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[BatmanTurian]

D.Sharrah wrote...

boeloe wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

Yeah it absolutely makes no sense for people to trust the leader of the Reapers. He is the leader of the main enemy!! It's like not trusting the Empire but trusting the Emperor in Star Wars. NO! The Emperor is the one trying to convince you to join!! Come on! One of the biggest sci fi series in the last century and no one notices the parallel in story?? Edit - It's even proven that Casey Hudson when making the ME series that he got inspiration from the big sci fi series from when he was a child like Star Wars and Star Trek.

I know, everytime I hear the catalyst say "so be it" I silently whisper "jedi" in the emperor's voice. I can't see refusal as anything else but a big fat giant nod to Return of the Jedi.

I just wonder why after all the hemming and hawing about not "changing" the endings...why they did?  And because they did, if there is more in store for that choice (like CoolioThane's idea about DLC feeding into a conventional victory from a couple pages ago)...

The unused dialogue in the EC referring to the Leviathans, which are revealed to be the original race that created the Reapers, and the DLC itself, seems to heavily change and affect the ending, especially refuse.

[BatmanTurian]

Fingertrip wrote...

That Miranda picture is for **** sake, the scene when she blasts her father through the window. She goes biotic god on his ass, and she then does a sigh- afterwards.

Please people. ;p

yeah, it's already been debunked. Please don't rub it in my face. I made a mistake. Surprise. I'm human.

[D.Sharrah]

Vaya wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

Priss Blackburne wrote...

I'm just getting caught up in all these posts popping about about why I should trust the Embodiment of the reapers Catalyst kid. I just find it strange that people can throw out everything previous and trust this little rogue AI.

It's not really about trust/distrust. People just need to analyse what he actually says and whether we know what he says is true or not given prior knowledge, rather than just to assume him to be evil because he is associated with the Reapers.

The problem with that is part of your analysis of a statement is whether or not you trust the source.  I have never personally met anyone from the Taliban...but if I did, would you say that I was being unfair if I didn't necessarily trust every word they said?  That's w/o placing a label on whether or not the individual is "good" or "evil"...I have had friends that are really "good" people - but you couldn't trust what they say...if that makes sense.

When I mean "trust" I mean "his words seem to be align with what we already know and don't contradict anything that happens afterwards"

And the basis for taking the catalyst at it's word is that you can't prove that it's not telling the truth. So it comes down to a matter of trust or distrust and it has given us every reason throughout the course of the games to distrust anything to do with reapers. They rely on indoctrination and manipulation.

For some reason trusting the reapers and the catalyst suddenly reminded me of this

That's pretty funny...

[TJBartlemus]

A post for everyone. Created new group. Waking Nightmare Theorists. Just for those interested. 

http://social.bioware.com/group/7586/

Modifié par TJBartlemus, 08 juillet 2012 - 06:18 .

[D.Sharrah]

BatmanTurian wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

boeloe wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

Yeah it absolutely makes no sense for people to trust the leader of the Reapers. He is the leader of the main enemy!! It's like not trusting the Empire but trusting the Emperor in Star Wars. NO! The Emperor is the one trying to convince you to join!! Come on! One of the biggest sci fi series in the last century and no one notices the parallel in story?? Edit - It's even proven that Casey Hudson when making the ME series that he got inspiration from the big sci fi series from when he was a child like Star Wars and Star Trek.

I know, everytime I hear the catalyst say "so be it" I silently whisper "jedi" in the emperor's voice. I can't see refusal as anything else but a big fat giant nod to Return of the Jedi.

I just wonder why after all the hemming and hawing about not "changing" the endings...why they did?  And because they did, if there is more in store for that choice (like CoolioThane's idea about DLC feeding into a conventional victory from a couple pages ago)...

The unused dialogue in the EC referring to the Leviathans, which are revealed to be the original race that created the Reapers, and the DLC itself, seems to heavily change and affect the ending, especially refuse.

I know...I have seen it...one of the resons that I think that the DLC making "conventional" victory possible isn't just a dream...

[D.Sharrah]

TJBartlemus wrote...

A post for everyone. Created new group. Waking Nightmare Theorists. Just for those interested. 

http://social.bioware.com/group/7586/

Joined!  Group member #2!

[TJBartlemus]

I'm still an Indoctrination Theorist, but I like to have my own theories as well... 

Modifié par TJBartlemus, 08 juillet 2012 - 06:20 .

[D.Sharrah]

And its time for a break...I need to eat some food...perhaps some baby carrots!

