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Rosewind wrote...

yeah but they monsters, and traynor is a ... human i guess lol that is why there is naked liara :P


So, Liara gets to be naked because she's a REAPER DOOMSDAY DEVICE?

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MegumiAzusa wrote...

Liara's got scales, so it doesn't count.
Also the Architect does explain himself and what he is doing, he says he is trying to actively end the cycles (and yeah there are sooo many things similar in DA and ME) compared to the child who says I control the Reapers, and it's my solution in the first place... that's quite a difference. The child never wanted to cycles to stop, only (if true) supports it out of necessity.


Speaking of similar things, playing Awakening again reminded my why Javik's sensory ability seemed so familiar. Its the same thing Justice does.

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byne wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

yeah but they monsters, and traynor is a ... human i guess lol that is why there is naked liara :P


So, Liara gets to be naked because she's a REAPER DOOMSDAY DEVICE?


lol true only fair right?

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Hey all, take a look at the image posted in this thread by Bill Casey. New IT implications:



http://social.biowar...5495/4#12175467

Bioware is indeed hinting at it.

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Rosewind wrote...

byne wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

yeah but they monsters, and traynor is a ... human i guess lol that is why there is naked liara :P


So, Liara gets to be naked because she's a REAPER DOOMSDAY DEVICE?


lol true only fair right?


And apparently theres a part 4! Must watch!

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Bill Casey wrote...

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liggy002 wrote...

Hey all, take a look at the image posted in this thread by Bill Casey. New IT implications:



http://social.biowar...5495/4#12175467

Bioware is indeed hinting at it.


:blink:

Oh Dam! good catch!

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byne wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Liara's got scales, so it doesn't count.
Also the Architect does explain himself and what he is doing, he says he is trying to actively end the cycles (and yeah there are sooo many things similar in DA and ME) compared to the child who says I control the Reapers, and it's my solution in the first place... that's quite a difference. The child never wanted to cycles to stop, only (if true) supports it out of necessity.


Speaking of similar things, playing Awakening again reminded my why Javik's sensory ability seemed so familiar. Its the same thing Justice does.


Actually we figured that out in the old thread.

We determined Javik's ability to be supersensory perception, crossed with mental processing.

Basically he's Monk, with the ability to smell like a dog, perceive chemicals in the parts per billion range and subconciously interprets it in a sort of processing center in his brain, where his concious mind recives it as generalized impressions. Prothean tech likely stores memories in the sort of neural pathway type of thing AIs do with a bluebox, and then releases synthesized scents, chemicals and visual signals that the Prothean mind then interprets.

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delldo wrote...

@Xaven,

YouTube "abandoned mine mission in mass effect 2" and you will see that the artifact is the same as object rho from arrival. The curvature looks similar to the rubble object, but I will have to look closer when I get home and off this damn phone lol.


Seriously, in both the pictures of the Indoctrination device on Aequitas and Object Rho, if the device was destroyed and one of the legs was laying on its side it would look very similar to what is laying on the ground near Shep when s/he takes that breath.

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Just a quick link.


Modifié par paxxton, 22 mai 2012 - 03:02 .


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liggy002 wrote...

Hey all, take a look at the image posted in this thread by Bill Casey. New IT implications:



http://social.biowar...5495/4#12175467

Bioware is indeed hinting at it.


Forshadowing, hinting or trolling the hell out of everyone. It is a forum after all. lol.

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EpyonX3 wrote...

liggy002 wrote...

Hey all, take a look at the image posted in this thread by Bill Casey. New IT implications:



http://social.biowar...5495/4#12175467

Bioware is indeed hinting at it.


Forshadowing, hinting or trolling the hell out of everyone. It is a forum after all. lol.


Can't do both?

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****. I've been playing through ME1 and ME2 with the specific purpose of doing things as "perfectly" as I could. In particular, I wanted to save my entire crew, which I have never done before. Looks like I just screwed that up - I did the reaper IFF mission prior to completing Jacob and Samara's loyalty mission. I was about to start Samara's, but the Collector ship-boarding scene kicked in.

I sadly don't think I have any pre-derelict reaper saves. Is there any way to salvage this so at least all of my squadmates survive?

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Big Bad wrote...

****. I've been playing through ME1 and ME2 with the specific purpose of doing things as "perfectly" as I could. In particular, I wanted to save my entire crew, which I have never done before. Looks like I just screwed that up - I did the reaper IFF mission prior to completing Jacob and Samara's loyalty mission. I was about to start Samara's, but the Collector ship-boarding scene kicked in.

I sadly don't think I have any pre-derelict reaper saves. Is there any way to salvage this so at least all of my squadmates survive?


Squadmates? Yes. Crewmates? No.

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Arian Dynas wrote...

Big Bad wrote...

****. I've been playing through ME1 and ME2 with the specific purpose of doing things as "perfectly" as I could. In particular, I wanted to save my entire crew, which I have never done before. Looks like I just screwed that up - I did the reaper IFF mission prior to completing Jacob and Samara's loyalty mission. I was about to start Samara's, but the Collector ship-boarding scene kicked in.

I sadly don't think I have any pre-derelict reaper saves. Is there any way to salvage this so at least all of my squadmates survive?


Squadmates? Yes. Crewmates? No.


Hmmm...so I should do the remaining loyalty missions before heading through the relay, yes?

I can't believe I ****ed this up!  I even read the wiki in order to figure out exactly what I needed to do - guess I didn't read closely enough.

