I came across something that I haven't seen discussed here before. I also may have just missed it, seeing as this is an extremely long thread if you include the first one, but here it is.
The catalyst claims that he was the first, and that he created the reapers. But in mass effect one, sovereign states that the reapers created the citadel, which would therefore mean that they created the catalyst.
Hope this helped support the theory. Sorry if I wasted anyone's time.
I catually think this is a very important distinction. Great pick up!
I agree. Been thinking about it since I first read it. At the very least it is a good example of the catalyst NOT being a credible source of information. I'll leave any analysis deeper than that to better minds.
The Catalyst could have created the Reapers and then the Reapers built the Citadel. But did he really state that he created them?
My friend found something. In the Voice Cast Reveal trailer, at 3:36, Martin Sheen says: "Stay tuned, heh... I'm not done yet, LOL!"
I'm guessing this video was made after all the Voice Work was recorded. He's gotta be hinting towards something, since the Illusive Man is 'dead'.
Source:
Its been discussed a few times - but to go with this - at no point in the final talk with TIM do I feel like I'm talking to TIM. His character and mannerism is so not TIM.
My first playthrough before engaging in speculation on the interwebs that it was not TIM.
I'm also a strong believer that TIM is not indoctrinated and has some role to play in the ending.
TIM not indoctrinated
EDIT: That doesn't make sense but whatever floats your boat.
I came across something that I haven't seen discussed here before. I also may have just missed it, seeing as this is an extremely long thread if you include the first one, but here it is.
The catalyst claims that he was the first, and that he created the reapers. But in mass effect one, sovereign states that the reapers created the citadel, which would therefore mean that they created the catalyst.
Hope this helped support the theory. Sorry if I wasted anyone's time.
I catually think this is a very important distinction. Great pick up!
I agree. Been thinking about it since I first read it. At the very least it is a good example of the catalyst NOT being a credible source of information. I'll leave any analysis deeper than that to better minds.
The Catalyst could have created the Reapers and then the Reapers built the Citadel. But did he really state that he created them?
He said "They are my solution." Which of course could cover almost any base from taking control of them to creating them to who knows what.
Either way, the casual way he mucks up his I's and We's suggest he's trying to convince you he's something he's not.
His dialogue when followed closely clearly shows he's lying.
I was wondering. I am currently replaying ME1, and I am on Feros. Is it possible that the Thorian has something to do with the Reapers? Considering they are both very old and both indoctrinate. It would be interesting if the Thorian species was one of the inspirations for the Reapers.
I came across something that I haven't seen discussed here before. I also may have just missed it, seeing as this is an extremely long thread if you include the first one, but here it is.
The catalyst claims that he was the first, and that he created the reapers. But in mass effect one, sovereign states that the reapers created the citadel, which would therefore mean that they created the catalyst.
Hope this helped support the theory. Sorry if I wasted anyone's time.
I catually think this is a very important distinction. Great pick up!
I agree. Been thinking about it since I first read it. At the very least it is a good example of the catalyst NOT being a credible source of information. I'll leave any analysis deeper than that to better minds.
The Catalyst could have created the Reapers and then the Reapers built the Citadel. But did he really state that he created them?
He said "They are my solution." Which of course could cover almost any base from taking control of them to creating them to who knows what.
Either way, the casual way he mucks up his I's and We's suggest he's trying to convince you he's something he's not.
His dialogue when followed closely clearly shows he's lying.
I found 2 inconsistencies. 1. When he says "Why not?" when Shepards hesitates on Synthesis. He sounds nervous or impatient. 2. A pause before DNA in "A new...DNA." as if he was just making it up.
I came across something that I haven't seen discussed here before. I also may have just missed it, seeing as this is an extremely long thread if you include the first one, but here it is.
The catalyst claims that he was the first, and that he created the reapers. But in mass effect one, sovereign states that the reapers created the citadel, which would therefore mean that they created the catalyst.
Hope this helped support the theory. Sorry if I wasted anyone's time.
I catually think this is a very important distinction. Great pick up!
I agree. Been thinking about it since I first read it. At the very least it is a good example of the catalyst NOT being a credible source of information. I'll leave any analysis deeper than that to better minds.
The Catalyst could have created the Reapers and then the Reapers built the Citadel. But did he really state that he created them?
He said "They are my solution." Which of course could cover almost any base from taking control of them to creating them to who knows what.
Either way, the casual way he mucks up his I's and We's suggest he's trying to convince you he's something he's not.
His dialogue when followed closely clearly shows he's lying.
I found 2 inconsistencies. 1. When he says "Why not?" when Shepards hesitates on Synthesis. He sounds nervous or impatient. 2. A pause before DNA in "A new...DNA." as if he was just making it up.
