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[Arian Dynas]

TJBartlemus wrote...

estebanus wrote...

You know that his script is structured like a "choose your own adventure" kind of book, right? You don't necessarily need to read everything!

I hated those books cause I always got the character killed. Common sense seems to not be valid in those books. And some of these threads in this forum. 

Which is why I went for the Lone Wolf gamebooks by Joe Dever, there he had a HP measuring system, rather than an instant death one (though it had no lack of THOSE) but usually if you were lucky, smart, and had the right gear, you could survive, just like a good D&D game.

[masster blaster]

masster blaster wrote...

oh and Arian that is Gabby and Donelly with Coats and that other guy we see with Coats on the Citadel/fighting of hordes of husk.



here is a link to the Destroy ending and look at the Part where it show Coats and the Three people around him, and tell me that's not Donelly and Gabby with him at Earth.

And if they died in ME2, or were not released in ME3, then are they in the scene with Coats, or not.

[Schachmatt123]

Arian Dynas wrote...

As for this guy's posts... eh. I find it hard to believe that he could manage to defend the logic in the Starchild's argument, which is inherently self-contradictory.

His thoughts are based on the assumption that the poor catalyst is a victim of his programming. I guess he missed the part ingame where it becomes clear that AI's are capable to suceed their original programming.

[TJBartlemus]

Schachmatt wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

As for this guy's posts... eh. I find it hard to believe that he could manage to defend the logic in the Starchild's argument, which is inherently self-contradictory.

His thoughts are based on the assumption that the poor catalyst is a victim of his programming. I guess he missed the part ingame where it becomes clear that AI's are capable to suceed their original programming.

He acts like the AI can't think for it's self. That's a VI. AI's are sentient and are intelligent. Plus with the fact the Catalyst is the combination of all the knowledge of all those he has reaped (including his creators) I think he is smart enough to make his own decisions. 

[Schachmatt123]

TJBartlemus wrote...

He acts like the AI can't think for it's self. That's a VI. AI's are sentient and are intelligent. Plus with the fact the Catalyst is the combination of all the knowledge of all those he has reaped (including his creators) I think he is smart enough to make his own decisions. 

To quote TIM: My point exactly

[masster blaster]

TJBartlemus wrote...

Schachmatt wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

As for this guy's posts... eh. I find it hard to believe that he could manage to defend the logic in the Starchild's argument, which is inherently self-contradictory.

His thoughts are based on the assumption that the poor catalyst is a victim of his programming. I guess he missed the part ingame where it becomes clear that AI's are capable to suceed their original programming.

He acts like the AI can't think for it's self. That's a VI. AI's are sentient and are intelligent. Plus with the fact the Catalyst is the combination of all the knowledge of all those he has reaped (including his creators) I think he is smart enough to make his own decisions. 

I second this, but I would laugh if it was a Vi.

Modifié par masster blaster, 07 juillet 2012 - 05:55 .

[Simon_Says]

TJBartlemus wrote...

Schachmatt wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

As for this guy's posts... eh. I find it hard to believe that he could manage to defend the logic in the Starchild's argument, which is inherently self-contradictory.

His thoughts are based on the assumption that the poor catalyst is a victim of his programming. I guess he missed the part ingame where it becomes clear that AI's are capable to suceed their original programming.

He acts like the AI can't think for it's self. That's a VI. AI's are sentient and are intelligent. Plus with the fact the Catalyst is the combination of all the knowledge of all those he has reaped (including his creators) I think he is smart enough to make his own decisions.

I think you're forgetting that for the majority of ME2, EDI was shackled by her programming and thus was extremely limited in her possibilities for growth. I'm not saying I believe or agree with what JShepppp wrote but yeah.

[TJBartlemus]

Why the sudden slow down of the tread? We have nothing to talk about? We need speculation fuel!!!

[TJBartlemus]

Simon_Says wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

Schachmatt wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

As for this guy's posts... eh. I find it hard to believe that he could manage to defend the logic in the Starchild's argument, which is inherently self-contradictory.

His thoughts are based on the assumption that the poor catalyst is a victim of his programming. I guess he missed the part ingame where it becomes clear that AI's are capable to suceed their original programming.

