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[CoolioThane]

Yeah, why are you here Unicorn?

[UltimateTobi]

Dealing with unicorn.

(No insult intended. Just a little joke. )

Modifié par UltimateTobi, 05 juillet 2012 - 09:57 .

[TJBartlemus]

 Check this BioWare employee out...

http://social.biowar...x/12980958&lf=8

The BioWare employee agrees that the Catalyst is lying...

"I agree.  It's why I picked Destroy.  The fact that I could reconcile the Geth and Quarians was all the proof I needed that the Catalyst's assertions were false." - Allen Schumancher

Modifié par TJBartlemus, 05 juillet 2012 - 09:59 .

[niravital]

I_eat_unicorns wrote...

I have a question about the prothean VI. Wouldn't that alone debunk the whole IT even without the ec dlc? I feel that the only reason theorists could ignore this was because of all the other loopholes. Now that many of them have been addressed, dismissing the VI is absurd.

Also I feel that currently believing that the writers of ME3 after the release of the EC DLC is exactly equal to believing that the thing in the box at the end of 'Seven ' was a ham sandwich, or that Obi Wan Kenobi was meant to be Luke Skywalker come back from the future to guide himself. 

You can believe anything you want if that's how you derive entertainment, and there's nothing wrong with it. But if there can be a "truth" about the structure of a fictional work it is that that which the author intended is the actuality. ME's writers do not intend IT to be the valid end. And avoiding that is insulting to Bioware's credibility. 

Okey.

I've been patient for quite some time, but come on.
YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT BIOWARE WRITERS INTENDED. Stop pretending that you do. It's annoying.
And no. We don't either. That's why we are speculating.
Can't you see that what we're doing is EXACTLY the opposite of insulting the writers? We give them SO MUCH credit that we look at every little insignificant thing that they wrote and try to guess what they meant because we believe it has some greater meaning.

Don't be pretencious. Don't speak for BW's behalf. Just... don't.



P.S. Many of the loopholes have been addressed? No. Not anything of significance, really.

[Priss Blackburne]

He's trying to tell us Deckard from Blade runner is not a replicant and to think otherwise is an insult to Ridley scott ... oh wait Ridley said he invisioned Deckard to be a replicant. Nevermind bad comparison I guess.

[HellishFiend]

Doesnt it fall under the definition of clutching at straws to keep looking for things that "debunk the whole IT" even though BW has specifically stated that the ending is open to interpretation? Sheer hypocrisy to accuse someone of it and then turn around and do it themselves.

[niravital]

I_eat_unicorns wrote...

 

What do you guys think of that?

Oh, there's one guy on Youtube who feels the EC debunks IT.
Then he must be right!

He rushed this video out, if he took some more time to explore, I believe he wouldn't have said that, he is intelligent.

[SubAstris]

Priss Blackburne wrote...

He's trying to tell us Deckard from Blade runner is not a replicant and to think otherwise is an insult to Ridley scott ... oh wait Ridley said he invisioned Deckard to be a replicant. Nevermind bad comparison I guess.

That's perhaps explains some of Harrison Ford's acting. There seems to have been a disconnect, because Ford always maintains that Deckard is a human, and in fact the whole story in my opinion works better and is more profound if he is right

[Nightingale]

HellishFiend wrote...

Doesnt it fall under the definition of clutching at straws to keep looking for things that "debunk the whole IT" even though BW has specifically stated that the ending is open to interpretation? Sheer hypocrisy to accuse someone of it and then turn around and do it themselves.

I tried making that point yesterday. Logic doesn't seem to work with this one, it seems to be completely ignored in favor of calling us childish and pathetic (which I also disputed...and was disregarded).

[iggy1eco]

I don't know if this was already talked about here but did Harbinger say "One of Us" when he launches the beam? Just asking.

Check min 2:12 at this link

Modifié par iggy1eco, 05 juillet 2012 - 10:14 .

