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[byne]

BatmanTurian wrote...

byne wrote...

That doesnt really explain the damage to the Normandy's exterior, or the fact that they've literally landed ON the planet, and arent just hovering above it like they do everywhere else they land.

if they have no Eezo core, then they can't reduce their mass and hover.

If they have no Eezo core, the ship doesnt work at all. They're clearly shown taking off after the memorial wall scene, and I really doubt they randomly found a deposit of Eezo large enough to power the Normandy's huge drive core on that planet.

[BatmanTurian]

estebanus wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

byne wrote...

estebanus wrote...

So how about them endings, huh?

I still wanna know why the Normandy crashes on the planet in the EC endings. They removed the part showing the Normandy's engines falling off, so the Normandy really has no reason to have crashed.

Actually, I didn't think of that. That is kind of confusing when you think about it.

Uh, SPACE MAGIC!!!! :wizard::wizard:  To be serious, in Destroy at least, I would ASSUME that, in a literal interpretation of the endings, EDI's death led to some kind of feedback loop (Or some other problem.) that caused the Normandy's engines to fail.

EDI probably never actually died. Eva Core's body was probably destroyed, but I think EDI survived in her quantum blue box. As for the geth, we never actually see them die or dead in the epilogue.

True.  The only hint that we have that the Geth didn't make it is that the panel showing them working with the Quarians isn't present, and that could just be an attempt to misdirect us.  Same with how we never actually SEE EDI die apart from her body not being present at the memorial scene.

You do know that her name is on the memorial wall, right?

It could mean the self-aware EDI. That part of EDI might be destroyed. I think her basic suite still exists.

[Dwailing]

estebanus wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

byne wrote...

estebanus wrote...

So how about them endings, huh?

I still wanna know why the Normandy crashes on the planet in the EC endings. They removed the part showing the Normandy's engines falling off, so the Normandy really has no reason to have crashed.

Actually, I didn't think of that. That is kind of confusing when you think about it.

Uh, SPACE MAGIC!!!! :wizard::wizard:  To be serious, in Destroy at least, I would ASSUME that, in a literal interpretation of the endings, EDI's death led to some kind of feedback loop (Or some other problem.) that caused the Normandy's engines to fail.

EDI probably never actually died. Eva Core's body was probably destroyed, but I think EDI survived in her quantum blue box. As for the geth, we never actually see them die or dead in the epilogue.

True.  The only hint that we have that the Geth didn't make it is that the panel showing them working with the Quarians isn't present, and that could just be an attempt to misdirect us.  Same with how we never actually SEE EDI die apart from her body not being present at the memorial scene.

You do know that her name is on the memorial wall, right?

Yeah, I guess it is.  Still, if EDI and the Geth were going to die, I would want to SEE it.  They Never Found the Body (Or more accurately, never showed the body.).

[Andromidius]

BatmanTurian wrote...

if they have no Eezo core, then they can't reduce their mass and hover.

Lack of an Eezo Core would likely cause the ship to be torn apart during entry to the planet's atmosphere as well.  That's even assuming it could survive slowing from FTL speeds without the Core too.

But then Sci-Fi is rarely consistant with itself.  Star Trek is dreadful for this, especially when they lose Initial Dampners - they merely jiggle about a bit instead of being reduced to a bloody mess on the walls.  So I think I can forgive that.  Though probably not in combination with all the other problems presented.

*yawn*  Tired.

[Nightingale]

estebanus wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

byne wrote...

estebanus wrote...

So how about them endings, huh?

I still wanna know why the Normandy crashes on the planet in the EC endings. They removed the part showing the Normandy's engines falling off, so the Normandy really has no reason to have crashed.

Actually, I didn't think of that. That is kind of confusing when you think about it.

Uh, SPACE MAGIC!!!! :wizard::wizard:  To be serious, in Destroy at least, I would ASSUME that, in a literal interpretation of the endings, EDI's death led to some kind of feedback loop (Or some other problem.) that caused the Normandy's engines to fail.

EDI probably never actually died. Eva Core's body was probably destroyed, but I think EDI survived in her quantum blue box. As for the geth, we never actually see them die or dead in the epilogue.

True.  The only hint that we have that the Geth didn't make it is that the panel showing them working with the Quarians isn't present, and that could just be an attempt to misdirect us.  Same with how we never actually SEE EDI die apart from her body not being present at the memorial scene.

You do know that her name is on the memorial wall, right?