1. Yes, I think he sounds mildly annoyed like " Do I have to make a picture book and show you?" 2. Yes, I also agree that everytime he pauses, he's winging it, making it up as he goes along, which is why his logic becomes circular. A lie isn't logical if you don't have time to prepare it adequately.
I was wondering. I am currently replaying ME1, and I am on Feros. Is it possible that the Thorian has something to do with the Reapers? Considering they are both very old and both indoctrinate. It would be interesting if the Thorian species was one of the inspirations for the Reapers.
This pictures above...is broshep preggers? I don't get it
No you see the image in the intro..and they are pointing out how eerily coincidental it is that Anderson just happens to hit Shepard in the exact spot where he later is sporting a fresh wound (just after the TIM confrontation on the Citadel)...
I was wondering. I am currently replaying ME1, and I am on Feros. Is it possible that the Thorian has something to do with the Reapers? Considering they are both very old and both indoctrinate. It would be interesting if the Thorian species was one of the inspirationsfor the Reapers.
Is the species THAT old?
As far as I know, it never tells you, so it is possible.
This pictures above...is broshep preggers? I don't get it
No you see the image in the intro..and they are pointing out eerily coincidental it is that Anderson just happens to hit Shepard in teh exact spot where he later is sporting a fresh wound (just after the TIM confrontation on the Citadel)...
If the Indoctrinated theory is true, then my opinion on the ending completely changes. After I head the theory, I immediately played all the endings. During control and synthesis, Shepard 'dissolves', but look at his eyes, they turn blue. My characters is brown. He gets the same eyes that TIM has. He's turning into a husk. Whereas in Destroy, he stops limping halfway through shooting the conduit, and the catylist fades out of existence. Not to mention that it is clearly London rubble that Shepard wakes up to. AND the fact that Andersons wound suddenly winds up on Shepard.
BTW, am I the only one who thought that TIM was like all half-husk in the end? I mean look at his skin.
I was wondering. I am currently replaying ME1, and I am on Feros. Is it possible that the Thorian has something to do with the Reapers? Considering they are both very old and both indoctrinate. It would be interesting if the Thorian species was one of the inspirations for the Reapers.
Is the species THAT old?
Some have speculated that the original organics that created Reapers were Thorians or that the Reapers discovered the abilities of the thorians and designed a mechanical version of it themselves.
If the Indoctrinated theory is true, then my opinion on the ending completely changes. After I head the theory, I immediately played all the endings. During control and synthesis, Shepard 'dissolves', but look at his eyes, they turn blue. My characters is brown. He gets the same eyes that TIM has. He's turning into a husk. Whereas in Destroy, he stops limping halfway through shooting the conduit, and the catylist fades out of existence. Not to mention that it is clearly London rubble that Shepard wakes up to.
BTW, am I the only one who thought that TIM was like all half-husk in the end? I mean look at his skin.
Glad to see you're on board. And yes those things have been brought up on multiple occasions
I was wondering. I am currently replaying ME1, and I am on Feros. Is it possible that the Thorian has something to do with the Reapers? Considering they are both very old and both indoctrinate. It would be interesting if the Thorian species was one of the inspirations for the Reapers.
I don't think so...while there are similarities the differences in how they control minds is just too great...but I do remember that once upon the time there was speculation on the ME 2 forums that the Thorian mind contol may be a "solution" to the Reaper's indoctrination - which we learn wasn't that far off, from the email that you get from Shiala talking about how she can hear the Reaper's calls but that the colonists kinda drown it out...
If the Indoctrinated theory is true, then my opinion on the ending completely changes. After I heard the theory, I immediately played all the endings. During control and synthesis, Shepard 'dissolves', but look at his eyes, they turn blue. My characters is brown. He gets the same eyes that TIM has. He's turning into a husk. Whereas in Destroy, he stops limping halfway through shooting the conduit, and the catylist fades out of existence. Not to mention that it is clearly London rubble that Shepard wakes up to. AND the fact that Andersons wound suddenly winds up on Shepard.
BTW, am I the only one who thought that TIM was like all half-husk in the end? I mean look at his skin.
No, you aren't the only one. It's good to see another critical thinker who considered the theory carefully and judged it on its merits rather than be close-minded and dismiss it completely.
This pictures above...is broshep preggers? I don't get it
No you see the image in the intro..and they are pointing out eerily coincidental it is that Anderson just happens to hit Shepard in teh exact spot where he later is sporting a fresh wound (just after the TIM confrontation on the Citadel)...
