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Dwailing wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

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Ah, you're working off of Arian's Hypothesis/Theory that Shepard is actually doing something to affect the world around him because it's more of an actual hallucination rather than a hallucination dream.  But I'm working off the theory that Shepard is buried in rubble somewhere completely unconscious.  That would explain our differing opinions on the matter.


Save for the fact that I've never read Arian's Theory and this has been my own for some time, yes. That would explain it.


LOL, you haven't read his ending script?  This is blasphemy!  You must do so immediately! http://social.biowar.../index/12095313 


I don't make a habit of reading fanfic, regardless of its basis or intention. Just personal choice.

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I'm going to suscribe to Turbo_J's train of thought regarding Destroy and Reject though it's interesting to see what others come up with.

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Ya but Chakwas was close to Shepard to, so was Gabbie,Donnaly, and Adams.

Shepard hardly got to now James,Tranyor,Javik, and Cortez, yet Shepard know about the others way before Shepard meet his/her in ME3.

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masster blaster wrote...

Ya but Chakwas was close to Shepard to, so was Gabbie,Donnaly, and Adams.

Shepard hardly got to now James,Tranyor,Javik, and Cortez, yet Shepard know about the others way before Shepard meet his/her in ME3.


Just because they haven't known Shepard the longest doesn't mean they weren't close to him/her, look at the person who died on Virmire(VV?) after 3 years they still morning them and he/she barely knew them.

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masster blaster wrote...

Ya but Chakwas was close to Shepard to, so was Gabbie,Donnaly, and Adams.

Shepard hardly got to now James,Tranyor,Javik, and Cortez, yet Shepard know about the others way before Shepard meet his/her in ME3.


Debatable and as I said, it's unlikely they could fit everyone in the scene and make it look good so they had to cut it down to the people who fought side-by-side with Shepard. It's not that strange, maybe when the camera pans away we would be able to see Chakwas and everyone else standing a few steps back, giving the squaddies a moment to reflect. You just can't fit everybody in that tiny space.

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Dwailing wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

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I'll eventually put together a quote list from Shepard that exemplifies why this is a bad idea.

Think about it as representations of Spearheads mind.

TIM's option = control = the weakened and perhaps corrupted portion of Shepard's will.

Andersen's option = Destroy = the part of Shepard's mind that is intact and is truly Shepard's choice; it is not influenced by Reaper corruption. This is why Strabinger tried to dissuade Shepard - through TIM and then through direct dialog - from this choice.

Synthesis = Ultimate Reaper goal = Starbinger's most dressed up option.

Reject = Take no action. Just talk big and pout in front of the Indoctrination device until you get forcefully tossed on to a dragons tooth, shot, or are eaten by husks.

Remember, from an Indoctrination perspective Shepard is in London very likely drooling and mumbling to themselves in front of an Indoctrination beacon.


The reason that I view Rejection as another way is this: Destroy, while Starbinger does everything to dissuade you from choosing it short of telling you point blank to NOT do it, is an option it presents.  Rejection is refusing to play its game, saying that you'll find your own way.  Ever see a movie called Wargames?  Here's the scene that this reminds me of: 
 


From the Edit to my original reply...

Destroy the beacon, stop the intense signal, temporarily halt the
Indoctrination process so your team or field meds can call for evac.

I understand what you are saying, but part of Shepard's subconscious is still influencing the choices being presented. The logical one is Destroy. This is backed up by a low EMS  control only if Shep saved the Collector base. It's what he himself wanted, even if on a subconscious level.



Ah, you're working off of Arian's Hypothesis/Theory that Shepard is actually doing something to affect the world around him because it's more of an actual hallucination rather than a hallucination dream.  But I'm working off the theory that Shepard is buried in rubble somewhere completely unconscious.  That would explain our differing opinions on the matter.


While according to the breath scene it would make sense that Shepard did somehow destroyed the beam, I don't see Refuse in such a dark light.
Yes, it is a newly added way out (like some sort of alternative easter egg ending), but I don't think that it fails because Shepard is indecisive. If that were the case, then it is a terribly designed ending, as it would mark Shepard to me either as a hypocrite -- talking about not-giving a damn about the odds to only fail eventually -- or a brainless revoluzer -- he'd rather die and risk everyone else's life only to not bow down to 'the manmachine'.