[TJBartlemus]

D.Sharrah wrote...

And its time for a break...I need to eat some food...perhaps some baby carrots!

That's horrible!! The mommy and daddy carrots will watch in horror!!   Yeah, I agree. I'll be off for a while too. 

[BatmanTurian]

D.Sharrah wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

boeloe wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

Yeah it absolutely makes no sense for people to trust the leader of the Reapers. He is the leader of the main enemy!! It's like not trusting the Empire but trusting the Emperor in Star Wars. NO! The Emperor is the one trying to convince you to join!! Come on! One of the biggest sci fi series in the last century and no one notices the parallel in story?? Edit - It's even proven that Casey Hudson when making the ME series that he got inspiration from the big sci fi series from when he was a child like Star Wars and Star Trek.

I know, everytime I hear the catalyst say "so be it" I silently whisper "jedi" in the emperor's voice. I can't see refusal as anything else but a big fat giant nod to Return of the Jedi.

I just wonder why after all the hemming and hawing about not "changing" the endings...why they did?  And because they did, if there is more in store for that choice (like CoolioThane's idea about DLC feeding into a conventional victory from a couple pages ago)...

The unused dialogue in the EC referring to the Leviathans, which are revealed to be the original race that created the Reapers, and the DLC itself, seems to heavily change and affect the ending, especially refuse.

I know...I have seen it...one of the resons that I think that the DLC making "conventional" victory possible isn't just a dream...

Apparently, it seems we need a Reaper equivalent of Aaron Burr on our side to even the odds.

[boeloe]

BatmanTurian wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

boeloe wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

Yeah it absolutely makes no sense for people to trust the leader of the Reapers. He is the leader of the main enemy!! It's like not trusting the Empire but trusting the Emperor in Star Wars. NO! The Emperor is the one trying to convince you to join!! Come on! One of the biggest sci fi series in the last century and no one notices the parallel in story?? Edit - It's even proven that Casey Hudson when making the ME series that he got inspiration from the big sci fi series from when he was a child like Star Wars and Star Trek.

I know, everytime I hear the catalyst say "so be it" I silently whisper "jedi" in the emperor's voice. I can't see refusal as anything else but a big fat giant nod to Return of the Jedi.

I just wonder why after all the hemming and hawing about not "changing" the endings...why they did?  And because they did, if there is more in store for that choice (like CoolioThane's idea about DLC feeding into a conventional victory from a couple pages ago)...

The unused dialogue in the EC referring to the Leviathans, which are revealed to be the original race that created the Reapers, and the DLC itself, seems to heavily change and affect the ending, especially refuse.

My hope is that they will use the DLC's to go out with a bang.

And about Leviathan. I first assumed they were drawing inspiration from the biblical sea monster, but could it be they were drawing inspiration from Leviathan the book by Thomas Hobbes. It's a book on political philosophy and how the natural state of man (war) should lead to the conclusion that the only solution is to submit to a sovereign power. At least that is what I could gather from glancing at it. Perhaps someone with a philosophy background could shed some more light on it.

I know Thane quotes Hobbes in ME2 in one of your talks with him so he must have been on the mind of some of the writers.

Modifié par boeloe, 08 juillet 2012 - 06:25 .

[Either.Ardrey]

Fingertrip wrote...

That Miranda picture is for **** sake, the scene when she blasts her father through the window. She goes biotic god on his ass, and she then does a sigh- afterwards.

Please people. ;p

I believe it was mentioned/confirmed that the image wasn't even from ME3.

[D.Sharrah]

TJBartlemus wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

And its time for a break...I need to eat some food...perhaps some baby carrots!

That's horrible!! The mommy and daddy carrots will watch in horror!!   Yeah, I agree. I'll be off for a while too. 

Dipped in peanut butter...yummy!

[BatmanTurian]

boeloe wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

boeloe wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

Yeah it absolutely makes no sense for people to trust the leader of the Reapers. He is the leader of the main enemy!! It's like not trusting the Empire but trusting the Emperor in Star Wars. NO! The Emperor is the one trying to convince you to join!! Come on! One of the biggest sci fi series in the last century and no one notices the parallel in story?? Edit - It's even proven that Casey Hudson when making the ME series that he got inspiration from the big sci fi series from when he was a child like Star Wars and Star Trek.

I know, everytime I hear the catalyst say "so be it" I silently whisper "jedi" in the emperor's voice. I can't see refusal as anything else but a big fat giant nod to Return of the Jedi.

