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[ThisOneIsPunny]

 After reading all that about the swap of paragon and renegade choices on the dialogue wheel, I suddenly miss some of the paragon options from ME2.
My paragon Shepard should threaten to break the legs of everyone who doesn't agree with her the catalyst.

[D.Sharrah]

HellishFiend wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Whippersnappers everywhere! Kidding. =P

Well...that's the fun of my birthday, I can really go either way.  If you count that acutal number of times that my date of birth has passed I am 8...if you count the number of years that I have been on the earth to date, I am 32.  It really is the best of both worlds!

Leap year baby? Nice! 

Yesssss!  I have always wondered if I should use my birthdate for evil, become a carny and earn countless heaps of money as poor unsuspecting carnival goers try to guess my age!

[masster blaster]

Oh have you all seen Tim and Anderson looking at Shepard every time they get into saying your Indoctrinated, and No I am not Indoctinated, until Shepard start's to respond to TIM's illusive tongue.

[EpyonX3]

byne wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Been gone for a while. I see the thread is off topic atm.

Anything happen while I was away?

Epyon!

I was wondering where you'd disappeared to!

Yeah been busy with my Son's first birthday party. Doing it in 100 degree weather wasn't as fun though.

[Lokanaiya]

Arian Dynas wrote...

Lokanaiya wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Lokan are you seruious.

Oh and I am on my phone so I can't check my spelling so.

Call me Loka, and yeah, I am. Why wouldn't I be?

Can we call you Lorkhan and steal your heart to become gods? 

You'd have to create brand new tools, since the Neverarine took all but Keening with him to Akavir. And then you'd have to deal with an angry Daedric prince who has a very weird idea of the proper amount of retribution.

(....Should I feel bad that I knew all of that and more off the top of my head? XD)

[EpyonX3]

masster blaster wrote...

Epyon have you meet Wing Zero by any chance.

No actually lol. My handle used to be Zero_Epyon for a while but I just chose Epyon because Epyon's cooler!

[HellishFiend]

ThisOneIsPunny wrote...

 After reading all that about the swap of paragon and renegade choices on the dialogue wheel, I suddenly miss some of the paragon options from ME2.
My paragon Shepard should threaten to break the legs of everyone who doesn't agree with her the catalyst.

By the time you get to the "Catalyst", you are no longer your "paragon Shepard". You are you. In the on-disc ending, Shep had hardly any lines at all during that conversation. Just basic questions and comments that keep the dialog moving forward. You as the player are left alone with your thoughts on what the Catalyst is saying.

EC rolls around, and suddenly you have a bunch more questions that the players wanted to ask, and a bunch of statements that the players wanted to make. Even the decision chamber itself is a metaphysical dialog wheel. Imagine that. 

[HellishFiend]

EpyonX3 wrote...

byne wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Been gone for a while. I see the thread is off topic atm.

Anything happen while I was away?

Epyon!

I was wondering where you'd disappeared to!

Yeah been busy with my Son's first birthday party. Doing it in 100 degree weather wasn't as fun though.

Congrats! Is that your first son? I hope to one day be saying that I'm doing the same, though hopefully it wouldnt be in 100 degree weather. 

[masster blaster]

Epyon. Herro Yue is better.

[Simon_Says]

Returning to that discussion about reject/destroy. I'd have to side with the destroyers. I see reject as inaction on Shepard's part. It's all well and good to say stuff, but when you're stuck in a dead end those words will mean little to all those people who were counting on you.

I believe the Catalyst discusses destroy merely because it had to, because the red device was right there, dream or no. Not acknowledging it would trigger alarm bells and call into question what else is the Starbrat holding out on. Even then it still managed to use that option to its advantage.

Consider the following. Offer two choices. Both are ugly. People will naturally reject the choice. Present a third option that's even uglier, then suddenly the other two are more palatable. This is a basic mental sleight of hand that actually works more often than you'd think. People make money off of it, form restaurant owners to politicians.

