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[TJBartlemus]

For some reason I believe that people in threads just ignore proof that opposes their point of view that they can't find something wrong with in it. And if they do reply it is something that is not related or is extremely weak.

I only say this cause I'm floating around the other threads and I have yet to get an answer on one of them. *sigh*

Modifié par TJBartlemus, 08 juillet 2012 - 11:54 .

[Riot86]

Arian Dynas wrote...

*snip*

Hey Riot, long time no see. Read that guy's post, and well, more people SHOULD read him, he put it beautifully.

Yeah, unfortunately I was really busy the last few days (and still am )...only found time to lurk a bit now and then

But I'm pretty optimistic that my schedule will very soon be less packed and I can rejoin the discussion again 



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Somethink totally off topic:

I was always wondering why the star behind TIM at the ending of Mass Effect 2 changed color depending on your choice at the Collector Base. I know, this was done to artistically illustrate the Paragon respectively Renegade nature of your decision. But from a literal point of view this color change made no friggin sense

But then I played Mass Effect 1 again...

And I asked myself:
Was Cronos Station always in the Horsehead Nebula? Is it really that wise to have TWO super secret Cerberus space stations (Cronos and Minuteman) in the same cluster? And not just any random cluster but in fact one which is most likely frequently visited by a lot of spaceships as one of the most important economical and scientific sites in Citadel Space (Noveria) is located there? Or is Cronos Station maybe "movable"?

The reason for these question was something I stumbled across during the "Geth Incursion" quest line in the Armstrong Nebula...



This is Maji in the Vamshi System. And I guess the picture speaks for itself. If Cronos Station would be located in this system (which it isn't - I know) we would have a great literal explanation for the color change

Modifié par Riot86, 08 juillet 2012 - 11:57 .

[estebanus]

Wait a second... Is that you, Hellish? I didn't recognize you at all without your batarian avatar!

[byne]

estebanus wrote...

Wait a second... Is that you, Hellish? I didn't recognize you at all without your batarian avatar!

DO YOU SEE HOW IT FEELS, ESTEBANUS?! 

[HellishFiend]

Dwailing wrote...

You know, I actually had a thought about Refuse that makes it NOT a bad idea.  Refuse believes that you can win conventionally.  Destroy requires the use of the Crucible, which requires Starbinger to function.  Without the Catalyst, the Crucible is useless.  Which means that, even in Destroy, you STILL are reliant on Starbinger to win the war.  Also, there's one more thing.  Refuse is, from an absolute face-value interpretation, THE most repulsive of the choices  once you, the player, know what it does.  And assuming that you, the player, is the one REALLY being indoctrinated, not just Shepard, then that would mean that Refuse, being what is seemingly the worst choice, would actually be the BEST choice since it's the one that the PLAYER would have the hardest time choosing once s/he knows what it does.  Or maybe I'm just nuts. 

Gonna have to go with nuts.  You're somewhat contradicting yourself by picking and choosing elements of mutually exclusive interpretations to support your view of Refuse. A little face-value here... a little player-indoc there... voila!  If you stick to any one interpretation, Refuse is always a bad choice no matter how you look at it. Face value, Shep Indoc, Player Indoc, refuse causes you to lose no matter what. 

[Dwailing]

byne wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Wait a second... Is that you, Hellish? I didn't recognize you at all without your batarian avatar!

DO YOU SEE HOW IT FEELS, ESTEBANUS?! 

Don't worry Byne, I won't ever change my avatar (At least not until an even MORE awesome picture of Garrus becomes available. ).

[FreddyCast]

byne wrote...

zigamortis wrote...

Evolution is a force that should not be forced. And to change someone without their will is morally corupt. Administering a vaccination is not the same as transforming someone into roboman, as a vaccine is to prevent a legitimate illness, not to expidite evolution and create a perversion of nature.

The worst part is, the godchild himself literally tells you that. He says past attempts at synthesis have failed because it cannot be forced, then he tells you to go ahead and force it, and we're supposed to believe it worked out just fine?

Hmm, i should have a random picture lying around that will illustrate my response to the godchild....


Ah, here we go!