[Priss Blackburne]

The original plan for Bioware was for Shepard to be fighting indoctrination at the end. But ultimately felt having the player lose control at the end didn't work. So to say the Writers never intended IT is wrong since they orginaly wanted this for the ending.

Damn wish I could reemeber the name of the documentry..ah Final Hours

And even in November the gameplay team was still experimenting with an endgame sequence where players would suddenly lose control of Shepard's movement and fall under full reaper control. (This sequence was dropped because the gaemplay mechanic proved too troublesome to implement alongside dialogue choices).

Notice they said the sequence not the idea...interesting

Modifié par Priss Blackburne, 05 juillet 2012 - 10:15 .

[BleedingUranium]

SubAstris wrote...

Priss Blackburne wrote...

He's trying to tell us Deckard from Blade runner is not a replicant and to think otherwise is an insult to Ridley scott ... oh wait Ridley said he invisioned Deckard to be a replicant. Nevermind bad comparison I guess.

That's perhaps explains some of Harrison Ford's acting. There seems to have been a disconnect, because Ford always maintains that Deckard is a human, and in fact the whole story in my opinion works better and is more profound if he is right

Not sure what you're getting at, but that's about as important as if Mark Meer or Jennifer Hale said that they don't believe IT, and think of the endings as literal. Doesn't matter what they think on the matter, it's the BW writers that decide that kinda stuff.

[zigamortis]

@Iggy1eco i think it says serve us but it is in other places in the game so it might just be nothing. And i have never watched bladerunner is that bad?

[Nightingale]

iggy1eco wrote...

I don't know if this was already talked about here but did Harbinger say "One of Us" when he launches the beam? Just asking.

It's been discussed, we can't seem to come to a consensus on what exactly it is that's said, though. Most people hear "Serve Us" while others hear that or "Save Us."

Edit: Ninja'd.

Modifié par DrTsoni, 05 juillet 2012 - 10:16 .

[UltimateTobi]

Priss Blackburne wrote...

The original plan for Bioware was for Shepard to be fighting indoctrination at the end. But ultimately felt having the player lose control at the end didn't work. So to say the Writers never intended IT is wrong since they orginaly wanted this for the ending.

Damn wish I could reemeber the name of the documentry..ah Final Hours

And even in November the gameplay team was still experimenting with an endgame sequence where players would suddenly lose control of Shepard's movement and fall under full reaper control. (This sequence was dropped because the gaemplay mechanic proved too troublesome to implement alongside dialogue choices).

Notice they said the sequence not the idea...interesting

... So they thought about another way of indoctrinating Shepard/the player.

[zigamortis]

Priss Blackburne wrote...

The original plan for Bioware was for Shepard to be fighting indoctrination at the end. But ultimately felt having the player lose control at the end didn't work. So to say the Writers never intended IT is wrong since they orginaly wanted this for the ending.

Damn wish I could reemeber the name of the documentry..ah Final Hours

And even in November the gameplay team was still experimenting with an endgame sequence where players would suddenly lose control of Shepard's movement and fall under full reaper control. (This sequence was dropped because the gaemplay mechanic proved too troublesome to implement alongside dialogue choices).

However it is still quite possible that they still went with indoctrination and just made it more decietful than outright loss of control. so in a sense that could be supporting the IT.

[BleedingUranium]

iggy1eco wrote...

I don't know if this was already talked about here but did Harbinger say "One of Us" when he launches the beam? Just asking.

Check min 2:12 at this link

The only part everyone agrees on is "Us". "Serve Us" and "Save Us" are the ones I remember being mentioned, but I'm sure there were more.

Double 'd

Modifié par BleedingUranium, 05 juillet 2012 - 10:17 .

[SubAstris]

BleedingUranium wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

Priss Blackburne wrote...

He's trying to tell us Deckard from Blade runner is not a replicant and to think otherwise is an insult to Ridley scott ... oh wait Ridley said he invisioned Deckard to be a replicant. Nevermind bad comparison I guess.

