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[dreamgazer]

balance5050 wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Shepard is chosen, is it because he has the Prothean cipher perhaps?

I've had that in the back of my mind for a long while now---and, possibly, that coming in contact with the beacon in ME1 got this whole ball started.  They re-emphasized it with the beacon on Thessia, though they could have punctuated Shepard's past communication with them a bit more clearly.

I've also had this in mind for a long time. He still has this cipher even through the Lazerus project. WHAT IS IT? Some random genetic anomoly?

Anomaly? Yes. Random? Uh, not so sure about that.

The first time I played the game, I was actually under the impression that the cipher was going to be the catalyst (making Shepard, in turn, the catalyst---though, in a way, s/he really ultimately is).

[Makrys]

I want to know why Harbinger has those Prothean 'eyes'.

[balance5050]

Rifneno wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

The point I make is SO many people were indoctrinated in Javics cycle than they actually had to program their V.I.s to detect them. Indoctrination was a MAJOR threat in his cycle. They didn't have all the advantages that we did but they knew how dangerous indoc was. Something our cycle hasn't fully understood yet.

Seriously? Javik's cycle was far more technologically advanced than ours. Especially in the way of warfare. Don't believe me? Just ask the Zha'til's sun. Wait, nevermind, the Protheans blew it up. The whole star.

I think this cycle is actually probably low tech compared to usual. The cycle is 50,000 years. The first race of our cycle to develop FTL was the asari, less than 3,000 years ago. We're missing out on tens of thousands of years of technological advancement. The yagh for instance would have nearly the entire 50,000 to advance should we lose the war.

Hacket seems more indoc than Liara though.... I'm sorry, I'm not trying to erk you.

But Hacket could be indoc as well, all leading shepard to a trap.

Shepard is chosen, is it because he has the Prothean cipher perhaps?

I don't think Hackett is indoctrinated. I think if he was, he'd be more open to TIM's philosophy of controlling them. Hackett shows no sign of any doubt in the fact that the goal is dead Reapers. He might be making a bad call about the Crucible, but a bad call doesn't mean you're indoctrinated.

...

I'm still seriously curious if the Zha'til are seeker swarms now.

By advantages I meant just with the reaper war, they lost the Citadel first thing if I recall. They were more advanced than us but seemed to be at a tactical disadvantage compared to us (pre Earth at least.)

Yeah Hacket does seem dead set on the reapers destruction, but he can't focus on anything but the Crucible. Couldn't just that seed of HAVING to use the crucible be planted with just some light indoc?

[Makrys]

*yawn* Well... I'm off to bed. Tty fine folks later.

And remember, no more Liara talk. <_<

Nighty night! 

Modifié par Makrys, 22 mai 2012 - 06:19 .

[balance5050]

dreamgazer wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Shepard is chosen, is it because he has the Prothean cipher perhaps?

I've had that in the back of my mind for a long while now---and, possibly, that coming in contact with the beacon in ME1 got this whole ball started.  They re-emphasized it with the beacon on Thessia, though they could have punctuated Shepard's past communication with them a bit more clearly.

I've also had this in mind for a long time. He still has this cipher even through the Lazerus project. WHAT IS IT? Some random genetic anomoly?

Anomaly? Yes. Random? Uh, not so sure about that.

The first time I played the game, I was actually under the impression that the cipher was going to be the catalyst (making Shepard, in turn, the catalyst---though, in a way, s/he really ultimately is).

Same thoughts here... it would also half-way explain why the reapers wanted Sheps body.

[dreamgazer]

balance5050 wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Shepard is chosen, is it because he has the Prothean cipher perhaps?

I've had that in the back of my mind for a long while now---and, possibly, that coming in contact with the beacon in ME1 got this whole ball started.  They re-emphasized it with the beacon on Thessia, though they could have punctuated Shepard's past communication with them a bit more clearly.

I've also had this in mind for a long time. He still has this cipher even through the Lazerus project. WHAT IS IT? Some random genetic anomoly?

Anomaly? Yes. Random? Uh, not so sure about that.

The first time I played the game, I was actually under the impression that the cipher was going to be the catalyst (making Shepard, in turn, the catalyst---though, in a way, s/he really ultimately is).

