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[Priss Blackburne]

BleedingUranium wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

Priss Blackburne wrote...

He's trying to tell us Deckard from Blade runner is not a replicant and to think otherwise is an insult to Ridley scott ... oh wait Ridley said he invisioned Deckard to be a replicant. Nevermind bad comparison I guess.

That's perhaps explains some of Harrison Ford's acting. There seems to have been a disconnect, because Ford always maintains that Deckard is a human, and in fact the whole story in my opinion works better and is more profound if he is right

Not sure what you're getting at, but that's about as important as if Mark Meer or Jennifer Hale said that they don't believe IT, and think of the endings as literal. Doesn't matter what they think on the matter, it's the BW writers that decide that kinda stuff.

I think it could create a disconnect between the artistic visions of actors and writers

Sure, makes sense, but I'm not sure where you're going with this.

Was just trying to make a comparison about different interpretations and that what is literal in the media may not be the complete intention of the media. that something that is subtly implied could be correct as well, even if it is not confirmed within the media itself.

trying to sound smart is it working?

[comrade gando]

Well why would harbinger suddenly be like save us if be's been pretty set on dominating shep the entire last game? Look they even had harbinger's voice actir in studio... Why. Ot give him any lines for harbinger? It doesnt make any sense!

[paxxton]

comrade gando wrote...

Well why would harbinger suddenly be like save us if be's been pretty set on dominating shep the entire last game? Look they even had harbinger's voice actir in studio... Why. Ot give him any lines for harbinger? It doesnt make any sense!

The Reapers shout "Save us" and people think they need help so they run towards them like in Vancouver. Simple!

[Iucounou]

Sounded more like "Follow us" to me.

[niravital]

Simon_Says wrote...

Because I'm a self-aggrandizing bastard I'd like to plug something. Love to hear your input on it.

Hey I had a joke about Reapers being indoctrinated... once ("Tangled flashback")
But I guess I'm not the only one

I've read it when you wrote it a few pages back and already told you it was beautiful.
The idea is brilliant.

I will read thoroughly and let you know if I have some good inputs.

[smokingotter1]

Simon_Says wrote...

Because I'm a self-aggrandizing bastard I'd like to plug something. Love to hear your input on it.

Was that my joke you were referring to? :happy:

[niravital]

niravital wrote...

Simon_Says wrote...

Because I'm a self-aggrandizing bastard I'd like to plug something. Love to hear your input on it.

Hey I had a joke about Reapers being indoctrinated... once ("Tangled flashback")
But I guess I'm not the only one

I've read it when you wrote it a few pages back and already told you it was beautiful.
The idea is brilliant.

I will read thoroughly and let you know if I have some good inputs.

The post is really long.
Not that it's a bad thing, but I think you can benefit from writing the bulletpoints of the ideas you gathered at the top.
Then anybody can read the general ideas and see if it's interesting him.

for example:

1. what is indoctrination?
2. Many indoctrinated people get processed into a reaper form, so you have to get them indoctrinated to collaborate.
3. reaper "mind" and indoctrinated organic mind are the same.
4. Thus, Reapers ARE indoctrinated.
5. The idea exist within the Geth, which are super-AI in a sense.

Of course you'll do it better then I did (just for the sake of example), but I think it'll be better organized and even let you collect your thoughts better.

[HellishFiend]

niravital wrote...
1. what is indoctrination?
2. Many indoctrinated people get processed into a reaper form, so you have to get them indoctrinated to collaborate.
3. reaper "mind" and indoctrinated organic mind are the same.
4. Thus, Reapers ARE indoctrinated.
5. The idea exist within the Geth, which are super-AI in a sense.

In that example though we know 2 doesnt necessarily lead to 4, because shiala and the zhu's hope colonists were resistant to indocrination because their minds were linked. Not saying that disproves that idea outright, though. 

Modifié par HellishFiend, 05 juillet 2012 - 11:00 .

