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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark II!


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#41426
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Time for bed...

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yo check this out: pastebin.com/rHzNDedX

this is the file for the dialogue in leviathan DLC supposedly. look at like 1363, before that line you can see shepard's dialogue when he's choosing to refuse the catalyst. then the line "Let me end it, then." comes up. who the heck says that? the catalyst? leviathan? doubt it will affect the ending though, I'll just say if it doesn't that 10 less dollars bioware's getting in sales.

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BatmanTurian wrote...

FreddyCast wrote...

Hey guys, i'm back from a little break. If you haven't heard yet, I made an Extended Cut Analysis video in relation to the Indoctrination Theory. Enjoy and tell me what you guys think. PeacePosted Image


Don't take my tone harshly. ;)

First off, when you speak to Sovereign, you're speaking to a hologram just like when you spoke to Harbinger on the asteroid. Except with Harbinger on the asteroid, there wasn't a device on the landing pad to create a hologram that big. The " Serve Us " line could be a result of indoctrination. Husks have their own indecipherable language and so do Reapers when they speak. Harbinger isn't speaking directly to your mind, as he would in the Arrival DLC where he had direct contact through the Artifact. He's talking in Reaperspeech but it's garbled. My theory is that everyone else on Earth not in the process of indoctrination would hear a Reaper horn but we hear Serve Us because Harbinger is already in Shep's head.

The same case can be said for the destroyers you flagged on Earth and Tuchanka. Shepard is starting to understand the garbled language of Reapers. That is not a good thing and is a clue, I believe.

Secondly, the Leviathan of Dis, as stated in the raw data, has shackles on it, like EDI did, that the Reapers put on it. If it has shackles, it was forced to help the Reapers against its will. If those shackles are removed, then it would be free to rebel again.

Therefore I believe the Leviathan of Dis and the Leviathan in the upcoming DLC are one and the same just as EDI before shackles and after are one and the same.

Oh don't forget that some form of reaper language will be dicussed in Leviathan. BleedingUranium Suggested that, like adding more conversation with the kid (which was confirmed), the DLC might also "clear up" the "serve us" reaper language so you can understand it. Brilliant really.

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BatmanTurian wrote...

FreddyCast wrote...

Hey guys, i'm back from a little break. If you haven't heard yet, I made an Extended Cut Analysis video in relation to the Indoctrination Theory. Enjoy and tell me what you guys think. PeacePosted Image


Don't take my tone harshly. ;)

First off, when you speak to Sovereign, you're speaking to a hologram just like when you spoke to Harbinger on the asteroid. Except with Harbinger on the asteroid, there wasn't a device on the landing pad to create a hologram that big. The " Serve Us " line could be a result of indoctrination. Husks have their own indecipherable language and so do Reapers when they speak. Harbinger isn't speaking directly to your mind, as he would in the Arrival DLC where he had direct contact through the Artifact. He's talking in Reaperspeech but it's garbled. My theory is that everyone else on Earth not in the process of indoctrination would hear a Reaper horn but we hear Serve Us because Harbinger is already in Shep's head.

The same case can be said for the destroyers you flagged on Earth and Tuchanka. Shepard is starting to understand the garbled language of Reapers. That is not a good thing and is a clue, I believe.

Secondly, the Leviathan of Dis, as stated in the raw data, has shackles on it, like EDI did, that the Reapers put on it. If it has shackles, it was forced to help the Reapers against its will. If those shackles are removed, then it would be free to rebel again.

Therefore I believe the Leviathan of Dis and the Leviathan in the upcoming DLC are one and the same just as EDI before shackles and after are one and the same.

Hmmm....Interesting!!
 I'll include this argument as text on the video. Thanks

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comrade gando wrote...

yo check this out: pastebin.com/rHzNDedX

this is the file for the dialogue in leviathan DLC supposedly. look at like 1363, before that line you can see shepard's dialogue when he's choosing to refuse the catalyst. then the line "Let me end it, then." comes up. who the heck says that? the catalyst? leviathan? doubt it will affect the ending though, I'll just say if it doesn't that 10 less dollars bioware's getting in sales.


20 internets says it's Shepard calling in Leviathan or it's Leviathan itself assuming direct control of SpaceBeiber.