She's the Normandy. She could, in theory, still be living in the ship. Like I said, she wouldn't be the same, but it'd still be EDI. Maybe the EDI from ME2, not exactly shackled, but not quite...herself, either. Like what she was on Luna, perhaps. She was still self aware but without the Reaper code.

Sorry if I'm repeating myself or not making much sense, I've had a hell of a week and I'm tired.

Edit: Ninja'd by Batman

Modifié par DrTsoni, 07 juillet 2012 - 11:42 .

[BatmanTurian]

byne wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

byne wrote...

That doesnt really explain the damage to the Normandy's exterior, or the fact that they've literally landed ON the planet, and arent just hovering above it like they do everywhere else they land.

if they have no Eezo core, then they can't reduce their mass and hover.

If they have no Eezo core, the ship doesnt work at all. They're clearly shown taking off after the memorial wall scene, and I really doubt they randomly found a deposit of Eezo large enough to power the Normandy's huge drive core on that planet.

good point.

[Dwailing]

jgibson14352 wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

OK, I have an off topic question that I need an answer to. I'm trying to get Max Payne 2 to run on Windows 7, and if anyone has tried doing this, then you'll know EXACTLY how hard it is to do this. I've been looking around the internet, and the main solution I've heard is to download a cracked maxpayne2.exe file and replace the original maxpayne2.exe with the cracked version. My question is this: would it be illegal for me to do this since I own the game on Steam? I really need an answer to this if any of you know.

just send him a PM if you know, this thread has wandered off topic too much for one night

OK seriously, I really DO need an answer to this question.

Even if your answer is that you don't know.

Modifié par Dwailing, 07 juillet 2012 - 11:47 .

[D.Sharrah]

estebanus wrote...

Snip...

You do know that her name is on the memorial wall, right?

But if we make the leap of faith that at least a part of what Shep sees in the extended endings is in his/her head...then we could still come to the conclusion that EDI's name is on the wall b/c Shep is envisioning what he/she expects is the outcome...

[BatmanTurian]

Andromidius wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

if they have no Eezo core, then they can't reduce their mass and hover.

Lack of an Eezo Core would likely cause the ship to be torn apart during entry to the planet's atmosphere as well.  That's even assuming it could survive slowing from FTL speeds without the Core too.

But then Sci-Fi is rarely consistant with itself.  Star Trek is dreadful for this, especially when they lose Initial Dampners - they merely jiggle about a bit instead of being reduced to a bloody mess on the walls.  So I think I can forgive that.  Though probably not in combination with all the other problems presented.

*yawn*  Tired.

And that's why I don't watch Star Trek anymore.

I mean besides the implausible panspermia human headmask aliens.

Asari make me cringe, which is why I still choose to believe they mind control to make their faces look like the female of the species looking at them.

[SubAstris]

BatmanTurian wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

comrade gando wrote...

it seems bioware went out of their way to make the endings look like "yup this is the end, now shut up and swallow" (jk lol), but they also went out of their way to add in other strangeness that shouldn't be happening normally. my guess is to give an indicator that something isn't right but then they go and try to end the game on a cliffhanger again and it's like make up your mind bioware!

I bet that if you looked at any ending in as much detail as this one has you would find a whole host of strange goings-on

Yes, but not every ending has an author telling you to make up your own mind about it.

Very few writers, if any, want to be prescriptive about anything in the story

[BatmanTurian]

D.Sharrah wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Snip...

You do know that her name is on the memorial wall, right?

But if we make the leap of faith that at least a part of what Shep sees in the extended endings is in his/her head...then we could still come to the conclusion that EDI's name is on the wall b/c Shep is envisioning what he/she expects is the outcome...

hey, there ya go.

[byne]

BatmanTurian wrote...

byne wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

byne wrote...

That doesnt really explain the damage to the Normandy's exterior, or the fact that they've literally landed ON the planet, and arent just hovering above it like they do everywhere else they land.

if they have no Eezo core, then they can't reduce their mass and hover.

If they have no Eezo core, the ship doesnt work at all. They're clearly shown taking off after the memorial wall scene, and I really doubt they randomly found a deposit of Eezo large enough to power the Normandy's huge drive core on that planet.

good point.

Plus, if you're talking about discharging the Eezo core, they dont shoot the Eezo out of the ship. Discharging the core just refers to releasing the static electricity that has built up from FTL travel. Eezo is too valuable to just toss out every once in a while.