Basically the Catalyst is going "Yeah you can destroy us. But it sucks cause you'll wipe out everyone else to and you'll die knowing you only delayed the problem. How about saving everyone, forever? No you won't live either but at least your death won't be pointless."

As for "So be it." I've explained my view on this before. The line was a scare tactic. It can be hard to realize as a player who can merely reload the level and try again but think what would happen if you were in Shepard's shoes. You're scared and confused, but you rejected the Starbrat anyway. But then it roared at you "SO BE IT". How brave are you going to be to then change your mind and rush destroy knowing that you definitely are in a reaper setup? Would you start wondering why the reaper offered destroy in the first place? What conclusion would you reach?

It's brilliant in a way. The Starbrat was bluffing with destroy. And if Shepard rejects, it turns it into a double bluff.

"The reapers are clever in their deceptions."

Modifié par Simon_Says, 09 juillet 2012 - 02:52 .

[EpyonX3]

HellishFiend wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

byne wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Been gone for a while. I see the thread is off topic atm.

Anything happen while I was away?

Epyon!

I was wondering where you'd disappeared to!

Yeah been busy with my Son's first birthday party. Doing it in 100 degree weather wasn't as fun though.

Congrats! Is that your first son? I hope to one day be saying that I'm doing the same, though hopefully it wouldnt be in 100 degree weather. 

Thanks! yes he's my first. We were supposed to get a storm come in and drp the temp to about 78-80 but were missed by two big ones. The third one came in around midnight which only served to wake me up due to lighting striking repeatedly two blocks away from me.

Other than that though it was smoot and pretty fun. If you're planning on having a kid, try to time if for spring or fall. lol.

[EpyonX3]

masster blaster wrote...

Epyon. Herro Yue is better.

Indeed. But while he was in Epyon he was more Bad A**

[estebanus]

lex0r11 wrote...

estebanus wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

estebanus wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

Ach du meine Guete!

What have I done?!

 

 

The music in that game..

*shiver*

FISSION MAILED.

Generation 1990 will now high five with this part playing in the back.
youtu.be/9uWzmiTBfCE#t=00m31s

I love that piece of music... Really, I just love it! It's so epic! 

*Generation 1990 handshakes you*

[byne]

byne wrote...

estebanus wrote...

byne wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Either.Ardrey wrote...


Yes. I'm 22.

Welcome to the club! What is your weapon of choice?

Can my weapon of choice be Unlimited Blade Works? Or is the ability to transport my enemies to a world full of replicas of every weapon I've ever seen overpowered?

Uh yeah, it's kinda overpowered...

Hmm. Back to the drawing board!

While clearly not as flashy as Unlimited Blade Works, I have decided my weapon of choice will be dual broadswords.

[Lokanaiya]

Simon_Says wrote...

Returning to that discussion about reject/destroy. I'd have to side with the destroyers. I see reject as inaction on Shepard's part. It's all well and good to say stuff, but when you're stuck in a dead end those words will mean little to all those people who were counting on you.

I believe the Catalyst discusses destroy merely because it had to, because the red device was right there, dream or no. Not acknowledging it would trigger alarm bells and call into question what else is the Starbrat holding out on. Even then it still managed to use that option to its advantage.

Consider the following. Offer two choices. Both are ugly. People will naturally reject the choice. Present a third option that's even uglier, then suddenly the other two are more palatable. This is a basic mental sleight of hand that actually works more often than you'd think. People make money off of it, form restaurant owners to politicians.

Basically the Catalyst is going "Yeah you can destroy us. But it sucks cause you'll wipe out everyone else to and you'll die knowing you only delayed the problem. How about saving everyone, forever? No you won't live either but at least your death won't be pointless."

