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[Rifneno]

SubAstris wrote...

zigamortis wrote...

If you ask me the literalists are the ones who are really in denial.

Stop fanning the flames and get down to debating the evidence.

You're aware that handwaving everything as irrelevant because it doesn't fit your interpretation doesn't qualify as debating right?

[XanderLav]

paxxton wrote...

I think that IT is great but hiding it for too long is a mistake by BioWare. They should confirm it or deny it during SDCC.

It probably wont hapeen at SDCC, I cant see them verbaly confirming or denying IT. It more likely to be adressed in upcoming DLC's.

It's like this: your friend is currently reading a book which you already finished and He comes up and says: Hey, haven't finished the book yet, but will this, this and taht happen in final chapter?
What is the smart way to go about it? Confirm and spoil experience for your friend or avoid and maybe drop some hints?

[legaldinho]

As I've said a million times to utterly zero effect and only dismay... there is no "confirm/deny". There was never going to be a "gotcha" ending where IT is revealed. They made this ending. Yes, they left clues about indoctrination. No, they won't tell us the answer. Not until well after they've milked a handful of ten dollar DLCs out of us, maybe not even after the next $60 purchase.

There is no reveal. You are chasing a fantasy. But that doesn't make the IT interpretation not true. it's possible to make an ending with TWO alternative interpretations.

Ach, never mind. No one listens to me anyway.

[SubAstris]

Rifneno wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

zigamortis wrote...

If you ask me the literalists are the ones who are really in denial.

Stop fanning the flames and get down to debating the evidence.

You're aware that handwaving everything as irrelevant because it doesn't fit your interpretation doesn't qualify as debating right?

Sorry, what? I was just making a small point

[Priss Blackburne]

FellishBeast wrote...

legaldinho wrote...

XxDarkTimexX wrote...

all the EC did is answer a few
things like how did my companions got on the normady, also how did
everyone suvive but it didn't answer anything to the IT was saying to
the endings at all like why did harby leave, how is shepard alive, why
is the beams start from the viper nebula and not the local cluster.

"why does the english language distinguish between the singular and plural?" is plainly a question the ending should have answered, in your case.

I haven't dismissed IT yet, but I wouldn't go so far as to say EC added more evidence for IT. I would say that it did add things that cause us to wonder if something fishy isn't going on; something that hasn't yet been revealed to us (and yes, IT would suggest something along these lines, obviously). But EC also did, unquestioningly, remove some evidence we used for IT, but it didn't kill it.

I believe something weird is afoot. Whether it is IT or not, I am hoping it will lead to a sensibly satisfying ending that proves BioWare haven't gone off the deep end completely.

I am behind IT, but I would love to see some more open minds in here. Maybe speculate where the evidence takes us rather than just making it fit IT. I've seen some amazingideas come up that way. 

If IT is the "true religion" (joking ), then the evidence will reveal that! 

It would be so much easier with a movie. In a video game you have to be careful to take into consideration bugs and game engine limitations.

The fact that the noise it makes when TIM is trying to control you is actually a reaper "honk" at half speed. could just be reusing sound assets, the fact TIM is using reaper like indoctrination on you, or maybe your being indoctrinated by a reaper.

I do hope we get an answer sometime soon. I'd hate to have to wait 20 years to get an answer.

[paxxton]

XanderLav wrote...

paxxton wrote...

I think that IT is great but hiding it for too long is a mistake by BioWare. They should confirm it or deny it during SDCC.

It probably wont hapeen at SDCC, I cant see them verbaly confirming or denying IT. It more likely to be adressed in upcoming DLC's.

It's like this: your friend is currently reading a book which you already finished and He comes up and says: Hey, haven't finished the book yet, but will this, this and taht happen in final chapter?
What is the smart way to go about it? Confirm and spoil experience for your friend or avoid and maybe drop some hints?

The best way is to warn him/her that the answer will spoil the pleasure of reading and if (s)he still wants it just tell him/her. Unless you suspect your friend is unaware of what (s)he's doing.

Modifié par paxxton, 06 juillet 2012 - 10:15 .

[TSA_383]

Andromidius wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

Something just occured to me - you know that whole thing with the screens we were talking about where things split into RGB colours?

