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[Quackjack]

insomniak9 wrote...

I'm gonna repost this to remind people to keep talking about it.

Look at Destroy! It's all curvy, whereas Control is structure-like. 
Destroy is different, intentionally.

It. Looks. Like. A. Reaper.

Which looks like a Reaper, neither of them do to me

[insomniak9]

What? O.o

You don't think it looks just a little bit like this?

[BatmanTurian]

insomniak9 wrote...

What? O.o

You don't think it looks just a little bit like this?

If you're saying the Control conduit looks like a Reaper, then I would agree.

(hi, guys, by the way. Did I miss anything important?)

[masster blaster]

Wait you mean the tubes on top of Destroy look's like a Reaper and the strait object is the Citadel tower. Possible.

[Quackjack]

Oh wait I didn't look under, now it does

[Vaya]

Either.Ardrey wrote...

On another note, I only got one 100% agreement post on my speculation post last night (so it probably got lost a little), so here's the link to it. I'm mostly looking for analysis on any flaws in my thought process, or additional input/expansion if you think it's on to something.

The cleansing fire arguement from the catalyst was an exersize in false equivilency and misdirection.

Shepard says something to the effect of "So you created the reapers to end conflict. *looks out at exploding ships* How is this not conflict?"

To which the catalyst gives his cleansing fire bit "The reapers are a force of nature, you see, there wouldn't be any conflict if you'd all just lay down and die".

Never mind that the reapers are most definately not a force of nature. Even if they were created for the purpose the catalyst claims, they're still an artificial addition to the universe.

But by making that claim, it tries to set itself up as a higher order. If it can create a force of nature, it must be a diety, right?

That part of the conversation made me want to punt that malignant little gnome right off the end of the citadel more than ever.

[masster blaster]

BatmanTurian read page 1637 and from there. That's about all that has happened.

[BatmanTurian]

masster blaster wrote...

BatmanTurian read page 1637 and from there. That's about all that has happened.

Yeah, Legion's remarks. Sounds like the same rehashed arguments.

[masster blaster]

Oh I meant to read 1637 because that's the last time we talked about IT.

[byne]

BatmanTurian wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

BatmanTurian read page 1637 and from there. That's about all that has happened.

Yeah, Legion's remarks. Sounds like the same rehashed arguments.

I hate the people who compare us to a religion. We interpret a video game ending differently! Clearly we're a cult-like religion!

Need I point out that our interpretation isnt the one with an all-powerful godchild in it?

[BatmanTurian]

masster blaster wrote...

Oh I meant to read 1637 because that's the last time we talked about IT.

I'm asking if you guys have come up with anything new. Last time I was in here, people were combing the EC for new clues.

[masster blaster]

Byne I know but most of them can't make a good well argument. Also  most of them have my spelling grammer issue  and most of them are angry at paxxton and me for no aparient reason.

Modifié par masster blaster, 07 juillet 2012 - 10:13 .

[BatmanTurian]

byne wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

BatmanTurian read page 1637 and from there. That's about all that has happened.

Yeah, Legion's remarks. Sounds like the same rehashed arguments.

I hate the people who compare us to a religion. We interpret a video game ending differently! Clearly we're a cult-like religion!

Need I point out that our interpretation isnt the one with an all-powerful godchild in it?

I'm really sick of the argument that interpreting a story differently and speculating about it makes us religious. If anything, it only makes us curious, critical, and analytical, all signs of intelligence and a scientific mind.

[Andromidius]

byne wrote...
I hate the people who compare us to a religion. We interpret a video game ending differently! Clearly we're a cult-like religion!

Need I point out that our interpretation isnt the one with an all-powerful godchild in it?

It bothers me too.  Its obvious flamebaiting though, so I just report whenever I see it.

[ThisOneIsPunny]

byne wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

BatmanTurian read page 1637 and from there. That's about all that has happened.

Yeah, Legion's remarks. Sounds like the same rehashed arguments.

I hate the people who compare us to a religion. We interpret a video game ending differently! Clearly we're a cult-like religion!

Need I point out that our interpretation isnt the one with an all-powerful godchild in it?

Well this is a downright terrible cult, if you ask me!
We don't gather at a certain time apprpriately,
we don't have any secret code shenanigans,
and, most importantly of all, no stylish but also somewhat creepy hooded robes!

There's no joining(NO, not that kind of joining. Stop snickering.) ceremony either. 

[SubAstris]

CoolioThane wrote...

SubAstris wrote...


But now BW have changed that, you don't have to accept any option; it is an obvious clue that Shepard is indeed his right-minded, inquistive self. And so IT can die

Just bugger off then?

If IT can die, you don't need to be here.

I was responding in a light-hearted manner to a given question. I wasn't actually saying that it is dead, just reversing the author's words

[jgibson14352]

 true, from what ive lurked religion is the number one ban topic
anyway, back on topic, the beam like structure in this has to mean something

[SubAstris]

Rifneno wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

The point, if the Catalyst is meant to be 100% correct, then we might as well let the Reapers win. The fact that he is not totally logical should be reassurance, otherwise you have played through hundreds of hours of gameplay to stop the very thing you now happen to agree with.

No. You're talking about him having reached an invalid logical conclusion. Something he believes to be true but isn't. That's not the issue. The issue is that he's lying and he knows he's lying. He claims to be basically the "boss" Reaper mind, something which has never been hinted at even existing and contradicts things we've seen and heard in the past. From both a story perspective and a logical perspective, that's highly unlikely. He claims the Reapers aren't malevolent, they just do what they believe to be necessary. Arian and I covered this pretty well a week or so ago and all evidence points to the Reapers being downright hateful, sadistic, and unnecessarily cruel even if for some bizarre reason that galactic genocide was a necessity.