As for "So be it." I've explained my view on this before. The line was a scare tactic. It can be hard to realize as a player who can merely reload the level and try again but think what would happen if you were in Shepard's shoes. You're scared and confused, but you rejected the Starbrat anyway. But then it roared at you "SO BE IT". How brave are you going to be to then change your mind and rush destroy knowing that you definitely are in a reaper setup? Would you start wondering why the reaper offered destroy in the first place. What conclsion would you reach?

It's brilliant in a way. The Starbrat was bluffing with destroy. And if Shepard rejects, it turns it into a double bluff.

"The reapers are clever in their deceptions."

As much as I'd like to get into this, it seems to simply be a matter of perspective and so discussing it won't really change anyone's mind. How about we keep away from things that are opinions and stick to hard evidence?

[HellishFiend]

EpyonX3 wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Congrats! Is that your first son? I hope to one day be saying that I'm doing the same, though hopefully it wouldnt be in 100 degree weather. 

Thanks! yes he's my first. We were supposed to get a storm come in and drp the temp to about 78-80 but were missed by two big ones. The third one came in around midnight which only served to wake me up due to lighting striking repeatedly two blocks away from me.

Other than that though it was smoot and pretty fun. If you're planning on having a kid, try to time if for spring or fall. lol.

lol, thanks for the tip! I believe I will do that. 

[ThisOneIsPunny]

HellishFiend wrote...

ThisOneIsPunny wrote...

 After reading all that about the swap of paragon and renegade choices on the dialogue wheel, I suddenly miss some of the paragon options from ME2.
My paragon Shepard should threaten to break the legs of everyone who doesn't agree with her the catalyst.

By the time you get to the "Catalyst", you are no longer your "paragon Shepard". You are you. In the on-disc ending, Shep had hardly any lines at all during that conversation. Just basic questions and comments that keep the dialog moving forward. You as the player are left alone with your thoughts on what the Catalyst is saying.

EC rolls around, and suddenly you have a bunch more questions that the players wanted to ask, and a bunch of statements that the players wanted to make. Even the decision chamber itself is a metaphysical dialog wheel. Imagine that. 

Yeesh, I don't think I could ever forget that or how I felt when I hit the decision chamber. Giving you so little to answer, throwing you into making a decision and having a countdown with ominous drums beating in the background. Bioware's definitely screwing with you as much as possible in those final moments and I feel like the EC really added to that.
 They really push for things that trigger emotional responses(not just EDI and the geth dying) to intentionally distract you from the underlying fishiness of the whole ordeal.

[estebanus]

byne wrote...

byne wrote...

estebanus wrote...

byne wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Either.Ardrey wrote...


Yes. I'm 22.

Welcome to the club! What is your weapon of choice?

Can my weapon of choice be Unlimited Blade Works? Or is the ability to transport my enemies to a world full of replicas of every weapon I've ever seen overpowered?

Uh yeah, it's kinda overpowered...

Hmm. Back to the drawing board!

While clearly not as flashy as Unlimited Blade Works, I have decided my weapon of choice will be dual broadswords.

Yup, that works!

[Arian Dynas]

Lokanaiya wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Lokanaiya wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Lokan are you seruious.

Oh and I am on my phone so I can't check my spelling so.

Call me Loka, and yeah, I am. Why wouldn't I be?

Can we call you Lorkhan and steal your heart to become gods? 

You'd have to create brand new tools, since the Neverarine took all but Keening with him to Akavir. And then you'd have to deal with an angry Daedric prince who has a very weird idea of the proper amount of retribution.

(....Should I feel bad that I knew all of that and more off the top of my head? XD)

No. Because I do too MUHAWHAWHAHWAHWAHWAHWAHWAHH~!

[Rifneno]

estebanus wrote...

byne wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Either.Ardrey wrote...


Yes. I'm 22.

Welcome to the club! What is your weapon of choice?

Can my weapon of choice be Unlimited Blade Works? Or is the ability to transport my enemies to a world full of replicas of every weapon I've ever seen overpowered?

Uh yeah, it's kinda overpowered...