That happens on a bunch of slides in the synthesis ending, it becomes obvious that things aren't quite real...

What's this?  Did I miss something, because I don't know what you're talking about!

Take a look at the edges of the synthesis slides - I'll screenshot the videos later if you need - and you can see the edges break down into RGB like all the screens in mass effect seem to...

Priss Blackburne wrote...

I wish I knew how to upload
sounds...been fooling around with the sounds a bit looking for the
whisper sounds from dream and anything with the catalyst.

Found
the sounds you hear when TIM is talking to you. Just for fun set the
pitch higher and made it speed up by twice the speed and it sounds
exactly like the reaper ..er honking noise they make. It may simply be
reusing current sound files they have for other purposes but I find it
interesting.

I've been using sendspace.com to upload files, that's worth a go.

[paxxton]

SubAstris wrote...

paxxton wrote...

I think that IT is great but hiding it for too long is a mistake by BioWare. They should confirm it or deny it during SDCC.

They won't outright deny or confirm if someone says "is IT true? Best chance anyone has is to ask question such as, "Is Shepard on the Citadel or still at London at the end?" because you might be able to catch someone who is not too familiar with IT off their guard

I'm afraid they won't confirm or deny it but it would be nice if they confirmed it..

Modifié par paxxton, 06 juillet 2012 - 10:18 .

[Priss Blackburne]

TSA_383 wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

Something just occured to me - you know that whole thing with the screens we were talking about where things split into RGB colours?

That happens on a bunch of slides in the synthesis ending, it becomes obvious that things aren't quite real...

What's this?  Did I miss something, because I don't know what you're talking about!

Take a look at the edges of the synthesis slides - I'll screenshot the videos later if you need - and you can see the edges break down into RGB like all the screens in mass effect seem to...

Priss Blackburne wrote...

I wish I knew how to upload
sounds...been fooling around with the sounds a bit looking for the
whisper sounds from dream and anything with the catalyst.

Found
the sounds you hear when TIM is talking to you. Just for fun set the
pitch higher and made it speed up by twice the speed and it sounds
exactly like the reaper ..er honking noise they make. It may simply be
reusing current sound files they have for other purposes but I find it
interesting.

I've been using sendspace.com to upload files, that's worth a go.

I'm also worried about uploading game asset files, even if it's just a wave file for a sound effect. I think I'm fine having it on my own computer but could get into a sticky situation uploading it.

[MaximizedAction]

TSA_383 wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

Something just occured to me - you know that whole thing with the screens we were talking about where things split into RGB colours?

That happens on a bunch of slides in the synthesis ending, it becomes obvious that things aren't quite real...

What's this?  Did I miss something, because I don't know what you're talking about!

Take a look at the edges of the synthesis slides - I'll screenshot the videos later if you need - and you can see the edges break down into RGB like all the screens in mass effect seem to...

Not trying to be a dealbreaker, but it only being in Synthesis doesn't really imply IT, as it emphasizes the merging between organics and 'computers'. Hence, everything looking like seen from a computer screen. Or at least, that's my sceptical take on it.

[Dwailing]

dreamgazer wrote...

XanderLav wrote...

Apparently Refuse ending does not unlock Insanity play thorough achievement.
So either BW forgot about it and didn't connect ending to the achievement or
Refuse is not a complete ending and will be expended through DLCs.

Oh, now that's interesting.

Well now isn't THAT an interesting little occurance.

[Priss Blackburne]

Dwailing wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

XanderLav wrote...

Apparently Refuse ending does not unlock Insanity play thorough achievement.
So either BW forgot about it and didn't connect ending to the achievement or
Refuse is not a complete ending and will be expended through DLCs.

Oh, now that's interesting.

Well now isn't THAT an interesting little occurance.

I wouldn't read too much into it. It's most likely a bug given that it is a added ending not originaly intended. Someone just forgot to flag it for the achievment. Or it may have proven too difficult to tie into that achievment.

To change the achievment would most likely need a patch of the game files like the .exe. Since they EC is an optional DLC ( no idea why since it doesn't change the endings at all ) they may not have been able to add it with the download but add it later with a patch to the game itself.