I just wonder why after all the hemming and hawing about not "changing" the endings...why they did?  And because they did, if there is more in store for that choice (like CoolioThane's idea about DLC feeding into a conventional victory from a couple pages ago)...

The unused dialogue in the EC referring to the Leviathans, which are revealed to be the original race that created the Reapers, and the DLC itself, seems to heavily change and affect the ending, especially refuse.

My hope is that they will use the DLC's to go out with a bang.

And about Leviathan. I first assumed they were drawing inspiration from the biblical sea monster, but could it be they were drawing inspiration from Leviathan the book by Thomas Hobbes. It's a book on political philosophy and how the natural state of man (war) should lead to the conclusion that the only solution is to submit to a sovereign power. At least that is what I could gather from glancing at it. Perhaps someone with a philosophy background could shed some more light on it.

I know Thane quotes Hobbes in ME2 in one of your talks with him so he must have been on the mind of some of the writers.

They're also referencing norse mythology

In Norse mythology, a dís ("lady", plural dísir) is a ghost, spirit or deity associated with fate who can be both benevolent and antagonistic towards mortal people. Dísir may act as protective spirits of Norse clans. Their original function was possibly that of fertility goddesses who were the object of both private and official worship called dísablót, and their veneration may derive from the worship of the spirits of the dead. The dísir, like the valkyries, norns, and vættir, are almost always referred to collectively. The North Germanic dísir and West Germanic Idisi are believed by some scholars to be related due to linguistic and mythological similarities, but the direct evidence of Anglo-Saxon and Continental German mythology is limited. The dísir play roles in Norse texts that resemble those of fylgjur, valkyries, and norns, so that some have suggested dísir is a broad term including the other beings

A ghost, spirit, or deity associated with fate who can be both benevolent and antagonistic toward mortal people.

From what we can see in the DLC, the LOD is shackled to help the reapers, thus antagonistic toward mortals. Then it is benevolent when those shackles are removed. Also, it becomes protective of the organics.

Modifié par BatmanTurian, 08 juillet 2012 - 07:06 .

[MaximizedAction]

BatmanTurian wrote...

Fingertrip wrote...

That Miranda picture is for **** sake, the scene when she blasts her father through the window. She goes biotic god on his ass, and she then does a sigh- afterwards.

Please people. ;p

yeah, it's already been debunked. Please don't rub it in my face. I made a mistake. Surprise. I'm human.

And as someone who makes mistakes ALL THE TIME, let me tell you that it's no problem at all.

It's the very nature of speculating and theorising.

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

D.Sharrah wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

The unused dialogue in the EC referring to the Leviathans, which are revealed to be the original race that created the Reapers, and the DLC itself, seems to heavily change and affect the ending, especially refuse.

I know...I have seen it...one of the resons that I think that the DLC making "conventional" victory possible isn't just a dream...

As outspoken against "conventional victory" as I am, a Reaper on our side is something that would push my view on it into the plausible zone.

It is not so much that it is freaking Reaper, I mean we are facing hundreds of Reapers, a single on our side wont be the tipping point in a stand up fight with the odds we are facing. It is more what we could learn fo their structure and weapons and what we could use that for that make me think it is possible.

[jgibson14352]

if you think about it, a reaper with intimate knowledge of their programming, strengths, and weaknesses would be a massive asset.

[Priss Blackburne]

especially if the leviathan of dis is related to the creater race like some of the dlc lines suggest. Information from the race that created the catalyst.

[boeloe]

BatmanTurian wrote...

boeloe wrote...

My hope is that they will use the DLC's to go out with a bang.

And about Leviathan. I first assumed they were drawing inspiration from the biblical sea monster, but could it be they were drawing inspiration from Leviathan the book by Thomas Hobbes. It's a book on political philosophy and how the natural state of man (war) should lead to the conclusion that the only solution is to submit to a sovereign power. At least that is what I could gather from glancing at it. Perhaps someone with a philosophy background could shed some more light on it.

I know Thane quotes Hobbes in ME2 in one of your talks with him so he must have been on the mind of some of the writers.

They're also referencing norse mythology

In Norse mythology, a dís ("lady", plural dísir) is a ghost, spirit or deity associated with fate who can be both benevolent and antagonistic towards mortal people. Dísir may act as protective spirits of Norse clans. Their original function was possibly that of fertility goddesses who were the object of both private and official worship called dísablót, and their veneration may derive from the worship of the spirits of the dead. The dísir, like the valkyries, norns, and vættir, are almost always referred to collectively. The North Germanic dísir and West Germanic Idisi are believed by some scholars to be related due to linguistic and mythological similarities, but the direct evidence of Anglo-Saxon and Continental German mythology is limited. The dísir play roles in Norse texts that resemble those of fylgjur, valkyries, and norns, so that some have suggested dísir is a broad term including the other beings

A ghost, spirit, or deity associated with fate who can be both benevolent and antagonistic toward mortal people.

