Ce sujet est fermé
lex0r11 wrote...
estebanus wrote...
lex0r11 wrote...
Aber so was von.
Ist irgendwie Kacke dass ich genau jetzt eine amerikanische Tastatur hab. Verwirrt mich total!
Wo wohnst du eigentlich?
Frankfurt am Main.
Aber wir sollten glaub ich mit Deutsch aufhören, bevor der Thread geschlossen wird. Zu viel "Kraut" gebrabbel hier.
For everyone else:
Don't worry! No more German gibberish from me in here.
Don't tell me you're also 22!HellishFiend wrote...
byne wrote...
estebanus wrote...
You have GOT to be kidding me. You're 22? So am I!lex0r11 wrote...
I believe in the concept of karma in buddhism, which was proven many times in my short 22 years. Everything will be payed back in full.
Hey, me too!
estebanus wrote...
Don't tell me you're also 22!
Implications... Unpleasant.HellishFiend wrote...
estebanus wrote...
Don't tell me you're also 22!
No, lol. That exchange just reminded me of that scene, with all the "Me too"s going on.
Lokanaiya wrote...
Arian:
I respectfully disagree. DESTROY requires you listening to Starbinger and thinking that at least part of it is true. After all, you have to accept that he's telling the truth at least a little. After all, how can you choose unless you know what each choice does? Also, again, you never tell Starbinger that it's possible that he's wrong. You're also ACCEPTING A SOLUTION THAT HE OFFERED. You don't do that in Reject. You ignore everything he says and just tell him to GTFO. You stand up for what you believe in (Free will) and say that you will never, ever compromise with the Reapers.
And the vast majority of what Harbinger wants Shepard for is the fact that he's an icon. In fact, he'd probably want a broken Shepard. That's a bigger blow to morale than a traitorous Shepard. A traitorous Shep would become a martyr, since the real Shepard fought the Reapers until the very end, and now the Reapers would pay for what they did to Shepard. A broken and hopeless Shepard, however, would cause the troops to lose hope and despair. And, honestly, look at his speech. Does that Shepard look broken or like he's "lacking conviction" to you? Or does it look like he's taking more of a stand and doing something harder or more costly than any of the other choices?
Again, Reject is not just rejecting Starbinger's options, it's rejecting everything the Reapers are and everything they stand for. When you choose Destroy, you're trying to achieve what you view as the best future. The Reapers are master manipulators, as you have pointed out, and anytime you fight FOR something (Even a future free from the Reapers) I'd say they could turn any cause into some way to help them. For Reject, you are saying that no matter what, you will never surrender or compromise with the Reapers, and all the choices are compromising with the Reapers, even Destroy, since Starbinger presented the solution.
And to address another of your points, regarding Shepard choosing an option that isn't presented by Harbinger, Arian, I finish with a quote from Dream Anderson said not 5 minutes before this conversation: "There's always another way."
byne wrote...
estebanus wrote...
You have GOT to be kidding me. You're 22? So am I!lex0r11 wrote...
Dwailing wrote...
[...]
Hey, I have a friend who lives in Charleston! Unfortunately, she was the victim of a hit and run and is now recovering from a broken pelvis. Yeah, some people can REALLY be jerks (I want to say far, FAR worse things about the guy who hit her, but I can't due to the fact that all of the things I WANT to call him are profanities.). And the worst part (Besides the broken pelvis.)? The guy hasn't been caught. Yeah, life can suck, can't it?
I believe in the concept of karma in buddhism, which was proven many times in my short 22 years. Everything will be payed back in full.
Hey, me too!
lex0r11 wrote...
byne wrote...
estebanus wrote...
You have GOT to be kidding me. You're 22? So am I!lex0r11 wrote...
Dwailing wrote...
[...]
Hey, I have a friend who lives in Charleston! Unfortunately, she was the victim of a hit and run and is now recovering from a broken pelvis. Yeah, some people can REALLY be jerks (I want to say far, FAR worse things about the guy who hit her, but I can't due to the fact that all of the things I WANT to call him are profanities.). And the worst part (Besides the broken pelvis.)? The guy hasn't been caught. Yeah, life can suck, can't it?
