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[Auralius Carolus]

jgibson14352 wrote...

Auralius Carolus wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

So, someone mind giving me a reader's digest of what I've been missing lately?

I don't know, I just came in myself.

However, the VI Glyph has been brought into suspicion.

which, lets be honest, thats a really, really far stretch, even if its plausible, its like saying that the reapers are actually trying to prepare for their war with the super reaper, which is actually the citadel.

Say what? No, it would just mean that they've carefully laid traps for organics. And while there is limited evidence about Glyph, period, it is known that the unit is old and responsible for certain designs behind the Shadow Broker. Let us not forget that the Shadow Broker was responsible for attempting to send Shepards body to the Collectors, (and possibly more) and that the Reapers prefer to engineer their pawns demises, personally.

This notion would be reinforced by the belief that the Crucible is actually a trap, in and of itself.

[jgibson14352]

davishepard wrote...

Vaya wrote...

1- The nonsensical Normandy rescue mission to remove the squadmates from Earth, despite more reasonable ways to fix that plot hole,
2- Adding an unclear "reaper voice" to Harbinger right before he hits you with his beam.
3- Unmasking a dead Coats on the citadel.
4- Adding a bizzare electrical/mechanical noise to wake up Shepard on the citadel.
5- Not fixing any of the clues/mistakes that were there before.

Is "beneath the heavens" just a claim for devil's advocacy?

1. Joker followed Shepard's order, there's no nonsense in this.
2. Irrelevant.
3. Also irrelevant.
4. Still irrelevant.
5. They fixed what needed to be fixed. Whatever left is not important, and only is noticed by people wanting grasping at straws, I mean, believing in IT.

so if you cant explain it its irrelavent.
1.why didnt harbinger shoot the normandy?
2.how is that irrelavent?
3. they could have used ANY character model, but they CHOSE coats
4. this is the MOST relevant of the citadel scenes, by far
5.no, they didnt. almost everything STILL makes no sense,a nd is explained in full using IT

[MilitanT07]

davishepard wrote...

Vaya wrote...

1- The nonsensical Normandy rescue mission to remove the squadmates from Earth, despite more reasonable ways to fix that plot hole,
2- Adding an unclear "reaper voice" to Harbinger right before he hits you with his beam.
3- Unmasking a dead Coats on the citadel.
4- Adding a bizzare electrical/mechanical noise to wake up Shepard on the citadel.
5- Not fixing any of the clues/mistakes that were there before.

Is "beneath the heavens" just a claim for devil's advocacy?

1. Joker followed Shepard's order, there's no nonsense in this.
2. Irrelevant.
3. Also irrelevant.
4. Still irrelevant.
5. They fixed what needed to be fixed. Whatever left is not important, and only is noticed by people wanting to grasp at straws, I mean, believing in IT.

Did you suffer a recent blow to the head?

This thread is for IT believers, I don't think anyone would like to waste his time arguing with you.

Don't like IT, show yourself the door.

[Vaya]

davishepard wrote...

Vaya wrote...

1- The nonsensical Normandy rescue mission to remove the squadmates from Earth, despite more reasonable ways to fix that plot hole,
2- Adding an unclear "reaper voice" to Harbinger right before he hits you with his beam.
3- Unmasking a dead Coats on the citadel.
4- Adding a bizzare electrical/mechanical noise to wake up Shepard on the citadel.
5- Not fixing any of the clues/mistakes that were there before.

Is "beneath the heavens" just a claim for devil's advocacy?

1. Joker followed Shepard's order, there's no nonsense in this.
2. Irrelevant.
3. Also irrelevant.
4. Still irrelevant.
5. They fixed what needed to be fixed. Whatever left is not important, and only is noticed by people wanting to grasp at straws, I mean, believing in IT.

I came here for an arguement and all I got was a contradiction, I want my money back

[BleedingUranium]

davishepard wrote...

Vaya wrote...

1- The nonsensical Normandy rescue mission to remove the squadmates from Earth, despite more reasonable ways to fix that plot hole,
2- Adding an unclear "reaper voice" to Harbinger right before he hits you with his beam.
3- Unmasking a dead Coats on the citadel.
4- Adding a bizzare electrical/mechanical noise to wake up Shepard on the citadel.
5- Not fixing any of the clues/mistakes that were there before.

