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[estebanus]

Riot86 wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Don't get too used to my current avatar! When I come home from the USA, I'll change it into my first Shepard!

The bolded part made me have a quick look at your profile...and only now I realize that you aren't an American but a fellow German

"German" is not entirely true. I may live in Germany, but I have no german family. My mom is american, and my dad is a dane. I only live in Germany, but since I am considered a german citizen, you're at least partly right!

Modifié par estebanus, 09 juillet 2012 - 12:33 .

[estebanus]

Rifneno wrote...

estebanus wrote...

I'm intrigued by this "leviathan" DLC rumor...

It's spelled "leak" not "rumor."

Yeah, I heard that it was supposedly leaked from the EC files, which really intrigues me. Did they ever do that before?

[Auralius Carolus]

masster blaster wrote...

So anything that we found to bring into IT?

And as Bioware said anything on Twitter, Facebook, or on the BSN?

My spies report minimal unusual activity. They've yet to breach the Edmonton headquarters, but... there is a feral cat that wanders about there.

[Arian Dynas]

estebanus wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

byne wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Wait a second... Is that you, Hellish? I didn't recognize you at all without your batarian avatar!

DO YOU SEE HOW IT FEELS, ESTEBANUS?! 

That's why I just stay with the same character in my avatars. I may change the pic but not the character. Just so my fans recognise me... 

Are you saying that I have fans, and that they're offended by me changing my avatar?

I inform my fans that I never change *flips luxriant locks* mmm Aoh! *winning smile*

(yes I absolutely am making fun.)

[byne]

HellishFiend wrote...

estebanus wrote...

byne wrote...

I should change my avatar daily.

Just to screw with you guys.

No! Don't! Everyone here only knows you as Liara!

The thread might implode if he did. People would click on it, see the wrong avatar, and leave because they assumed they were in the wrong thread. 

Meh, no worries really, since I've never actually gotten DA:O to upload a character picture that I could modify.

I think its probably because I have the Mac version <_<

[Arian Dynas]

HellishFiend wrote...

Riot86 wrote...

This is Maji in the Vamshi System. And I guess the picture speaks for itself. If Cronos Station would be located in this system (which it isn't - I know) we would have a great literal explanation for the color change

Nice find, Riot! I always assumed that TIM simply moved the base to a different system post-suicide mission depending on your choice, but this explanation seems just as likely. 

Makes sense to me, more than likely he  just rotates between several systems in the Horsehead Nebula.

[HellishFiend]

Arian, I just noticed we have the exact same amount of profile views! *high five*  Or at least we did, until I clicked on your profile and gave you another one. 

[estebanus]

Auralius Carolus wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

So anything that we found to bring into IT?

And as Bioware said anything on Twitter, Facebook, or on the BSN?

My spies report minimal unusual activity. They've yet to breach the Edmonton headquarters, but... there is a feral cat that wanders about there.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!:D:D:D

[Rifneno]

estebanus wrote...

Yeah, I heard that it was supposedly leaked from the EC files, which really intrigues me. Did they ever do that before?

That was what I meant.  It wasn't intended to be an actual correction, just a joking way of saying it's legitimately a leak.  Because yeah, it came with the EC files.  Almost make me wonder if they put that "renegade Reaper" leak in there just to assure us that Starbinger is full of crap about a collective Reaper mind.

I believe so.  If nothing else, Kasumi.  Before the DLC was announced someone found her data in the files.  Even enabled her as a squadmate, though obviously parts of it were missing.  There's also some of the obligatory" take back Omega" dialogue in the original files.

[Arian Dynas]

Auralius Carolus wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Unsurprisingly, since Shep has to be very naive to think Synthesis is a good choice, he dreams up a very naive scenario where it all works out. Synthehusk only gets a small cameo, because he chooses not to think about the unpleasant implications of having to incorporate Reaper monstrosities into galactic society. 

