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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark II!


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BleedingUranium

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babachewie wrote...

Auralius Carolus wrote...

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davishepard wrote...

I came here to see what is the current state of denial of you guys, and is still strong. =)

Its going strong. Where is shepards birth certificate?!?


The real one! We can see the photoshop artifacts on that last one you provided!



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Gotta love the religion comparisons, they're so... facepalmy Posted Image

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niravital wrote...

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But that's more or less what it comes to, damn reaper trolls.


LOL! :lol:


I think I love that video so much because that's almost exactly how it went in game Posted Image

Modifié par BleedingUranium, 06 juillet 2012 - 01:00 .


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Gotta love the religion comparisons, they're so... facepalmy Posted Image


I actually like them. Religion and classical Literature can really be some interesting stuff.

The Reapers really do fit in well with Demons from several different belief systems, albeit having some clear twists.

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Hay Davish can you go please. All we ask is to let us speculate. We are doing no harm to you and Bioware said the EC would not comfirm or deni IT and have you played ME1 and ME2 and if you have can you tell us why IT is wrong.

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Auralius Carolus wrote...

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Gotta love the religion comparisons, they're so... facepalmy Posted Image


I actually like them. Religion and classical Literature can really be some interesting stuff.

The Reapers really do fit in well with Demons from several different belief systems, albeit having some clear twists.


Hmm, perhaps I misread the post. I guess after this long I just assume it's literalists trying to call us fanatics. Also conspiracy theorists, although we technically are that, but they mean the crazy ones.

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Oh and Davish. If you still want to agrue then please watch all videos on the front page 1 and when you are done the come back here and tell us if we are wrong.

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So guys any new info on Glyph and it working for the Reapers.

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BleedingUranium wrote...

Hmm, perhaps I misread the post. I guess after this long I just assume it's literalists trying to call us fanatics. Also conspiracy theorists, although we technically are that, but they mean the crazy ones.


You would be surprised how many "crazy" conspiracy theoriest are actually on to something, but simply come off as irrational and overzealous.

Rule #1: Never write something off as crazy or impossible until you look at the evidence- all the evidence, offered from multiple sides- for yourself. Measure it both quantitatively and qualitatively, then compile what is left after close scrutiny.

That's what defines a careful critic from a fanatic, radical or the likes.

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So guys any new info on Glyph and it working for the Reapers.


A bunch of holes. Too little is known about its history, although there are some references that one of the Shadow Brokers created it.

Oh, I sent you a request through Origin MB, (Captain Derples).

Modifié par Auralius Carolus, 06 juillet 2012 - 01:23 .


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Thanks Arualius. And did anybody come and try to disprove IT again.

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niravital wrote...

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Well some people had the idea that the dream starts right before the beam run, when the transport crashes. I didn't see much reason to believe it then, but with this added it would work better. I still want to think the dream starts when you get lased, as not only does it work better from a story telling point of view, there's also the fade to white and the dream music that plays.

I like your explaination too, it's the only other one. Harby let the Normandy go, to give Shepard hope. I'm going with that.

There's also a third possibility, and that is that Harby dozed of for a minute of two Posted Image


Yeah, there is also going back to reaching the FOB with when Shepard begins to dream.
But you said it, the hit by laser makes sense both story-telling-wise and gameplay-wise (slow motion, infinite ammo, Ash/Kaiden piles of bodies - are they still there in the EC?).


Those bodies are there before Harbi lasers Shepard. This is why many believe that it's a waking hallucination from the truck crash on; including myself.

Just to clarify, from the hit that should have melted Shepard into nothingness, as it does to everyone else it touches, Shep is likely in a full on hallucination, but is mobile. He/She stumbles towards the pillar of light and then mumbles to themselves and talks to the air until the choice.

Go left get electrocuted or maybe jammed full of nanides.

Go center get vaporized or maybe jump onto a dragons tooth.

Go right and fire a gun and blow some power source for the Indoctrination beacon up.

After the start of each trauma, que really good dream of what Shep wants to see.

Que waking up in rubble after Destroy delusion.

Modifié par Turbo_J, 06 juillet 2012 - 01:33 .


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Auralius Carolus wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

So guys any new info on Glyph and it working for the Reapers.


A bunch of holes. Too little is known about its history, although there are some references that one of the Shadow Brokers created it.

Liara was fiddling with it. Surely she wouldn't have missed any fishy Reaper code fragments. Or would she? Posted Image

Modifié par paxxton, 06 juillet 2012 - 01:27 .


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Auralius Carolus wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Hmm, perhaps I misread the post. I guess after this long I just assume it's literalists trying to call us fanatics. Also conspiracy theorists, although we technically are that, but they mean the crazy ones.


You would be surprised how many "crazy" conspiracy theoriest are actually on to something, but simply come off as irrational and overzealous.

Rule #1: Never write something off as crazy or impossible until you look at the evidence- all the evidence, offered from multiple sides- for yourself. Measure it both quantitatively and qualitatively, then compile what is left after close scrutiny.

That's what defines a careful critic from a fanatic, radical or the likes.


Very true, by "crazy ones" I was mostly referring to the literalists' intentions.

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Thanks Arualius. And did anybody come and try to disprove IT again.