That would be a first-timer in the trilogy.

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masster blaster wrote...

Ya but Chakwas was close to Shepard to, so was Gabbie,Donnaly, and Adams.

Shepard hardly got to now James,Tranyor,Javik, and Cortez, yet Shepard know about the others way before Shepard meet his/her in ME3.


You should take into consideration that with the exception of Adams, there is the possibility that a player didn't bring Chakwas, Gabbie, and Donnaly back to the Normandy. They aren't necessarily there for everyone's game.

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Dwailing wrote...

I'm still not completely certain where Rejection falls. I think it's another way to break free, but I'm not sure whether it's better than Destroy.


It's nice to see someone else is still undecided on reject. I've yet on an interpretation myself. Both sides of the debate make compelling points.

leonia42 wrote...

I'm not sure if they could render that many character models in a single cut scene, that or the memorial scene was intended to be "squad-only" because they were the closest to Shepard.


It could render that many. The PS3 might have trouble. It has superior processing power to the 360 but inferior RAM, and I believe RAM would more likely be the determining factor. I do believe either system and any decent PC could handle it though. Even if not, all that need be done is switch to lower poly count models for the time being.

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Xavendithas wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Ya but Chakwas was close to Shepard to, so was Gabbie,Donnaly, and Adams.

Shepard hardly got to now James,Tranyor,Javik, and Cortez, yet Shepard know about the others way before Shepard meet his/her in ME3.


You should take into consideration that with the exception of Adams, there is the possibility that a player didn't bring Chakwas, Gabbie, and Donnaly back to the Normandy. They aren't necessarily there for everyone's game.


Neither are Tali or Garrus, anless they use space :wizard: to appear if they die in ME2.

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While according to the breath scene it would make sense that Shepard did somehow destroyed the beam, I don't see Refuse in such a dark light.
Yes, it is a newly added way out (like some sort of alternative easter egg ending), but I don't think that it fails because Shepard is indecisive. If that were the case, then it is a terribly designed ending, as it would mark Shepard to me either as a hypocrite -- talking about not-giving a damn about the odds to only fail eventually -- or a brainless revoluzer -- he'd rather die and risk everyone else's life only to not bow down to 'the manmachine'.

That would be a first-timer in the trilogy.


I don't think it's that s/he is indecisive. The rejection ending seems to be Shepard stepping back and saying they are going to do things on his/her terms, and in the event that fails they will have the information to pass down to future cycles in the hopes of helping them defeat the Reapers on their own terms.

That said, I still think that even the rejection ending seems very OOC for Shep(granted every Shep is colored by the person controlling him/her). Shepard turning down a chance to destroy the Reapers and be done with it just seems....off.

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Rosewind wrote...

Xavendithas wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Ya but Chakwas was close to Shepard to, so was Gabbie,Donnaly, and Adams.

Shepard hardly got to now James,Tranyor,Javik, and Cortez, yet Shepard know about the others way before Shepard meet his/her in ME3.


You should take into consideration that with the exception of Adams, there is the possibility that a player didn't bring Chakwas, Gabbie, and Donnaly back to the Normandy. They aren't necessarily there for everyone's game.


Neither are Tali or Garrus, anless they use space :wizard: to appear if they die in ME2.


Does that happen in any of the variations of the end sequences? That would kind of stand out if all of a sudden a 'dead' crew member was there for the funeral.

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MaximizedAction wrote...

While according to the breath scene it would make sense that Shepard did somehow destroyed the beam, I don't see Refuse in such a dark light.
Yes, it is a newly added way out (like some sort of alternative easter egg ending), but I don't think that it fails because Shepard is indecisive. If that were the case, then it is a terribly designed ending, as it would mark Shepard to me either as a hypocrite -- talking about not-giving a damn about the odds to only fail eventually -- or a brainless revoluzer -- he'd rather die and risk everyone else's life only to not bow down to 'the manmachine'.

That would be a first-timer in the trilogy.