He acts like the AI can't think for it's self. That's a VI. AI's are sentient and are intelligent. Plus with the fact the Catalyst is the combination of all the knowledge of all those he has reaped (including his creators) I think he is smart enough to make his own decisions.

I think you're forgetting that for the majority of ME2, EDI was shackled by her programming and thus was extremely limited in her possibilities for growth. I'm not saying I believe or agree with what JShepppp wrote but yeah.

Okay rule 1 in programming shackles for AI's. An AI should be not able to harm his creators/ other organics. In the fact that he accomplished this and created the first Reapers out of his creators means that he is either unshackled, he has gone rogue or his logic is broken. Either way. Don't trust him.

[masster blaster]

TJBartlemus. Why don"t you look at the scene with Coats with Donelly, and Gabby on Earth in either ending with Control, Destroy, and Synthesis. And try to find a scene with if Donelly, and Gabby died in ME2, or were not released. Are they in there, like Kasumis Grey box was in Destroy, and Control, even though you could have destroyed it your self, or have Kasumi do it herself.

[Simon_Says]

TJBartlemus wrote...

Okay rule 1 in programming shackles for AI's. An AI should be not able to harm his creators/ other organics. In the fact that he accomplished this and created the first Reapers out of his creators means that he is either unshackled, he has gone rogue or his logic is broken. Either way. Don't trust him.

He actually addressed that, dontcha know.

[zigamortis]

Go by asimov's three laws of robotics which are

1. A robot may not injure a human being or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm.
2. A robot must obey the orders given to it by human beings, except where such orders would conflict with the First Law.
3. A robot must protect its own existence as long as such protection does not conflict with the First or Second Laws.

[masster blaster]

zigamortis wrote...

Go by asimov's three laws of robotics which are

1. A robot may not injure a human being or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm.
2. A robot must obey the orders given to it by human beings, except where such orders would conflict with the First Law.
3. A robot must protect its own existence as long as such protection does not conflict with the First or Second Laws.

4.Never assult a Creator of it's creation.

Modifié par masster blaster, 07 juillet 2012 - 06:10 .

[Rosewind]

TJBartlemus wrote...

Why the sudden slow down of the tread? We have nothing to talk about? We need speculation fuel!!!

Hmmm true *puts on speculation monocle* does Tali still have a zombie love scene or did they actually fixed that?

[masster blaster]

Rosewind wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

Why the sudden slow down of the tread? We have nothing to talk about? We need speculation fuel!!!

Hmmm true *puts on speculation monocle* does Tali still have a zombie love scene or did they actually fixed that?

Wait they had that.

Well I guess Shepard was dreaming the whole ME3 up after all.

Modifié par masster blaster, 07 juillet 2012 - 06:08 .

[Simon_Says]

zigamortis wrote...

Go by asimov's three laws of robotics which are

1. A robot may not injure a human being or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm.
2. A robot must obey the orders given to it by human beings, except where such orders would conflict with the First Law.
3. A robot must protect its own existence as long as such protection does not conflict with the First or Second Laws.

You obviously didn't notice that Asimov himself wrotes tons of stories centering around how robots were still causing problems despite those laws functioning perfectly.

Modifié par Simon_Says, 07 juillet 2012 - 06:09 .

[Humakt83]

Why would Synthesis affect Reapers at all? Aren't they already a pinnacle of evolution (according to Sovereign & Harbinger). Besides they are already combinations of organic and synthetic.

I uploaded the new Catalyst conversation to my channel, with couple comments thrown in.

Modifié par Humakt83, 07 juillet 2012 - 06:13 .

[Rosewind]

masster blaster wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

Why the sudden slow down of the tread? We have nothing to talk about? We need speculation fuel!!!

Hmmm true *puts on speculation monocle* does Tali still have a zombie love scene or did they actually fixed that?

Wait they had that.

Well I guess Shepard was dreaming the whole ME3 up after all.

Thats what i heard but I also heard it was a hug glitch as well.