He's a lying little bastard and he knows it. This isn't a well meaning AI that reached a poor moral conclusion. This is an active and conscious attempt at deception.

In that case, explain why the Prothean VI gives clear indication of a controlloing force behind the Reapers.

[byne]

ThisOneIsPunny wrote...

byne wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

BatmanTurian read page 1637 and from there. That's about all that has happened.

Yeah, Legion's remarks. Sounds like the same rehashed arguments.

I hate the people who compare us to a religion. We interpret a video game ending differently! Clearly we're a cult-like religion!

Need I point out that our interpretation isnt the one with an all-powerful godchild in it?

Well this is a downright terrible cult, if you ask me!
We don't gather at a certain time apprpriately,
we don't have any secret code shenanigans,
and, most importantly of all, no stylish but also somewhat creepy hooded robes!

There's no joining(NO, not that kind of joining. Stop snickering.) ceremony either. 

For some reason I now have Comfort Eagle stuck in my head.


Doesn't matter if you're skinny

Doesn't matter if you're fat

You can dress up like a sultan

In your onion head hat



We are building a religion

We are making a brand

We're the only ones to turn to

When your castles turn to sand

[Schachmatt123]

byne wrote...

I hate the people who compare us to a religion. We interpret a video game ending differently! Clearly we're a cult-like religion!

Need I point out that our interpretation isnt the one with an all-powerful godchild in it?

... nor swallows the doctrin this mad "AI god" dictates without objecting?

Modifié par Schachmatt, 07 juillet 2012 - 10:31 .

[BatmanTurian]

SubAstris wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

The point, if the Catalyst is meant to be 100% correct, then we might as well let the Reapers win. The fact that he is not totally logical should be reassurance, otherwise you have played through hundreds of hours of gameplay to stop the very thing you now happen to agree with.

No. You're talking about him having reached an invalid logical conclusion. Something he believes to be true but isn't. That's not the issue. The issue is that he's lying and he knows he's lying. He claims to be basically the "boss" Reaper mind, something which has never been hinted at even existing and contradicts things we've seen and heard in the past. From both a story perspective and a logical perspective, that's highly unlikely. He claims the Reapers aren't malevolent, they just do what they believe to be necessary. Arian and I covered this pretty well a week or so ago and all evidence points to the Reapers being downright hateful, sadistic, and unnecessarily cruel even if for some bizarre reason that galactic genocide was a necessity.

He's a lying little bastard and he knows it. This isn't a well meaning AI that reached a poor moral conclusion. This is an active and conscious attempt at deception.

In that case, explain why the Prothean VI gives clear indication of a controlloing force behind the Reapers.

It was theorizing. It reveals the Protheans weren't sure of this in the conversation. It was simply explaining the theory the Protheans had about the Reapers. It doesn't necessarily mean they were right. They were all cut off from each other and thousands of worlds were falling over the course of hundreds of years. They couldn't share much information with each other because communications and travel were cut off by the Reapers.
So they could easily make a false assumption in the vaccum of information the Reapers created around themselves.

Modifié par BatmanTurian, 07 juillet 2012 - 10:26 .

[SubAstris]

insomniak9 wrote...

I'm gonna repost this to remind people to keep talking about it.

Look at Destroy! It's all curvy, whereas Control is structure-like. 
Destroy is different, intentionally.

It. Looks. Like. A. Reaper.

Control looks like a Reaper? Even if you are right, then you would expect that to subliminally put Shepard off choosing control, which is something the Catalyst doesn't want

[byne]

SubAstris wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

The point, if the Catalyst is meant to be 100% correct, then we might as well let the Reapers win. The fact that he is not totally logical should be reassurance, otherwise you have played through hundreds of hours of gameplay to stop the very thing you now happen to agree with.

No. You're talking about him having reached an invalid logical conclusion. Something he believes to be true but isn't. That's not the issue. The issue is that he's lying and he knows he's lying. He claims to be basically the "boss" Reaper mind, something which has never been hinted at even existing and contradicts things we've seen and heard in the past. From both a story perspective and a logical perspective, that's highly unlikely. He claims the Reapers aren't malevolent, they just do what they believe to be necessary. Arian and I covered this pretty well a week or so ago and all evidence points to the Reapers being downright hateful, sadistic, and unnecessarily cruel even if for some bizarre reason that galactic genocide was a necessity.

He's a lying little bastard and he knows it. This isn't a well meaning AI that reached a poor moral conclusion. This is an active and conscious attempt at deception.

In that case, explain why the Prothean VI gives clear indication of a controlloing force behind the Reapers.

Because thats what the Protheans believed? By assuming the form of the child, we already know the Reapers are in Shep's head. Its not exactly a big stretch for them to be like 'Hey, lets use this incorrect information Shep got from the Protheans to deceive her.'

[masster blaster]

Subarts can you explain why should we trust the Prothean vi. Everyone says well they have to been created, but now in the final hours of the game it's point lest, and remember it's assuming there is a force that is Controling the Reaper, in which case Harbinger, not the Catalyst.

[estebanus]

byne wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

BatmanTurian read page 1637 and from there. That's about all that has happened.

Yeah, Legion's remarks. Sounds like the same rehashed arguments.

I hate the people who compare us to a religion. We interpret a video game ending differently! Clearly we're a cult-like religion!

Need I point out that our interpretation isnt the one with an all-powerful godchild in it?

 

"You guys have a different interpretation of the endings than me! You must all be zealous nutcases!" 

Seriously though, the IT has none of the same base structures as a religion, so it can't be. A religion is something utterly different than a theory, and if people don't understand that, then they need to look up what exactly a religion is.