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FreddyCast wrote...

Hey guys, i'm back from a little break. If you haven't heard yet, I made an Extended Cut Analysis video in relation to the Indoctrination Theory. Enjoy and tell me what you guys think. PeacePosted Image


Very interesting.  Thank you.

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This really is like a giant information-collecting machine. Every smidgen of the game analyzed, every conversation, background noise, out of place comment, for every game, every bit of ME related material. Then it all gets collected, and a bazillion people analyze it and come to consensus about what it means for the theory.

I don't believe a word of it but your dedication is amazing.

#41433
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BansheeOwnage wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

FreddyCast wrote...

Hey guys, i'm back from a little break. If you haven't heard yet, I made an Extended Cut Analysis video in relation to the Indoctrination Theory. Enjoy and tell me what you guys think. PeacePosted Image


Don't take my tone harshly. ;)

First off, when you speak to Sovereign, you're speaking to a hologram just like when you spoke to Harbinger on the asteroid. Except with Harbinger on the asteroid, there wasn't a device on the landing pad to create a hologram that big. The " Serve Us " line could be a result of indoctrination. Husks have their own indecipherable language and so do Reapers when they speak. Harbinger isn't speaking directly to your mind, as he would in the Arrival DLC where he had direct contact through the Artifact. He's talking in Reaperspeech but it's garbled. My theory is that everyone else on Earth not in the process of indoctrination would hear a Reaper horn but we hear Serve Us because Harbinger is already in Shep's head.

The same case can be said for the destroyers you flagged on Earth and Tuchanka. Shepard is starting to understand the garbled language of Reapers. That is not a good thing and is a clue, I believe.

Secondly, the Leviathan of Dis, as stated in the raw data, has shackles on it, like EDI did, that the Reapers put on it. If it has shackles, it was forced to help the Reapers against its will. If those shackles are removed, then it would be free to rebel again.

Therefore I believe the Leviathan of Dis and the Leviathan in the upcoming DLC are one and the same just as EDI before shackles and after are one and the same.

Oh don't forget that some form of reaper language will be dicussed in Leviathan. BleedingUranium Suggested that, like adding more conversation with the kid (which was confirmed), the DLC might also "clear up" the "serve us" reaper language so you can understand it. Brilliant really.


I hope they do that. I dunno, everytime I hear it, I hear Serve Us clear as day. Either that, or Harbinger is saying Service and wants Shepard to do some maintenance on him, or alternately, he thinks Shep is his waiter and he's not being waited on so he shoots Shep with a laser just to say  " no tip for you. "

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Legion of 1337 wrote...

The way people analyse and extrapolate data, dig for clues..the creators of this theory should be detectives.


Damn straight.

Did you ever see the thing with the QR codes?

http://social.biowar.../index/12159086

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FreddyCast wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

FreddyCast wrote...

Hey guys, i'm back from a little break. If you haven't heard yet, I made an Extended Cut Analysis video in relation to the Indoctrination Theory. Enjoy and tell me what you guys think. PeacePosted Image


Don't take my tone harshly. ;)

First off, when you speak to Sovereign, you're speaking to a hologram just like when you spoke to Harbinger on the asteroid. Except with Harbinger on the asteroid, there wasn't a device on the landing pad to create a hologram that big. The " Serve Us " line could be a result of indoctrination. Husks have their own indecipherable language and so do Reapers when they speak. Harbinger isn't speaking directly to your mind, as he would in the Arrival DLC where he had direct contact through the Artifact. He's talking in Reaperspeech but it's garbled. My theory is that everyone else on Earth not in the process of indoctrination would hear a Reaper horn but we hear Serve Us because Harbinger is already in Shep's head.

The same case can be said for the destroyers you flagged on Earth and Tuchanka. Shepard is starting to understand the garbled language of Reapers. That is not a good thing and is a clue, I believe.

Secondly, the Leviathan of Dis, as stated in the raw data, has shackles on it, like EDI did, that the Reapers put on it. If it has shackles, it was forced to help the Reapers against its will. If those shackles are removed, then it would be free to rebel again.

Therefore I believe the Leviathan of Dis and the Leviathan in the upcoming DLC are one and the same just as EDI before shackles and after are one and the same.