Same thoughts here... it would also half-way explain why the reapers wanted Sheps body.

Very true, and very interesting. 

I think there would have been something really slick and cyclical behind the fact that the violent images that warned Shepard of the Reaper attack upon the first contact would actually prove to be the "fuel" or "fire" that got the Crucible working at the end. 

I'm still wondering if that contact has something to do with Shepard's susceptibility to indoctrination, and whether it plays a part in how the catalyst takes the form of the Earth child.

[balance5050]

dreamgazer wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Shepard is chosen, is it because he has the Prothean cipher perhaps?

I've had that in the back of my mind for a long while now---and, possibly, that coming in contact with the beacon in ME1 got this whole ball started.  They re-emphasized it with the beacon on Thessia, though they could have punctuated Shepard's past communication with them a bit more clearly.

I've also had this in mind for a long time. He still has this cipher even through the Lazerus project. WHAT IS IT? Some random genetic anomoly?

Anomaly? Yes. Random? Uh, not so sure about that.

The first time I played the game, I was actually under the impression that the cipher was going to be the catalyst (making Shepard, in turn, the catalyst---though, in a way, s/he really ultimately is).

Same thoughts here... it would also half-way explain why the reapers wanted Sheps body.

Very true, and very interesting. 

I think there would have been something really slick and cyclical behind the fact that the violent images that warned Shepard of the Reaper attack upon the first contact would actually prove to be the "fuel" or "fire" that got the Crucible working at the end. 

I'm still wondering if that contact has something to do with Shepard's susceptibility to indoctrination, and whether it plays a part in how the catalyst takes the form of the Earth child.

We can only hope were in store for such awesome story elements in the EC... I'm out for the night.

[Rosewind]

But But But I just got here

[Rifneno]

balance5050 wrote...

By advantages I meant just with the reaper war, they lost the Citadel first thing if I recall. They were more advanced than us but seemed to be at a tactical disadvantage compared to us (pre Earth at least.)

Yeah Hacket does seem dead set on the reapers destruction, but he can't focus on anything but the Crucible. Couldn't just that seed of HAVING to use the crucible be planted with just some light indoc?

True, losing the Citadel first was a major thing. Maybe you're right and we are at an overall advantage compared to the Protheans. They said the Reapers rarely lose even one capital ship per cycle and they've already lost quite a few just through normal warfare. Especially to the turians. Have I mentioned lately that turians rule? It's like they don't understand what "fear" is. ... No, wait, Sidonis. Goddamnit Sidonis, you just ruined your entire race for me. Jackass.

Anyway, I think Hackett would be more confident in the Crucible if he was focusing on it due to indoctrination. "I'll be honest, the thing scares the hell out of me." Doesn't sound like he's confident in it the way TIM is about control. He just sees it as the only option available to him. Conventional warfare will not beat the Reapers. People use circular logic on this. Hackett is indoctrinated because he thinks the Reapers can't be beaten conventionally, and we can't trust Hackett saying they can't be beaten conventionally because he's indoctrinated. Aside from wishful thinking, there is nothing to suggest they can be beaten conventionally with what we have.

Makrys wrote...

I want to know why Harbinger has those Prothean 'eyes'.

I still say he's the Prothean Reaper. Even his logic when trying to indoctrinate Shepard is the same anti-synthetic drivel Javik pukes out.

[Jadebaby]

Ha, you guys got your Bioware Tag back? How? Was it DA staff? Or warning you to stay on topic? lol.

[JasonSic]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Ha, you guys got your Bioware Tag back? How? Was it DA staff? Or warning you to stay on topic? lol.

It was some Bioware person saying "INTREDASTING" pretty much

(If you didn't know, you could click the little Bioware symbol instead of the thread title to see Bioware's replies only.)

Modifié par JasonSic, 22 mai 2012 - 06:48 .

[Wyatt Shepard]

[quote]balance5050 wrote...

[quote]Rifneno wrote...

[quote]balance5050 wrote...


By advantages I meant just with the reaper war, they lost the Citadel first thing if I recall. They were more advanced than us but seemed to be at a tactical disadvantage compared to us (pre Earth at least.)