[niravital]

HellishFiend wrote...

niravital wrote...
1. what is indoctrination?
2. Many indoctrinated people get processed into a reaper form, so you have to get them indoctrinated to collaborate.
3. reaper "mind" and indoctrinated organic mind are the same.
4. Thus, Reapers ARE indoctrinated.
5. The idea exist within the Geth, which are super-AI in a sense.

In that example though we know 2 doesnt necessarily lead to 4, because shiala and the zhu's hope colonists were resistant to indocrination because their minds were linked. Not saying that disproves that idea outright, though. 

It's just an example, you should read the ideas directly in the post.
I didn't intend to summorize or anything, just suggest to add this kind of bullet-points.

[smokingotter1]

HellishFiend wrote...

niravital wrote...
1. what is indoctrination?
2. Many indoctrinated people get processed into a reaper form, so you have to get them indoctrinated to collaborate.
3. reaper "mind" and indoctrinated organic mind are the same.
4. Thus, Reapers ARE indoctrinated.
5. The idea exist within the Geth, which are super-AI in a sense.

In that example though we know 2 doesnt necessarily lead to 4, because shiala and the zhu's hope colonists were resistant to indocrination because their minds were linked. Not saying that disproves that idea outright, though. 

Yeah but there has to be some kind of control. You saw how reapers are made. If you and your entire civilization was turned into goo, pumped into a machine would your collective minds go with it and inflict the same horrors on other civilizations?

There has to be some kind of control. If not it just means the current reapers come from bitter civilizations that want to inflict the same pain they had to go through. "We got turned into reapers, because of that we're going to turn you into reapers."

[paxxton]

agmrpink wrote...

agmrpink wrote...

This may be old hat, but I haven't had a chance to post until now, so forgive my tardiness.

With respect to Infiltrator Glyph, would EDI have been able to detect some fishy goings on from his end? I'd like to think so, since she seemed to be aware of everything else aboard the Normandy.

That leads me to assume that:
a) He's a friendly
Super, ridiculously, unbelievably sneaky
c) EDI's a devilbot

Bump for peace-time disccussion

Also, I saw a comic in which the Shadow Broker talked to Harbinger. That connection might have resulted in him being indoctrinated and modifying Glyph.

[HellishFiend]

smokingotter1 wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

niravital wrote...
1. what is indoctrination?
2. Many indoctrinated people get processed into a reaper form, so you have to get them indoctrinated to collaborate.
3. reaper "mind" and indoctrinated organic mind are the same.
4. Thus, Reapers ARE indoctrinated.
5. The idea exist within the Geth, which are super-AI in a sense.

In that example though we know 2 doesnt necessarily lead to 4, because shiala and the zhu's hope colonists were resistant to indocrination because their minds were linked. Not saying that disproves that idea outright, though. 

Yeah but there has to be some kind of control. You saw how reapers are made. If you and your entire civilization was turned into goo, pumped into a machine would your collective minds go with it and inflict the same horrors on other civilizations?

There has to be some kind of control. If not it just means the current reapers come from bitter civilizations that want to inflict the same pain they had to go through. "We got turned into reapers, because of that we're going to turn you into reapers."

Oh I agree, I do feel there has to be some kind of consensus to ensure unified action, forced or otherwise. I'm just pointing out the Zhu's hope example of how indoctrination is affected by a collective group of independent minds. 

Modifié par HellishFiend, 05 juillet 2012 - 11:09 .

[Vaya]

SubAstris wrote...

Priss Blackburne wrote...

He's trying to tell us Deckard from Blade runner is not a replicant and to think otherwise is an insult to Ridley scott ... oh wait Ridley said he invisioned Deckard to be a replicant. Nevermind bad comparison I guess.

That's perhaps explains some of Harrison Ford's acting. There seems to have been a disconnect, because Ford always maintains that Deckard is a human, and in fact the whole story in my opinion works better and is more profound if he is right

You have to watch the director's cut for it to be clear, but all of Edward James Olmos' origami animals were his way of letting Dekard know "I know what you see in your dreams, becuase I've read your source code". In the director's cut, it's not really in question. Which is why it wasn't in the release ...