[estebanus]

byne wrote...

estebanus wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

estebanus wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

byne wrote...

estebanus wrote...

So how about them endings, huh?

I still wanna know why the Normandy crashes on the planet in the EC endings. They removed the part showing the Normandy's engines falling off, so the Normandy really has no reason to have crashed.

Actually, I didn't think of that. That is kind of confusing when you think about it.

You actually see the Normandy escaping the destroy wave, so I think that they discharged their Eezo core or that they decided to land on the planet to be perfectly safe from the wave.

That seems plausible, but aren't you supposed to drop the core in a gas giant or something?

Maybe they did, but Bioware didn't feel the need to show us it? Although then the question remains how they landed on the planet... 

I'm going with my theory that they landed there to be sure that the crucible's energy wave wouldn't launch them out of their mass relay travel. 

So why actually touch down on the planet? Why send Jeff 'Glass Bones' Moreau out first? Why leave the Normandy at all?

Well for them, the energy wave is a total unknown, right? They don't know what will happen if they get hit by it. Maybe the eezo core will deactivate, maybe the circuits that regulate the Normandy's power could be destroyed. This could result in the Normandy falling out of the sky, which would result in a lot of damage. It's better to touch down on the planet, so that they can't fall out of the sky. 

As for Joker coming out, well he probably wanted to see where they actually landed. As such, he goes out with Shepard's two most trusted crewmates to see what the situation is. Maybe something happened to the hull of the Normandy, or even worse yet, she could have a hole. Since Joker loves the Normandy the most, he probably also wanted to see what exactly happened to his girl.

[byne]

Dwailing wrote...

jgibson14352 wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

OK, I have an off topic question that I need an answer to. I'm trying to get Max Payne 2 to run on Windows 7, and if anyone has tried doing this, then you'll know EXACTLY how hard it is to do this. I've been looking around the internet, and the main solution I've heard is to download a cracked maxpayne2.exe file and replace the original maxpayne2.exe with the cracked version. My question is this: would it be illegal for me to do this since I own the game on Steam? I really need an answer to this if any of you know.

just send him a PM if you know, this thread has wandered off topic too much for one night

OK seriously, I really DO need an answer to this question.

Even if you're answer is that you don't know.

Even if you are answer is that you don't know?

Ok! My are answer is that I don't know.

[D.Sharrah]

BatmanTurian wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

if they have no Eezo core, then they can't reduce their mass and hover.

Lack of an Eezo Core would likely cause the ship to be torn apart during entry to the planet's atmosphere as well.  That's even assuming it could survive slowing from FTL speeds without the Core too.

But then Sci-Fi is rarely consistant with itself.  Star Trek is dreadful for this, especially when they lose Initial Dampners - they merely jiggle about a bit instead of being reduced to a bloody mess on the walls.  So I think I can forgive that.  Though probably not in combination with all the other problems presented.

*yawn*  Tired.

And that's why I don't watch Star Trek anymore.

I mean besides the implausible panspermia human headmask aliens.

Asari make me cringe, which is why I still choose to believe they mind control to make their faces look like the female of the species looking at them.

If that's true...and they plan on having any Asari in the movie that could be interesting...b/c they would have to show a "different face" every time you are looking at an Asari through the eyes of a different species...

[Dwailing]

byne wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

jgibson14352 wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

OK, I have an off topic question that I need an answer to. I'm trying to get Max Payne 2 to run on Windows 7, and if anyone has tried doing this, then you'll know EXACTLY how hard it is to do this. I've been looking around the internet, and the main solution I've heard is to download a cracked maxpayne2.exe file and replace the original maxpayne2.exe with the cracked version. My question is this: would it be illegal for me to do this since I own the game on Steam? I really need an answer to this if any of you know.

just send him a PM if you know, this thread has wandered off topic too much for one night

OK seriously, I really DO need an answer to this question.

Even if you're answer is that you don't know.

Even if you are answer is that you don't know?

Ok! My are answer is that I don't know.

LOL, I can't believe I said that.  A facepalm moment if ever there was one.

[Andromidius]

BatmanTurian wrote...

And that's why I don't watch Star Trek anymore.

I mean besides the implausible panspermia human headmask aliens.

Asari make me cringe, which is why I still choose to believe they mind control to make their faces look like the female of the species looking at them.