Is "beneath the heavens" just a claim for devil's advocacy?

1. Joker followed Shepard's order, there's no nonsense in this.
2. Irrelevant.
3. Also irrelevant.
4. Still irrelevant.
5. They fixed what needed to be fixed. Whatever left is not important, and only is noticed by people wanting to grasp at straws, I mean, believing in IT.

...WHAT?!? [/Simmons]

The nonsense is that Shep, nor anyone else, would ever give such an order, and the whole scene has them hovering under Harby, and he does nothing. They make a big point of this as the Normandy's leaving.

Coats is actually very important if you put any thought into it at all. Coats was clearly not in the final beam run based on his dialogue after Shep comes to, right before Marauder Shields. He therefore could not have gotten to the Citadel, and even if that were possible, how did he die? There are no Reaper forces on the Citadel, not even dead ones. And on top of all that, he's always seen in the very first shot of the slideshow, in the front, and is also seen alive in the Synthesis ending.

Modifié par BleedingUranium, 06 juillet 2012 - 12:41 .

[Arian Dynas]

davishepard wrote...

Vaya wrote...

1- The nonsensical Normandy rescue mission to remove the squadmates from Earth, despite more reasonable ways to fix that plot hole,
2- Adding an unclear "reaper voice" to Harbinger right before he hits you with his beam.
3- Unmasking a dead Coats on the citadel.
4- Adding a bizzare electrical/mechanical noise to wake up Shepard on the citadel.
5- Not fixing any of the clues/mistakes that were there before.

Is "beneath the heavens" just a claim for devil's advocacy?

1. Joker followed Shepard's order, there's no nonsense in this.
2. Irrelevant.
3. Also irrelevant.
4. Still irrelevant.
5. They fixed what needed to be fixed. Whatever left is not important, and only is noticed by people wanting grasping at straws, I mean, believing in IT.

...

You really are an idiot!

Modifié par Arian Dynas, 06 juillet 2012 - 12:41 .

[davishepard]

I came here to see what is the current state of denial of you guys, and is still strong. =)

[BleedingUranium]

davishepard wrote...

I came here to see what is the current state of denial of you guys, and is still strong. =)

We're rationally looking at evidence, and you're saying stuff is irrelevant because why?

[niravital]

BleedingUranium wrote...
True, it solves those, but it then creates more like:

-You're in a war, on the last push, everyone's willing to die to accomplish the mission, someone gets injured and... you call for evac? When dozens of other soldiers around you are getting mowed down? No, it's just soooo wrong

-The Normandy hovers in front of Harbinger for a good couple minutes, and Harby does nothing. They even make it very obvious by having the scene where the Normandy's climbing away right in front of Harby's face, and he watches it leave, not doing anything.

-Harby also stops lasing anything at all while the Normandy's there, and resumes as soon as it leaves.


Also the relay's don't explode, which means all the star systems don't get vaporized, but they still break, so yes, still starving to death

I agree, it doesn't make sense - but this is Shepards behaviour? why stop and call evac? No indoctrination there.
The squaddies leaving - couldn't agree more, they should have stayed till the end. But still, this is prior to Shepard being hit by the laser and entering the "spirit world".
The other point is very good - Harbi might not kill the entire Shepard's squad because then you really can't convince Shepard to agree with anything other than destroy. It's to keep his hope that he can save his team-mates, hence the "I need to know that someone will make it out alive" line.


Yep but they could fix it "without difficulty", and we are shown a bright happy future of all species (the ones we didn't kill) leaving and developing.

[jgibson14352]

davishepard wrote...

I came here to see what is the current state of denial of you guys, and is still strong. =)

you seriously just wasted your own time to say, hey, youre wrong, all of your points are irrelavent, and im not going to argue any of these points or acknowledge when ive been outright proven wrong, then im going to insult you and leave.

...why?

[babachewie]

davishepard wrote...

I came here to see what is the current state of denial of you guys, and is still strong. =)

Its going strong. Where is shepards birth certificate?!?