I was just thinking of something similar yesterday: I was reading about attempts to bring back the 300-year extinct Aurocks cattle to fight the beech tree take-over in Europe. Meanwhile, I was pondering, "How is it that these same people preach evolution and natural selection one minute, then resort to bio-engineering and artificial selection the next? What great hypocrisy people can show..."

Evolution is subjective, cyclic and circumstancial, not static or hierarchical. You dominate or you die, which is exactly what the Reapers practice, in spite of their insistance of an evolutionary apex.

The Reapers have never been beaten. They have every reason to believe they are the end of evolution, they have outdone nearly every other race that has ever existed, they make their case pretty well. As far as they are concerned, they can adapt to anything and thrive through it.

And it draws a few disturbing parallels to Javik's "Universal Imperative" philosophy... 

[byne]

Rifneno wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Yeah, I heard that it was supposedly leaked from the EC files, which really intrigues me. Did they ever do that before?

That was what I meant.  It wasn't intended to be an actual correction, just a joking way of saying it's legitimately a leak.  Because yeah, it came with the EC files.  Almost make me wonder if they put that "renegade Reaper" leak in there just to assure us that Starbinger is full of crap about a collective Reaper mind.

I believe so.  If nothing else, Kasumi.  Before the DLC was announced someone found her data in the files.  Even enabled her as a squadmate, though obviously parts of it were missing.  There's also some of the obligatory" take back Omega" dialogue in the original files.

There was also some early Shadow Broker stuff in the ME2 files, I believe.

[masster blaster]

estebanus wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

So anything that we found to bring into IT?

And as Bioware said anything on Twitter, Facebook, or on the BSN?

Nope, at this point its just status quo until we find out what they have to say at comic-con. 

I'm intrigued by this "leviathan" DLC rumor...

I don't like about most of Comic-con will be about the evelution of Mass Effect ( cough the evelution of a Reaper) and the MP dlc, and very little about the SP DLC. So ya, and do you think they will get mad if somebody ask " HAY WHAT ABOUT IT" just saying. Maybe we should ask them the hard questions that they can not aviode, and do it with a very sincer tone.

Also ask Why is the Catalyst look like the Child, and Why is it that Coats is on the Citadel, and Why is Shepard still have the Breath scene in Destroy after the Epilogue is done. Also Why is the rely in the Sol System is blowing up in the Viper nebula.  But I doubt they will talk about IT or any of the stuff, but oh and The Normandy Evac scene, and why did Harby not blow up the Normandy/talk to Shepard, in Reaper language.

[HellishFiend]

masster blaster wrote...

I don't like about most of Comic-con will be about the evelution of Mass Effect ( cough the evelution of a Reaper) and the MP dlc, and very little about the SP DLC. So ya, and do you think they will get mad if somebody ask " HAY WHAT ABOUT IT" just saying. Maybe we should ask them the hard questions that they can not aviode, and do it with a very sincer tone.

Also ask Why is the Catalyst look like the Child, and Why is it that Coats is on the Citadel, and Why is Shepard still have the Breath scene in Destroy after the Epilogue is done. Also Why is the rely in the Sol System is blowing up in the Viper nebula.  But I doubt they will talk about IT or any of the stuff, but oh and The Normandy Evac scene, and why did Harby not blow up the Normandy/talk to Shepard, in Reaper language.

Keep in mind that BW has had the habit of not officially announcing DLC until 2-3 days before it's actual release. For all we know, the announcement for the DLC of the big IT reveal could come any week (though I doubt it). Point being, we cant assume they wont have much to say about SP DLC at comiccon, because they could be planning anything. 

[byne]

masster blaster wrote...

So ya, and do you think they will get mad if somebody ask " HAY WHAT ABOUT IT" just saying. Maybe we should ask them the hard questions that they can not aviode, and do it with a very sincer tone.

Yknow, I dont think I've ever seen you spell hey correctly. Do you think thats how it is actually spelled, or do you misspell it on purpose?

[masster blaster]

estebanus wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

estebanus wrote...

I'm intrigued by this "leviathan" DLC rumor...