I still do, but I just suspend my disbelief utterly.  Though even Voyager makes me cringe a lot of the time, mostly due to the utterly inconsistant nature of the character writing.  Deep Space Nine is far superior mostly because it relies less on technobabble (though it still has plenty of it) and more on well written characters and conflicts.

And I agree with the Asari - sometimes I get a scary vibe off them.  I mean look at the backs of their heads - they are scaley with weird flaps where the neck and ears are, with tenticals!  And then I remember what Banshees look like...  Really makes me imagine them as actually being hideously ugly creatures that have amazing manipulative powers to trick people into thinking they are beautiful (or at least, normal looking - not all the Asari seem to act as if they are attractive or even attempt seduction, the security officers on Illum for example look rather plain, if still having the 'ideal' feminine figure.

[BatmanTurian]

SubAstris wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

comrade gando wrote...

it seems bioware went out of their way to make the endings look like "yup this is the end, now shut up and swallow" (jk lol), but they also went out of their way to add in other strangeness that shouldn't be happening normally. my guess is to give an indicator that something isn't right but then they go and try to end the game on a cliffhanger again and it's like make up your mind bioware!

I bet that if you looked at any ending in as much detail as this one has you would find a whole host of strange goings-on

Yes, but not every ending has an author telling you to make up your own mind about it.

Very few writers, if any, want to be prescriptive about anything in the story

you're dodging the point. The endings of 2001: A Space Odyssey, Vanilla Sky, Inception, and Matrix: Revolutions have more in common with the ending of Mass Effect 3 than does, say, Gettysburg, Gone With The Wind, or any Bond film. One is meant to be contemplated, the other is straightforward.

The ending of ME3 is not straightforward and the writers themselves say they are not straightforward. They wanted speculation. You don't create something that is supposed to be obvious and then expect wild discussion.

[BatmanTurian]

D.Sharrah wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

if they have no Eezo core, then they can't reduce their mass and hover.

Lack of an Eezo Core would likely cause the ship to be torn apart during entry to the planet's atmosphere as well.  That's even assuming it could survive slowing from FTL speeds without the Core too.

But then Sci-Fi is rarely consistant with itself.  Star Trek is dreadful for this, especially when they lose Initial Dampners - they merely jiggle about a bit instead of being reduced to a bloody mess on the walls.  So I think I can forgive that.  Though probably not in combination with all the other problems presented.

*yawn*  Tired.

And that's why I don't watch Star Trek anymore.

I mean besides the implausible panspermia human headmask aliens.

Asari make me cringe, which is why I still choose to believe they mind control to make their faces look like the female of the species looking at them.

If that's true...and they plan on having any Asari in the movie that could be interesting...b/c they would have to show a "different face" every time you are looking at an Asari through the eyes of a different species...

I'm just speculating from those lines on ME2 on Illium. The main character will be human in the Mass Effect movie so obviously they'll look human unless the director and Bioware say " quick, show what they really look like in a half-second flash"

[SubAstris]

BatmanTurian wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

comrade gando wrote...

it seems bioware went out of their way to make the endings look like "yup this is the end, now shut up and swallow" (jk lol), but they also went out of their way to add in other strangeness that shouldn't be happening normally. my guess is to give an indicator that something isn't right but then they go and try to end the game on a cliffhanger again and it's like make up your mind bioware!

I bet that if you looked at any ending in as much detail as this one has you would find a whole host of strange goings-on

Yes, but not every ending has an author telling you to make up your own mind about it.

Very few writers, if any, want to be prescriptive about anything in the story

you're dodging the point. The endings of 2001: A Space Odyssey, Vanilla Sky, Inception, and Matrix: Revolutions have more in common with the ending of Mass Effect 3 than does, say, Gettysburg, Gone With The Wind, or any Bond film. One is meant to be contemplated, the other is straightforward.

The ending of ME3 is not straightforward and the writers themselves say they are not straightforward. They wanted speculation. You don't create something that is supposed to be obvious and then expect wild discussion.

BW are just saying that to get out of the s***storm they are already out. If you want to stay it isn't straightforward though, be me guest

[byne]

D.Sharrah wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

if they have no Eezo core, then they can't reduce their mass and hover.

Lack of an Eezo Core would likely cause the ship to be torn apart during entry to the planet's atmosphere as well.  That's even assuming it could survive slowing from FTL speeds without the Core too.

But then Sci-Fi is rarely consistant with itself.  Star Trek is dreadful for this, especially when they lose Initial Dampners - they merely jiggle about a bit instead of being reduced to a bloody mess on the walls.  So I think I can forgive that.  Though probably not in combination with all the other problems presented.

