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[Andromidius]

Arian Dynas wrote...

And the best part? We have alot of little, subtle foreshadowing that indicates a massive Mass Accelerator for the idea.

Yep.  And as you said, even if it was a weapon that could snipe Reapers from halfway across the Galaxy it wouldn't be controlled by the Alliance.  It's controlled by the Reapers.  They are holding onto the gun, the Alliance is loading it for them and ignoring the fact its pointed directly at their head.

Brilliant stuff.

[HellishFiend]

Dwailing wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

That sort of hubris (that you're, by nature, above indoctrination) only leads to further corruption, in my opinion. Happened to Saren, and ostensibly TIM as well. 

Though yes, anyone is welcome to jump in here, either way, and offer additional perspective on the issue. 

Actually, new perspective, if Shepard's brain had ALREADY been rewritten, and he was ALREADY not him/herself, then NOTHING you do will make a difference.  S/he'd already be past the point of no return.  I'm hoping it hasn't come to that yet. 

Due to some new conclusions that Turbo and I have recently drawn, the picture is starting to become that starting from Cronos station, your resolve (and by association, your resistance to Indoctrination) are actually being tested the whole way through right up until the final decision chamber choice. We're planning on doing a full video presentation on it eventually, but just as an example, the very first video log dialog choice, which appears to be paragon/renegade, is actually weak willed/strong willed. Top option gives you "damn, I dunno, maybe I'm a VI, maybe I'm not me", bottom option brushes it off as meaningless and as having no effect on your morale. That theme of strong/weak is consistent throughout the entire endgame sequence starting from Cronos. 

Point being, I think the endgame is all about how far your indoctrination will have progressed by the time the "credits roll" rather than whether it's entirely successful or unsuccessful. 

[byne]

estebanus wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...


I am a born American, part German and living in Germany. WHAT U GONNA DO NOW?

Sorry. Couldn't help myself.

Damn, you're almost like me, Lex0r!

I lived in Ramstein-Miesenbach for 3 years. Does that count?

[Dwailing]

Andromidius wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

And the best part? We have alot of little, subtle foreshadowing that indicates a massive Mass Accelerator for the idea.

Yep.  And as you said, even if it was a weapon that could snipe Reapers from halfway across the Galaxy it wouldn't be controlled by the Alliance.  It's controlled by the Reapers.  They are holding onto the gun, the Alliance is loading it for them and ignoring the fact its pointed directly at their head.

Brilliant stuff.

If you've got a gun in your face chances are good you'll do what the other man says.  Only two people don't buckle at that point, trained killers, and psychopaths.  Most people can't tell the difference.

[masster blaster]

Priss Blackburne wrote...

omg I think I need time away... I'm starting to see IT everywhere....interview with Lance henrickson about the endings...why does he say there was not enough closure if the player loses...the abruptness of the ending if you lost. Could just be misunderstanding but that was after he did the VO work.

I'm going crazy I say crazy:o

www.g4tv.com/videos/58573/lance-henriksen-talks-about-the-new-mass-effect-3-ending/

actually I really do think this is driving me crazy a bit :O:O

Could be IT. If I was playing ME3 and i already knew that Destroy was the right ending, then there is not point of Synthesis,Control, and Maybe reject/Refues endings. So I think they are trying to say, instead of a mission failed scene, they wanted to add to the endings, and later revele which one is the right one. So they give us four endings know and they want us to think about what i happenings, and which ones is the Best ending.

[estebanus]

byne wrote...

estebanus wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...


I am a born American, part German and living in Germany. WHAT U GONNA DO NOW?

Sorry. Couldn't help myself.

Damn, you're almost like me, Lex0r!

I lived in Ramstein-Miesenbach for 3 years. Does that count?

You need to be multi-national! 

Although, I'm kinda curious... Where do you actually live?

[Arian Dynas]

Andromidius wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

And the best part? We have alot of little, subtle foreshadowing that indicates a massive Mass Accelerator for the idea.

Yep.  And as you said, even if it was a weapon that could snipe Reapers from halfway across the Galaxy it wouldn't be controlled by the Alliance.  It's controlled by the Reapers.  They are holding onto the gun, the Alliance is loading it for them and ignoring the fact its pointed directly at their head.