[/quote]

They were. If you recall, the Citadel was built by the Reapers as a trap. It is massive Mass Relay the hub of the entire Mass Relay network (which is why at the end of ME3, the explosion/beam/magic ray thingawackers impact all Mass Relays.)

The Reaper's original plan was to arrive in our galaxy from Dark Space THROUGH the Citadel itself when the Keepers through a switch. Then they shut down the entire Mass Relay network, isolating star ships in whatever systems they are in. This also cuts off instant communications. The Protheans might have been more technologically advanced, but they feel victim to the Reaper fake out at the Citadel. Their entire empire was shattered in an instant. The rest of it was Reaper mop up.

In the current war, because of the Prothean sabotage of the Keepers, the Reapers can no longer directly control the Citidal or the relays. (Which is why TIM is needed to help them seize the CItidal and bring it to earth.) So they had to use other means.

[Ravereth]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Ha, you guys got your Bioware Tag back? How? Was it DA staff? Or warning you to stay on topic? lol.

[offtopic.]You can just click on this Bioware Tag and check...[/offtopic.]



BTW. Do we have any new leads? 

[Rosewind]

Rifneno wrote...

*Snip*

Makrys wrote...

I want to know why Harbinger has those Prothean 'eyes'.

I still say he's the Prothean Reaper. Even his logic when trying to indoctrinate Shepard is the same anti-synthetic drivel Javik pukes out.

Why does the human reaper have four eyes though?

[blooregard]

balance5050 wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Shepard is chosen, is it because he has the Prothean cipher perhaps?

I've had that in the back of my mind for a long while now---and, possibly, that coming in contact with the beacon in ME1 got this whole ball started.  They re-emphasized it with the beacon on Thessia, though they could have punctuated Shepard's past communication with them a bit more clearly.

I've also had this in mind for a long time. He still has this cipher even through the Lazerus project. WHAT IS IT? Some random genetic anomoly?

Anomaly? Yes. Random? Uh, not so sure about that.

The first time I played the game, I was actually under the impression that the cipher was going to be the catalyst (making Shepard, in turn, the catalyst---though, in a way, s/he really ultimately is).

Same thoughts here... it would also half-way explain why the reapers wanted Sheps body.

Wasn't there cut LotSB content that said something like that?

As to the cipher being in Shepard after dying I can only assume it became genetic (Javik was able to "read" the becon Shepard came into contact with at the beginning of the series so something that allows him to understand the Protheans probably would have stayed.
Too bad they didn't go with the cipher being the catalyst it would have explained why the Collectors wanted Shepard's body so bad and it could have explained why Cerberus wanted THE commander Shepard back the way he was before being spaced. It would even give an even better reason to indoctrinate Shepard (just in case the whole "savior of the galaxy" thing wasn't important enough)

[gunslinger_ruiz]

Rosewind wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

*Snip*

Makrys wrote...

I want to know why Harbinger has those Prothean 'eyes'.

I still say he's the Prothean Reaper. Even his logic when trying to indoctrinate Shepard is the same anti-synthetic drivel Javik pukes out.

Why does the human reaper have four eyes though?

It's got 3 with potential to have 4, or even 6. Harbinger has 6 eyes but they glow the same yellow as a poster of Javik (which looks awesome by the way). I personally believe that Reapers have at least 4 eyes or at least 6 eyes but it's all under the hood, Harbigner is the only one with 6 glowing eyes on the outside either so you can pick him out or because he is of unique design. The codex says Harbigner is believed to be the largest and oldest Reaper so he must be older than 50.000 years/the Prothean's cycle, BUT that's only if you believe the codex to be 100% factual (i.e. written by the real world writers and not the game world codex writers "Do you believe everything you read on the Extranet?").

A lot of gamers will also dismiss Harbinger being a Prothean reaper because of the Collectors, it was extrapolated that the Protheans might not have been suitable to become a Reaper so they were instead huskified/cybernetically augmented much like the Keepers probably were when their cycle came around.

Modifié par gunslinger_ruiz, 22 mai 2012 - 07:18 .

[gunslinger_ruiz]

blooregard wrote...

*snip*



Wasn't there cut LotSB content that said something like that?

