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[paxxton]

Reposting a wall of text.

paxxton wrote...

Has anyone noticed how casually Shepard tells the Catalyst that Organics can win the war without using the Crucible. Just like that. Also, he has a strange expression on his face. Like this one ->
http://www.youtube.c...iK1D1tY#t=1567s

This evidence meshes with the Starchild's twinkling and voice anomaly pretty well. Shepard is starting to break out of indoctrination.

The Catalyst represents logical order and Shepard's remarks convey a chaotic message.

Modifié par paxxton, 07 juillet 2012 - 07:13 .

[comrade gando]

I wonder if there is a way to determine who voice acted the SO BE IT line. It certainly sounded like harbinger, and his voice actor IS in the game, listed under additional voices. it doesn't make any sense why have the voice actor, the character, and not give him any lines? did he stop by for free donuts and coffee and bioware wanted him to record 5 batarian lines just for good old times???

[Legion of 1337]

I honestly can't believe this is still going.

IT was a valid possibility before EC. Now, Bioware has definitively shown that IT is not correct - if it were, that would mean everything we see afterward is also a hallucination.

Accept that Bioware did not use your good idea. Accept that they are not as ingenious as you'd hoped. This is more and more like a religion all the time - blindly believing something that isn't true but you want to believe anyway because it gives you comfort.

[paxxton]

Legion of 1337 wrote...

I honestly can't believe this is still going.

IT was a valid possibility before EC. Now, Bioware has definitively shown that IT is not correct - if it were, that would mean everything we see afterward is also a hallucination.

Accept that Bioware did not use your good idea. Accept that they are not as ingenious as you'd hoped. This is more and more like a religion all the time - blindly believing something that isn't true but you want to believe anyway because it gives you comfort.

You can't say that anything is true or false. You can only say that it has high or low probability of being true or false.

Modifié par paxxton, 07 juillet 2012 - 07:18 .

[JasonSic]

nobody feed it

[paxxton]

comrade gando wrote...

I wonder if there is a way to determine who voice acted the SO BE IT line. It certainly sounded like harbinger, and his voice actor IS in the game, listed under additional voices. it doesn't make any sense why have the voice actor, the character, and not give him any lines? did he stop by for free donuts and coffee and bioware wanted him to record 5 batarian lines just for good old times???

It was with high probability Mark Meer's VO.

Modifié par paxxton, 07 juillet 2012 - 07:21 .

[olshi]

Legion of 1337 wrote...

I honestly can't believe this is still going.

IT was a valid possibility before EC. Now, Bioware has definitively shown that IT is not correct - if it were, that would mean everything we see afterward is also a hallucination.

Accept that Bioware did not use your good idea. Accept that they are not as ingenious as you'd hoped. This is more and more like a religion all the time - blindly believing something that isn't true but you want to believe anyway because it gives you comfort.

You didn't do your homework. It's a valid interpretation.
And honestly, at this point I hope the IT is NOT true. But the evidence indicates otherwise.

[paxxton]

olshi wrote...

Legion of 1337 wrote...

I honestly can't believe this is still going.

IT was a valid possibility before EC. Now, Bioware has definitively shown that IT is not correct - if it were, that would mean everything we see afterward is also a hallucination.

Accept that Bioware did not use your good idea. Accept that they are not as ingenious as you'd hoped. This is more and more like a religion all the time - blindly believing something that isn't true but you want to believe anyway because it gives you comfort.

You didn't do your homework. It's a valid interpretation.
And honestly, at this point I hope the IT is NOT true. But the evidence indicates otherwise.

Is there a contradiction here?

[Either.Ardrey]

HellishFiend wrote...

I believe that many more elements of ME3 are intentional than we realized at first. The lack of neutral dialog choices, additional autodialog, Shepard's uncontrollable emotional displays, they all seem to fit the same theme as the dreams: loss of control for both Shepard and the Player.

Also consider what we know about Indoctrination, plus the fact that it was omnipresent in ME1 and 2, yet receives only passing references in ME3, and pieces start to fall into place.

This. The one thing that bothered me the most in ME3 (other than the ending(s)) was that my super-nice, everybody-be-friends, Paragon Shepard began to yell at his squadmates when they asked him if he was okay in autodialogue.


On another note, I only got one 100% agreement post on my speculation post last night (so it probably got lost a little), so here's the link to it. I'm mostly looking for analysis on any flaws in my thought process, or additional input/expansion if you think it's on to something.

Modifié par Either.Ardrey, 07 juillet 2012 - 07:25 .

[Legion of 1337]

olshi wrote...

Legion of 1337 wrote...

I honestly can't believe this is still going.

IT was a valid possibility before EC. Now, Bioware has definitively shown that IT is not correct - if it were, that would mean everything we see afterward is also a hallucination.

Accept that Bioware did not use your good idea. Accept that they are not as ingenious as you'd hoped. This is more and more like a religion all the time - blindly believing something that isn't true but you want to believe anyway because it gives you comfort.

You didn't do your homework. It's a valid interpretation.
And honestly, at this point I hope the IT is NOT true. But the evidence indicates otherwise.

Key word is "interpretation". There is no evidence in-game to definitively support your theory, only player analysis and extrapolation  of events. If IT was true, then I imagine it would have been revealed at the end. Which it wasn't.

[Sero303]

I'm rewatching "LOST" and I decided, the most epic ending to Mass Effect 3, would be Shepard reaching the crucible and instead of the "Space-Brat", "Hurley" from Lost is there to reveal that you are in fact indoctrinated and that destroying the Reapers is only one of the mysteries of the Citadel...because everybody loves Hurley, right?