Brilliant stuff.

Forgot to add a few;  "What we learned about the feasabillity of Thanix Weapons against Reapers, while Kinetic Weapons are less effective, everything we learned about Mass Accelerators in general "A single paint chip, if accelerated to the speed of light can impact with the force of a 10 kiloton nuclear weapon" says the ME1 Codex "

But I am saying the Reapers use it as a powersource, the way to wrap up the story with an allied victory is to hotwire it, make it function as a weapon rather than a gas station. We might not kill every Reaper with it, but I am sure we can put a big enough dent in their numbers to even things up a bit, or at least make it costly enough for them to pull out, meaning we would not only have time to recover, but potentially go on the offensive, turning Earth into a sort of Reaper Stalingrad.

[byne]

estebanus wrote...

byne wrote...

estebanus wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...


I am a born American, part German and living in Germany. WHAT U GONNA DO NOW?

Sorry. Couldn't help myself.

Damn, you're almost like me, Lex0r!

I lived in Ramstein-Miesenbach for 3 years. Does that count?

You need to be multi-national! 

Although, I'm kinda curious... Where do you actually live?

Charleston, SC

[Andromidius]

Dwailing wrote...

If you've got a gun in your face chances are good you'll do what the other man says.  Only two people don't buckle at that point, trained killers, and psychopaths.  Most people can't tell the difference.

But it would have been an unloaded gun, and technically they'd not know it was a gun at all.  Which also adds to the brilliance.

[FifthBeatle]

Vaya wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

The Reapers have never been beaten. They have every reason to believe they are the end of evolution, they have outdone nearly every other race that has ever existed, they make their case pretty well. As far as they are concerned, they can adapt to anything and thrive through it.

And it draws a few disturbing parallels to Javik's "Universal Imperative" philosophy... 

One of my guesses as to the motives of the reapers was that the cycles were just how they stayed on top of the evolutionary chain.

I'm pretty sure that Starchild is being honest (albeit, in a roundabout way) about the Reapers' motives. In that by wiping out all advanced organic life every 50,000 years synthetics never get the chance to take over the galaxy, because organics will never get the chance to create them. This allows younger civilizations to evolve until it is their turn to be harvested. This cycle of birth and destruction keeps the galaxy alive.

As for why they took it upon themselves to do this in the first place? It is anybody's guess. Which is what I believe Mac Walters and Casey Hudson wanted all along based upon what I have seen from them. 

[Priss Blackburne]

masster blaster wrote...

Priss Blackburne wrote...

omg I think I need time away... I'm starting to see IT everywhere....interview with Lance henrickson about the endings...why does he say there was not enough closure if the player loses...the abruptness of the ending if you lost. Could just be misunderstanding but that was after he did the VO work.

I'm going crazy I say crazy:o

www.g4tv.com/videos/58573/lance-henriksen-talks-about-the-new-mass-effect-3-ending/

actually I really do think this is driving me crazy a bit :O:O

Could be IT. If I was playing ME3 and i already knew that Destroy was the right ending, then there is not point of Synthesis,Control, and Maybe reject/Refues endings. So I think they are trying to say, instead of a mission failed scene, they wanted to add to the endings, and later revele which one is the right one. So they give us four endings know and they want us to think about what i happenings, and which ones is the Best ending.

or just thought he could have been talking about the Refuse ending? since it was added and it was the you lose before where the reapers destroy the crucible if you stand around too much <_<

[Dwailing]

HellishFiend wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

That sort of hubris (that you're, by nature, above indoctrination) only leads to further corruption, in my opinion. Happened to Saren, and ostensibly TIM as well. 

Though yes, anyone is welcome to jump in here, either way, and offer additional perspective on the issue. 

Actually, new perspective, if Shepard's brain had ALREADY been rewritten, and he was ALREADY not him/herself, then NOTHING you do will make a difference.  S/he'd already be past the point of no return.  I'm hoping it hasn't come to that yet. 