Hey byne, can you do me a favor and put links on your post to my videos on "Indoctrination Theory- ME3 Extended Cut DLC Analysis"
Here's my vids.
Part 1

Part 2

I'd like for the Indoctrination Theory to have a bigger voice in a post-EC era.

[estebanus]

Riot86 wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

*snip*

Hey Riot, long time no see. Read that guy's post, and well, more people SHOULD read him, he put it beautifully.

Yeah, unfortunately I was really busy the last few days (and still am )...only found time to lurk a bit now and then

But I'm pretty optimistic that my schedule will very soon be less packed and I can rejoin the discussion again 



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Somethink of topic:

I was always wondering why the star behind TIM at the ending of Mass Effect 2 changed color depending on your choice at the Collector Base. I know, this was done to artistically illustrate the Paragon respectively Renegade nature of your decision. But from a literal point of view this color change made no friggin sense

But then I played Mass Effect 1 again...

And I asked myself:
Was Cronos Station always in the Horsehead Nebula? Is it really that wise to have TWO super secret Cerberus space stations (Cronos and Minuteman) in the same cluster? And not just any random cluster but in fact one which is most likely frequently visited by a lot of spaceships as one of the most important economical and scientific sites in Citadel Space (Noveria) is located there? Or is Cronos Station maybe "movable"?

The reason for these question was something I stumbled across during the "Geth Incursion" quest line in the Armstrong Nebula...



This is Maji in the  Vamshi System. And I guess the picture speaks for itself. If Cronos Station would be located in this system (which it isn't - I know) we would have a great literal explanation for the color change

It is stated in Mass Effect: retribution that the illusive man's base traveled between different systems in order to minimize detection, so your idea is till valid!

[HellishFiend]

estebanus wrote...

Wait a second... Is that you, Hellish? I didn't recognize you at all without your batarian avatar!

Yeah, its me.  I announced the change when I made it yesterday, but didnt want to overdo things by announcing it every day to make sure everyone saw it. 

[TJBartlemus]

byne wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Wait a second... Is that you, Hellish? I didn't recognize you at all without your batarian avatar!

DO YOU SEE HOW IT FEELS, ESTEBANUS?! 

That's why I just stay with the same character in my avatars. I may change the pic but not the character. Just so my fans recognise me... 

[estebanus]

byne wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Wait a second... Is that you, Hellish? I didn't recognize you at all without your batarian avatar!

DO YOU SEE HOW IT FEELS, ESTEBANUS?! 

God, I didn't know you were so offended by it! 

[HellishFiend]

FreddyCast wrote...
Hey byne, can you do me a favor and put links on your post to my videos on "Indoctrination Theory- ME3 Extended Cut DLC Analysis"
Here's my vids.
Part 1

Part 2

I'd like for the Indoctrination Theory to have a bigger voice in a post-EC era.

Heck, if you do that, go ahead and throw Choose Wisely and Sounds of Possession in there too, under whatever category you deem appropriate. 

[estebanus]

TJBartlemus wrote...

byne wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Wait a second... Is that you, Hellish? I didn't recognize you at all without your batarian avatar!

DO YOU SEE HOW IT FEELS, ESTEBANUS?! 

That's why I just stay with the same character in my avatars. I may change the pic but not the character. Just so my fans recognise me... 

Are you saying that I have fans, and that they're offended by me changing my avatar?

[byne]

FreddyCast wrote...

Hey byne, can you do me a favor and put links on your post to my videos on "Indoctrination Theory- ME3 Extended Cut DLC Analysis"
Here's my vids.
Part 1

Part 2

I'd like for the Indoctrination Theory to have a bigger voice in a post-EC era.

I generally like to watch videos before adding them to the OP, and I have been kind of busy recently and havent yet watched your vids.

Is it ok if I add them later tonight after watching them?

[estebanus]

HellishFiend wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Wait a second... Is that you, Hellish? I didn't recognize you at all without your batarian avatar!

Yeah, its me.  I announced the change when I made it yesterday, but didnt want to overdo things by announcing it every day to make sure everyone saw it. 

Well, I like your new avatar! It suits you!

Modifié par estebanus, 09 juillet 2012 - 12:00 .