I believe in the concept of karma in buddhism, which was proven many times in my short 22 years. Everything will be payed back in full.
Hey, me too!
Okay.
From now on we shall be known as "Squad 22". Or Generation 1990.
*makes awkward power rangers poses*
masster blaster wrote...
So when is CleverNoob going to release his video about the EC on IT. Also has he ever been on the " Was the ending a...." If not then he should if he want new info for his videos, but then again. We have Hellishfiend, and TurboZ.
HellishFiend wrote...
Rifneno wrote...
Andromidius wrote...
I'd be okay if they did an unconventional victory DLC. Victory isn't impossible, but fighting it like a normal war won't work. Its the same deal with past conflicts - namely Vietnam, where conventional US tactics didn't work against the guerilla tactics of the Vietcong, or the American War of Independance where Washington rarely commited to pitched battles because he simply couldn't stand toe to toe with the British armies. You've got to think out of the box and adapt if you want to beat a technologically superior opponant.
NO.
People always quote those wars while not realizing the "slight" difference between a war that's about a resistance force trying to make an occupying army go "screw it, this place isn't worth it" and a war where the goal of both sides is complete extinction of the other.
Want to know how Vietnam would've gone if it was a war about extinction like the Reaper/everyone else war? America would've dropped thermonuclear bombs on Vietnam and it would've been over instantly. Ditto for Soviet Russia and Afghanistan. You know where the Statue of Liberty came from? The French. It was a giant middle finger to the English, whom they were fighting at the same time. See, we were an annoying little insect and our goal was "make it not worth the effort to re-claim the colonies" which is rather different from "face the full brunt of ALL their military forces who will kill every man, woman, and child on this continent without a second thought." Because if it was, the phrase "New England" would take on a whole new meaning. And we'd have a picture of the queen on our money.
I'm with Rifneno on this one. Simple way of looking at it is a bunch of kids playing with toys (ME organics/english colonies) vs a bunch of adults with real guns (ME reapers/European powers of the 1700s).
DJBare wrote...
Crucible=mass accelerator cannon= humm, lame.
Sorry guys, no offence intended to those who like the idea, it's just so cliche, huge weapon to destroy big bad boss, I'd rather something with a little more depth than something straight out of an fps arcade game, it's why I still hold on to the idea it's a mass indoctrination device and hopefully we get to battle on the citadel to reach the crucible and destroy it.
byne wrote...
lex0r11 wrote...
byne wrote...
estebanus wrote...
You have GOT to be kidding me. You're 22? So am I!lex0r11 wrote...
Dwailing wrote...
[...]
Hey, I have a friend who lives in Charleston! Unfortunately, she was the victim of a hit and run and is now recovering from a broken pelvis. Yeah, some people can REALLY be jerks (I want to say far, FAR worse things about the guy who hit her, but I can't due to the fact that all of the things I WANT to call him are profanities.). And the worst part (Besides the broken pelvis.)? The guy hasn't been caught. Yeah, life can suck, can't it?
I believe in the concept of karma in buddhism, which was proven many times in my short 22 years. Everything will be payed back in full.
Hey, me too!
Okay.
From now on we shall be known as "Squad 22". Or Generation 1990.
*makes awkward power rangers poses*
The leader shall be the person with the earliest birthday in the year! Mine is Feb 21.
Arian Dynas wrote...
I re-state;
While I agree with you about conventional victory, YOU are forgetting one thing.
The goal is NOT extinction, extinction is the byproduct of "preserving" the unwilling species. They want us alive until they kill us.
lex0r11 wrote...
byne wrote...
estebanus wrote...
You have GOT to be kidding me. You're 22? So am I!lex0r11 wrote...
Dwailing wrote...
[...]
Hey, I have a friend who lives in Charleston! Unfortunately, she was the victim of a hit and run and is now recovering from a broken pelvis. Yeah, some people can REALLY be jerks (I want to say far, FAR worse things about the guy who hit her, but I can't due to the fact that all of the things I WANT to call him are profanities.). And the worst part (Besides the broken pelvis.)? The guy hasn't been caught. Yeah, life can suck, can't it?