Due to some new conclusions that Turbo and I have recently drawn, the picture is starting to become that starting from Cronos station, your resolve (and by association, your resistance to Indoctrination) are actually being tested the whole way through right up until the final decision chamber choice. We're planning on doing a full video presentation on it eventually, but just as an example, the very first video log dialog choice, which appears to be paragon/renegade, is actually weak willed/strong willed. Top option gives you "damn, I dunno, maybe I'm a VI, maybe I'm not me", bottom option brushes it off as meaningless and as having no effect on your morale. That theme of strong/weak is consistent throughout the entire endgame sequence starting from Cronos. 

Point being, I think the endgame is all about how far your indoctrination will have progressed by the time the "credits roll" rather than whether it's entirely successful or unsuccessful. 

Soooo, because I chose a bunch of the Paragon dialogue options, that means that I'm screwed?   Well then, I guess that's ONE way to satisfy all those Renegades out there who complain that Paragon decisions never have ANY negative repercussions.  And it would certainly do a good job at making that ME3 Renegade playthrough seem like more than just a long string of puppy kicking incidents. 

[estebanus]

byne wrote...

estebanus wrote...

byne wrote...

estebanus wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...


I am a born American, part German and living in Germany. WHAT U GONNA DO NOW?

Sorry. Couldn't help myself.

Damn, you're almost like me, Lex0r!

I lived in Ramstein-Miesenbach for 3 years. Does that count?

You need to be multi-national! 

Although, I'm kinda curious... Where do you actually live?

Charleston, SC

 

Ah, all right then. 

[Andromidius]

Arian Dynas wrote...
Forgot to add a few;  "What we learned about the feasabillity of Thanix Weapons against Reapers, while Kinetic Weapons are less effective, everything we learned about Mass Accelerators in general "A single paint chip, if accelerated to the speed of light can impact with the force of a 10 kiloton nuclear weapon" says the ME1 Codex "

But I am saying the Reapers use it as a powersource, the way to wrap up the story with an allied victory is to hotwire it, make it function as a weapon rather than a gas station. We might not kill every Reaper with it, but I am sure we can put a big enough dent in their numbers to even things up a bit, or at least make it costly enough for them to pull out, meaning we would not only have time to recover, but potentially go on the offensive, turning Earth into a sort of Reaper Stalingrad.

That works too.

[Arian Dynas]

FifthBeatle wrote...

Vaya wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

The Reapers have never been beaten. They have every reason to believe they are the end of evolution, they have outdone nearly every other race that has ever existed, they make their case pretty well. As far as they are concerned, they can adapt to anything and thrive through it.

And it draws a few disturbing parallels to Javik's "Universal Imperative" philosophy... 

One of my guesses as to the motives of the reapers was that the cycles were just how they stayed on top of the evolutionary chain.

I'm pretty sure that Starchild is being honest (albeit, in a roundabout way) about the Reapers' motives. In that by wiping out all advanced organic life every 50,000 years synthetics never get the chance to take over the galaxy, because organics will never get the chance to create them. This allows younger civilizations to evolve until it is their turn to be harvested. This cycle of birth and destruction keeps the galaxy alive.

As for why they took it upon themselves to do this in the first place? It is anybody's guess. Which is what I believe Mac Walters and Casey Hudson wanted all along based upon what I have seen from them. 

It seems I need to revise my Reaper Origin theory to incorporate a few new things like Simon's Selfish Meme hypothesis.

[Priss Blackburne]

Dwailing wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

That sort of hubris (that you're, by nature, above indoctrination) only leads to further corruption, in my opinion. Happened to Saren, and ostensibly TIM as well. 

Though yes, anyone is welcome to jump in here, either way, and offer additional perspective on the issue. 

Actually, new perspective, if Shepard's brain had ALREADY been rewritten, and he was ALREADY not him/herself, then NOTHING you do will make a difference.  S/he'd already be past the point of no return.  I'm hoping it hasn't come to that yet. 