[HellishFiend]

Riot86 wrote...

This is Maji in the Vamshi System. And I guess the picture speaks for itself. If Cronos Station would be located in this system (which it isn't - I know) we would have a great literal explanation for the color change

Nice find, Riot! I always assumed that TIM simply moved the base to a different system post-suicide mission depending on your choice, but this explanation seems just as likely. 

[HellishFiend]

estebanus wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Wait a second... Is that you, Hellish? I didn't recognize you at all without your batarian avatar!

Yeah, its me.  I announced the change when I made it yesterday, but didnt want to overdo things by announcing it every day to make sure everyone saw it. 

Well, I like your new avatar! I suits you!

Thanks, I thought so too! And now my posts have clipboard-enhanced credibility. 

[Auralius Carolus]

HellishFiend wrote...

Unsurprisingly, since Shep has to be very naive to think Synthesis is a good choice, he dreams up a very naive scenario where it all works out. Synthehusk only gets a small cameo, because he chooses not to think about the unpleasant implications of having to incorporate Reaper monstrosities into galactic society. 

I was just thinking of something similar yesterday: I was reading about attempts to bring back the 300-year extinct Aurocks cattle to fight the beech tree take-over in Europe. Meanwhile, I was pondering, "How is it that these same people preach evolution and natural selection one minute, then resort to bio-engineering and artificial selection the next? What great hypocrisy people can show..."

Evolution is subjective, cyclic and circumstancial, not static or hierarchical. You dominate or you die, which is exactly what the Reapers practice, in spite of their insistance of an evolutionary apex.

[byne]

HellishFiend wrote...

estebanus wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Wait a second... Is that you, Hellish? I didn't recognize you at all without your batarian avatar!

Yeah, its me.  I announced the change when I made it yesterday, but didnt want to overdo things by announcing it every day to make sure everyone saw it. 

Well, I like your new avatar! I suits you!

Thanks, I thought so too! And now my posts have clipboard-enhanced credibility. 

Wait, did you change your avatar again since you first changed it? Because I remember I totally couldnt see any form of clipboard and just had to take your word for it last night, but now its all bright and I can see it.

[FreddyCast]

byne wrote...

FreddyCast wrote...

Hey byne, can you do me a favor and put links on your post to my videos on "Indoctrination Theory- ME3 Extended Cut DLC Analysis"
Here's my vids.
Part 1

Part 2

I'd like for the Indoctrination Theory to have a bigger voice in a post-EC era.

I generally like to watch videos before adding them to the OP, and I have been kind of busy recently and havent yet watched your vids.

Is it ok if I add them later tonight after watching them?

Sure, I always welcome people to review my vids before they decide to do anything with it. I just assumed you already watched, but take your time.

[HellishFiend]

byne wrote...

Wait, did you change your avatar again since you first changed it? Because I remember I totally couldnt see any form of clipboard and just had to take your word for it last night, but now its all bright and I can see it.

Yeah, it was pointed out in a PM that it was rather dark, so I brightened it up significantly. 

[Riot86]

estebanus wrote...

Riot86 wrote...

*snip*

It is stated in Mass Effect: retribution that the illusive man's base traveled between different systems in order to minimize detection, so your idea is till valid!

Really? That's good to know, thanks for the info

(BTW: Do you guys have new profile pictures? Kinda confussing at first to see so many familar names with unfamiliar faces right beside them )

Modifié par Riot86, 09 juillet 2012 - 12:05 .

[TJBartlemus]

Riot86 wrote...
Really? That's good to know, thanks for the info

(BTW: Do you guys have new profile pictures? Kinda confussing at first to see so many familar names with unfamiliar faces right beside them )

I got a new one. Not too different but enough. And I lost my IT badge.  Had to make room for WNT. So wish there was more than 4 lines visible in the signiture.

Modifié par TJBartlemus, 09 juillet 2012 - 12:07 .

[HellishFiend]

Auralius Carolus wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Unsurprisingly, since Shep has to be very naive to think Synthesis is a good choice, he dreams up a very naive scenario where it all works out. Synthehusk only gets a small cameo, because he chooses not to think about the unpleasant implications of having to incorporate Reaper monstrosities into galactic society. 

