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[DoomsdayDevice]

I'm confused by the EC ending stuff.

I had a high EMS destroy ending (7900+), both Jack & Miranda were loyal & alive in my playthroughs.

I didn't see them in the ending. No Jack or Miranda.

But do you only see them when they were a love interest? Why? You see everyone else! (At least, I did). I used the biotics kids for support, by the way.

And I'm not sure why Kasumi is looking at that thing in my ending. I'm pretty sure I destroyed it.

[Nightingale]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

DrTsoni wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

DrTsoni wrote...

It's a little weird how they choose which slides go for which endings, if you ask me. I got both Kasumi and Zaeed in my original Destroy, as well as Jacob despite only talking to him twice the entire way through ME2 (for the Normandy upgrade and his loyalty) and never talking to him in ME3 outside of doing his side-mission itself. I expected Miranda, since I harassed her throughout both games to the point I doubt she got any work done I understand that, at least, since she doesn't seem to have an ending for Destroy (which sucks and she should, even if she's on the run or something like she implies in the FOB) but some of the others didn't make much more sense.

Afaik slides are based on loyalty mission and if they survived.

I get that - at least, I assumed that's how it was - but I had everyone alive and loyal (except the ones you can't save; ie Mordin for curing the Genophage, Legion and Thane) and I still didn't even get to see some of them. It's like some take priority over others for seemingly no apparent reason.

My guess is for every group of slides there are always x slides to fit with any voice over. The slides are most likely checked on a random but predefined order (could be based on when they were implemented).
For example when I choose control and Shep is talking about the lost ones she never forgets my screen is just black after the Legion, Mordin, Helmet slides.

It's always like that, even if you've lost almost everyone. But yeah, you're probably right. It's just that predefined order I don't understand. It just feels so random for some of them.

[Nightingale]

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

I'm confused by the EC ending stuff.

I had a high EMS destroy ending (7900+), both Jack & Miranda were loyal & alive in my playthroughs.

I didn't see them in the ending. No Jack or Miranda.

But do you only see them when they were a love interest? Why? You see everyone else! (At least, I did). I used the biotics kids for support, by the way.

And I'm not sure why Kasumi is looking at that thing in my ending. I'm pretty sure I destroyed it.

Pretty sure it's a known bug. I got Jack (where the kids survive) but no Miranda and I'm pretty sure that's how it was meant to be.

[TJBartlemus]

 Ummm....I don't know what to make of this guy. And his points. He seems to have thought Starchild out a lot. If Arian is still here, I would recommend that he see this. 

http://social.biowar.../index/13006636

I know just looking at a little of it I know he has got some things wrong about the Catalyst, but I can't even start a response without feeling I'm missing something else wrong with it. Arian I feel should be up to the challenge. As well with anyone else willing to try.

Modifié par TJBartlemus, 07 juillet 2012 - 04:00 .

[Arian Dynas]

TJBartlemus wrote...

 Ummm....I don't know what to make of this guy. And his points. He seems to have thought Starchild out a lot. If Arian is still here, I would recommend that he see this. 

http://social.biowar.../index/13006636

I know just looking at a little of it I know he has got some things wrong about the Catalyst, but I can't even start a response without feeling I'm missing something else wrong with it. Arian I feel should be up to the challenge. As well with anyone else willing to try.

I'm not here, leave a message.


Translation: Like HELL I'm even going to TRY going up against THAT! Jesus **** the guy has so much there that he put SUBHEADERS.

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay not worth my time to untangle THAT ungodly mess.

Modifié par Arian Dynas, 07 juillet 2012 - 04:12 .

[masster blaster]

TJBartlemus wrote...

 Ummm....I don't know what to make of this guy. And his points. He seems to have thought Starchild out a lot. If Arian is still here, I would recommend that he see this. 

http://social.biowar.../index/13006636

Ya but he is wrong. if Hitler, or any body in history were to say that they did this to maintain the balance. Would you excepte their offer if they gave us the three end chocies, yet diffrent.

[Nightingale]

masster blaster wrote...

You know instead of the Stargazer it should be Wrex ( if he survived in ME1) and should be telling about Shepard the Hero of the krogan ( if cured the Genophage) and give a speech about Shepard, and a mysteries Child say's "can you tell us another story about the Shepard?"

Wrex smiles " why don"t you ask your Dad (or Mom for female Shepard) about the Shepard.

This is for only for Destroy if you have high EMS.

Ever since Banshee left I have been comeing on the top of a page once and a while. So this makes it the third time to day.

Edit [Shepard apper's right behind Wrex]

It's meant to be vague when that scene takes place. The breath scene is intended to be equally vague and depending on the romances, that may not even be possible. There'd be too many variables for this to work.

