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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark II!


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BansheeOwnage

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lex0r11 wrote...

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I think this is too much interpretation just for interpretations sake.

It most likely is Shepards Armor, but the one getting the help could be anyone.

Yeah, but it looks like the breath scene.


I see it like this:

The whole theme of the game is getting back to earth and saving it, saving humans. Arm is just the representation for all mankind.

IMO, too general for concept art.

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lex0r11

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byne wrote...

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Is the beam still "on" in the breath scene? Anyway this would be sort of a slap in the face if the person being helped is a non-caucasian Shepard. Though the arm could be male or female, hard to tell.


I dont see how its a slap in the face to non-caucasian Sheps. Are the trailers featuring Default MaleShep and Default FemShep slaps in the face to non-caucasian Sheps?


Not this again, stop right there please.

Shepard is Shepard. Everything beyond that like favorite sex or skincolor people should keep to themselves.

And yeah, default Shepard being a slap in the face to others is like complaining why the character in a book is not like the one I want him to be.

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Turbo_J wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

Is the beam still "on" in the breath scene? Anyway this would be sort of a slap in the face if the person being helped is a non-caucasian Shepard. Though the arm could be male or female, hard to tell.


Likely default Sheploo. I play exclusively FemShep. Love Meer but could not handle his VA in ME1. I only played Sheploo for Choose Wisely and made up for it with the FemShep doubletake in my sig. ^_^

Off topic: So "Sheploo" is default maleshep? If so, why the name? 
On topic: Your spot on about the player Shep/game Shep thing. Nice.

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BansheeOwnage wrote...

Off topic: So "Sheploo" is default maleshep? If so, why the name?

Mark Vanderloo. Google it.

Modifié par Simon_Says, 06 juillet 2012 - 05:39 .


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I'm not complaining just pointing out that maybe it's evidence that it isn't Shepard, please calm down.

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Simon_Says wrote...

Well I'm out for the night.

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BansheeOwnage wrote...

Off topic: So "Sheploo" is default maleshep? If so, why the name?

Mark Vanderloo. Google it.

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BansheeOwnage wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

Is the beam still "on" in the breath scene? Anyway this would be sort of a slap in the face if the person being helped is a non-caucasian Shepard. Though the arm could be male or female, hard to tell.


Likely default Sheploo. I play exclusively FemShep. Love Meer but could not handle his VA in ME1. I only played Sheploo for Choose Wisely and made up for it with the FemShep doubletake in my sig. ^_^

Off topic: So "Sheploo" is default maleshep? If so, why the name? 
On topic: Your spot on about the player Shep/game Shep thing. Nice.

Sheploo is modeled after model Mark Vanderloo
Edit: Ninja'd but adds more info

Modifié par Either.Ardrey, 06 juillet 2012 - 05:40 .


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DrTsoni wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

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Except who on Earth had bare arms other than Harbinger'd Shepard?

This. Until proven otherwise, I'll believe this is Shepard.


Agreed, but my interpretation is Player Shepard helping Game Shepard.

The final battle leaves Shepard alone save one element. Us.

Wow, okay, good argument. Starting to make me believe it, at least :P
leonia has a good point, though and what lex0r said was what I initially thought it was.


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BansheeOwnage wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

Is the beam still "on" in the breath scene? Anyway this would be sort of a slap in the face if the person being helped is a non-caucasian Shepard. Though the arm could be male or female, hard to tell.


Likely default Sheploo. I play exclusively FemShep. Love Meer but could not handle his VA in ME1. I only played Sheploo for Choose Wisely and made up for it with the FemShep doubletake in my sig. ^_^

Off topic: So "Sheploo" is default maleshep? If so, why the name? 
On topic: Your spot on about the player Shep/game Shep thing. Nice.


Model's name. Mark Vanderloo

:ph34r: by Either! :pinched:

Modifié par Turbo_J, 06 juillet 2012 - 05:41 .


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BansheeOwnage wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

Is the beam still "on" in the breath scene? Anyway this would be sort of a slap in the face if the person being helped is a non-caucasian Shepard. Though the arm could be male or female, hard to tell.