Yah, I know
Never can be sure when someone is trolling or not...there seem to be honest questions every once in wahile and I try to give the benefit of doubt...
I was wondering. I am currently replaying ME1, and I am on Feros. Is it possible that the Thorian has something to do with the Reapers? Considering they are both very old and both indoctrinate. It would be interesting if the Thorian species was one of the inspirations for the Reapers.
Is the species THAT old?
Some have speculated that the original organics that created Reapers were Thorians or that the Reapers discovered the abilities of the thorians and designed a mechanical version of it themselves.
The point of having the Thorian in ME1 was to show that Saren was studying indoctrination.
I find it unlikely that the Thorian is over a billion years old. That's a long time. Imagine the geological changes that have occurred on Feros in that time frame.
I was wondering. I am currently replaying ME1, and I am on Feros. Is it possible that the Thorian has something to do with the Reapers? Considering they are both very old and both indoctrinate. It would be interesting if the Thorian species was one of the inspirations for the Reapers.
Is the species THAT old?
Some have speculated that the original organics that created Reapers were Thorians or that the Reapers discovered the abilities of the thorians and designed a mechanical version of it themselves.
The point of having the Thorian in ME1 was to show that Saren was studying indoctrination.
I know, I'm just restating what others were speculating.
My friend found something. In the Voice Cast Reveal trailer, at 3:36, Martin Sheen says: "Stay tuned, heh... I'm not done yet, LOL!"
I'm guessing this video was made after all the Voice Work was recorded. He's gotta be hinting towards something, since the Illusive Man is 'dead'.
Source:
Its been discussed a few times - but to go with this - at no point in the final talk with TIM do I feel like I'm talking to TIM. His character and mannerism is so not TIM.
My first playthrough before engaging in speculation on the interwebs that it was not TIM.
I'm also a strong believer that TIM is not indoctrinated and has some role to play in the ending.
TIM not indoctrinated
EDIT: That doesn't make sense but whatever floats your boat.
Personally I don't think it makes sense for TIM to be indoctrinated (just going to jot some stuff down more than response to you - but go for your life if you see somewhere thats wrong) - if IT ends up being true - then we haven't spoken to him at any point where its clear he is indoctrinated. He was still waging a private war with the Reapers mere hours earlier than when we launched the final assualt on the Cerberus base. If he was indoctrinated - I can't imagine the Reapers would let him get so close to mass distribution of a signal that disrupts / overides their control over husks.
Also - if IT is in play, then we can assume its been in play for a long time. Early trailers, media, previews etc all made clear that Cerberus was indoctrinated. The first time we encounter Cerberus in the game proper - its implied they're using Reaper tech, helping the reapers and generally all the way through everyone assumes they're indoctrinated and has done so for 12 months prior to release anyway.
Then in the last mission before point of no return, what do we learn, the REapers and TIM are battling it out and TIM has a way to interupt Reaper control. We launch final assault on Cerberus - no TIM, he's gone to the citadel. Cerberus done and dusted.
Next time we see TIM is in a very suspect scene after a very suspect series of events and everyone goes back to comfortable oh he was indeed indoctrinated just like we thought all along.
If the Indoctrinated theory is true, then my opinion on the ending completely changes. After I heard the theory, I immediately played all the endings. During control and synthesis, Shepard 'dissolves', but look at his eyes, they turn blue. My characters is brown. He gets the same eyes that TIM has. He's turning into a husk. Whereas in Destroy, he stops limping halfway through shooting the conduit, and the catylist fades out of existence. Not to mention that it is clearly London rubble that Shepard wakes up to. AND the fact that Andersons wound suddenly winds up on Shepard.
BTW, am I the only one who thought that TIM was like all half-husk in the end? I mean look at his skin.
No, you aren't the only one. It's good to see another critical thinker who considered the theory carefully and judged it on its merits rather than be close-minded and dismiss it completely.
It should be noted if all Shepard is witnessing is inside his mind, then what we see of TIM is created by Shepard himself, which makes sense since Shepard knows from the base TIM is using reaper upgrades, but it may not neccassirly be how he looks in reality.
I was wondering. I am currently replaying ME1, and I am on Feros. Is it possible that the Thorian has something to do with the Reapers? Considering they are both very old and both indoctrinate. It would be interesting if the Thorian species was one of the inspirations for the Reapers.
Is the species THAT old?
Some have speculated that the original organics that created Reapers were Thorians or that the Reapers discovered the abilities of the thorians and designed a mechanical version of it themselves.
The point of having the Thorian in ME1 was to show that Saren was studying indoctrination.
I thought the point of the Thorian was for Saren/Shep to get the cipher?
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