The problem is not Shepard's resolve or determination or resistance, it's the fact that the entire area could be bathed in an incredibly strong Indoctrination signal. This would prevent evac or perhaps anyone but EDI getting to Shepard if that beacon is not destroyed.

If I ever pick reject, I'll make sure I have EDI with me. Her and the Geth are about the only one's who could get near Shepard in a situation like that.

Ultimately, it depends on where one thinks Shep is in relation to the 'real' world.

Actually, even EDI would have issues as the body would likely be cut off from the Nomandy due to the signal. I guess it would be up to the Geth to get Shep out of the area on Reject... and for control and synthesis for that matter, as the beacon signal would still be running strong in those situations.

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Xavendithas wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

Xavendithas wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Ya but Chakwas was close to Shepard to, so was Gabbie,Donnaly, and Adams.

Shepard hardly got to now James,Tranyor,Javik, and Cortez, yet Shepard know about the others way before Shepard meet his/her in ME3.


You should take into consideration that with the exception of Adams, there is the possibility that a player didn't bring Chakwas, Gabbie, and Donnaly back to the Normandy. They aren't necessarily there for everyone's game.


Neither are Tali or Garrus, anless they use space :wizard: to appear if they die in ME2.


Does that happen in any of the variations of the end sequences? That would kind of stand out if all of a sudden a 'dead' crew member was there for the funeral.


No clue I meant not everyone will have Garrus and Tali in there game doesn't make them any less important for them to be there so why not chakwas, donelly and daniels.

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Is it just me, or has the EC made far more people realise that the catalyst, and the Control/Synthesis choices, are not to be trusted?

Dwailing wrote...

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Rosewind wrote...

*Swoon* Military camo is so sexy......


I was in the military for 3.5 years B)


*Girly giggle*


Yeah, well I'm an interdimensional traveler who's saved the world/galaxy/universe more times than I can count. :D  Plus, I ALSO used to fence.  Wasn't the best (Or even the better. ;)), but experience counts for something.  Oh, and then there's that business with being a dancer...


This afternoon, I got dragged 150 feet down a beach because I tried to launch my speedwing in 30mph of wind :lol:
True story...

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Turbo_J wrote...

Remember, from an Indoctrination perspective Shepard is in London very likely drooling and mumbling to themselves in front of an Indoctrination beacon.

Destroy the beacon, stop the intense signal, temporarily halt the Indoctrination process so your team or field meds can call for evac.


Actually, think about it. Look again at the run to the conduit. Specifically, the very end. We don't actually see Shepard fly up. The camera just darts upwards, but we can't see Shepard flying up.

Not to mention that there were notes or reports or something to that effect that people came back from the conduit. Changed, but they still came back from it. Yet in 'the Citadel' there are only corpses and keepers. Why were people being sent back? Why were people sent to the control panel of the Citadel of all things?

Simply put, the conduit is not a conduit, it's actually just an indoctrination beacon. And it's possibly even a direct connection to the reaper consensus. Anderson and TIM are both indoctrinated (remember Anderson's "The reapers brought us together" line?) so they could also be connected to the consensus at some level. Coates is dead on the citadel because the mind of the real Coates has been replaced by an indoctrinated doppelganger. Elements of the Citadel bear direct resemblance to things Shepard has already seen because, just like the geth concensus, elements are reproduced from the subject's memory.

Most promisingly, the geth consensus was a dream world where symbolic action within could have real consequence in meatspace. Just as shooting orange cubes reduced the reaper's hold over the geth, so could Shepard's decision in the concensus for the Crucible actually trigger the Crucible.

Recall that Hackett can't confirm whether Shepard is on the citadel or not. Just that "someone made it" and assumed from there. So yeah. Shepard's still on Earth, but their decisions within the dream can still have real consequences. The scenes with Hacket and the Normandy would all be real. What exactly the Starbrat is is clarified: another image from memory, used to give a face and voice to the concensus.

The only loose end would be the epilogue and memorial sequences. I still think they're not part of Shepard's dream, that the memorial scene is just a reflection of how plausible Shepard's survival seemed given the EMS applied and that the epilogues are just epilogues shown not for Shepard's benefit, but for the player's (just like all the text scrawls that introduced us to each game in the series).

