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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark II!


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gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

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That would have been cool, but I guess this is evidence that Bioware is lazy, right?


100%

/sarcasm

Really if I ever wanted to pin the word 'lazy' on Bioware I'd not put it there.  And honestly, compared to other game developers, even with the problems with ME3 I could never call them lazy.  Misguided and too focused on 'wider demographics', perhaps.  But never lazy.


Agreed. I have seen truly lazy, shoddy and half assed work, which will show up in the game itself long before it manifests in the story, if an aspect of the story is too much effort, they cut it, they don't turn it into crap.


And that's just it, the preceeding 99% of ME3 wasn't lazy writing at all so during the last 1% there's no way the entire Bioware team said "F*** it, it's done," and walked away.
Some might argue some of the game was lazy programming (with random glitches/model bugs/dead zones throughout etc) but for the most part people ignored the little things in the face of all the epic going on.

I've said it before, IT or not Bioware has something planned for ME3 with an ending like that.


Not even just that, lazy programming is good programming, because a lazy programmer makes a program ONCE very well, to keep himself from having to do it multiple times very badly.

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Arian plus if this ME3 is all nothing but glitches, and bugs. Then Bioware really needs to work on ME3 again because it all goes back to the beginning of the game.

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I really don't want anyone "on our side" that likens our activities to a murder investigation.

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Well Legion was comaring us to crime detectives because we study and take apart everything that we can use to help bring IT in the light, and he's right about us being detectives. But ya that was a little distubing, but hay like I said he could broker a deal with the literalisty that the ITer's are not rcults, nor are religouse, but have good points that raise question about what's going on at the endgame.

Also could be help to IT in the future.

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Since there is no speculation going on right now, I'll throw a question out there. Turbo and I are in the early stages of putting out our next theme-based IT video, and this one will be leaning more towards exposition rather than theatrical impact. Basically it is going to be a step-by-step walkthrough of understanding the themes of the trilogy and how they apply to IT.

But since putting that sort of thing together is quite a long process, I probably have some time to work on regular "evidence" videos, if anyone wants. Just let me know what topics you guys want covered, and I'll see what I can do. I think I already have the footage I need to do one on Cronos station (the breach, color coding, etc), but I'm open to other ideas as well.

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Hey guys, if you haven't heard, I just uploaded the first part to my two part series on the "Indoctrination Theory-ME3 Extended Cut DLC Analysis". EnjoyPosted Image

Also, part 2 is uploading now. It will be up in an hour.

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Hellishfiend coats on the Citadle the Three mainchoices with the two soldiers in each ending of how they represent Shepard's will to fight/not being over powered by the Indoctrination.

Also the Normandy pick up Scene, and Harbys words to Shepard before Shepard is knocked up by Harby's beam.

Also How Shepard makes a weird sound when Shepard wakes up on the Citadel, and how did Anderson still got up there without ending up in the same place as Shepard. Also the Reaper sounds in the Dream/final confortaion With TIM and Anderson. Also the Catalyst words about " he turned on his creaters and how it's the Catalyst/ the Reapers that all of the Wars that have happened in this cycle and the others. Have been caused by it's taking Control of the galaxy, when Something does not go it's way.

And why does the Catalyst still look like the Child from the begging of the game.

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HellishFiend wrote...

Since there is no speculation going on right now, I'll throw a question out there. Turbo and I are in the early stages of putting out our next theme-based IT video, and this one will be leaning more towards exposition rather than theatrical impact. Basically it is going to be a step-by-step walkthrough of understanding the themes of the trilogy and how they apply to IT.

But since putting that sort of thing together is quite a long process, I probably have some time to work on regular "evidence" videos, if anyone wants. Just let me know what topics you guys want covered, and I'll see what I can do. I think I already have the footage I need to do one on Cronos station (the breach, color coding, etc), but I'm open to other ideas as well.

Hmm, let's see, London, Chronos Station (I'm certain there is some symbolisim even in the name that could be associated with the greek titan of time, but any nuances escape me right now.) Perhaps Tchanka and Rannoch.

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masster blaster wrote...

Hellishfiend coats on the Citadle the Three mainchoices with the two soldiers in each ending of how they represent Shepard's will to fight/not being over powered by the Indoctrination.

Also the Normandy pick up Scene, and Harbys words to Shepard before Shepard is knocked up by Harby's beam.

Also How Shepard makes a weird sound when Shepard wakes up on the Citadel, and how did Anderson still got up there without ending up in the same place as Shepard. Also the Reaper sounds in the Dream/final confortaion With TIM and Anderson. Also the Catalyst words about " he turned on his creaters and how it's the Catalyst/ the Reapers that all of the Wars that have happened in this cycle and the others. Have been caused by it's taking Control of the galaxy, when Something does not go it's way.

And why does the Catalyst still look like the Child from the begging of the game.


Shepard was knocked up by Harby's beam? :blink: Implications, unpleasant...

But yeah, those are great ideas, thats exactly the sort of thing I'm looking to put together in my spare time between editing the thematic videos. Inconsistencies, strange things that appear to be intentional, etc.

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Arian Dynas wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Since there is no speculation going on right now, I'll throw a question out there. Turbo and I are in the early stages of putting out our next theme-based IT video, and this one will be leaning more towards exposition rather than theatrical impact. Basically it is going to be a step-by-step walkthrough of understanding the themes of the trilogy and how they apply to IT.