[masster blaster]

DrTsoni wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

You know instead of the Stargazer it should be Wrex ( if he survived in ME1) and should be telling about Shepard the Hero of the krogan ( if cured the Genophage) and give a speech about Shepard, and a mysteries Child say's "can you tell us another story about the Shepard?"

Wrex smiles " why don"t you ask your Dad (or Mom for female Shepard) about the Shepard.

This is for only for Destroy if you have high EMS.

Ever since Banshee left I have been comeing on the top of a page once and a while. So this makes it the third time to day.

Edit [Shepard apper's right behind Wrex]

It's meant to be vague when that scene takes place. The breath scene is intended to be equally vague and depending on the romances, that may not even be possible. There'd be too many variables for this to work.

Ya but if this was the real deal. i would have this instead of the Stargazer scene

oh and what's to say that a rogue Reaper won"t kill Shepard in Control since we know that Reapers can defect from the Catalyst hence forth the Leviathan DLC in the EC files.

Modifié par masster blaster, 07 juillet 2012 - 04:49 .

[masster blaster]

Arian Dynas wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

 Ummm....I don't know what to make of this guy. And his points. He seems to have thought Starchild out a lot. If Arian is still here, I would recommend that he see this. 

http://social.biowar.../index/13006636

I know just looking at a little of it I know he has got some things wrong about the Catalyst, but I can't even start a response without feeling I'm missing something else wrong with it. Arian I feel should be up to the challenge. As well with anyone else willing to try.

I'm not here, leave a message.

Oh but he forgot why WE are in this HELL of a WAR.

It’s this Catalyst that we have lost so many people, and to many have died in
the last F****** 100000 to I have no F***** clue of how many cycles there has
been. And you know what What's to say that if the Reapers want to start
Reapering again since they ARE NOW INDEPENDENT ( even though they
always have been since ME1).



Why do people fall for this crap " Oh he's right" Bull****.



We made peace with the Geth and there creators, even though it deems it impossible.
We are fighting the Reapers with Organics and Synthetics just to bring down the
Reapers,and to top it all.



The catalyst attacked Shepard’s friends.

 Made me choices
between Ash and kadin.

Made the Rachni fight the other races.


Oh and forced the Geth to fight with the Reapers, and fight their creators, since the Geth did not want to.

Got the SR1 Normandy blow up along with 20 of the best and
finest crew members to have served with Shepard.

Anderson
is dead ( supposedly) so that pisses me of .

Thane did because TIM/kai Leng were Indoctrinated.

legion died because of the stupid Reaper codes.

Mordin I could have saved if that stupid Reaper was not
there at all.



oh and so many people died that My Shepard and many other Shepard’s have fought
to save them, only to find out in the news articles that they died defending the
weak and stopping the Reapers at ALL COST.



Regger.

Thomas.

Tombs.

The Primarcs Son.

The one Krogan that Shepard could have gotten the Asari with that Krogan.

And many more that have died just to stop the Reapers.

Bailys family could be dead or alive on Earth.

Samaras other daughter is dead because of the Catalyst and his Reapers.



So I want the Catalyst to look at all of the Damage that it has created. All of
the children that will live on without Parents. All of the families that have
been torn apart, and have been Reappraised. And all of the other CYCLES that
have given everything they got to just stop the Reapers from Reappearing their family’s
and to be turned into a husk.

oh and WHY THE HELL doesn't the Catalyst stop and SEE that " Oh so Organics and Synthetics have gotten past the kill each other and are friends now. So I can stop the Reapers, since the conflict is over."

Oh and by the way if the Reapes want to be save, then Death is a saving grace for them because all of the people/Synthetics that are inside the Reapes can find peace in the other world.

Oh and one last thing. IT KILLED YOU(Shepard)BY ORDERING THE COLLECTORS TO ATTACK THE SR1 NORMANDY.

oh and what's to say that a rogue Reaper won"t kill Shepard in Control
since we know that Reapers can defect from the Catalyst hence forth the
Leviathan DLC in the EC files.

i mean on afence but come on why would you trust the Catlyst and look at IT look at all of the evidence that is there in the Game, and REMEMBER that to many have did all because of the Catalyst and it's Reaper abominations, and Shepard did not just become a Reaper, with out Billions of Humans to be processed. so sorry for being a jerk but come on.

Modifié par masster blaster, 07 juillet 2012 - 04:52 .