I think this interpretation can finally mesh all the pieces. Shepard was on Earth for the breath scene, and the scenes in space that were literal. Not to mention this means that a Wake-Up DLC is not required either. What do you guys think of this?

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Simon_Says wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

Remember, from an Indoctrination perspective Shepard is in London very likely drooling and mumbling to themselves in front of an Indoctrination beacon.

Destroy the beacon, stop the intense signal, temporarily halt the Indoctrination process so your team or field meds can call for evac.


Actually, think about it. Look again at the run to the conduit. Specifically, the very end. We don't actually see Shepard fly up. The camera just darts upwards, but we can't see Shepard flying up.

Not to mention that there were notes or reports or something to that effect that people came back from the conduit. Changed, but they still came back from it. Yet in 'the Citadel' there are only corpses and keepers. Why were people being sent back? Why were people sent to the control panel of the Citadel of all things?

Simply put, the conduit is not a conduit, it's actually just an indoctrination beacon. And it's possibly even a direct connection to the reaper consensus. Anderson and TIM are both indoctrinated (remember Anderson's "The reapers brought us together" line?) so they could also be connected to the consensus at some level. Coates is dead on the citadel because the mind of the real Coates has been replaced by an indoctrinated doppelganger. Elements of the Citadel bear direct resemblance to things Shepard has already seen because, just like the geth concensus, elements are reproduced from the subject's memory.

Most promisingly, the geth consensus was a dream world where symbolic action within could have real consequence in meatspace. Just as shooting orange cubes reduced the reaper's hold over the geth, so could Shepard's decision in the concensus for the Crucible actually trigger the Crucible.

Recall that Hackett can't confirm whether Shepard is on the citadel or not. Just that "someone made it" and assumed from there. So yeah. Shepard's still on Earth, but their decisions within the dream can still have real consequences. The scenes with Hacket and the Normandy would all be real. What exactly the Starbrat is is clarified: another image from memory, used to give a face and voice to the concensus.

The only loose end would be the epilogue and memorial sequences. I still think they're not part of Shepard's dream, that the memorial scene is just a reflection of how plausible Shepard's survival seemed given the EMS applied and that the epilogues are just epilogues shown not for Shepard's benefit, but for the player's (just like all the text scrawls that introduced us to each game in the series).

I think this interpretation can finally mesh all the pieces. Shepard was on Earth for the breath scene, and the scenes in space that were literal. Not to mention this means that a Wake-Up DLC is not required either. What do you guys think of this?


Seems to be a mashing together of literal and Indoctrination interpretations again.

Simply put, from my perspective. Nothing happens but the following after the choice.

Control = Indoctrinated
Synthesis = Launched self on dragons tooth or something similar = Husk or soon to be Reaper goo
Destroy = Blew something up, got blown back about 20-30 feet and is under pile of rubble.
Reject = Stands in front of beam/beacon drooling and gets eaten by husks or shot by a Marauder

Beyond that, absolutely nothing happens in the 'real ME world'. It's all in Shepard's head.

Time passes in dreams/hallucinations much faster than reality, so the entire time Shep is there while the ending sequence plays out for the player may only be a few seconds to a few minutes.

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Simon_Says wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

Remember, from an Indoctrination perspective Shepard is in London very likely drooling and mumbling to themselves in front of an Indoctrination beacon.

Destroy the beacon, stop the intense signal, temporarily halt the Indoctrination process so your team or field meds can call for evac.


Actually, think about it. Look again at the run to the conduit. Specifically, the very end. We don't actually see Shepard fly up. The camera just darts upwards, but we can't see Shepard flying up.

Not to mention that there were notes or reports or something to that effect that people came back from the conduit. Changed, but they still came back from it. Yet in 'the Citadel' there are only corpses and keepers. Why were people being sent back? Why were people sent to the control panel of the Citadel of all things?

