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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark II!


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Auralius Carolus

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DrTsoni wrote...

Well, it's late here so I'm off for the night. Try not to poke at the troll too badly, I don't think they like it much :P

Anyway, see you all tomorrow!

Edit: Just before I go, to the above post, I played Arrival today. Pretty sure it's not the Alpha Relay, but it's still definitely not Sol.


Night Shepard Stalker!

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zigamortis wrote...

Meh im a 360 player Ace1028 if anyones interested.

Hold that thought. I hope to get this sorted out tomorrow. We might make a list in the indoc theorists group or something.

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DrTsoni wrote...

Well, it's late here so I'm off for the night. Try not to poke at the troll too badly, I don't think they like it much :P

Anyway, see you all tomorrow!

night. no promises about the troll though.

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zigamortis wrote...

DrTsoni wrote...

Well, it's late here so I'm off for the night. Try not to poke at the troll too badly, I don't think they like it much :P

Anyway, see you all tomorrow!

night. no promises about the troll though.


Is that thing out under the bridge again?

Dagnabit!

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I_eat_unicorns wrote...



Watch that link and argue against me. 

Believing in the IT theory at this point is just reaching. It's childish and pathetic, and the fact that you can't counter my arguments against the IT theory just show how pathetic it is and how pathetic the people who follow it are. 


What's pathetic is your reliance on ad hominem attacks, it's ok to disagree but you don't have to be a jerk about it.

And hello Theorists, how's things? There needs to be some sort of "Friends of IT" status around here, for those of us who are neither Literalists or Theorists.

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Auralius Carolus wrote...

zigamortis wrote...

DrTsoni wrote...

Well, it's late here so I'm off for the night. Try not to poke at the troll too badly, I don't think they like it much :P

Anyway, see you all tomorrow!

night. no promises about the troll though.


Is that thing out under the bridge again?

Dagnabit!







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Seriously though, who do you guys mean?

Don't go around calling people trolls just for anything.

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zigamortis

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lex0r11 wrote...

Auralius Carolus wrote...

zigamortis wrote...

DrTsoni wrote...

Well, it's late here so I'm off for the night. Try not to poke at the troll too badly, I don't think they like it much :P

Anyway, see you all tomorrow!

night. no promises about the troll though.


Is that thing out under the bridge again?

Dagnabit!







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Seriously though, who do you guys mean?

Don't go around calling people trolls just for anything.




Just read what the unicorn fellow keeps saying and you will see why he is a troll.

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While I'm not one to complain about Garrus-related spam, we're getting off-topic.

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leonia42 wrote...

I_eat_unicorns wrote...



Watch that link and argue against me. 

Believing in the IT theory at this point is just reaching. It's childish and pathetic, and the fact that you can't counter my arguments against the IT theory just show how pathetic it is and how pathetic the people who follow it are. 


What's pathetic is your reliance on ad hominem attacks, it's ok to disagree but you don't have to be a jerk about it.

And hello Theorists, how's things? There needs to be some sort of "Friends of IT" status around here, for those of us who are neither Literalists or Theorists.

Hey again. To be honest we weren't really dicussing much. And I'm going to bed anyway. Goodnight.Posted Image

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leonia42 wrote...

And hello Theorists, how's things? There needs to be some sort of "Friends of IT" status around here, for those of us who are neither Literalists or Theorists.


Read like 15-20 pages back - there was some interesting inspiring stuff. 

start here and read on 


http://social.biowar...x/12047832/1560 

Modifié par demersel, 05 juillet 2012 - 06:51 .


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I_eat_unicorns wrote...
What counter arguement? What did you conuter? And since when has the IT theory been an "interpretaion"? Fans of the IT theory always seemed to believe it was the intended true ending, but now that the ec dlc is out, it becomes an "interpretaion"? And you go on later in your post to say the IT theory has "evidence"? 

That "one guy" was an avid IT supporter, but after the ec dlc, he came to appreciate the work bioware has done. And you know what? I think you can't accept that the IT theory is wrong and can't appreciate the work Bioware has done.


I have seen more litteralist coming in here and claiming we state the IT as fact than I have seen IT people actually do that. In fact quite alot of IT people go out of the way to point out that it is only a theory when talking to litteralists. Off course we dont do this very much in this thread since everyone here is allready aware that it is a theory. We dont have to point that out to people who we have been talking to for 3 months.

In fact you are missing the biggest part here. It is called the "Indoctrination theory"  not the "ending" or "truth" or whatever you might think of, know it is called a theory allready in the title, but it is a theory with some very, very compelling arguments.

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Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...