Likely default Sheploo. I play exclusively FemShep. Love Meer but could not handle his VA in ME1. I only played Sheploo for Choose Wisely and made up for it with the FemShep doubletake in my sig. ^_^

Off topic: So "Sheploo" is default maleshep? If so, why the name? 
On topic: Your spot on about the player Shep/game Shep thing. Nice.


He's modeled off Mark Vanderloo (I believe that's how his name is spelled).

Edit: Boo, ninja'd by like 5 seconds :P

Modifié par DrTsoni, 06 juillet 2012 - 05:40 .


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BansheeOwnage wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

Is the beam still "on" in the breath scene? Anyway this would be sort of a slap in the face if the person being helped is a non-caucasian Shepard. Though the arm could be male or female, hard to tell.


Likely default Sheploo. I play exclusively FemShep. Love Meer but could not handle his VA in ME1. I only played Sheploo for Choose Wisely and made up for it with the FemShep doubletake in my sig. ^_^

Off topic: So "Sheploo" is default maleshep? If so, why the name? 
On topic: Your spot on about the player Shep/game Shep thing. Nice.


Sheploo is a reference to Mark Vanderloo, they used his face for MaleShep.

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Simon_Says wrote...

Well I'm out for the night.

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BansheeOwnage wrote...

Off topic: So "Sheploo" is default maleshep? If so, why the name?

Mark Vanderloo. Google it.

The "real" commander Shepard lol. Too bad they didn't have a real face to model Femshep's face off of. Not that is really matters to me though, as I have a custom one anyway.
Edit: Voiced by a Mark and modeled after a Mark?

Modifié par BansheeOwnage, 06 juillet 2012 - 05:42 .


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The hand definitely looks male to me, could be Sheploo..

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pirate1802 wrote...

The hand definitely looks male to me, could be Sheploo..

Probably since the vast majority if concept art is Sheploo.

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BansheeOwnage wrote...

Simon_Says wrote...

Well I'm out for the night.

Don't let the collector swarms bite.

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Off topic: So "Sheploo" is default maleshep? If so, why the name?

Mark Vanderloo. Google it.

The "real" commander Shepard lol. Too bad they didn't have a real face to model Femshep's face off of. Not that is really matters to me though, as I have a custom one anyway.

Yeah, the FemShep concept art turned out much better than its in-game translation. The in-game FemShep looked quite a bit more cartoony than all of the other ME characters.

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Either.Ardrey wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Simon_Says wrote...

Well I'm out for the night.

Don't let the collector swarms bite.

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Off topic: So "Sheploo" is default maleshep? If so, why the name?

Mark Vanderloo. Google it.

The "real" commander Shepard lol. Too bad they didn't have a real face to model Femshep's face off of. Not that is really matters to me though, as I have a custom one anyway.

Yeah, the FemShep concept art turned out much better than its in-game translation. The in-game FemShep looked quite a bit more cartoony than all of the other ME characters.

That was my first thought too.

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BansheeOwnage wrote...

Simon_Says wrote...

Well I'm out for the night.

Don't let the collector swarms bite.

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Off topic: So "Sheploo" is default maleshep? If so, why the name?

Mark Vanderloo. Google it.

The "real" commander Shepard lol. Too bad they didn't have a real face to model Femshep's face off of. Not that is really matters to me though, as I have a custom one anyway.
Edit: Voiced by a Mark and modeled after a Mark?


Yeah, mine is custom as well. All 7 of them. My canon is a Redhead with freckles though. Much better than the ME3 default. I'm not sure WTH went wrong there.

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SubAstris wrote...

Destructorlio wrote...

Is anyone in this thread going to SDCC- we need an agent to ask Bioware about IT:

1) Was it ever intended by the developers, even as an interpretation?
2) What was with all of the clues in the game that we uncovered in this forum, were they there intentionally? Particularly the infrasound and the gun switch and the treeflections
3) Was any thought given to furthering this interpretation in the EC?
4) Was the Shepard lives ending supposed to be in London?
5) Will there be an ME4?


I doubt you will get any definitive answers on this, except for maybe 4. What would that mean for IT if BW said it was on the Citadel?