It's spelled "leak" not "rumor."

Yeah, I heard that it was supposedly leaked from the EC files, which really intrigues me. Did they ever do that before?

maybe to say " Hay if you picked Control a Reaper will kill you. Probale Harby, or the leviathan. Or maybe the leviathan is the Main/first Reaper/Catalyst/Indoctrinating Shepard.

Modifié par masster blaster, 09 juillet 2012 - 12:42 .

[Andromidius]

Rifneno wrote...
I sure hope not. They've been telling us the entire series that conventional victory isn't possible. It would be facepalm worthy to give it now. Current civilizations uniting and beating the Reapers would be like a band of a few hundred cavemen getting together with their clubs and defeating the entire United States armed forces with fighter jets and nuclear submarines. The technological, intellectual, and sheer power difference is so absurdly huge that... hell, I can't even find an appropriate analogy.

I'd be okay if they did an unconventional victory DLC.  Victory isn't impossible, but fighting it like a normal war won't work.  Its the same deal with past conflicts - namely Vietnam, where conventional US tactics didn't work against the guerilla tactics of the Vietcong, or the American War of Independance where Washington rarely commited to pitched battles because he simply couldn't stand toe to toe with the British armies.  You've got to think out of the box and adapt if you want to beat a technologically superior opponant.

And honestly I don't find the Crucible to be a good dues ex machina device to win this unconventional war.  I find the massive multi-species alliance with reverse engineered Reaper weaponry and a rogue Reaper ally, led by a charismatic hero and using new tactics to be a much better alternative.

It would never be easy, but I can see all of that at least causing the Reapers moment to pause and rethink their strategies.  If a crippled and isolated Prothean Empire can hold out for centuries, I'm sure a united galaxy can survive for quite some times too - and heck, the Reapers already took more losses then they did against the Protheans.  So something is going right already.

[Auralius Carolus]

Arian Dynas wrote...

Auralius Carolus wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Unsurprisingly, since Shep has to be very naive to think Synthesis is a good choice, he dreams up a very naive scenario where it all works out. Synthehusk only gets a small cameo, because he chooses not to think about the unpleasant implications of having to incorporate Reaper monstrosities into galactic society. 

I was just thinking of something similar yesterday: I was reading about attempts to bring back the 300-year extinct Aurocks cattle to fight the beech tree take-over in Europe. Meanwhile, I was pondering, "How is it that these same people preach evolution and natural selection one minute, then resort to bio-engineering and artificial selection the next? What great hypocrisy people can show..."

Evolution is subjective, cyclic and circumstancial, not static or hierarchical. You dominate or you die, which is exactly what the Reapers practice, in spite of their insistance of an evolutionary apex.

The Reapers have never been beaten. They have every reason to believe they are the end of evolution, they have outdone nearly every other race that has ever existed, they make their case pretty well. As far as they are concerned, they can adapt to anything and thrive through it.

And it draws a few disturbing parallels to Javik's "Universal Imperative" philosophy... 

Which was exactly what Sovereign was professing before he got the Reaper Blue Screen of Death. If that effect could be multiplied, *poof*, dead Reaper parts everyone. Unless you're a Destroyer, because apparently they can't be broken apart no matter what. <_<

[Dwailing]

HellishFiend wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

You know, I actually had a thought about Refuse that makes it NOT a bad idea.  Refuse believes that you can win conventionally.  Destroy requires the use of the Crucible, which requires Starbinger to function.  Without the Catalyst, the Crucible is useless.  Which means that, even in Destroy, you STILL are reliant on Starbinger to win the war.  Also, there's one more thing.  Refuse is, from an absolute face-value interpretation, THE most repulsive of the choices  once you, the player, know what it does.  And assuming that you, the player, is the one REALLY being indoctrinated, not just Shepard, then that would mean that Refuse, being what is seemingly the worst choice, would actually be the BEST choice since it's the one that the PLAYER would have the hardest time choosing once s/he knows what it does.  Or maybe I'm just nuts. 