Hmmm....Interesting!!
 I'll include this argument as text on the video. Thanks

Thanks. You are free to just include it verbally in your video. I don't care if people steal my ideas if they're not making money off them. Indoctrination Theory is open-source amirite? ^_^

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TSA_383 wrote...

Legion of 1337 wrote...

The way people analyse and extrapolate data, dig for clues..the creators of this theory should be detectives.


Damn straight.

Did you ever see the thing with the QR codes?

http://social.biowar.../index/12159086


Why do I get the feeling that if Batman were here, he would have come to the same conclusion that we did?

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Dwailing wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

Legion of 1337 wrote...

The way people analyse and extrapolate data, dig for clues..the creators of this theory should be detectives.


Damn straight.

Did you ever see the thing with the QR codes?

http://social.biowar.../index/12159086


Why do I get the feeling that if Batman were here, he would have come to the same conclusion that we did?


So would Spock, actually.

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Looks like this got lost on the last page?

Lokanaiya wrote...

Legion, I've got some hard evidence if you're willing to check it out. It's a 5 minute video by Hellish regarding infrasound in the dreams. Not directly related to the ending, perhaps, but still good evidence for IT.



(We really should link this video more. It's pretty hard to call this interpretation or opinion. :P)

Also, I'm not sure if this has been mentioned before, but that "angelic" sound that's in the dreams and mentioned in the video? I just realized, that's also in London, at least from the FOB onwards, and maybe near the Hades cannon too, but I can't remember.



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Legion of 1337 wrote...

This really is like a giant information-collecting machine. Every smidgen of the game analyzed, every conversation, background noise, out of place comment, for every game, every bit of ME related material. Then it all gets collected, and a bazillion people analyze it and come to consensus about what it means for the theory.

I don't believe a word of it but your dedication is amazing.

We are Geth. We have achieved consensus. As our numbers increase, our intelligence is increased exponentially.

Modifié par BansheeOwnage, 08 juillet 2012 - 04:31 .


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BansheeOwnage wrote...

Legion of 1337 wrote...

This really is like a giant information-collecting machine. Every smidgen of the game analyzed, every conversation, background noise, out of place comment, for every game, every bit of ME related material. Then it all gets collected, and a bazillion people analyze it and come to consensus about what it means for the theory.

I don't believe a word of it but your dedication is amazing.

We are Geth. We have achieved consensus.

Precisely why I admire Geth.

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Legion of 1337 wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Legion of 1337 wrote...

This really is like a giant information-collecting machine. Every smidgen of the game analyzed, every conversation, background noise, out of place comment, for every game, every bit of ME related material. Then it all gets collected, and a bazillion people analyze it and come to consensus about what it means for the theory.

I don't believe a word of it but your dedication is amazing.

We are Geth. We have achieved consensus.

Precisely why I admire Geth.


But you've infiltrated the IT thread.  I didn't think that Geth could infiltrate... :?

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Dwailing wrote...

Legion of 1337 wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Legion of 1337 wrote...

This really is like a giant information-collecting machine. Every smidgen of the game analyzed, every conversation, background noise, out of place comment, for every game, every bit of ME related material. Then it all gets collected, and a bazillion people analyze it and come to consensus about what it means for the theory.

I don't believe a word of it but your dedication is amazing.

We are Geth. We have achieved consensus.

Precisely why I admire Geth.


But you've infiltrated the IT thread.  I didn't think that Geth could infiltrate... :?

Geth do not intentionally infiltrate Legion: Geth infiltrator.

Modifié par BansheeOwnage, 08 juillet 2012 - 04:33 .


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Geth do not infiltrate....Geth do not infiltrate on purpose.

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BansheeOwnage wrote...

Legion of 1337 wrote...

This really is like a giant information-collecting machine. Every smidgen of the game analyzed, every conversation, background noise, out of place comment, for every game, every bit of ME related material. Then it all gets collected, and a bazillion people analyze it and come to consensus about what it means for the theory.

I don't believe a word of it but your dedication is amazing.

We are Geth. We have achieved consensus. As our numbers increase, our intelligence is increased exponentially.

We disagree with the Heretics. We don't understand their logic but we respect their conclusions. We believe 1 + 1= 2. The Heretics believe 1 + 1= 3.