[jgibson14352]

an interesting thought i just had, if the walking nightmare is correct, wouldnt be interesting if, when the final choice comes and if shepard were to choose synthesis, he actually jumps into the beam on earth to have everything that he is sent up to become a reaper? then sent out to continue the cycle?

Modifié par jgibson14352, 06 juillet 2012 - 12:47 .

[Auralius Carolus]

babachewie wrote...

davishepard wrote...

I came here to see what is the current state of denial of you guys, and is still strong. =)

Its going strong. Where is shepards birth certificate?!?

The real one! We can see the photoshop artifacts on that last one you provided!

[davishepard]

BleedingUranium wrote...

davishepard wrote...

I came here to see what is the current state of denial of you guys, and is still strong. =)

We're rationally looking at evidence, and you're saying stuff is irrelevant because why?

Because you don't just look, you search for what fits the better you theory created to deny the reality of the endings made by Bioware. 
Because every IT believer I saw stated that EC would show Shepard waking up from the indocrination attempt, and after the EC didn't showed this - at all -, you still insist in denying the reality of the endings.

[BleedingUranium]

niravital wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...
True, it solves those, but it then creates more like:

-You're in a war, on the last push, everyone's willing to die to accomplish the mission, someone gets injured and... you call for evac? When dozens of other soldiers around you are getting mowed down? No, it's just soooo wrong

-The Normandy hovers in front of Harbinger for a good couple minutes, and Harby does nothing. They even make it very obvious by having the scene where the Normandy's climbing away right in front of Harby's face, and he watches it leave, not doing anything.

-Harby also stops lasing anything at all while the Normandy's there, and resumes as soon as it leaves.


Also the relay's don't explode, which means all the star systems don't get vaporized, but they still break, so yes, still starving to death

I agree, it doesn't make sense - but this is Shepards behaviour? why stop and call evac? No indoctrination there.
The squaddies leaving - couldn't agree more, they should have stayed till the end. But still, this is prior to Shepard being hit by the laser and entering the "spirit world".
The other point is very good - Harbi might not kill the entire Shepard's squad because then you really can't convince Shepard to agree with anything other than destroy. It's to keep his hope that he can save his team-mates, hence the "I need to know that someone will make it out alive" line.


Yep but they could fix it "without difficulty", and we are shown a bright happy future of all species (the ones we didn't kill) leaving and developing.

Well some people had the idea that the dream starts right before the beam run, when the transport crashes. I didn't see much reason to believe it then, but with this added it would work better. I still want to think the dream starts when you get lased, as not only does it work better from a story telling point of view, there's also the fade to white and the dream music that plays.

I like your explaination too, it's the only other one. Harby let the Normandy go, to give Shepard hope. I'm going with that.

There's also a third possibility, and that is that Harby dozed of for a minute of two

[niravital]

davishepard wrote...

Vaya wrote...

1- The nonsensical Normandy rescue mission to remove the squadmates from Earth, despite more reasonable ways to fix that plot hole,
2- Adding an unclear "reaper voice" to Harbinger right before he hits you with his beam.
3- Unmasking a dead Coats on the citadel.
4- Adding a bizzare electrical/mechanical noise to wake up Shepard on the citadel.
5- Not fixing any of the clues/mistakes that were there before.

Is "beneath the heavens" just a claim for devil's advocacy?

1. Joker followed Shepard's order, there's no nonsense in this.
2. Irrelevant.
3. Also irrelevant.
4. Still irrelevant.
5. They fixed what needed to be fixed. Whatever left is not important, and only is noticed by people wanting to grasp at straws, I mean, believing in IT.

oh, those strange stuff and plotholes are irrelevant.
I bet the other stuff prior to EC is irrelevant also...

DAMN! I really thought we were on something!

OK guys, good night.

[BleedingUranium]

jgibson14352 wrote...

an interesting thought i just had, if the walking nightmare is correct, wouldnt be interesting if, when the final choice comes and if shepard were to choose synthesis, he actually jumps into the beam on earth to have everything that he is sent up to become a reaper? then sent out to continue the cycle?

I had that idea very early on, and Destroy would be sabotaging the beam, but I could never find something for Control, so I kinda gave up on it.

Modifié par BleedingUranium, 06 juillet 2012 - 12:51 .