I_eat_unicorns wrote...
What counter arguement? What did you conuter? And since when has the IT theory been an "interpretaion"? Fans of the IT theory always seemed to believe it was the intended true ending, but now that the ec dlc is out, it becomes an "interpretaion"? And you go on later in your post to say the IT theory has "evidence"? 

That "one guy" was an avid IT supporter, but after the ec dlc, he came to appreciate the work bioware has done. And you know what? I think you can't accept that the IT theory is wrong and can't appreciate the work Bioware has done.


I have seen more litteralist coming in here and claiming we state the IT as fact than I have seen IT people actually do that. In fact quite alot of IT people go out of the way to point out that it is only a theory when talking to litteralists. Off course we dont do this very much in this thread since everyone here is allready aware that it is a theory. We dont have to point that out to people who we have been talking to for 3 months.

In fact you are missing the biggest part here. It is called the "Indoctrination theory"  not the "ending" or "truth" or whatever you might think of, know it is called a theory allready in the title, but it is a theory with some very, very compelling arguments.

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leonia42 wrote...

I_eat_unicorns wrote...



Watch that link and argue against me. 

Believing in the IT theory at this point is just reaching. It's childish and pathetic, and the fact that you can't counter my arguments against the IT theory just show how pathetic it is and how pathetic the people who follow it are. 


What's pathetic is your reliance on ad hominem attacks, it's ok to disagree but you don't have to be a jerk about it.

And hello Theorists, how's things? There needs to be some sort of "Friends of IT" status around here, for those of us who are neither Literalists or Theorists.


We'll just let it be known that there those of us on the outside that are friends of the IT. I don't consider myself a theorist, I just like to stay up to date with what they are talking about because it is all very interesting. (I did join the group however, but that was merely for a better chance to keep up with IT.) So, I consider myself a friend of the theorist and will defend them against the literalists bc most of them are like i_eat_unicorns, jerks and have no business telling people to stop theorizing . And also, it's very possible that the IT could turn out to be true.

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Auralius Carolus

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BansheeOwnage wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...



I_eat_unicorns wrote...
What counter arguement? What did you conuter? And since when has the IT theory been an "interpretaion"? Fans of the IT theory always seemed to believe it was the intended true ending, but now that the ec dlc is out, it becomes an "interpretaion"? And you go on later in your post to say the IT theory has "evidence"? 

That "one guy" was an avid IT supporter, but after the ec dlc, he came to appreciate the work bioware has done. And you know what? I think you can't accept that the IT theory is wrong and can't appreciate the work Bioware has done.


I have seen more litteralist coming in here and claiming we state the IT as fact than I have seen IT people actually do that. In fact quite alot of IT people go out of the way to point out that it is only a theory when talking to litteralists. Off course we dont do this very much in this thread since everyone here is allready aware that it is a theory. We dont have to point that out to people who we have been talking to for 3 months.

In fact you are missing the biggest part here. It is called the "Indoctrination theory"  not the "ending" or "truth" or whatever you might think of, know it is called a theory allready in the title, but it is a theory with some very, very compelling arguments.

+ 1000000000


Yep. Rarely will you see me, for one, speak in absolutes about IT... or anything, for that matter.

Anyway, I'm calling it. 3AM has snuck up on me, and I still have a bath to take.

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Well i thoroughly think that the Indoctrination theory is true, however as most with most people i am inclined to keep it at theory until it is proven by bioware or disproven. But i wont insult someone just because i don't agree with them.

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demersel wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

demersel wrote...

I_eat_unicorns wrote..

Believing in the IT theory at this point is just reaching. It's childish and pathetic, and the fact that you can't counter my arguments against the IT theory just show how pathetic it is and how pathetic the people who follow it are. 


Telling total strangers on the internet what to do - that's childish and pathetic. Go do some homework. Read a book. 

OR give me 20 bucks and we'll talk about indoctrination theory in every litttle shamefull detail. I have a very hot voice. True story. 

I'd pay 20 bucks for Kelly Chambers to talk about IT with me Posted Image


Make it 30 and you can call me Kelly. 



Can we call ya Richard?

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I eat Unicorn did you also know that there is a script dlc about a ROGUE Reaper that is called the Leviathan that was comfiremed in ME1 but was not seen until now. So it makes you wonder if a Reaper can defect from it's creator even though the Catayst states that it Controls the Reapers. Then what is the point of Controling the Reapers if they can defect anytime they want.

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Oh and guys I play on the PC and my tag is

556948.

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masster blaster wrote...

I eat Unicorn did you also know that there is a script dlc about a ROGUE Reaper that is called the Leviathan that was comfiremed in ME1 but was not seen until now. So it makes you wonder if a Reaper can defect from it's creator even though the Catayst states that it Controls the Reapers. Then what is the point of Controling the Reapers if they can defect anytime they want.