*yawn*  Tired.

And that's why I don't watch Star Trek anymore.

I mean besides the implausible panspermia human headmask aliens.

Asari make me cringe, which is why I still choose to believe they mind control to make their faces look like the female of the species looking at them.

If that's true...and they plan on having any Asari in the movie that could be interesting...b/c they would have to show a "different face" every time you are looking at an Asari through the eyes of a different species...

Thats why I never bought that idea. Surely there are artists who draw pictures of asari, photographers who take pictures of asari, filmmakers who film asari. You'd think someone would be like 'Hey! The asari in these drawings/pictures/movies look nothing like actual asari!'

People always use this scene as evidence for that, but to me, it seems like each species is just focusing on the part of the asari most attractive to them, not like the asari is using some kind of diabolical mind control ray beam.

[Andromidius]

SubAstris wrote...
BW are just saying that to get out of the s***storm they are already out. If you want to stay it isn't straightforward though, be me guest

They were saying this pre-launch as well, though.  So its pretty obvious it was their intention.

[BatmanTurian]

SubAstris wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

comrade gando wrote...

it seems bioware went out of their way to make the endings look like "yup this is the end, now shut up and swallow" (jk lol), but they also went out of their way to add in other strangeness that shouldn't be happening normally. my guess is to give an indicator that something isn't right but then they go and try to end the game on a cliffhanger again and it's like make up your mind bioware!

I bet that if you looked at any ending in as much detail as this one has you would find a whole host of strange goings-on

Yes, but not every ending has an author telling you to make up your own mind about it.

Very few writers, if any, want to be prescriptive about anything in the story

you're dodging the point. The endings of 2001: A Space Odyssey, Vanilla Sky, Inception, and Matrix: Revolutions have more in common with the ending of Mass Effect 3 than does, say, Gettysburg, Gone With The Wind, or any Bond film. One is meant to be contemplated, the other is straightforward.

The ending of ME3 is not straightforward and the writers themselves say they are not straightforward. They wanted speculation. You don't create something that is supposed to be obvious and then expect wild discussion.

BW are just saying that to get out of the s***storm they are already out. If you want to stay it isn't straightforward though, be me guest

And if you want to be in denial about the implications of something straight from the Final Hours App, be my guest.

[comrade gando]

BatmanTurian wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

comrade gando wrote...

it seems bioware went out of their way to make the endings look like "yup this is the end, now shut up and swallow" (jk lol), but they also went out of their way to add in other strangeness that shouldn't be happening normally. my guess is to give an indicator that something isn't right but then they go and try to end the game on a cliffhanger again and it's like make up your mind bioware!

I bet that if you looked at any ending in as much detail as this one has you would find a whole host of strange goings-on

Yes, but not every ending has an author telling you to make up your own mind about it.

and that sir pisses me off to no end. they're honestly telling me to make up my own ending?? I might as well make up the middle and beginning while I'm at it. wtf is wrong with these people. they must be indoctrinated by the rEApers thats the only thing I can think of.

sigh everything after harbinger's laser just flies way way way into wtf territory

[Either.Ardrey]

BatmanTurian wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

if they have no Eezo core, then they can't reduce their mass and hover.

Lack of an Eezo Core would likely cause the ship to be torn apart during entry to the planet's atmosphere as well.  That's even assuming it could survive slowing from FTL speeds without the Core too.

But then Sci-Fi is rarely consistant with itself.  Star Trek is dreadful for this, especially when they lose Initial Dampners - they merely jiggle about a bit instead of being reduced to a bloody mess on the walls.  So I think I can forgive that.  Though probably not in combination with all the other problems presented.

*yawn*  Tired.

And that's why I don't watch Star Trek anymore.

I mean besides the implausible panspermia human headmask aliens.

Asari make me cringe, which is why I still choose to believe they mind control to make their faces look like the female of the species looking at them.

Humanoid aliens, from a logical standpoint, aren't actually as far off as scientists would have us believe. Opposable thumbs and a physique that allows for dexterity should be at least minimum requirements, meaning that without the Protheans, the Hanar would still be jellyfish floating in the oceans. Personally, I find aliens like many in Star Wars (ex. Selinians) to be more implausible than the human headmask ones. Granted, it is also highly unlikely that the heads would be that similar to humans, so those are still almost as implausible.