[zigamortis]

Arian Dynas wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

 Ummm....I don't know what to make of this guy. And his points. He seems to have thought Starchild out a lot. If Arian is still here, I would recommend that he see this. 

http://social.biowar.../index/13006636

I know just looking at a little of it I know he has got some things wrong about the Catalyst, but I can't even start a response without feeling I'm missing something else wrong with it. Arian I feel should be up to the challenge. As well with anyone else willing to try.

I'm not here, leave a message.


Translation: Like HELL I'm even going to TRY going up against THAT! Jesus **** the guy has so much there that he put SUBHEADERS.

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay not worth my time to untangle THAT ungodly mess.

Does that mean hes right?

[estebanus]

Hey, guys.

Anything new in the past days?

[TJBartlemus]

 Something I've been thinking about the Reapers. First they are a combination of Synthetic and organic. To make a Reaper it requires organic goo. Now what is this goo for? You don't see gooey Reapers. You see mechanical monsters. (Synthetic) So this material is used for internal. The Catalyst claims that the Reapers are ascended organics. Last time I checked goo doesn't think. I believe instead that the goo provides knowledge and a source of energy but not sentience. The knowledge is used to continue for the Reapers to evolve mentally with strategies and new technology to bend into their own. The energy is used for the Reapers to function. They cannot have an unlimited source of energy in ME. That doesn't exist. That's why they allow organics to evolve to harvest them, to continue their survival. So since the goo doesn't provide sentience, a synthetic mind is needed. I believe the Reapers minds function similar to the geth but much more advanced. And then the Catalyst is the overseer of all of them with his combined intelligence of all Reapers, so he runs the show. 

It is also possible that all the reaper intelligences are fragments of the AI's intelliegence. In the halo series it is shown that AI are able to fragment portions of their selves into different locations while the original watches over all of it.

Speculations??

[TJBartlemus]

Arian Dynas wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

 Ummm....I don't know what to make of this guy. And his points. He seems to have thought Starchild out a lot. If Arian is still here, I would recommend that he see this. 

http://social.biowar.../index/13006636

I know just looking at a little of it I know he has got some things wrong about the Catalyst, but I can't even start a response without feeling I'm missing something else wrong with it. Arian I feel should be up to the challenge. As well with anyone else willing to try.

I'm not here, leave a message.


Translation: Like HELL I'm even going to TRY going up against THAT! Jesus **** the guy has so much there that he put SUBHEADERS.

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay not worth my time to untangle THAT ungodly mess.

Yeah, that's what I thought. So I assumed you would have a better chance at it but it was as bad as I thought.  Doesn't mean he's right, but there is so much to sift through it would take forever to correct everything. 

Modifié par TJBartlemus, 07 juillet 2012 - 04:54 .

[Arian Dynas]

zigamortis wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

 Ummm....I don't know what to make of this guy. And his points. He seems to have thought Starchild out a lot. If Arian is still here, I would recommend that he see this. 

http://social.biowar.../index/13006636

I know just looking at a little of it I know he has got some things wrong about the Catalyst, but I can't even start a response without feeling I'm missing something else wrong with it. Arian I feel should be up to the challenge. As well with anyone else willing to try.

I'm not here, leave a message.


Translation: Like HELL I'm even going to TRY going up against THAT! Jesus **** the guy has so much there that he put SUBHEADERS.

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay not worth my time to untangle THAT ungodly mess.

Does that mean hes right?

No, it means I REALLY don't want to take the time to read several pages worth of extremely dense nonsense, giving point by point refutations and breaking into a thread that is by it's very nature and definition, a circlejerk.

[Arian Dynas]

TJBartlemus wrote...

 Something I've been thinking about the Reapers. First they are a combination of Synthetic and organic. To make a Reaper it requires organic goo. Now what is this goo for? You don't see gooey Reapers. You see mechanical monsters. (Synthetic) So this material is used for internal. The Catalyst claims that the Reapers are ascended organics. Last time I checked goo doesn't think. I believe instead that the goo provides knowledge and a source of energy but not sentience. The knowledge is used to continue for the Reapers to evolve mentally with strategies and new technology to bend into their own. The energy is used for the Reapers to function. They cannot have an unlimited source of energy in ME. That doesn't exist. That's why they allow organics to evolve to harvest them, to continue their survival. So since the goo doesn't provide sentience, a synthetic mind is needed. I believe the Reapers minds function similar to the geth but much more advanced. And then the Catalyst is the overseer of all of them with his combined intelligence of all Reapers, so he runs the show. 

It is also possible that all the reaper intelligences are fragments of the AI's intelliegence. In the halo series it is shown that AI are able to fragment portions of their selves into different locations while the original watches over all of it.

Speculations??

I disagree entirely.