As to the cipher being in Shepard after dying I can only assume it became genetic (Javik was able to "read" the becon Shepard came into contact with at the beginning of the series so something that allows him to understand the Protheans probably would have stayed.
Too bad they didn't go with the cipher being the catalyst it would have explained why the Collectors wanted Shepard's body so bad and it could have explained why Cerberus wanted THE commander Shepard back the way he was before being spaced. It would even give an even better reason to indoctrinate Shepard (just in case the whole "savior of the galaxy" thing wasn't important enough)

I believe the Cipher is burned into Shepards brain, or at least stored there (where else would it be stored in a human body?) and Shepard's brain was kept intact after Shepard's death/resurrection, so it's logical to assume the Cipher was kept intact along with Shepard's memories, motor functions, knowledge etc.

[blooregard]

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

*Snip*

Makrys wrote...

I want to know why Harbinger has those Prothean 'eyes'.

I still say he's the Prothean Reaper. Even his logic when trying to indoctrinate Shepard is the same anti-synthetic drivel Javik pukes out.

Why does the human reaper have four eyes though?

It's got 3 with potential to have 4, or even 6. Harbinger has 6 eyes but they glow the same yellow as a poster of Javik (which looks awesome by the way). I personally believe that Reapers have at least 4 eyes or at least 6 eyes but it's all under the hood, Harbigner is the only one with 6 glowing eyes on the outside either so you can pick him out or because he is of unique design. The codex says Harbigner is believed to be the largest and oldest Reaper so he must be older than 50.000 years/the Prothean's cycle, BUT that's only if you believe the codex to be 100% factual (i.e. written by the real world writers and not the game world codex writers "Do you believe everything you read on the Extranet?). A lot of gamers will also dismiss Harbinger being a Prothean reaper because of the Collectors, it was extrapolated that the Protheans might not have been suitable to become a Reaper so they were instead huskified/cybernetically augmented much like the Keepers probably were when their cycle came around.

Doesn't Harbinger say humans are "viable possibilities" in ME2?


Also am I the only one that things the Collector General is a disgusting fusion of a Keeper and a Prothean/Collector.

[gunslinger_ruiz]

blooregard wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

*Snip*

Makrys wrote...

I want to know why Harbinger has those Prothean 'eyes'.

I still say he's the Prothean Reaper. Even his logic when trying to indoctrinate Shepard is the same anti-synthetic drivel Javik pukes out.

Why does the human reaper have four eyes though?

It's got 3 with potential to have 4, or even 6. Harbinger has 6 eyes but they glow the same yellow as a poster of Javik (which looks awesome by the way). I personally believe that Reapers have at least 4 eyes or at least 6 eyes but it's all under the hood, Harbigner is the only one with 6 glowing eyes on the outside either so you can pick him out or because he is of unique design. The codex says Harbigner is believed to be the largest and oldest Reaper so he must be older than 50.000 years/the Prothean's cycle, BUT that's only if you believe the codex to be 100% factual (i.e. written by the real world writers and not the game world codex writers "Do you believe everything you read on the Extranet?). A lot of gamers will also dismiss Harbinger being a Prothean reaper because of the Collectors, it was extrapolated that the Protheans might not have been suitable to become a Reaper so they were instead huskified/cybernetically augmented much like the Keepers probably were when their cycle came around.

Doesn't Harbinger say humans are "viable possibilities" in ME2?

Also am I the only one that things the Collector General is a disgusting fusion of a Keeper and a Prothean/Collector.

Yes, he does say that, and we can assume he meant "a viable possibility to become a Reaper," since they were in fact trying to make a Human Reaper in the Collector Base. If you're trying to figure out the Reaper's interest in humans, thats it, they found out the genetic material of humans is suitable to become a Reaper, that's why they're harvesting Earth in ME3.

If you're trying to figure out the Reaper's/Harbigner's interest in Shepard (Harbinger commands the Collectors to capture Shepard alive, or to preserve Shepard's body), that's a bit most ambiguous. I believe they either want Shepard for his/her "superior genetics" or for his/her mind, his ability to lead people into the fires of hell itself and back. Either one allowed Shepard to rally fleets into destroying Sovereign, stopping the beginning of the Reaper cycle which probably hadn't been done in galactic history. They'd probably want him/her even more after Shepard successfully destroy the Collector Base and a Human proto-Reaper, something Else that probably hadn't been done in galactic history.