[agmrpink]

HellishFiend wrote...

smokingotter1 wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

niravital wrote...
1. what is indoctrination?
2. Many indoctrinated people get processed into a reaper form, so you have to get them indoctrinated to collaborate.
3. reaper "mind" and indoctrinated organic mind are the same.
4. Thus, Reapers ARE indoctrinated.
5. The idea exist within the Geth, which are super-AI in a sense.

In that example though we know 2 doesnt necessarily lead to 4, because shiala and the zhu's hope colonists were resistant to indocrination because their minds were linked. Not saying that disproves that idea outright, though. 

Yeah but there has to be some kind of control. You saw how reapers are made. If you and your entire civilization was turned into goo, pumped into a machine would your collective minds go with it and inflict the same horrors on other civilizations?

There has to be some kind of control. If not it just means the current reapers come from bitter civilizations that want to inflict the same pain they had to go through. "We got turned into reapers, because of that we're going to turn you into reapers."

Oh I agree, I do feel there has to be some kind of consensus to ensure unified action, forced or otherwise. I'm just pointing out the Zhu's hope example of how indoctrination is affected by a collective group of independent minds. 

Additionally, using Saren as an example: if he was able to break free from this hive-mind indoctrination, that would still indicate a master-slave relationship with a one way dependency. If once assimlated and all are equal, one would have to ask why a single "unit" would want to escape.

[Vaya]

SubAstris wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

Priss Blackburne wrote...

He's trying to tell us Deckard from Blade runner is not a replicant and to think otherwise is an insult to Ridley scott ... oh wait Ridley said he invisioned Deckard to be a replicant. Nevermind bad comparison I guess.

That's perhaps explains some of Harrison Ford's acting. There seems to have been a disconnect, because Ford always maintains that Deckard is a human, and in fact the whole story in my opinion works better and is more profound if he is right

Not sure what you're getting at, but that's about as important as if Mark Meer or Jennifer Hale said that they don't believe IT, and think of the endings as literal. Doesn't matter what they think on the matter, it's the BW writers that decide that kinda stuff.

I think it could create a disconnect between the artistic visions of actors and writers

Actually, one of the underlying themes of Blade Runner is "What makes us human?" The difference between a replicant and a human is only in ability, that a replicant is human in all the ways that matter. Telling Ford that he was anything other than human would be counterproductive. He is supposed to fully believe he is human.

Added: Mind you, that's not the first time Scott "indoctrinated" his actors. Supposedly the scene in Alien with the chest burster, none of the other actors on the set knew it was anything other than a dinner conversation scene till after the blood packs were exploding. He got some great reaction shots, and nearly lost his cast.

Modifié par Vaya, 05 juillet 2012 - 11:35 .

[monrapias]

"Come out to the BioWare Base to meet members of the ME3 team, the VO actors for Kaidan and Ashley and play the upcoming ME3 MP DLC. Check out our full schedule on the Blog. We'll see you there!
"
so there will be a new dlc, but it's mp.......

[TJBartlemus]

monrapias wrote...

"Come out to the BioWare Base to meet members of the ME3 team, the VO actors for Kaidan and Ashley and play the upcoming ME3 MP DLC. Check out our full schedule on the Blog. We'll see you there!
"
so there will be a new dlc, but it's mp.......

There was a leak for MP DLC. And that was before the Leviathan leak. So it seems likely that the leaks will be coinciding with the release of DLC's. Thus mp first then the Leviathan later.

[TSA_383]

byne wrote...

Its way too damned hot here.

Feels like 105°F? Ugh.

Anyhow, have I missed anything interesting?

Wanna swap?

Priss Blackburne wrote...

I would buy a "IT" Dlc .. and
while downloading I would hug my Mass effect 3 collectors edition box,
smiling a creepy smile the whole time, murmuring "Shepard, Wrex,
Shepard.." ... yeah sad things is I probably would be that creepily
happy.

It's okay, totally understandable...
*backs away slowly...*

Priss Blackburne wrote...