[Dwailing]

Priss Blackburne wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

XanderLav wrote...

Apparently Refuse ending does not unlock Insanity play thorough achievement.
So either BW forgot about it and didn't connect ending to the achievement or
Refuse is not a complete ending and will be expended through DLCs.

Oh, now that's interesting.

Well now isn't THAT an interesting little occurance.

I wouldn't read too much into it. It's most likely a bug given that it is a added ending not originaly intended. Someone just forgot to flag it for the achievment. Or it may have proven too difficult to tie into that achievment.

To change the achievment would most likely need a patch of the game files like the .exe. Since they EC is an optional DLC ( no idea why since it doesn't change the endings at all ) they may not have been able to add it with the download but add it later with a patch to the game itself.

Still, it seems weird that they would miss that given that they had THREE FRAKKING MONTHS to make the dang thing.

[Trollgunner]

Guys (And Girls, if any), just downloaded EC music score. Well, what can I tell.
First of all, "Wake Up" song. Pretty much everything in the name.

Second, after listening to "I Will Watch Over The Ones That Live On"...hm...that's NOT happy or victory music. It's like, a sad ending in the movie. . . It's hard to explain, really, but with my ear ( i'm a musician) I can tell that's it was created not for Good Ending.

"I Am Alive And Not Alone". Do you remember the Normandy escape scene and music rise when red/blue/green wave is catching up with Normandy? In this song it's like entire sequence is getting us ready for that rise. Mb its me overthinking but listening that rise, just after this songs sounds pretty much alike.

"An end, once and for all" Ok, bioware. Smart move. Where is my rise? The one where RGB wave cathing with Normandy? Why are we getting falling sequence instead? Not gonna talk about it.

" A Future That Many Will Never See" -______- Listened with that face. Ok, in other endings I got ehm...."Not so good as it see- heard " feeling. In this? Why this music is filled with a Spirit of Pride and Victory? I don't know. And why it ended. . . like, "Oh, here should be the best part! Main Verse!. . . Wait, it ended??!" Not complete.
That's just my thoughts and feelings about EC score, I suggest you to dl it and listen.

P.S sorry for the long post, and if you find any mistakes, let me know. Not my native language ^^ Not even close.

Modifié par Trollgunner, 06 juillet 2012 - 10:35 .

[plfranke]

Guys Refusal is foreshadowed as indoctrination in the game! On Thessia when you accuse TIM of being indoctrinated he says "I could say the same thing about you, fighting a battle you can't win."

[gunslinger_ruiz]

Hm, looks like no Operation this weekend. Odd thing, devoting resources to SDCC? Anyway, hope they do one next weekend. I was looking forward to keeping Reaper ass toward a goal <.<

[JasonSic]

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

Hm, looks like no Operation this weekend. Odd thing, devoting resources to SDCC? Anyway, hope they do one next weekend. I was looking forward to keeping Reaper ass toward a goal <.<

They are doing one next weekend. Chris said there isn't one this weekend because Canada Day and Independence Day were this week.

[Trollgunner]

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

Hm, looks like no Operation this weekend. Odd thing, devoting resources to SDCC? Anyway, hope they do one next weekend. I was looking forward to keeping Reaper ass toward a goal <.<

They are working on a new MP DLC, check news. "ME3 on San-Diego comic-con"
Quote:
"Visitors will be able to play NEW MP DLC"

Modifié par Trollgunner, 06 juillet 2012 - 10:39 .

[paxxton]

plfranke wrote...

Guys Refusal is foreshadowed as indoctrination in the game! On Thessia when you accuse TIM of being indoctrinated he says "I could say the same thing about you, fighting a battle you can't win."

Interesting...

[TSA_383]

Trollgunner wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

Hm, looks like no Operation this weekend. Odd thing, devoting resources to SDCC? Anyway, hope they do one next weekend. I was looking forward to keeping Reaper ass toward a goal <.<

They are working on a new MP DLC, check news. "ME3 on San-Diego comic-con"
Quote:
"Visitors will be able to play NEW MP DLC"

¬_¬

Seriously Bioware, just get on and wrap up the story.