Well, I think Bioware have already gone out of their way to disprove IT, so saying that Shep was on the Citadel would not really change that, just make it more plausible for the literal version to be true. They could equally say Shep was in London and chalk his survival up to space magic. I still want to know what the f*ck they were thinking.

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Either.Ardrey wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Simon_Says wrote...

Well I'm out for the night.

Don't let the collector swarms bite.

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Off topic: So "Sheploo" is default maleshep? If so, why the name?

Mark Vanderloo. Google it.

The "real" commander Shepard lol. Too bad they didn't have a real face to model Femshep's face off of. Not that is really matters to me though, as I have a custom one anyway.

Yeah, the FemShep concept art turned out much better than its in-game translation. The in-game FemShep looked quite a bit more cartoony than all of the other ME characters.



Some folks in here call her "squirrel face".


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Modifié par lex0r11, 06 juillet 2012 - 05:47 .


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Turbo_J wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Simon_Says wrote...

Well I'm out for the night.

Don't let the collector swarms bite.

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Off topic: So "Sheploo" is default maleshep? If so, why the name?

Mark Vanderloo. Google it.

The "real" commander Shepard lol. Too bad they didn't have a real face to model Femshep's face off of. Not that is really matters to me though, as I have a custom one anyway.
Edit: Voiced by a Mark and modeled after a Mark?


Yeah, mine is custom as well. All 7 of them. My canon is a Redhead with freckles though. Much better than the ME3 default. I'm not sure WTH went wrong there.



They should patch in a new default FemShep that actually looks like the concept art, and also give the code for making it in ME1, so I'd be able to actually use it without giving Shep plastic surgery in ME3 Posted Image At least the code

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Destructorlio wrote...


Well, I think Bioware have already gone out of their way to disprove IT, so saying that Shep was on the Citadel would not really change that, just make it more plausible for the literal version to be true. They could equally say Shep was in London and chalk his survival up to space magic. I still want to know what the f*ck they were thinking.


FemShep voice "What the hell are you talking about?" /FemShep voice

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I liked that squirrel face :S Though the concept one was much better I'd agree.

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Destructorlio wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

Destructorlio wrote...

Is anyone in this thread going to SDCC- we need an agent to ask Bioware about IT:

1) Was it ever intended by the developers, even as an interpretation?
2) What was with all of the clues in the game that we uncovered in this forum, were they there intentionally? Particularly the infrasound and the gun switch and the treeflections
3) Was any thought given to furthering this interpretation in the EC?
4) Was the Shepard lives ending supposed to be in London?
5) Will there be an ME4?


I doubt you will get any definitive answers on this, except for maybe 4. What would that mean for IT if BW said it was on the Citadel?


Well, I think Bioware have already gone out of their way to disprove IT, so saying that Shep was on the Citadel would not really change that, just make it more plausible for the literal version to be true. They could equally say Shep was in London and chalk his survival up to space magic. I still want to know what the f*ck they were thinking.


I'm not sure where all this "IT is dead" is coming from, because not only did EC give us more evidence, more importantly, it didn't remove any. Also, BW never said anything of the sort, they're staying neutral for now.

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BleedingUranium wrote...

They should patch in a new default FemShep that actually looks like the concept art, and also give the code for making it in ME1, so I'd be able to actually use it without giving Shep plastic surgery in ME3 Posted Image At least the code


Can you enter codes in ME1? I have the PC version and I don't think it gives you that option. Unless it's a NG+ thing and I've missed seeing it for 5 years.

Modifié par Turbo_J, 06 juillet 2012 - 05:49 .


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Rifneno wrote...

Hmm, MP DLC. Haven't been on MP in a month or so. I wonder how--<checks balance changes> J-Jesus. They obliterated infiltrators!


Screw MP. I played it, and enjoyed it, in the beautiful interegnum between the release of the game and the release of the EC. Then Bioware humped the bunk and I simply cannot get excited about fighting the Reapers in the leadup to that nightmare ending. Likewise for any pre-ending SP DLC that they seem to be so excited about. Why would I play that?

niravital wrote...

There is also this Reaper-talking sound before Harbi shoots his laser ("serves us/save us/follow us/come with us")



Yeah, that was a pretty huge addition in support of IT, I must say.