[Priss Blackburne]

BleedingUranium wrote...

niravital wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...
True, it solves those, but it then creates more like:

-You're in a war, on the last push, everyone's willing to die to accomplish the mission, someone gets injured and... you call for evac? When dozens of other soldiers around you are getting mowed down? No, it's just soooo wrong

-The Normandy hovers in front of Harbinger for a good couple minutes, and Harby does nothing. They even make it very obvious by having the scene where the Normandy's climbing away right in front of Harby's face, and he watches it leave, not doing anything.

-Harby also stops lasing anything at all while the Normandy's there, and resumes as soon as it leaves.


Also the relay's don't explode, which means all the star systems don't get vaporized, but they still break, so yes, still starving to death

I agree, it doesn't make sense - but this is Shepards behaviour? why stop and call evac? No indoctrination there.
The squaddies leaving - couldn't agree more, they should have stayed till the end. But still, this is prior to Shepard being hit by the laser and entering the "spirit world".
The other point is very good - Harbi might not kill the entire Shepard's squad because then you really can't convince Shepard to agree with anything other than destroy. It's to keep his hope that he can save his team-mates, hence the "I need to know that someone will make it out alive" line.


Yep but they could fix it "without difficulty", and we are shown a bright happy future of all species (the ones we didn't kill) leaving and developing.

Well some people had the idea that the dream starts right before the beam run, when the transport crashes. I didn't see much reason to believe it then, but with this added it would work better. I still want to think the dream starts when you get lased, as not only does it work better from a story telling point of view, there's also the fade to white and the dream music that plays.

I like your explaination too, it's the only other one. Harby let the Normandy go, to give Shepard hope. I'm going with that.

There's also a third possibility, and that is that Harby dozed of for a minute of two

or some crazy Salarian was climbing up one of his limbs and he was squeeling like a little girl "get it off me!"

[Nightingale]

Wow, what's with all the trolls lately? And yes, I consider them trolls because they are not making rational arguments, just calling all of the evidence in favor of IT "irrelevant."

[BleedingUranium]

DrTsoni wrote...

Wow, what's with all the trolls lately? And yes, I consider them trolls because they are not making rational arguments, just calling all of the evidence in favor of IT "irrelevant."

They're all like "Now that EC's out IT's been proven wrong", but I have yet to see any of our evidence dismissed. Any. Other than the Normandy pickup scene being added, which adds a lot more problems by fixing the old ones

[babachewie]

[quote]Auralius Carolus wrote...

[quote]babachewie wrote...

[quote]davishepard wrote...

I came here to see what is the current state of denial of you guys, and is still strong. =)[/quote] Its going strong. Where is shepards birth certificate?!?
[/quote]

The real one! We can see the photoshop artifacts on that last one you provided!



[/quote

Modifié par babachewie, 06 juillet 2012 - 12:55 .

[niravital]

BleedingUranium wrote...
Well some people had the idea that the dream starts right before the beam run, when the transport crashes. I didn't see much reason to believe it then, but with this added it would work better. I still want to think the dream starts when you get lased, as not only does it work better from a story telling point of view, there's also the fade to white and the dream music that plays.

I like your explaination too, it's the only other one. Harby let the Normandy go, to give Shepard hope. I'm going with that.

There's also a third possibility, and that is that Harby dozed of for a minute of two

Yeah, there is also going back to reaching the FOB with when Shepard begins to dream.
But you said it, the hit by laser makes sense both story-telling-wise and gameplay-wise (slow motion, infinite ammo, Ash/Kaiden piles of bodies - are they still there in the EC?).

[Auralius Carolus]

DrTsoni wrote...

Wow, what's with all the trolls lately? And yes, I consider them trolls because they are not making rational arguments, just calling all of the evidence in favor of IT "irrelevant."

Ego trips, saddistic glee in harassing others, the thrill of competition, a misguided sense of the need to convert others to their way of thinking. Beats me, but we aren't hurting anyone.

[Vaya]

davishepard didn't write...

But that's more or less what it comes to, damn reaper trolls.

[niravital]

Vaya wrote...

davishepard didn't write...

But that's more or less what it comes to, damn reaper trolls.

LOL!