From what we can see in the DLC, the LOD is shackled to help the reapers, thus antagonistic toward mortals. Then it is benevolent when those shackles are removed. Also, it becomes protective of the organics.

Are you referring to the 'Dis' part in  Leviathan of Dis"? Because the overarching theme for the cluster Hades Gamma, seems to be Dante's Divine Comedy where Dis is a city and also a different name for lucifer.

But I'm not convinced that Leviathan DLC is about Leviathan of Dis at all.

Modifié par boeloe, 08 juillet 2012 - 07:22 .

[zigamortis]

Fingertrip wrote...

That Miranda picture is for **** sake, the scene when she blasts her father through the window. She goes biotic god on his ass, and she then does a sigh- afterwards.

Please people. ;p

She doesn't smile. And that is not a biotic aura it slightly different.

Edit: but if it isn't from ME3 it is possible.

Modifié par zigamortis, 08 juillet 2012 - 07:41 .

[FreddyCast]

Watsup guys, I'm back.;
Both parts to my two part "Indoctrination Theory- ME3 Extended Cut DLC Analysis" is up and running on youtube.
Please feel free to share your thoughts and criticisms. And Enjoy
Part 1

Part 2

[niravital]

Anybody looked into Glyph's dialogue by chance?
I'm wondering if some of the stuff he says is interesting...

Another thing - I remember that one of his "upgrades" was named "reaper tech" or something, and it appeared just like that out of the blue, not something I scanned or found during a mission. For a minute I was like "am I really supposed to implement reaper tech on myself right now?" Then I decided that it's just a game and what's the worse that could happen... hmm, silly me

Any one else remembers something like this?
Because I can be mistaken.
Anyway, I've been meaning to make another play-through but I can't find the time right now, so if any one stumbles upon it in-game i'd appreciate the input.

[Vaya]

niravital wrote...

Another thing - I remember that one of his "upgrades" was named "reaper tech" or something, and it appeared just like that out of the blue, not something I scanned or found during a mission. For a minute I was like "am I really supposed to implement reaper tech on myself right now?" Then I decided that it's just a game and what's the worse that could happen... hmm, silly me

There are two reaper tech upgrades, both come from scanning, and one of them can be declined.

http://masseffect.wi.../Intel_Terminal

[Lokanaiya]

niravital wrote...

Anybody looked into Glyph's dialogue by chance?
I'm wondering if some of the stuff he says is interesting...

Another thing - I remember that one of his "upgrades" was named "reaper tech" or something, and it appeared just like that out of the blue, not something I scanned or found during a mission. For a minute I was like "am I really supposed to implement reaper tech on myself right now?" Then I decided that it's just a game and what's the worse that could happen... hmm, silly me

Any one else remembers something like this?
Because I can be mistaken.
Anyway, I've been meaning to make another play-through but I can't find the time right now, so if any one stumbles upon it in-game i'd appreciate the input.

Yeah, I remember that there was a Reaper tech one, and I'm pretty sure you got it by scanning. One choice was to remotely destroy it and the other was to use it to upgrade one of your stats or damage. I picked the destroy option without really paying attention to what they did. It probably doesn't have an effect, but I'm not letting Reaper tech into my Shep's body, no matter what!

[jgibson14352]

Lokanaiya wrote...

niravital wrote...

Anybody looked into Glyph's dialogue by chance?
I'm wondering if some of the stuff he says is interesting...

Another thing - I remember that one of his "upgrades" was named "reaper tech" or something, and it appeared just like that out of the blue, not something I scanned or found during a mission. For a minute I was like "am I really supposed to implement reaper tech on myself right now?" Then I decided that it's just a game and what's the worse that could happen... hmm, silly me

Any one else remembers something like this?
Because I can be mistaken.
Anyway, I've been meaning to make another play-through but I can't find the time right now, so if any one stumbles upon it in-game i'd appreciate the input.

Yeah, I remember that there was a Reaper tech one, and I'm pretty sure you got it by scanning. One choice was to remotely destroy it and the other was to use it to upgrade one of your stats or damage. I picked the destroy option without really paying attention to what they did. It probably doesn't have an effect, but I'm not letting Reaper tech into my Shep's body, no matter what!

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