I believe in the concept of karma in buddhism, which was proven many times in my short 22 years. Everything will be payed back in full.
Hey, me too!
Okay.
From now on we shall be known as "Squad 22". Or Generation 1990.
*makes awkward power rangers poses*
Dwailing wrote...
Lokanaiya wrote...
Arian:
I respectfully disagree. DESTROY requires you listening to Starbinger and thinking that at least part of it is true. After all, you have to accept that he's telling the truth at least a little. After all, how can you choose unless you know what each choice does? Also, again, you never tell Starbinger that it's possible that he's wrong. You're also ACCEPTING A SOLUTION THAT HE OFFERED. You don't do that in Reject. You ignore everything he says and just tell him to GTFO. You stand up for what you believe in (Free will) and say that you will never, ever compromise with the Reapers.
And the vast majority of what Harbinger wants Shepard for is the fact that he's an icon. In fact, he'd probably want a broken Shepard. That's a bigger blow to morale than a traitorous Shepard. A traitorous Shep would become a martyr, since the real Shepard fought the Reapers until the very end, and now the Reapers would pay for what they did to Shepard. A broken and hopeless Shepard, however, would cause the troops to lose hope and despair. And, honestly, look at his speech. Does that Shepard look broken or like he's "lacking conviction" to you? Or does it look like he's taking more of a stand and doing something harder or more costly than any of the other choices?
Again, Reject is not just rejecting Starbinger's options, it's rejecting everything the Reapers are and everything they stand for. When you choose Destroy, you're trying to achieve what you view as the best future. The Reapers are master manipulators, as you have pointed out, and anytime you fight FOR something (Even a future free from the Reapers) I'd say they could turn any cause into some way to help them. For Reject, you are saying that no matter what, you will never surrender or compromise with the Reapers, and all the choices are compromising with the Reapers, even Destroy, since Starbinger presented the solution.
And to address another of your points, regarding Shepard choosing an option that isn't presented by Harbinger, Arian, I finish with a quote from Dream Anderson said not 5 minutes before this conversation: "There's always another way."
Huh, this is pretty much my opinion on the situation.
May 13th! damn.byne wrote...
lex0r11 wrote...
byne wrote...
estebanus wrote...
You have GOT to be kidding me. You're 22? So am I!lex0r11 wrote...
Dwailing wrote...
[...]
Hey, I have a friend who lives in Charleston! Unfortunately, she was the victim of a hit and run and is now recovering from a broken pelvis. Yeah, some people can REALLY be jerks (I want to say far, FAR worse things about the guy who hit her, but I can't due to the fact that all of the things I WANT to call him are profanities.). And the worst part (Besides the broken pelvis.)? The guy hasn't been caught. Yeah, life can suck, can't it?
I believe in the concept of karma in buddhism, which was proven many times in my short 22 years. Everything will be payed back in full.
Hey, me too!
Okay.
From now on we shall be known as "Squad 22". Or Generation 1990.
*makes awkward power rangers poses*
The leader shall be the person with the earliest birthday in the year! Mine is Feb 21.
That's something else that does not make sense from a literal point of view, if the crucible is just some raw power source, how did it create those "as the kid puts it" new possibilities, if literal then it would have to be something more complex than a power source.HellishFiend wrote...
DJBare wrote...
Crucible=mass accelerator cannon= humm, lame.
Sorry guys, no offence intended to those who like the idea, it's just so cliche, huge weapon to destroy big bad boss, I'd rather something with a little more depth than something straight out of an fps arcade game, it's why I still hold on to the idea it's a mass indoctrination device and hopefully we get to battle on the citadel to reach the crucible and destroy it.
I would have to agree with you. Though I think it's more likely that the Crucible is just a raw power source for the Citadel. It would make sense, given what the organic scientists have been able to determine about it. All they seem to know is that it produces a lot of energy.
What does the Citadel do that requires an awful lot of power? Send the Reapers back to darkspace...
DJBare wrote...
Crucible=mass accelerator cannon= humm, lame.