Due to some new conclusions that Turbo and I have recently drawn, the picture is starting to become that starting from Cronos station, your resolve (and by association, your resistance to Indoctrination) are actually being tested the whole way through right up until the final decision chamber choice. We're planning on doing a full video presentation on it eventually, but just as an example, the very first video log dialog choice, which appears to be paragon/renegade, is actually weak willed/strong willed. Top option gives you "damn, I dunno, maybe I'm a VI, maybe I'm not me", bottom option brushes it off as meaningless and as having no effect on your morale. That theme of strong/weak is consistent throughout the entire endgame sequence starting from Cronos. 

Point being, I think the endgame is all about how far your indoctrination will have progressed by the time the "credits roll" rather than whether it's entirely successful or unsuccessful. 

Soooo, because I chose a bunch of the Paragon dialogue options, that means that I'm screwed?   Well then, I guess that's ONE way to satisfy all those Renegades out there who complain that Paragon decisions never have ANY negative repercussions.  And it would certainly do a good job at making that ME3 Renegade playthrough seem like more than just a long string of puppy kicking incidents. 

maybe if your being indoctrinated the choices are actually fliped in the dialogue wheel like in the colors for the choices at the ending?

[masster blaster]

masster blaster wrote...

UltimateTobi wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

UltimateTobi wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

UltimateTobi wrote...

No new evidences?
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x.x

Interesting. Maybe I should try a full on Renegade playthrough in ME3 and see if it really resembles a SarenShep?

Well, TBH I don't like Renegade Sheps. Especially not on ME3. There, he's the true human Reaper LOL. ^^

I just saw the part with Legion.

No thanks, I'll just take this as evidence that ME3 Renegade is Saren minus the eyes (which can be modded on).

You can Renegade-action Legion 3 times. 3 shots in total. That's a little rude. Poor Legion.

oh MY GOD. How could somebody do that to Legion, and Mordin, and Wrex. I never played as a Renegade Shepard ( only when Kai Leng scene/Udina Scene Not my squad Member But. If that's NOT a clear sign that Shepard is betraying his/her friends just like Reaper Indoctrination state, then Shepard is walking in the Reapers path as Renegade Shepard.

So do you think that we can use the killing Legion, Mordin, and Wrex scenes, as evidence to IT. Because the Reapers manipulate people into betraying friends. So do you think we can also use this as a way that even though Bioware scraped the Idea of losing Shepard  if the Reapers can gain Control over Shepard from time to time in until the end game. Or no because that"s just Renegade Shepard. killing his/her friends, that you some times can not Control if you are full Renegade.

[HellishFiend]

Dwailing wrote...
Soooo, because I chose a bunch of the Paragon dialogue options, that means that I'm screwed?   Well then, I guess that's ONE way to satisfy all those Renegades out there who complain that Paragon decisions never have ANY negative repercussions.  And it would certainly do a good job at making that ME3 Renegade playthrough seem like more than just a long string of puppy kicking incidents. 

Thats just the thing, it's not paragon dialog options anymore at that point. It's weak willed dialog options. If you replay the end sequence with that in mind, you'll see what I mean. 

Modifié par HellishFiend, 09 juillet 2012 - 01:15 .

[lex0r11]

byne wrote...

estebanus wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...


I am a born American, part German and living in Germany. WHAT U GONNA DO NOW?

Sorry. Couldn't help myself.

Damn, you're almost like me, Lex0r!

I lived in Ramstein-Miesenbach for 3 years. Does that count?

Only if you know some German phrases!

estebanus wrote...

[...]

Damn, you're almost like me, Lex0r!

Aber so was von.

[HellishFiend]

Priss Blackburne wrote...

maybe if your being indoctrinated the choices are actually fliped in the dialogue wheel like in the colors for the choices at the ending?

That's what I'm getting at, yes. It actually makes a lot of sense, since the colors of the decision chamber choice are actually flipped, it's reasonable to conclude that the same thing is being done as early as Cronos station, especially given the actual nature of the responses themselves. Blindly go with "paragon" each time, and you're digging yourself into a deeper hole. 

Modifié par HellishFiend, 09 juillet 2012 - 01:17 .

[Riot86]

Priss Blackburne wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Priss Blackburne wrote...

omg I think I need time away... I'm starting to see IT everywhere....interview with Lance henrickson about the endings...why does he say there was not enough closure if the player loses...the abruptness of the ending if you lost. Could just be misunderstanding but that was after he did the VO work.