Of course. Same ol' junk.

*show evidence*
*discreditted as bug, sloppy design, or impossible through literal interpretation, etc.*
*sicks Vladmir Checrov, the drunk Russian with a paddle, on the troll*

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masster blaster wrote...

So guys any new info on Glyph and it working for the Reapers.


My take when I played LotSB was that Glyph, or "that damned VI" was that it was the real shadow brokers way of controlling his operation. It's indespensible, anybody who "takes over" the operation still needs it, it calls everyone "shadow broker". I guessed at the time that the real Shadow Broker was still out there firewalled from any consequences. I didn't and don't think it has anything to do with indoctrination, just a similar theme of misdirection.

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Liara was fiddling with it. Surely she wouldn't have missed any fishy Reaper code fragments. Or would she? Posted Image


Do you know all of the code that occurs within your computer? Now imagine a device that is capable of sorting and analyzing the vast majority of information streaming into one station from across the entire galaxy.

Unless we can determine the origin of it, I doubt we'll have any real answers.

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Oooooh, I'm dying here. A fresh chicken fillet sandwich, order of fries and a handmixed banana milkshake chaser. Argh.

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News update, working on and currently near finishing another draft of my ending script.

For those of you who are oldtimers/regulars, you will know what I speak of, for those of you who aren't, look out.

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Arian Dynas wrote...

News update, working on and currently near finishing another draft of my ending script.

For those of you who are oldtimers/regulars, you will know what I speak of, for those of you who aren't, look out.


What's it about Arian?

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masster blaster wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

News update, working on and currently near finishing another draft of my ending script.

For those of you who are oldtimers/regulars, you will know what I speak of, for those of you who aren't, look out.


What's it about Arian?


Manlovin'

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Auralius Carolus wrote...

paxxton wrote...
Liara was fiddling with it. Surely she wouldn't have missed any fishy Reaper code fragments. Or would she? Posted Image


Do you know all of the code that occurs within your computer? Now imagine a device that is capable of sorting and analyzing the vast majority of information streaming into one station from across the entire galaxy.

Unless we can determine the origin of it, I doubt we'll have any real answers.


I was thinking about Glyph today and Demersel realty poke at some great points and I'll add to them.

The SB ship is very much like the Citadel in that there is a VI; in this case pure tech instead of an organic VI like the Keepers.

Glyph was instrumental in not only getting the network back into functioning order, it also was responsible for locating the information that lead Liara to Mars.

Glyph is a pest; always there when you turn around, but yet it was completely absent during the showdown with the Yahg.

The first thing Liara comments on is how the broker network is completely unprotected. No user restriction.

Glyph suddenly shows up on Shepard's return visit to the ship. Conveniently, it is a somewhat annoying and 'dumb' basic VI that has never been 'configured' to user tates and is easily dismissed as irrelevent from a Shep/Player perspective.

Edit: Oh, and Liara likely followed the user manual the VI provided. "overly helpful so nobody really ever figures out it's true nature." Vigil; Ilos. 2183.

"This just seems a little too perfect." Shepard; Normandy. 2185.

Modifié par Turbo_J, 06 juillet 2012 - 01:49 .


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Turbo_J wrote...

Auralius Carolus wrote...

paxxton wrote...
Liara was fiddling with it. Surely she wouldn't have missed any fishy Reaper code fragments. Or would she? Posted Image


Do you know all of the code that occurs within your computer? Now imagine a device that is capable of sorting and analyzing the vast majority of information streaming into one station from across the entire galaxy.

Unless we can determine the origin of it, I doubt we'll have any real answers.


I was thinking about Glyph today and Demersel realty poke at some great points and I'll add to them.

The SB ship is very much like the Citadel in that there is a VI; in this case pure tech instead of an organic VI like the Keepers.

Glyph was instrumental in not only getting the network back into functioning order, it also was responsible for locating the information that lead Liara to Mars.

Glyph is a pest; always there when you turn around, but yet it was completely absent during the showdown with the Yahg.

The first thing Liara comments on is how the broker network is completely unprotected. No user restriction.

Glyph suddenly shows up on Shepard's return visit to the ship. Conveniently, it is a somewhat annoying and 'dumb' basic VI that has never been 'configured' to user tates and is easily dismissed as irrelevent from a Shep/Player perspective.

Edit: Oh, and Liara likely followed the user manual the VI provided. "overly helpful so nobody really ever figures out it's true nature." Vigil; Ilos. 2183.

"This just seems a little too perfect." Shepard; Normandy. 2185.


And hidden in plain sight, as well. The only downside to it all is that so little is known about Glyph; it could easily be a pesky Vi- they do exist. But on the other hand, it would be a near perfect mole inside the Normandy.

How many people would honestly say "That! That thing is gonna be trouble." Most would simply think it a goofy bobble.

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davishepard wrote...

I came here to see what is the current state of denial of you guys, and is still strong. =)


http://www.youtube.c...XpUdBlRZe8#t=22 

I WOULD LOVE IT, LOVE IT if we were right all along. Not only because it is what this series deserves but it would make you lot look complete muppets.

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Interesting line someone found in the leviathan dlc

You know, whenever we discover something amazing like that, I wonder what else might be out there... or even right under our noses.


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