But since putting that sort of thing together is quite a long process, I probably have some time to work on regular "evidence" videos, if anyone wants. Just let me know what topics you guys want covered, and I'll see what I can do. I think I already have the footage I need to do one on Cronos station (the breach, color coding, etc), but I'm open to other ideas as well.

Hmm, let's see, London, Chronos Station (I'm certain there is some symbolisim even in the name that could be associated with the greek titan of time, but any nuances escape me right now.) Perhaps Tchanka and Rannoch.


What specifically from Tuchanka and Rannoch? 

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Hellishfiend well how else was Harby going to start finalizing the Indoctrination of Shepard. He had to knock out Shepard and weaken his/her mobility so he/she does not wake up so that he/she wont be under the affects of Indoctrination.

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Oh sorry Hellish I meant knocked out not up. :)

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masster blaster wrote...

Oh sorry Hellish I meant knocked out not up. :)


Yeah I kinda figured. :P Context is a powerful thing.

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Yeah that weird noise when Shepard wakes up on the citadel is really ... weird. It wasn't there before EC O.o

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pirate1802 wrote...

Yeah that weird noise when Shepard wakes up on the citadel is really ... weird. It wasn't there before EC O.o


Pirate... dont look now, but your sig has been indoctrinated....

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HellishFiend wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Since there is no speculation going on right now, I'll throw a question out there. Turbo and I are in the early stages of putting out our next theme-based IT video, and this one will be leaning more towards exposition rather than theatrical impact. Basically it is going to be a step-by-step walkthrough of understanding the themes of the trilogy and how they apply to IT.

But since putting that sort of thing together is quite a long process, I probably have some time to work on regular "evidence" videos, if anyone wants. Just let me know what topics you guys want covered, and I'll see what I can do. I think I already have the footage I need to do one on Cronos station (the breach, color coding, etc), but I'm open to other ideas as well.

Hmm, let's see, London, Chronos Station (I'm certain there is some symbolisim even in the name that could be associated with the greek titan of time, but any nuances escape me right now.) Perhaps Tchanka and Rannoch.


What specifically from Tuchanka and Rannoch? 

 Wrex and the Reaper.

Also, considering Saren is featured in the sig, I think Pirate's signature is not meant to be taken seriously

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HellishFiend wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...

Yeah that weird noise when Shepard wakes up on the citadel is really ... weird. It wasn't there before EC O.o


Pirate... dont look now, but your sig has been indoctrinated....


What? I liked synthesis :/ Nothing worng with me is there?:(

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Hey guys, I just finished part 2 of my  "Indoctrination Theory-ME3 Extended Cut DLC Analysis" series. Enjoy and please tell me what you think.

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Arian Dynas wrote...

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What specifically from Tuchanka and Rannoch? 

 Wrex and the Reaper.

Also, considering Saren is featured in the sig, I think Pirate's signature is not meant to be taken seriously



I think you're giving most of the people that use those control/synthesis banners too much credit, but who knows. 

What about Wrex? Remember this isnt about the thematic evidence. Turbo and I have a pretty strong grip on that aspect. What I'm looking for is the "tangible" types of evidence that people want to see in videos. Like the Infrasound and "stealth EC fix" ones that I did. 

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Arian Dynas wrote...
Hmm, let's see, London, Chronos Station (I'm certain there is some symbolisim even in the name that could be associated with the greek titan of time, but any nuances escape me right now.) Perhaps Tchanka and Rannoch.


Except its "Cronos" Station, which has nothing to do with time :pinched:

Cronus/Cronos was the son of Uranus, and he envied his power (as in, Control of the universe :o)
Also, this needs a quote...

The period in which Cronus ruled was called the Golden Age, as the people of the time had no need for laws or rules; everyone did the right thing, and immorality was absent 

So, yeah, Bioware know their mythology pretty well. I'd say it's even more proof that they wouldn't screw up writing the ending so badly... ^_^

Modifié par insomniak9, 08 juillet 2012 - 08:51 .


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pirate1802 wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...

Yeah that weird noise when Shepard wakes up on the citadel is really ... weird. It wasn't there before EC O.o


Pirate... dont look now, but your sig has been indoctrinated....


What? I liked synthesis :/ Nothing worng with me is there?:(


If you're being serious, then yeah, there is something wrong with that... I'd suggest rewatching my Choose Wisely video, because I added annotations to it that call attention to themes being portrayed. There may be some things in there that cast synthesis in a new light for you....

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pirate1802 wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...

Yeah that weird noise when Shepard wakes up on the citadel is really ... weird. It wasn't there before EC O.o


Pirate... dont look now, but your sig has been indoctrinated....


What? I liked synthesis :/ Nothing worng with me is there?:(


If you like synthesis, why bother stopping Saren in ME1 at all?

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pirate1802 wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...

Yeah that weird noise when Shepard wakes up on the citadel is really ... weird. It wasn't there before EC O.o


Pirate... dont look now, but your sig has been indoctrinated....


What? I liked synthesis :/ Nothing worng with me is there?:(

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FreddyCast wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...

What? I liked synthesis :/ Nothing worng with me is there?:(

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