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Dwailing wrote...

Legion of 1337 wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Legion of 1337 wrote...

This really is like a giant information-collecting machine. Every smidgen of the game analyzed, every conversation, background noise, out of place comment, for every game, every bit of ME related material. Then it all gets collected, and a bazillion people analyze it and come to consensus about what it means for the theory.

I don't believe a word of it but your dedication is amazing.

We are Geth. We have achieved consensus.

Precisely why I admire Geth.


But you've infiltrated the IT thread.  I didn't think that Geth could infiltrate... :?

They don't INTENTIONALLY infiltrate.Posted Image

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BansheeOwnage wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

Legion of 1337 wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Legion of 1337 wrote...

This really is like a giant information-collecting machine. Every smidgen of the game analyzed, every conversation, background noise, out of place comment, for every game, every bit of ME related material. Then it all gets collected, and a bazillion people analyze it and come to consensus about what it means for the theory.

I don't believe a word of it but your dedication is amazing.

We are Geth. We have achieved consensus.

Precisely why I admire Geth.


But you've infiltrated the IT thread.  I didn't think that Geth could infiltrate... :?

Geth do not intentionally infiltrate Legion: Geth infiltrator.


Oh irony.

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Lokanaiya wrote...

Looks like this got lost on the last page?

Lokanaiya wrote...

Legion, I've got some hard evidence if you're willing to check it out. It's a 5 minute video by Hellish regarding infrasound in the dreams. Not directly related to the ending, perhaps, but still good evidence for IT.



(We really should link this video more. It's pretty hard to call this interpretation or opinion. :P)

Also, I'm not sure if this has been mentioned before, but that "angelic" sound that's in the dreams and mentioned in the video? I just realized, that's also in London, at least from the FOB onwards, and maybe near the Hades cannon too, but I can't remember.


-The "angelic" sound appears in:

1-The dream sequences
2-When you get hit by Harby's laser
3-The Choice sequence

As for the infrasound thing, as the one who found that stuff originally (I think it's about page 770 or so of this thread if you want to see all that was said) I am personally still a bit skeptical - It's relatively convincing, yes, but some instances of it could be due to slip-ups in SFX processing.

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FreddyCast wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

Legion of 1337 wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Legion of 1337 wrote...

This really is like a giant information-collecting machine. Every smidgen of the game analyzed, every conversation, background noise, out of place comment, for every game, every bit of ME related material. Then it all gets collected, and a bazillion people analyze it and come to consensus about what it means for the theory.

I don't believe a word of it but your dedication is amazing.

We are Geth. We have achieved consensus.

Precisely why I admire Geth.


But you've infiltrated the IT thread.  I didn't think that Geth could infiltrate... :?

They don't INTENTIONALLY infiltrate.Posted Image


ahh yep quoted it wrong :pinched:

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BatmanTurian wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Legion of 1337 wrote...

This really is like a giant information-collecting machine. Every smidgen of the game analyzed, every conversation, background noise, out of place comment, for every game, every bit of ME related material. Then it all gets collected, and a bazillion people analyze it and come to consensus about what it means for the theory.

I don't believe a word of it but your dedication is amazing.

We are Geth. We have achieved consensus. As our numbers increase, our intelligence is increased exponentially.

We disagree with the Heretics. We don't understand their logic but we respect their conclusions. We believe 1 + 1= 2. The Heretics believe 1 + 1= 3.


I thought the line was something to the effect of this: Geth believe that 1 is less than 2.  Heretics believe that 2 is less than 3.

Modifié par Dwailing, 08 juillet 2012 - 04:36 .


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BatmanTurian wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Legion of 1337 wrote...

This really is like a giant information-collecting machine. Every smidgen of the game analyzed, every conversation, background noise, out of place comment, for every game, every bit of ME related material. Then it all gets collected, and a bazillion people analyze it and come to consensus about what it means for the theory.

I don't believe a word of it but your dedication is amazing.

We are Geth. We have achieved consensus. As our numbers increase, our intelligence is increased exponentially.

We disagree with the Heretics. Geth believe 1 is less than 2. Heretics believe 2 is less than 3.

Fixed. Also, <3





Geth it?