The organic bodies are rendered down for materials yes, but you must remember, amongst other things, human beings are a fairly good source of Iron, calcium, various gases, ect. They are used for building material, like the Human Reaper core.

But, before being rendered down and killed, I say that the Reapers copy the synaptic pathways of individuals, witing them into a core which forms a gestalt intellect made up of the entire species, now mentally enslaved to the Reaper cause. Indoctrinated by definition, since Indoctrination simply makes one see the Reapers goals as one's own, see Simon's Selfish Meme hypothesis.

[Simon_Says]

Arian Dynas wrote...

I'm not here, leave a message.

Translation: Like HELL I'm even going to TRY going up against THAT! Jesus **** the guy has so much there that he put SUBHEADERS.

Way not worth my time to untangle THAT ungodly mess.

While I agree that it's wordy and not very well structured, I've managed to get through it. I find that while I don't agree with many of his views, his post is a rational and insightful discourse if you're open to considering his viewpoints.

Also, Arian, I have to confess something. I mean no disrespect, but I never read your ending script. Precisely because it's so damn long.

[TJBartlemus]

Arian Dynas wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

 Something I've been thinking about the Reapers. First they are a combination of Synthetic and organic. To make a Reaper it requires organic goo. Now what is this goo for? You don't see gooey Reapers. You see mechanical monsters. (Synthetic) So this material is used for internal. The Catalyst claims that the Reapers are ascended organics. Last time I checked goo doesn't think. I believe instead that the goo provides knowledge and a source of energy but not sentience. The knowledge is used to continue for the Reapers to evolve mentally with strategies and new technology to bend into their own. The energy is used for the Reapers to function. They cannot have an unlimited source of energy in ME. That doesn't exist. That's why they allow organics to evolve to harvest them, to continue their survival. So since the goo doesn't provide sentience, a synthetic mind is needed. I believe the Reapers minds function similar to the geth but much more advanced. And then the Catalyst is the overseer of all of them with his combined intelligence of all Reapers, so he runs the show. 

It is also possible that all the reaper intelligences are fragments of the AI's intelliegence. In the halo series it is shown that AI are able to fragment portions of their selves into different locations while the original watches over all of it.

Speculations??

I disagree entirely.

The organic bodies are rendered down for materials yes, but you must remember, amongst other things, human beings are a fairly good source of Iron, calcium, various gases, ect. They are used for building material, like the Human Reaper core.

But, before being rendered down and killed, I say that the Reapers copy the synaptic pathways of individuals, witing them into a core which forms a gestalt intellect made up of the entire species, now mentally enslaved to the Reaper cause. Indoctrinated by definition, since Indoctrination simply makes one see the Reapers goals as one's own, see Simon's Selfish Meme hypothesis.

Alright!!  Yes!! My goal for starting speculation has come true! We are back on track.

Anyway, ignore the goo portion because that can be discussed to death. BioWare has yet to explain that portion. Just said my opinion from what I saw, but as the endings of ME3 are, it is up for interpretation. It was just something I thought up quickly. Obviously there are problems.

On the other things. There has to be some portion you have to agree with. Like the energy portion or the AI fragmentation. What about those??

[masster blaster]

Sorry guys that i went off like that. I didn't mean to, but I can't believe people are defending the Catalyst, and his logic.

[Lokanaiya]

masster blaster wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

 Ummm....I don't know what to make of this guy. And his points. He seems to have thought Starchild out a lot. If Arian is still here, I would recommend that he see this. 

http://social.biowar.../index/13006636

I know just looking at a little of it I know he has got some things wrong about the Catalyst, but I can't even start a response without feeling I'm missing something else wrong with it. Arian I feel should be up to the challenge. As well with anyone else willing to try.

I'm not here, leave a message.

Oh but he forgot why WE are in this HELL of a WAR...

*snip*

You're preaching to the choir here, blaster. Tell it to that dude.

[masster blaster]

oh and Arian that is Gabby and Donelly with Coats and that other guy we see with Coats on the Citadel/fighting of hordes of husk.



here is a link to the Destroy ending and look at the Part where it show Coats and the Three people around him, and tell me that's not Donelly and Gabby with him at Earth.

And if they died in ME2, or were not released in ME3, then are they in the scene with Coats, or not.

Modifié par masster blaster, 07 juillet 2012 - 05:23 .

[masster blaster]

Lokanaiya wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

 Ummm....I don't know what to make of this guy. And his points. He seems to have thought Starchild out a lot. If Arian is still here, I would recommend that he see this. 

http://social.biowar.../index/13006636

I know just looking at a little of it I know he has got some things wrong about the Catalyst, but I can't even start a response without feeling I'm missing something else wrong with it. Arian I feel should be up to the challenge. As well with anyone else willing to try.