Oh well.  Chambers survived on my first ME3 playthrough, so if she dies, I can live with it.  But now at least, I have an incentive for another ME2 playthrough!

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Big Bad wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Big Bad wrote...

****. I've been playing through ME1 and ME2 with the specific purpose of doing things as "perfectly" as I could. In particular, I wanted to save my entire crew, which I have never done before. Looks like I just screwed that up - I did the reaper IFF mission prior to completing Jacob and Samara's loyalty mission. I was about to start Samara's, but the Collector ship-boarding scene kicked in.

I sadly don't think I have any pre-derelict reaper saves. Is there any way to salvage this so at least all of my squadmates survive?


Squadmates? Yes. Crewmates? No.


Hmmm...so I should do the remaining loyalty missions before heading through the relay, yes?

I can't believe I ****ed this up!  I even read the wiki in order to figure out exactly what I needed to do - guess I didn't read closely enough.

Oh well.  Chambers survived on my first ME3 playthrough, so if she dies, I can live with it.  But now at least, I have an incentive for another ME2 playthrough!

I think the borderline is the IFF mission. After that you can't save them all. But I may be mistaken.

I always thought there was no way to save Chambers until I saw her "ghost" in ME3 on YT.

Modifié par paxxton, 22 mai 2012 - 02:36 .


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Think you can do one or two missions after collector attack before crewmates start dying on collector base, but if your nervous about that just have Miranda be squad leader both times, tali as vent girl, mordin as crew escort, jack as biotic, and take jack and tali with you to the human reaper. Should make it with no casualties and do Samara and Jacob loyalty afterwards.

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I came across something that I haven't seen discussed here before. I also may have just missed it, seeing as this is an extremely long thread if you include the first one, but here it is.

The catalyst claims that he was the first, and that he created the reapers. But in mass effect one, sovereign states that the reapers created the citadel, which would therefore mean that they created the catalyst.

Hope this helped support the theory. Sorry if I wasted anyone's time.

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greatcrusader44 wrote...

Think you can do one or two missions after collector attack before crewmates start dying on collector base, but if your nervous about that just have Miranda be squad leader both times, tali as vent girl, mordin as crew escort, jack as biotic, and take jack and tali with you to the human reaper. Should make it with no casualties and do Samara and Jacob loyalty afterwards.


If memory serves, if you do not go right away half the crew dies. If you go immediately you save them all.

If Miranda and Garrus (if s/he's loyal) lead the fire teams they do well. Send Mordin as the crew escort or Mordin dies. Make either Loyal Jack or Loyal Samara (not an option here clearly, so use Jack) as your Biotic expert, and make either Tali or Legion your tech expert.

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HellishFiend wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

liggy002 wrote...

Hey all, take a look at the image posted in this thread by Bill Casey. New IT implications:



http://social.biowar...5495/4#12175467

Bioware is indeed hinting at it.


Forshadowing, hinting or trolling the hell out of everyone. It is a forum after all. lol.


Can't do both?


Huh, figured we would have figured out something like this Posted Image

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captainoblivious wrote...

I came across something that I haven't seen discussed here before. I also may have just missed it, seeing as this is an extremely long thread if you include the first one, but here it is.

The catalyst claims that he was the first, and that he created the reapers. But in mass effect one, sovereign states that the reapers created the citadel, which would therefore mean that they created the catalyst.

Hope this helped support the theory. Sorry if I wasted anyone's time.


I catually think this is a very important distinction. Great pick up!

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liggy002 wrote...

Hey all, take a look at the image posted in this thread by Bill Casey. New IT implications:



http://social.biowar...5495/4#12175467

Bioware is indeed hinting at it.

I think there is quite a bit of foreshadowing in the opening, one that has me interested is when Anderson prevents Shepard falling, Shepard remarks "Thanks, I owe you one" and Anderson replies "More than one", Bioware stated the camera would concentrate on scenes of interest.

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 My friend found something. In the Voice Cast Reveal trailer, at 3:36, Martin Sheen says:
"Stay tuned, heh... I'm not done yet, LOL!"

I'm guessing this video was made after all the Voice Work was recorded. He's gotta be hinting towards something, since the Illusive Man is 'dead'.

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JasonSic wrote...

 My friend found something. In the Voice Cast Reveal trailer, at 3:36, Martin Sheen says:
"Stay tuned, heh... I'm not done yet, LOL!"

I'm guessing this video was made after all the Voice Work was recorded. He's gotta be hinting towards something, since the Illusive Man is 'dead'.

Source: 


Its been discussed a few times - but to go with this - at no point in the final talk with TIM do I feel like I'm talking to TIM. His character and mannerism is so not TIM.

My first playthrough before engaging in speculation on the interwebs that it was not TIM.

I'm also a strong believer that TIM is not indoctrinated and has some role to play in the ending.

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Icinix wrote...

captainoblivious wrote...

I came across something that I haven't seen discussed here before. I also may have just missed it, seeing as this is an extremely long thread if you include the first one, but here it is.

The catalyst claims that he was the first, and that he created the reapers. But in mass effect one, sovereign states that the reapers created the citadel, which would therefore mean that they created the catalyst.

Hope this helped support the theory. Sorry if I wasted anyone's time.


I catually think this is a very important distinction. Great pick up!

I agree. Been thinking about it since I first read it. At the very least it is a good example of the catalyst NOT being a credible source of information. I'll leave any analysis deeper than that to better minds.