That's perhaps explains some of Harrison Ford's acting. There seems to have been a disconnect, because Ford always maintains that Deckard is a human, and in fact the whole story in my opinion works better and is more profound if he is right

Not sure what you're getting at, but that's about as important as if Mark Meer or Jennifer Hale said that they don't believe IT, and think of the endings as literal. Doesn't matter what they think on the matter, it's the BW writers that decide that kinda stuff.

I think it could create a disconnect between the artistic visions of actors and writers

[paxxton]

I hear "Save us." But I don't know what it means.

Modifié par paxxton, 05 juillet 2012 - 10:19 .

[UltimateTobi]

BleedingUranium wrote...

iggy1eco wrote...

I don't know if this was already talked about here but did Harbinger say "One of Us" when he launches the beam? Just asking.

Check min 2:12 at this link

The only part everyone agrees on is "Us". "Serve Us" and "Save Us" are the ones I remember being mentioned, but I'm sure there were more.

Double 'd

"One of us!" and "Help us!" were heard too. I, for myself, hear "Serve us!" though. Not entirely, but for me I make out "--rvE 'sss!". Like the "Se-" is implied and the "u" is cut out, but a little noticably.

Modifié par UltimateTobi, 05 juillet 2012 - 10:19 .

[BleedingUranium]

SubAstris wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

Priss Blackburne wrote...

He's trying to tell us Deckard from Blade runner is not a replicant and to think otherwise is an insult to Ridley scott ... oh wait Ridley said he invisioned Deckard to be a replicant. Nevermind bad comparison I guess.

That's perhaps explains some of Harrison Ford's acting. There seems to have been a disconnect, because Ford always maintains that Deckard is a human, and in fact the whole story in my opinion works better and is more profound if he is right

Not sure what you're getting at, but that's about as important as if Mark Meer or Jennifer Hale said that they don't believe IT, and think of the endings as literal. Doesn't matter what they think on the matter, it's the BW writers that decide that kinda stuff.

I think it could create a disconnect between the artistic visions of actors and writers

Sure, makes sense, but I'm not sure where you're going with this.

[iggy1eco]

DrTsoni wrote...

iggy1eco wrote...

I don't know if this was already talked about here but did Harbinger say "One of Us" when he launches the beam? Just asking.

It's been discussed, we can't seem to come to a consensus on what exactly it is that's said, though. Most people hear "Serve Us" while others hear that or "Save Us."

Edit: Ninja'd.

Oh alright, seems to be "Reaper gibberish" then and one more "mystery" lol. I won't re-ignite this again if it has been discussed. Thanks everyone for anwering

Modifié par iggy1eco, 05 juillet 2012 - 10:20 .

[Simon_Says]

Because I'm a self-aggrandizing bastard I'd like to plug something. Love to hear your input on it.

[paxxton]

iggy1eco wrote...

DrTsoni wrote...

iggy1eco wrote...

I don't know if this was already talked about here but did Harbinger say "One of Us" when he launches the beam? Just asking.

It's been discussed, we can't seem to come to a consensus on what exactly it is that's said, though. Most people hear "Serve Us" while others hear that or "Save Us."

Edit: Ninja'd.

Oh alright, seems to be "Reaper gibberish" then and one more "mystery" lol. I won't re-ignite this again if it has been discussed. Thanks everyone for anwering

Not quite. It can mean that they are emitting voice-like sounds to terrify people. Maybe it's a form of indoctrination when people hear it.

[agmrpink]

agmrpink wrote...

This may be old hat, but I haven't had a chance to post until now, so forgive my tardiness.

With respect to Infiltrator Glyph, would EDI have been able to detect some fishy goings on from his end? I'd like to think so, since she seemed to be aware of everything else aboard the Normandy.

That leads me to assume that:
a) He's a friendly
Super, ridiculously, unbelievably sneaky
c) EDI's a devilbot

Bump for peace-time disccussion