Gonna have to go with nuts.  You're somewhat contradicting yourself by picking and choosing elements of mutually exclusive interpretations to support your view of Refuse. A little face-value here... a little player-indoc there... voila!  If you stick to any one interpretation, Refuse is always a bad choice no matter how you look at it. Face value, Shep Indoc, Player Indoc, refuse causes you to lose no matter what. 

OK, I guess I might just be nuts.  But my question is this, why would they put Rejection in if it was just another way to make you indoctrinated?  We ALREADY have two of those (Which are VERY popular in SOME circles, I might add.).  I still think that Rejection, is a way to break free.  If you were to believe the Star-Brat, it's THE worst move that Shepard can make.  If you keep telling it you won't use the Crucible, it seems to get more and more disgruntled.  If it's just another way to be indoctrinated, why wouldn't it tell you that you could always just ignore it?  Why would it make SUCH a big deal out of you doing nothing?  I mean, you're in a hallucination, right?  And while you're in the hallucination, you're not fighting.  Why would he be upset if you ignored him and decided to stay in the hallucination, while he says nothing at all when you choose Destroy and supposedly break free?  To quote Corporal Jenkins, "There must be somethin' else goin' on."

Which context are you in with that post, though? Your seem to jump around to different contexts depending on which point you're trying to make.  

But to answer your question, the Reject ending is there because the players demanded it. Hence why Shep looks at the camera while delivering his pointless diatribe. 

Now here's a question for you: If you had a lucid-quality dream in which the neurons of your brain were being rewired, and in that dream, your family and everyone you ever cared about were killed, how do you think that would affect you? 

 
It wouldn't make me want to give in if that's what you're suggesting.  I'd want to take out whatever was responsible.  I'd want to pull a Max Payne and DESTROY whatever was responsible, EXACTLY what Shepard would want to do.  It wouldn't break him, it would make him ANGRY.  It would make him want revenge.  What was that line from Garrus?  Something about, "The Collectors killed you once and all it did was **** you off."  And then something else about not being able to imagine what would happen if they tried again?  Yeah, think that, but the WHOLE OF THE GALAXY.  Shepard would have more rage than Asura, Kratos, and... Alex Mercer, was it? combined.  And for the record, I'd probably be VERY upset, but the Unstopable Rage would DEFINITELY be there.

Edit: Also, if I don't seem to provide what you call "context", it's because I try to keep an open mind and look at everything, not just what's included in one theory or another.  This is the way I see it.

Modifié par Dwailing, 09 juillet 2012 - 12:48 .

[masster blaster]

HellishFiend wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

I don't like about most of Comic-con will be about the evelution of Mass Effect ( cough the evelution of a Reaper) and the MP dlc, and very little about the SP DLC. So ya, and do you think they will get mad if somebody ask " HAY WHAT ABOUT IT" just saying. Maybe we should ask them the hard questions that they can not aviode, and do it with a very sincer tone.

Also ask Why is the Catalyst look like the Child, and Why is it that Coats is on the Citadel, and Why is Shepard still have the Breath scene in Destroy after the Epilogue is done. Also Why is the rely in the Sol System is blowing up in the Viper nebula.  But I doubt they will talk about IT or any of the stuff, but oh and The Normandy Evac scene, and why did Harby not blow up the Normandy/talk to Shepard, in Reaper language.

Keep in mind that BW has had the habit of not officially announcing DLC until 2-3 days before it's actual release. For all we know, the announcement for the DLC of the big IT reveal could come any week (though I doubt it). Point being, we cant assume they wont have much to say about SP DLC at comiccon, because they could be planning anything. 

So long as Synthesis, and Control is not the right endings, then i am okay with Destroy/Refues, even though they come at a price.

[Arian Dynas]

Rifneno wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

It's tempting, It's meant to be. All of the choices, bar Destroy are tempting.

Destroy is the only one that seems truly realistic as a method to victory, Refuse is thinking you can win conventionally.