Leviathan is not nessicaraly about the leviathan of dis. Leviathin is supposed to be its name. not the one given by us,

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So, the way I read it, according to some, this is it, make your choice, game over.
What we got?, three endings that basically make supporters of each happy, a fourth which comes across as a middle finger from Bioware....wait, where is the devastating ending, where's the consequence for making a crappy decision, come on Bioware, you were brave enough to slap the player with Morinth when they tried to get it on with her in ME2, what happened to your courage?.

Sorry folks, but if I'm to accept what the EC gave us as the definitive end to Shepard's story, then the paragraph I just wrote above is the only way I can see it.

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zigamortis wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

I eat Unicorn did you also know that there is a script dlc about a ROGUE Reaper that is called the Leviathan that was comfiremed in ME1 but was not seen until now. So it makes you wonder if a Reaper can defect from it's creator even though the Catayst states that it Controls the Reapers. Then what is the point of Controling the Reapers if they can defect anytime they want.

Leviathan is not nessicaraly about the leviathan of dis. Leviathin is supposed to be its name. not the one given by us,


Very true, but I thought the coding specified "leviathan of dis"? Either way it would make sense if they were connected.

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demersel wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

And hello Theorists, how's things? There needs to be some sort of "Friends of IT" status around here, for those of us who are neither Literalists or Theorists.


Read like 15-20 pages back - there was some interesting inspiring stuff. 

start here and read on 


http://social.biowar...x/12047832/1560 



Interesting analysis of Glyph and the Shadowbroker, would be interesting to see where that thought process leads us though I'm not so sure about the comparisons to WWII. While it is tempting to draw parallels, it can quickly side-track one's ability to see the bigger picture if they are trying too hard to conform a set of ideas to something so "familiar" as it were.

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DJBare wrote...

So, the way I read it, according to some, this is it, make your choice, game over.
What we got?, three endings that basically make supporters of each happy, a fourth which comes across as a middle finger from Bioware....wait, where is the devastating ending, where's the consequence for making a crappy decision, come on Bioware, you were brave enough to slap the player with Morinth when they tried to get it on with her in ME2, what happened to your courage?.

Sorry folks, but if I'm to accept what the EC gave us as the definitive end to Shepard's story, then the paragraph I just wrote above is the only way I can see it.


Tru dat!

A few weeks ago I had to describe to someone what's so special about the ending of ME3, I didn't find any words other than:
"It's SO bad that it might be intended that way!" *pokerface.jpg*.

They laughed.

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I_eat_unicorns wrote...



Watch that link and argue against me. 

Believing in the IT theory at this point is just reaching. It's childish and pathetic, and the fact that you can't counter my arguments against the IT theory just show how pathetic it is and how pathetic the people who follow it are. 


Quite why we're supposed to care about the opinions of people on youtube concerning the validity of IT, I have no idea.

Especially when they are apperently blinded by the new shiney shiney, and ignore the fact the endings still don't make literal sense, and there's still no proper closure.

Basically this isn't even evidence, its someone's opinion on a matter he apperently doesn't know too much about.  The EC debunks IT as much as an Atom Bomb debunks nuclear physics.

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DJBare wrote...

So, the way I read it, according to some, this is it, make your choice, game over.
What we got?, three endings that basically make supporters of each happy, a fourth which comes across as a middle finger from Bioware....wait, where is the devastating ending, where's the consequence for making a crappy decision, come on Bioware, you were brave enough to slap the player with Morinth when they tried to get it on with her in ME2, what happened to your courage?.

Sorry folks, but if I'm to accept what the EC gave us as the definitive end to Shepard's story, then the paragraph I just wrote above is the only way I can see it.


Essentially.  There's no consquence to choices now, apperently.  The EC has become even more a 'which happy ending do you want?' kind of deal - and correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't people have a screaming fit over the concept of 'happy endings' a few months back?

Funny how people's opinions change at the drop of a hat.

And how ironic it is that IT proposes that there is no happy ending (yet), and yet is reviled by the same people.

Go figure.

MaximizedAction wrote...

Tru dat!

A few weeks ago I had to describe to someone what's so special about the ending of ME3, I didn't find any words other than:
"It's SO bad that it might be intended that way!" *pokerface.jpg*.

They laughed.


This too.  I described my feelings about ME3 to someone who's never played it while on Mumble with my WoW guildmates.  He laughed and said something along the lines of "damn, I've never heard someone talk about something in such a passionate and painfully disappointed way."

Without IT, that's what we're left with.  Painful disappointment.

Modifié par Andromidius, 05 juillet 2012 - 09:24 .