Simply put, the conduit is not a conduit, it's actually just an indoctrination beacon. And it's possibly even a direct connection to the reaper consensus. Anderson and TIM are both indoctrinated (remember Anderson's "The reapers brought us together" line?) so they could also be connected to the consensus at some level. Coates is dead on the citadel because the mind of the real Coates has been replaced by an indoctrinated doppelganger. Elements of the Citadel bear direct resemblance to things Shepard has already seen because, just like the geth concensus, elements are reproduced from the subject's memory.

Most promisingly, the geth consensus was a dream world where symbolic action within could have real consequence in meatspace. Just as shooting orange cubes reduced the reaper's hold over the geth, so could Shepard's decision in the concensus for the Crucible actually trigger the Crucible.

Recall that Hackett can't confirm whether Shepard is on the citadel or not. Just that "someone made it" and assumed from there. So yeah. Shepard's still on Earth, but their decisions within the dream can still have real consequences. The scenes with Hacket and the Normandy would all be real. What exactly the Starbrat is is clarified: another image from memory, used to give a face and voice to the concensus.

The only loose end would be the epilogue and memorial sequences. I still think they're not part of Shepard's dream, that the memorial scene is just a reflection of how plausible Shepard's survival seemed given the EMS applied and that the epilogues are just epilogues shown not for Shepard's benefit, but for the player's (just like all the text scrawls that introduced us to each game in the series).

I think this interpretation can finally mesh all the pieces. Shepard was on Earth for the breath scene, and the scenes in space that were literal. Not to mention this means that a Wake-Up DLC is not required either. What do you guys think of this?


I can imagine everything up to where you suggest that the Normandy scenes are real.

- Why would the Normandy even risk going down when there's the Big-boss Reaper in practically point-blank shooting range. It's just suicidal decending down without even trying some maneuvers. The more I think about it, this scene seems really like a carbon copy of the Leaving Earth scene.

- If I got you correctly, then you're suggesting that the memorial scene is real? The EMS argument makes no sense if there are differences for equal EMS (Control/Synth vs Destroy on high EMS: how can the crew distinguish a Control from a Destroy shockwave? If anything, since the Citadel remains intact in Control, then THIS is the ending where someone from the outside would assume Shepard to have survived).

But the rest seems okay to me. ;)

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Yes and no, the hallucination is his bio electrical transferral up to the ship, like being in a dream so real you can actually die within it, The other charactors there were only recordings(could you imagine what video games would be like in that reality?), other than the catalyst its self,a projecton, it's the only way of communicating with the catalyst. Sheppards body was down on the ground with the others, still alive, he didn't make it to the beam, if he had, he'd of been .. reaped. He was close enough to interact with the catalyst, in an altered state. Get to the catalyst, Sheppards prime directive and It all starts this time with the beacons. Sheppard was rejuvinated after his death at that collector attack for a reason, probably even unknown to the illusive man, who is merely a dupe for the catalyst, brought him back for a purpose. Maybe the Prothieans had a hand in it some how, just as they did by introducing the crucible building kit. This stuff has been replaying like a broken record for millions of years. Sheppard entity is bound to it. There is no need to 'control' Sheppard, the system of events does that quite nicely..no need to replay liaras home movie after all.

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What's up? Posted Image

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BioWare released the EC soundtrack for free:
http://social.biowar...csoundtrack.php

Modifié par paxxton, 06 juillet 2012 - 05:47 .


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and the Catalyst theme is named "wake up". Interesting...

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paxxton wrote...

What's up? Posted Image


Hey!

For example, just found this: social.bioware.com/me3ecsoundtrack.php

Awww yeah!

EDIT: How...how did you...argh. :ph34r:'d

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 06 juillet 2012 - 05:51 .


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Turbo_J wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

While according to the breath scene it would make sense that Shepard did somehow destroyed the beam, I don't see Refuse in such a dark light.
Yes, it is a newly added way out (like some sort of alternative easter egg ending), but I don't think that it fails because Shepard is indecisive. If that were the case, then it is a terribly designed ending, as it would mark Shepard to me either as a hypocrite -- talking about not-giving a damn about the odds to only fail eventually -- or a brainless revoluzer -- he'd rather die and risk everyone else's life only to not bow down to 'the manmachine'.

That would be a first-timer in the trilogy.