You can't.

Control is thinking you can adopt TIM's "The Ends Justify The Means" Philosophy to win and use Reaper tech against them.

You can't.

Synthesis is thinking you can come to some kind of agreement and basically appease them, but you mean nothing to them, so you can't.

You can't negotiate peace if you have no bargaining position.

I agree with all of it except your interpretation of refuse (though I agree 999% that conventional victory isn't possible, I honestly can't figure out where the holy hell people keep getting the idea it is) and that destroy seems truly realistic. When you think about it, destroy isn't very feasible either. The unanswerable question is "how does it work?"

There isn't some magic kryptonite that kills all types of technology. There just isn't. Electromagnetic pulse weapons have their limits, many of them, and they work on the presumption that said technology is based on our technology. Human technology. Earth technology. How many of our electronics are based on printed circuit boards? Remember how the Sovereign said that by leaving behind their technology, our civilization develops along the paths they desire? Same principle just without the evil. We tend to build upon existing technology so most of our stuff has a lot in common. A completely alien culture that developed in a different way in a different environment using different brains would be radically different than ours. Vulnerabilities that ours have likely would not apply to theirs and visa versa.

Consider too that the Reapers don't use any type of attack similar to destroy's anti-tech waves. Why not? Why wouldn't they create a small-scale version of it to target powerful enemy ships and the like? In fact the Reapers don't use any attack that moves at FTL and those waves obviously make light look like a crippled tortoise. Why not? If it's a feasible weapon then why don't they use an alternate version themselves? It would not only give it credibility but would reduce the Crucible's Deus Ex Machina factor.

I would argue that the implication of Destroy is more along the lines of being willing to seek less conventional methods, as well as willing to make sacrifices and accept there will be losses, rather than more conventional tactics.

I still am in the camp that says; Crucible = Reaper Gas-Station/ Power Source for the Dark Space Citadel Relay, with our method of victory being that we hotwire the thing so that it turns into a massive Secondary Relay without the safety protocols built in that keep relays from charging up if something is in the way, basically turning it into a massive Mass Accelerator Cannon.

[Riot86]

Dwailing wrote...

Sheesh, there are a LOT of Germans on this thread.  Are you guys smarter than us lowly United Statesians or something? 

Was there ever any doubt?
*runs for his life*

estebanus wrote...

"German" is not entirely true. I may live in Germany, but I have no german family. My mom is american, and my dad is a dane. I only live in Germany, but since I am considered a german citizen, you're at least partly right!

So you basically are familiar with three different cultures? That's awesome, I really envy you for such a multicultural way of growing up [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/smile.png[/smilie]

Modifié par Riot86, 09 juillet 2012 - 12:54 .

[masster blaster]

byne wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

So ya, and do you think they will get mad if somebody ask " HEY WHAT ABOUT IT" just saying. Maybe we should ask them the hard questions that they can not aviode, and do it with a very sincer tone.

Yknow, I dont think I've ever seen you spell hey correctly. Do you think thats how it is actually spelled, or do you misspell it on purpose?

When I am in the momunt on purpose, but if i am thinkingthen no, but I responded to quick, and did not check.

[Arian Dynas]

estebanus wrote...

byne wrote...

I should change my avatar daily.

Just to screw with you guys.

No! Don't! Everyone here only knows you as Liara!

Yeah! You're the manliest Liara around!

[Arian Dynas]

Dwailing wrote...

Riot86 wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Don't get too used to my current avatar! When I come home from the USA, I'll change it into my first Shepard!

The bolded part made me have a quick look at your profile...and only now I realize that you aren't an American but a fellow German

Sheesh, there are a LOT of Germans on this thread.  Are you guys smarter than us lowly United Statesians or something? 

Americans! /Bandit Keith

[Arian Dynas]

HellishFiend wrote...

Arian, I just noticed we have the exact same amount of profile views! *high five*  Or at least we did, until I clicked on your profile and gave you another one. 

Lol, I do? Geez.