Sorry guys, no offence intended to those who like the idea, it's just so cliche, huge weapon to destroy big bad boss, I'd rather something with a little more depth than something straight out of an fps arcade game, it's why I still hold on to the idea it's a mass indoctrination device and hopefully we get to battle on the citadel to reach the crucible and destroy it.
estebanus wrote...
May 13th! damn.byne wrote...
[...]
The leader shall be the person with the earliest birthday in the year! Mine is Feb 21.
Modifié par lex0r11, 09 juillet 2012 - 01:52 .
HellishFiend wrote...
Arian Dynas wrote...
I re-state;
While I agree with you about conventional victory, YOU are forgetting one thing.
The goal is NOT extinction, extinction is the byproduct of "preserving" the unwilling species. They want us alive until they kill us.
I'm not getting into you guys' discussion about extinction and whatnot, just the analogy I mentioned.
DJBare wrote...
That's something else that does not make sense from a literal point of view, if the crucible is just some raw power source, how did it create those "as the kid puts it" new possibilities, if literal then it would have to be something more complex than a power source.HellishFiend wrote...
DJBare wrote...
Crucible=mass accelerator cannon= humm, lame.
Sorry guys, no offence intended to those who like the idea, it's just so cliche, huge weapon to destroy big bad boss, I'd rather something with a little more depth than something straight out of an fps arcade game, it's why I still hold on to the idea it's a mass indoctrination device and hopefully we get to battle on the citadel to reach the crucible and destroy it.
I would have to agree with you. Though I think it's more likely that the Crucible is just a raw power source for the Citadel. It would make sense, given what the organic scientists have been able to determine about it. All they seem to know is that it produces a lot of energy.
What does the Citadel do that requires an awful lot of power? Send the Reapers back to darkspace...
Arian Dynas wrote...
Dwailing wrote...
Lokanaiya wrote...
Arian:
I respectfully disagree. DESTROY requires you listening to Starbinger and thinking that at least part of it is true. After all, you have to accept that he's telling the truth at least a little. After all, how can you choose unless you know what each choice does? Also, again, you never tell Starbinger that it's possible that he's wrong. You're also ACCEPTING A SOLUTION THAT HE OFFERED. You don't do that in Reject. You ignore everything he says and just tell him to GTFO. You stand up for what you believe in (Free will) and say that you will never, ever compromise with the Reapers.
And the vast majority of what Harbinger wants Shepard for is the fact that he's an icon. In fact, he'd probably want a broken Shepard. That's a bigger blow to morale than a traitorous Shepard. A traitorous Shep would become a martyr, since the real Shepard fought the Reapers until the very end, and now the Reapers would pay for what they did to Shepard. A broken and hopeless Shepard, however, would cause the troops to lose hope and despair. And, honestly, look at his speech. Does that Shepard look broken or like he's "lacking conviction" to you? Or does it look like he's taking more of a stand and doing something harder or more costly than any of the other choices?
Again, Reject is not just rejecting Starbinger's options, it's rejecting everything the Reapers are and everything they stand for. When you choose Destroy, you're trying to achieve what you view as the best future. The Reapers are master manipulators, as you have pointed out, and anytime you fight FOR something (Even a future free from the Reapers) I'd say they could turn any cause into some way to help them. For Reject, you are saying that no matter what, you will never surrender or compromise with the Reapers, and all the choices are compromising with the Reapers, even Destroy, since Starbinger presented the solution.
And to address another of your points, regarding Shepard choosing an option that isn't presented by Harbinger, Arian, I finish with a quote from Dream Anderson said not 5 minutes before this conversation: "There's always another way."
Huh, this is pretty much my opinion on the situation.
I disagree with your points for reasons that I already outlined, so, since neither one of us is going to convince the other, this isn't something worth debating at the moment. Let's leave it for now.
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Lol. We're all born with only 1-2 months difference between each other.lex0r11 wrote...
estebanus wrote...
May 13th! damn.byne wrote...
[...]
The leader shall be the person with the earliest birthday in the year! Mine is Feb 21.
29th March.
estebanus wrote...
[...]
My main weapon shall be the two-handed claymore!
When we combine our powers, we can create a huge robot that blasts rock music from 1990 out of its huge, mounted radio! The bad guys will shrivel in fear of our power!
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