The problem is not Shepard's resolve or determination or resistance, it's the fact that the entire area could be bathed in an incredibly strong Indoctrination signal. This would prevent evac or perhaps anyone but EDI getting to Shepard if that beacon is not destroyed.

If I ever pick reject, I'll make sure I have EDI with me. Her and the Geth are about the only one's who could get near Shepard in a situation like that.

Ultimately, it depends on where one thinks Shep is in relation to the 'real' world.

Actually, even EDI would have issues as the body would likely be cut off from the Nomandy due to the signal. I guess it would be up to the Geth to get Shep out of the area on Reject... and for control and synthesis for that matter, as the beacon signal would still be running strong in those situations.

Hey you reminded me of something I read. It said something about who you have in your squad at the end has drastic changes to the endings/ending options. Sorry I don't have a link or anything just something I read/something to think about.

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MaximizedAction wrote...

paxxton wrote...

What's up? Posted Image


Hey!

For example, just found this: social.bioware.com/me3ecsoundtrack.php

Awww yeah!

EDIT: How...how did you...argh. :ph34r:'d

Magic of the Internet Posted Image

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MaximizedAction wrote...

Simon_Says wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

Remember, from an Indoctrination perspective Shepard is in London very likely drooling and mumbling to themselves in front of an Indoctrination beacon.

Destroy the beacon, stop the intense signal, temporarily halt the Indoctrination process so your team or field meds can call for evac.


Actually, think about it. Look again at the run to the conduit. Specifically, the very end. We don't actually see Shepard fly up. The camera just darts upwards, but we can't see Shepard flying up.

Not to mention that there were notes or reports or something to that effect that people came back from the conduit. Changed, but they still came back from it. Yet in 'the Citadel' there are only corpses and keepers. Why were people being sent back? Why were people sent to the control panel of the Citadel of all things?

Simply put, the conduit is not a conduit, it's actually just an indoctrination beacon. And it's possibly even a direct connection to the reaper consensus. Anderson and TIM are both indoctrinated (remember Anderson's "The reapers brought us together" line?) so they could also be connected to the consensus at some level. Coates is dead on the citadel because the mind of the real Coates has been replaced by an indoctrinated doppelganger. Elements of the Citadel bear direct resemblance to things Shepard has already seen because, just like the geth concensus, elements are reproduced from the subject's memory.

Most promisingly, the geth consensus was a dream world where symbolic action within could have real consequence in meatspace. Just as shooting orange cubes reduced the reaper's hold over the geth, so could Shepard's decision in the concensus for the Crucible actually trigger the Crucible.

Recall that Hackett can't confirm whether Shepard is on the citadel or not. Just that "someone made it" and assumed from there. So yeah. Shepard's still on Earth, but their decisions within the dream can still have real consequences. The scenes with Hacket and the Normandy would all be real. What exactly the Starbrat is is clarified: another image from memory, used to give a face and voice to the concensus.

The only loose end would be the epilogue and memorial sequences. I still think they're not part of Shepard's dream, that the memorial scene is just a reflection of how plausible Shepard's survival seemed given the EMS applied and that the epilogues are just epilogues shown not for Shepard's benefit, but for the player's (just like all the text scrawls that introduced us to each game in the series).

I think this interpretation can finally mesh all the pieces. Shepard was on Earth for the breath scene, and the scenes in space that were literal. Not to mention this means that a Wake-Up DLC is not required either. What do you guys think of this?


I can imagine everything up to where you suggest that the Normandy scenes are real.

- Why would the Normandy even risk going down when there's the Big-boss Reaper in practically point-blank shooting range. It's just suicidal decending down without even trying some maneuvers. The more I think about it, this scene seems really like a carbon copy of the Leaving Earth scene.

- If I got you correctly, then you're suggesting that the memorial scene is real? The EMS argument makes no sense if there are differences for equal EMS (Control/Synth vs Destroy on high EMS: how can the crew distinguish a Control from a Destroy shockwave? If anything, since the Citadel remains intact in Control, then THIS is the ending where someone from the outside would assume Shepard to have survived).

But the rest seems okay to me. ;)

Good point about control. Also, I have also noticed recently how similar the ending is to Vancouver.Posted Image