I was just thinking of something similar yesterday: I was reading about attempts to bring back the 300-year extinct Aurocks cattle to fight the beech tree take-over in Europe. Meanwhile, I was pondering, "How is it that these same people preach evolution and natural selection one minute, then resort to bio-engineering and artificial selection the next? What great hypocrisy people can show..."

Evolution is subjective, cyclic and circumstancial, not static or hierarchical. You dominate or you die, which is exactly what the Reapers practice, in spite of their insistance of an evolutionary apex.

Very true. Unfortunately that is a very advanced concept from an educational standpoint, and I dont think most ME players are familiar with it. 

[Rifneno]

TJBartlemus wrote...

Unused line from main game file BIOGame_INT.tlk from conversation with Jondum Bau about the Alliance raid on Batarian research facility:

Right, the Leviathan of Dis. I've got my own sources.

Currently, Shepard instead asks him ]The batarians had Reaper technology?

Like I said last time this was brought up, have you considered he may just be talking about Balak? Balak tells Shepard about the Leviathan of Dis too. You just wouldn't see that line because we wound up getting the mission with Bau much earlier than the one with Balak.

Also, if the Leviathan of Dis is the same Leviathan we're told about being a renegade Reaper, why did its indoctrination make batarian scientists and officials aid the main Reaper force when they invaded? Considering that part of the script that says "OLD NAME FOR HARBINGER" in place of the actual old name for Harbinger, it's entirely possible "Leviathan" is just the working name they're using in development and they haven't decided on the final one. Very common thing. I'm not saying it IS the case and the renegade Reaper ISN'T the Leviathan of Dis, but we should at least consider the possibility.

Arian Dynas wrote...

It's tempting, It's meant to be. All of the choices, bar Destroy are tempting.

Destroy is the only one that seems truly realistic as a method to victory, Refuse is thinking you can win conventionally.

You can't.

Control is thinking you can adopt TIM's "The Ends Justify The Means" Philosophy to win and use Reaper tech against them.

You can't.

Synthesis is thinking you can come to some kind of agreement and basically appease them, but you mean nothing to them, so you can't.

You can't negotiate peace if you have no bargaining position.

I agree with all of it except your interpretation of refuse (though I agree 999% that conventional victory isn't possible, I honestly can't figure out where the holy hell people keep getting the idea it is) and that destroy seems truly realistic. When you think about it, destroy isn't very feasible either. The unanswerable question is "how does it work?"

There isn't some magic kryptonite that kills all types of technology. There just isn't. Electromagnetic pulse weapons have their limits, many of them, and they work on the presumption that said technology is based on our technology. Human technology. Earth technology. How many of our electronics are based on printed circuit boards? Remember how the Sovereign said that by leaving behind their technology, our civilization develops along the paths they desire? Same principle just without the evil. We tend to build upon existing technology so most of our stuff has a lot in common. A completely alien culture that developed in a different way in a different environment using different brains would be radically different than ours. Vulnerabilities that ours have likely would not apply to theirs and visa versa.

Consider too that the Reapers don't use any type of attack similar to destroy's anti-tech waves. Why not? Why wouldn't they create a small-scale version of it to target powerful enemy ships and the like? In fact the Reapers don't use any attack that moves at FTL and those waves obviously make light look like a crippled tortoise. Why not? If it's a feasible weapon then why don't they use an alternate version themselves? It would not only give it credibility but would reduce the Crucible's Deus Ex Machina factor.

marcelo_sdk wrote...

Hey guys, do u think BW will launch a DLC allowing us to win by conventional means? I saw that a lot of people, as myself, wanted from the beggining to do that, and having that option in EC was really great. But a lot, too, are very angry cause, even if u have a very high EMS, our cycle is defeated.

I sure hope not. They've been telling us the entire series that conventional victory isn't possible. It would be facepalm worthy to give it now. Current civilizations uniting and beating the Reapers would be like a band of a few hundred cavemen getting together with their clubs and defeating the entire United States armed forces with fighter jets and nuclear submarines. The technological, intellectual, and sheer power difference is so absurdly huge that... hell, I can't even find an appropriate analogy.