[masster blaster]

Legon please explain why the Earth rely explosion is still in the Viper Nebula, where the Arrival took place, and why in the Destroy ending thinks that Shepard is still alive, when they confiremd that Anderson is dead. Also if Shepard was alive and they knew about it then why are they having the put Shepard on the memorial wall scene, where Bioware could have you LI, or squad mate find Shepard in the pile of rubbleon Earth.

Also why did Bioware us a modle of Coats to be the person being unmasked by the Keeper. And there is still a lot of evidence that IT is right on the track.

[JasonSic]

Do not feed it again. It will go look for food somewhere else.

[paxxton]

Legion of 1337 wrote...

olshi wrote...

Legion of 1337 wrote...

I honestly can't believe this is still going.

IT was a valid possibility before EC. Now, Bioware has definitively shown that IT is not correct - if it were, that would mean everything we see afterward is also a hallucination.

Accept that Bioware did not use your good idea. Accept that they are not as ingenious as you'd hoped. This is more and more like a religion all the time - blindly believing something that isn't true but you want to believe anyway because it gives you comfort.

You didn't do your homework. It's a valid interpretation.
And honestly, at this point I hope the IT is NOT true. But the evidence indicates otherwise.

Key word is "interpretation". There is no evidence in-game to definitively support your theory, only player analysis and extrapolation  of events. If IT was true, then I imagine it would have been revealed at the end. Which it wasn't.

I fully agree that you might be right. But you also might be wrong.

[Legion of 1337]

masster blaster wrote...

Legon please explain why the Earth rely explosion is still in the Viper Nebula, where the Arrival took place, and why in the Destroy ending thinks that Shepard is still alive, when they confiremd that Anderson is dead. Also if Shepard was alive and they knew about it then why are they having the put Shepard on the memorial wall scene, where Bioware could have you LI, or squad mate find Shepard in the pile of rubbleon Earth.

Also why did Bioware us a modle of Coats to be the person being unmasked by the Keeper. And there is still a lot of evidence that IT is right on the track.

Those don't support IT, they're just stupid plot holes Bioware still hasn't fixed.

[MegumiAzusa]

Rifneno wrote...

Let me just repeat yesterday's suggestion: stop reading my posts then.

Usually it's if you don't want other people to read or comment, don't post.

[paxxton]

JasonSic wrote...

Do not feed it again. It will go look for food somewhere else.

Too late.

[MegumiAzusa]

Legion of 1337 wrote...

olshi wrote...

Legion of 1337 wrote...

I honestly can't believe this is still going.

IT was a valid possibility before EC. Now, Bioware has definitively shown that IT is not correct - if it were, that would mean everything we see afterward is also a hallucination.

Accept that Bioware did not use your good idea. Accept that they are not as ingenious as you'd hoped. This is more and more like a religion all the time - blindly believing something that isn't true but you want to believe anyway because it gives you comfort.

You didn't do your homework. It's a valid interpretation.
And honestly, at this point I hope the IT is NOT true. But the evidence indicates otherwise.

Key word is "interpretation". There is no evidence in-game to definitively support your theory, only player analysis and extrapolation  of events. If IT was true, then I imagine it would have been revealed at the end. Which it wasn't.

Key word is "I imagine" you don't know.

[marcelo_sdk]

Legion of 1337 wrote...

I honestly can't believe this is still going.

IT was a valid possibility before EC. Now, Bioware has definitively shown that IT is not correct - if it were, that would mean everything we see afterward is also a hallucination.

Accept that Bioware did not use your good idea. Accept that they are not as ingenious as you'd hoped. This is more and more like a religion all the time - blindly believing something that isn't true but you want to believe anyway because it gives you comfort.

Then comes to troll to mix up things. What religion has to do with IT? 

[masster blaster]

Legion if they are then why did they change the relay explosions,why change the Normandy escapes scene, and why add a new ending that is a huge lose but a huge victory in the next cycle.Also why don't you watch the three videos that are on the front page and come back here and we will talk, once you got the info about IT down.

[masster blaster]

OH and they did fix the plot holes in the ending, but gave birth to new plot holes, and still have a lot of the old once.

[MaximizedAction]

masster blaster wrote...

OH and they did fix the plot holes in the ending, but gave birth to new plot holes, and still have a lot of the old once.

...and made some of the ones they kept even better noticeable.

[paxxton]

Duh. Winning. -> ITists <- 

Modifié par paxxton, 07 juillet 2012 - 08:11 .

[marcelo_sdk]

masster blaster wrote...

Legion if they are then why did they change the relay explosions,why change the Normandy escapes scene, and why add a new ending that is a huge lose but a huge victory in the next cycle.Also why don't you watch the three videos that are on the front page and come back here and we will talk, once you got the info about IT down.

I think he's to ignorant to perceive thing by himself. He thinks that to be true, the gamecrew needs to ring his bell to say that IT is true.

Again, I'm not saying that IT was proven, nor it was disproven. 

Modifié par marcelo_sdk, 07 juillet 2012 - 07:38 .

[Iucounou]

Legion of 1337 wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Legon please explain why the Earth rely explosion is still in the Viper Nebula, where the Arrival took place, and why in the Destroy ending thinks that Shepard is still alive, when they confiremd that Anderson is dead. Also if Shepard was alive and they knew about it then why are they having the put Shepard on the memorial wall scene, where Bioware could have you LI, or squad mate find Shepard in the pile of rubbleon Earth.

Also why did Bioware us a modle of Coats to be the person being unmasked by the Keeper. And there is still a lot of evidence that IT is right on the track.

Those don't support IT, they're just stupid plot holes Bioware still hasn't fixed.

You still haven't said what about the EC disproves IT. I'm sure you are about to, though.