Trollgunner wrote...

Guys (And Girls, if any), just downloaded EC music score. Well, what can I tell.
First of all, "Wake Up" song. Pretty much everything in the name.

Second, after listening to "I Will Watch Over The Ones That Live On"...hm...that's
NOT happy or victory music. It's like, a sad ending in the movie. . .
It's hard to explain, really, but with my ear ( i'm a musician) I can
tell that's it was created not for Good Ending.

"I Am Alive And Not Alone".
Do you remember the Normandy escape scene and music rise when
red/blue/green wave is catching up with Normandy? In this song it's like
entire sequence is getting us ready for that rise. Mb its me
overthinking but listening that rise, just after this songs sounds
pretty much alike.

"An end, once and for all" Ok, bioware.
Smart move. Where is my rise? The one where RGB wave cathing with
Normandy? Why are we getting falling sequence instead? Not gonna talk
about it.

" A Future That Many Will Never See" -______-
Listened with that face. Ok, in other endings I got ehm...."Not so good
as it see- heard " feeling. In this? Why this music is filled with a
Spirit of Pride and Victory? I don't know. And why it ended. . . like,
"Oh, here should be the best part! Main Verse!. . . Wait, it ended??!"
Not complete.
That's just my thoughts and feelings about EC score, I suggest you to dl it and listen.

P.S sorry for the long post, and if you find any mistakes, let me know. Not my native language ^^ Not even close.

Also, surely it's an interesting point to note that the music is only continuous for destroy (and to a lesser extent refuse) - that is, for control and synthesis endings it veers off to a wildly different piece of music, whereas for destroy ("A future that many will never see") it is largely consistent.

[gunslinger_ruiz]

JasonSic wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

Hm, looks like no Operation this weekend. Odd thing, devoting resources to SDCC? Anyway, hope they do one next weekend. I was looking forward to keeping Reaper ass toward a goal <.<

They are doing one next weekend. Chris said there isn't one this weekend because Canada Day and Independence Day were this week.

Ah right the whole Holidays thing heh... forgot about that. Wondering what the next op will be though, more unique kills? Maybe something to do with new DLC if it's out by then. I'm kinda hoping we get another shot at the Banshee goal, but maybe just not 3 million goal this time...

Still thinking on how they'd tie it to the main story, and lead up to Earth MP DLC. But still treating that as rumor until I see it.

[Trollgunner]

TSA_383 wrote...

Also, surely it's an interesting point to note that the music is only continuous for destroy (and to a lesser extent refuse) - that is, for control and synthesis endings it veers off to a wildly different piece of music, whereas for destroy ("A future that many will never see") it is largely consistent.

Yeah, difference is quite noticable. Like a log in the eye. Listened to 2 more songs.
Just analyzed "We Fought As United Galaxy".
It's sad song with . Like "We will remember all those who fought bravely and didn't survive, but that wasn't in vain! We have confidence in our victory!"  
"Resolution"
Well,  that really sounds as resolution. Quite, not blazing, as tranquill fire. Nice song. Got nothing to say. 

EDIT: Taking back words about "Re****ion". I got something to say. "Resolution" and "A Future That Many Will Never See" sound quite simillar. If you listen to both one after another you will notice.

Modifié par Trollgunner, 06 juillet 2012 - 10:59 .

[zigamortis]

Can anyone or has anyone went flycam in the breath scene?

[Rifneno]

legaldinho wrote...

As I've said a million times to utterly zero effect and only dismay... there is no "confirm/deny". There was never going to be a "gotcha" ending where IT is revealed. They made this ending. Yes, they left clues about indoctrination. No, they won't tell us the answer. Not until well after they've milked a handful of ten dollar DLCs out of us, maybe not even after the next $60 purchase.

There is no reveal. You are chasing a fantasy. But that doesn't make the IT interpretation not true. it's possible to make an ending with TWO alternative interpretations.

Ach, never mind. No one listens to me anyway.

There's a good reason no one listens to you.  You're proclaiming an opinion with no basis as fact.

[Priss Blackburne]

Is it just me or is the destroy the only one that actually sounds like the Mass Effect theme music.