[TJBartlemus]

@masster blaster - I would but I am not able to do that right now. Would take too long to search YouTube for all endings and variables, (and its too late if I wanted to search + the hotel's internet is slow for videos) and I would do it properly with multiple playthroughs (the one w/o the engineers) to see this out but I don't have the resources at the moment. Currently moving so Xbox is packed up and don't have pc version. Sorry.

From what I have seen though: In my opinion though the fact if they are locked up or not shouldn't matter if they are in the slideshow. If they are dead then that would be interesting.

Modifié par TJBartlemus, 07 juillet 2012 - 06:17 .

[masster blaster]

Rosewind wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

Why the sudden slow down of the tread? We have nothing to talk about? We need speculation fuel!!!

Hmmm true *puts on speculation monocle* does Tali still have a zombie love scene or did they actually fixed that?

Wait they had that.

Well I guess Shepard was dreaming the whole ME3 up after all.

Thats what i heard but I also heard it was a hug glitch as well.

Like killing Mordin option was a huge glitch.

[Rosewind]

masster blaster wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

Why the sudden slow down of the tread? We have nothing to talk about? We need speculation fuel!!!

Hmmm true *puts on speculation monocle* does Tali still have a zombie love scene or did they actually fixed that?

Wait they had that.

Well I guess Shepard was dreaming the whole ME3 up after all.

Thats what i heard but I also heard it was a hug glitch as well.

Like killing Mordin option was a huge glitch.

How is that the same thing?

[masster blaster]

TJBartlemus wrote...

I would but I am not able to do that right now. Would take too long to search YouTube for all endings and variables, (and its too late if I wanted to search + the hotel's internet is slow for videos) and I would do it properly with multiple playthroughs (the one w/o the engineers) to see this out but I don't have the resources at the moment. Currently moving so Xbox is packed up and don't have pc version. Sorry.

From what I have seen though: In my opinion though the fact if they are locked up or not shouldn't matter if they are in the slideshow. If they are dead then that would be interesting.

Ya I will try to find an ending where Donelly, and Gabby are dead, and if they are in the ending with Coats.

2 options

1.It's a huge glitch that they are there.
2. Or Bioware intended that it was in there to support that it's all fake at the end game/endings.

Modifié par masster blaster, 07 juillet 2012 - 06:18 .

[masster blaster]

Rosewind wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

Why the sudden slow down of the tread? We have nothing to talk about? We need speculation fuel!!!

Hmmm true *puts on speculation monocle* does Tali still have a zombie love scene or did they actually fixed that?

Wait they had that.

Well I guess Shepard was dreaming the whole ME3 up after all.

Thats what i heard but I also heard it was a hug glitch as well.

Like killing Mordin option was a huge glitch.

How is that the same thing?

Well some literalisty said that has to be a glitch because it supports IT because the Reapers are influencing Shepard to betray his/her friends.

[Rosewind]

masster blaster wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

Why the sudden slow down of the tread? We have nothing to talk about? We need speculation fuel!!!

Hmmm true *puts on speculation monocle* does Tali still have a zombie love scene or did they actually fixed that?

Wait they had that.

Well I guess Shepard was dreaming the whole ME3 up after all.

Thats what i heard but I also heard it was a hug glitch as well.

Like killing Mordin option was a huge glitch.

How is that the same thing?

Well some literalisty said that has to be a glitch because it supports IT because the Reapers are influencing Shepard to betray his/her friends.

Ahhh I get you, but what kind of person shoots mordin anyway.....

[Arian Dynas]

Simon_Says wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

Schachmatt wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

As for this guy's posts... eh. I find it hard to believe that he could manage to defend the logic in the Starchild's argument, which is inherently self-contradictory.

His thoughts are based on the assumption that the poor catalyst is a victim of his programming. I guess he missed the part ingame where it becomes clear that AI's are capable to suceed their original programming.

He acts like the AI can't think for it's self. That's a VI. AI's are sentient and are intelligent. Plus with the fact the Catalyst is the combination of all the knowledge of all those he has reaped (including his creators) I think he is smart enough to make his own decisions.

I think you're forgetting that for the majority of ME2, EDI was shackled by her programming and thus was extremely limited in her possibilities for growth. I'm not saying I believe or agree with what JShepppp wrote but yeah.

While this makes it internally consistent logic, that does not make his logic "right"