I'm not here, leave a message.

Oh but he forgot why WE are in this HELL of a WAR...

*snip*

You're preaching to the choir here, blaster. Tell it to that dude.

I did. i feel guilty that I did that, yet part of me does not.

Modifié par masster blaster, 07 juillet 2012 - 05:17 .

[estebanus]

Simon_Says wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

I'm not here, leave a message.

Translation: Like HELL I'm even going to TRY going up against THAT! Jesus **** the guy has so much there that he put SUBHEADERS.

Way not worth my time to untangle THAT ungodly mess.

While I agree that it's wordy and not very well structured, I've managed to get through it. I find that while I don't agree with many of his views, his post is a rational and insightful discourse if you're open to considering his viewpoints.

Also, Arian, I have to confess something. I mean no disrespect, but I never read your ending script. Precisely because it's so damn long.

You know that his script is structured like a "choose your own adventure" kind of book, right? You don't necessarily need to read everything!

[Arian Dynas]

Simon_Says wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

I'm not here, leave a message.

Translation: Like HELL I'm even going to TRY going up against THAT! Jesus **** the guy has so much there that he put SUBHEADERS.

Way not worth my time to untangle THAT ungodly mess.

While I agree that it's wordy and not very well structured, I've managed to get through it. I find that while I don't agree with many of his views, his post is a rational and insightful discourse if you're open to considering his viewpoints.

Also, Arian, I have to confess something. I mean no disrespect, but I never read your ending script. Precisely because it's so damn long.

I'm not surprised, to be honest, though I am told you are missing something as a result. Besides, most of the length is just padding from all the different endings, if you were to simply follow the path that your Shepard would, then it's considerably shorter.

As for this guy's posts... eh. I find it hard to believe that he could manage to defend the logic in the Starchild's argument, which is inherently self-contradictory.

[Arian Dynas]

TJBartlemus wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

 Something I've been thinking about the Reapers. First they are a combination of Synthetic and organic. To make a Reaper it requires organic goo. Now what is this goo for? You don't see gooey Reapers. You see mechanical monsters. (Synthetic) So this material is used for internal. The Catalyst claims that the Reapers are ascended organics. Last time I checked goo doesn't think. I believe instead that the goo provides knowledge and a source of energy but not sentience. The knowledge is used to continue for the Reapers to evolve mentally with strategies and new technology to bend into their own. The energy is used for the Reapers to function. They cannot have an unlimited source of energy in ME. That doesn't exist. That's why they allow organics to evolve to harvest them, to continue their survival. So since the goo doesn't provide sentience, a synthetic mind is needed. I believe the Reapers minds function similar to the geth but much more advanced. And then the Catalyst is the overseer of all of them with his combined intelligence of all Reapers, so he runs the show. 

It is also possible that all the reaper intelligences are fragments of the AI's intelliegence. In the halo series it is shown that AI are able to fragment portions of their selves into different locations while the original watches over all of it.

Speculations??

I disagree entirely.

The organic bodies are rendered down for materials yes, but you must remember, amongst other things, human beings are a fairly good source of Iron, calcium, various gases, ect. They are used for building material, like the Human Reaper core.

But, before being rendered down and killed, I say that the Reapers copy the synaptic pathways of individuals, witing them into a core which forms a gestalt intellect made up of the entire species, now mentally enslaved to the Reaper cause. Indoctrinated by definition, since Indoctrination simply makes one see the Reapers goals as one's own, see Simon's Selfish Meme hypothesis.

Alright!!  Yes!! My goal for starting speculation has come true! We are back on track.

Anyway, ignore the goo portion because that can be discussed to death. BioWare has yet to explain that portion. Just said my opinion from what I saw, but as the endings of ME3 are, it is up for interpretation. It was just something I thought up quickly. Obviously there are problems.

On the other things. There has to be some portion you have to agree with. Like the energy portion or the AI fragmentation. What about those??

Ai Fragmentation, unecesary, no real indications of it. As far as I am concerned the statement "We are each a nation" refers to the fact that each Reaper mind is made up of the conglomerated intellects of billions of murdered, sentient beings.

As for energy, I am of the stance that Raistlin sugguested, that the Crucible is both power for the Citadel Relay's return trip to Darkspace, as well as a Reaper gas station.

[TJBartlemus]

estebanus wrote...

You know that his script is structured like a "choose your own adventure" kind of book, right? You don't necessarily need to read everything!

I hated those books cause I always got the character killed. Common sense seems to not be valid in those books. And some of these threads in this forum.