I think it was Arian Dynas that suggested the Reapers might have wanted Shepard's mind to be the conciousness of the newest Human Reaper flagship, much like Harbinger acts now.

Whatever the reason, it's clear they wanted Shepard in ME2, no reason for that to go away in ME3 which lends more support to the ending being some kind of hallucination/indoctrination the Reapers are pulling in order to capture Shepard or bring him over to their side.

[blooregard]

Hmm in ME: Redmption does TIM ever reveal what his "other assets" are if Liara and Feron failed to get the body?

[HyperGlass]

Ravereth wrote...

[offtopic.]You can just click on this Bioware Tag and check...[/offtopic.]

BTW. Do we have any new leads? 

If you look several pages back (about 155 I think) I made the assumption that you can breifly hear good ol' Big Ben in the background of the "breathing scene".
It speculates that Shepard is infact in London when they woke up meaning if IT is false it is another factor added to all the stuff that doesn't make sence about suriving the Citadale blowing up.

[gunslinger_ruiz]

HyperGlass wrote...

Ravereth wrote...

[offtopic.]You can just click on this Bioware Tag and check...[/offtopic.]

BTW. Do we have any new leads? 

If you look several pages back (about 155 I think) I made the assumption that you can breifly hear good ol' Big Ben in the background of the "breathing scene".
It speculates that Shepard is infact in London when they woke up meaning if IT is false it is another factor added to all the stuff that doesn't make sence about suriving the Citadale blowing up.

I've watched and listen to the breath scene a hundred times (probably more) are you describing some kind of ringing sound? I can definitly say there's some kind of whislte or high pitched hissing in the background just before the breath is taken while the camera is still moving.

For me, the concrete rubble is what's telling of Shepard being back on Earth.

[Icinix]

HyperGlass wrote...

Ravereth wrote...

[offtopic.]You can just click on this Bioware Tag and check...[/offtopic.]

BTW. Do we have any new leads? 

If you look several pages back (about 155 I think) I made the assumption that you can breifly hear good ol' Big Ben in the background of the "breathing scene".
It speculates that Shepard is infact in London when they woke up meaning if IT is false it is another factor added to all the stuff that doesn't make sence about suriving the Citadale blowing up.

What we really need, is to get some definite confirmation of whatever that bloody shiny torpedo looking thing is int he background.

Since the cinematic is made from in game assets, the asset must be in the game somewhere. It kind of looks like the conduit for sure, but its still got very sharp curves and its just way too shiny.

I think finding that asset and where its used will go a long way to figuring it all out.

[HyperGlass]

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...


I've watched and listen to the breath scene a hundred times (probably more) are you describing some kind of ringing sound? I can definitly say there's some kind of whislte or high pitched hissing in the background just before the breath is taken while the camera is still moving.

For me, the concrete rubble is what's telling of Shepard being back on Earth.

If you're watching the video linked then it starts at about 0:03 seconds in. You may wish to turn up your volume too as it is faint but way before Shep wakes up.

[gunslinger_ruiz]

HyperGlass wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...


I've watched and listen to the breath scene a hundred times (probably more) are you describing some kind of ringing sound? I can definitly say there's some kind of whislte or high pitched hissing in the background just before the breath is taken while the camera is still moving.

For me, the concrete rubble is what's telling of Shepard being back on Earth.

If you're watching the video linked then it starts at about 0:03 seconds in. You may wish to turn up your volume too as it is faint but way before Shep wakes up.

I use my own high quality recording, youtube loses a lot when uploaded for some reason. From the start I can hear a building straining, then what some people call a Reaper howl in the distance but to me it sounds like a building/metal straining, if you pump up the volume the next distcint thing you hear is some kind of tapping or ticking, not quite like footsteps (1-2-3---4), then nothing but the wind in the background, then if you REALLY turn things up you can hear the very quiet whistle I mentioned, then the breath, then the armor flexing with the breath, end video.

I don't hear anything resemblind Big Ben's chime or anything of a bell-nature.