I'm going crazy I say crazy:o

www.g4tv.com/videos/58573/lance-henriksen-talks-about-the-new-mass-effect-3-ending/

actually I really do think this is driving me crazy a bit :O:O

Could be IT. If I was playing ME3 and i already knew that Destroy was the right ending, then there is not point of Synthesis,Control, and Maybe reject/Refues endings. So I think they are trying to say, instead of a mission failed scene, they wanted to add to the endings, and later revele which one is the right one. So they give us four endings know and they want us to think about what i happenings, and which ones is the Best ending.

or just thought he could have been talking about the Refuse ending? since it was added and it was the you lose before where the reapers destroy the crucible if you stand around too much <_<

But Lance Henriksen didn't do any VO for the Refusal Ending

[Dwailing]

byne wrote...

estebanus wrote...

byne wrote...

estebanus wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...


I am a born American, part German and living in Germany. WHAT U GONNA DO NOW?

Sorry. Couldn't help myself.

Damn, you're almost like me, Lex0r!

I lived in Ramstein-Miesenbach for 3 years. Does that count?

You need to be multi-national! 

Although, I'm kinda curious... Where do you actually live?

Charleston, SC

Hey, I have a friend who lives in Charleston!  Unfortunately, she was the victim of a hit and run and is now recovering from a broken pelvis.  Yeah, some people can REALLY be jerks (I want to say far, FAR worse things about the guy who hit her, but I can't due to the fact that all of the things I WANT to call him are profanities.).  And the worst part (Besides the broken pelvis.)?  The guy hasn't been caught.  Yeah, life can suck, can't it?

BTW, nothing against you Byne, I certain that Charleston is a nice place, it's just that, you know, life can suck.  

Modifié par Dwailing, 09 juillet 2012 - 01:20 .

[Dwailing]

HellishFiend wrote...

Dwailing wrote...
Soooo, because I chose a bunch of the Paragon dialogue options, that means that I'm screwed?   Well then, I guess that's ONE way to satisfy all those Renegades out there who complain that Paragon decisions never have ANY negative repercussions.  And it would certainly do a good job at making that ME3 Renegade playthrough seem like more than just a long string of puppy kicking incidents. 

Thats just the thing, it's not paragon dialog options anymore at that point. It's weak willed dialog options. If you replay the end sequence with that in mind, you'll see what I mean. 

Oh FRAK!  BioWare really IS a company filled with frakking GENIUSES isn't it?

[estebanus]

lex0r11 wrote...


Aber so was von.

 

Ist irgendwie Kacke dass ich genau jetzt eine amerikanische Tastatur hab. Verwirrt mich total! 

Wo wohnst du eigentlich?

[Rifneno]

Andromidius wrote...

I'd be okay if they did an unconventional victory DLC. Victory isn't impossible, but fighting it like a normal war won't work. Its the same deal with past conflicts - namely Vietnam, where conventional US tactics didn't work against the guerilla tactics of the Vietcong, or the American War of Independance where Washington rarely commited to pitched battles because he simply couldn't stand toe to toe with the British armies. You've got to think out of the box and adapt if you want to beat a technologically superior opponant.

NO.

People always quote those wars while not realizing the "slight" difference between a war that's about a resistance force trying to make an occupying army go "screw it, this place isn't worth it" and a war where the goal of both sides is complete extinction of the other.

Want to know how Vietnam would've gone if it was a war about extinction like the Reaper/everyone else war? America would've dropped thermonuclear bombs on Vietnam and it would've been over instantly. Ditto for Soviet Russia and Afghanistan. You know where the Statue of Liberty came from? The French. It was a giant middle finger to the English, whom they were fighting at the same time. See, we were an annoying little insect and our goal was "make it not worth the effort to re-claim the colonies" which is rather different from "face the full brunt of ALL their military forces who will kill every man, woman, and child on this continent without a second thought." Because if it was, the phrase "New England" would take on a whole new meaning. And we'd have a picture of the queen on our money.