The original plan for Bioware
was for Shepard to be fighting indoctrination at the end. But ultimately
felt having the player lose control at the end didn't work. So to say
the Writers never intended IT is wrong since they orginaly wanted this
for the ending.

Damn wish I could reemeber the name of the documentry..ah Final Hours

And
even in November the gameplay team was still experimenting with an
endgame sequence where players would suddenly lose control of Shepard's
movement and fall under full reaper control. (This sequence was dropped
because the gaemplay mechanic proved too troublesome to implement
alongside dialogue choices).

Notice they said the sequence not the idea...interesting

In one of the early leaks I have, there's a note on one of the TIM sequence files that says (player could use left analogue stick to struggle?) Then some other notes saying things like "need to discuss"

Which is interesting, because as a mechanic that would suck

[paxxton]

monrapias wrote...

"Come out to the BioWare Base to meet members of the ME3 team, the VO actors for Kaidan and Ashley and play the upcoming ME3 MP DLC. Check out our full schedule on the Blog. We'll see you there!
"
so there will be a new dlc, but it's mp.......

If MP for ME3 was developed by another team, does that mean MP DLCs are also developed by them? So the SP team should be working on SP DLCs.

[zigamortis]

Whats that from monrapias?

[niravital]

This just occurred to me.

In the final conversation with TIM and Anderson, there's this:

TIM: "If we can control it, why shouldn't it be ours?"
Shep: "Because... we're not ready"

Then, with the catalyst, when he talks about why he failed before with synthesis:
"Because the organics were not ready... ... ... You, are ready".

So now that the catalyst said it, Shep is convinced... how convenient.





PS: When he said "We have tried... a similar solution in the past", could he be referring to Saren?
Any way it seems to be very speculative

[paxxton]

zigamortis wrote...

Whats that from monrapias?

It's from BioWare's SDCC schedule posted on their blog.

[zigamortis]

paxxton wrote...

zigamortis wrote...

Whats that from monrapias?

It's from BioWare's SDCC schedule posted on their blog.

Oic.

[smokingotter1]

niravital wrote...

This just occurred to me.

In the final conversation with TIM and Anderson, there's this:

TIM: "If we can control it, why shouldn't it be ours?"
Shep: "Because... we're not ready"

Then, with the catalyst, when he talks about why he failed before with synthesis:
"Because the organics were not ready... ... ... You, are ready".

So now that the catalyst said it, Shep is convinced... how convenient.





PS: When he said "We have tried... a similar solution in the past", could he be referring to Saren?
Any way it seems to be very speculative

I laughed so hard when Shepard asked Starchild-

Shepard: "- but I can control them?"
Starchild ".....Yes"

Then when I saw the "control" ending on youtube: 
Starchild: "Yes you can control us, but first you have to handle these controls with obviously deadly electrical currents flowing through them... or another way you can control is over there, see that metal fork laying next to that toaster..."

Modifié par smokingotter1, 05 juillet 2012 - 11:33 .

[niravital]

niravital wrote...

This just occurred to me.

In the final conversation with TIM and Anderson, there's this:

TIM: "If we can control it, why shouldn't it be ours?"
Shep: "Because... we're not ready"

Then, with the catalyst, when he talks about why he failed before with synthesis:
"Because the organics were not ready... ... ... You, are ready".

So now that the catalyst said it, Shep is convinced... how convenient.





PS: When he said "We have tried... a similar solution in the past", could he be referring to Saren?
Any way it seems to be very speculative

Also, from the final TIM Anderson dialogue:
Shep: "If we destroy the Reapers, this ends today! But if you can't control them..."
TIM: "But I can!"
Shep: "Are you willing to bet humanity's existence on it?"

>>Later>>

Shep: "So... the Illusive man was right after all..."
Catalyst: "Yes, but he could never have taken control..."
Shep: "But I can?"
Catalyst: "You will die. you will control us, but yada yada yada..."

Again, this Shep is easily convinced... Maybe he just wants to die...

EDIT: ninja'd by my own post 

Modifié par niravital, 05 juillet 2012 - 11:39 .