So I'm assuming The Chandelier, a railgun so colossal you can comfortably fly a plane through the barrel it fires cruise missiles out of is out of the question?

[Simon_Says]

Lokanaiya wrote...

Simon_Says wrote...

Returning to that discussion about reject/destroy. I'd have to side with the destroyers. I see reject as inaction on Shepard's part. It's all well and good to say stuff, but when you're stuck in a dead end those words will mean little to all those people who were counting on you.

I believe the Catalyst discusses destroy merely because it had to, because the red device was right there, dream or no. Not acknowledging it would trigger alarm bells and call into question what else is the Starbrat holding out on. Even then it still managed to use that option to its advantage.

Consider the following. Offer two choices. Both are ugly. People will naturally reject the choice. Present a third option that's even uglier, then suddenly the other two are more palatable. This is a basic mental sleight of hand that actually works more often than you'd think. People make money off of it, form restaurant owners to politicians.

Basically the Catalyst is going "Yeah you can destroy us. But it sucks cause you'll wipe out everyone else to and you'll die knowing you only delayed the problem. How about saving everyone, forever? No you won't live either but at least your death won't be pointless."

As for "So be it." I've explained my view on this before. The line was a scare tactic. It can be hard to realize as a player who can merely reload the level and try again but think what would happen if you were in Shepard's shoes. You're scared and confused, but you rejected the Starbrat anyway. But then it roared at you "SO BE IT". How brave are you going to be to then change your mind and rush destroy knowing that you definitely are in a reaper setup? Would you start wondering why the reaper offered destroy in the first place. What conclsion would you reach?

It's brilliant in a way. The Starbrat was bluffing with destroy. And if Shepard rejects, it turns it into a double bluff.

"The reapers are clever in their deceptions."

As much as I'd like to get into this, it seems to simply be a matter of perspective and so discussing it won't really change anyone's mind. How about we keep away from things that are opinions and stick to hard evidence?

The problem here is that the hard evidence is that destroy results in the breath scene and reject doesn't. Even if reject is a moral victory, it would appear that it's not a real one.

[Arian Dynas]

Simon_Says wrote...

Returning to that discussion about reject/destroy. I'd have to side with the destroyers. I see reject as inaction on Shepard's part. It's all well and good to say stuff, but when you're stuck in a dead end those words will mean little to all those people who were counting on you.

I believe the Catalyst discusses destroy merely because it had to, because the red device was right there, dream or no. Not acknowledging it would trigger alarm bells and call into question what else is the Starbrat holding out on. Even then it still managed to use that option to its advantage.

Consider the following. Offer two choices. Both are ugly. People will naturally reject the choice. Present a third option that's even uglier, then suddenly the other two are more palatable. This is a basic mental sleight of hand that actually works more often than you'd think. People make money off of it, form restaurant owners to politicians.

Basically the Catalyst is going "Yeah you can destroy us. But it sucks cause you'll wipe out everyone else to and you'll die knowing you only delayed the problem. How about saving everyone, forever? No you won't live either but at least your death won't be pointless."

As for "So be it." I've explained my view on this before. The line was a scare tactic. It can be hard to realize as a player who can merely reload the level and try again but think what would happen if you were in Shepard's shoes. You're scared and confused, but you rejected the Starbrat anyway. But then it roared at you "SO BE IT". How brave are you going to be to then change your mind and rush destroy knowing that you definitely are in a reaper setup? Would you start wondering why the reaper offered destroy in the first place? What conclusion would you reach?

It's brilliant in a way. The Starbrat was bluffing with destroy. And if Shepard rejects, it turns it into a double bluff.

"The reapers are clever in their deceptions."

The Guardian was adressing the Elephant in the room, so to speak.

And I'll say, I like this theory.

And know what I find interesting? The fact that we can come up with all of this and these ideas, Bioware has a team of 8 uber nerds led by an ever more uber uber psychology nerd, meaning that they have more than enough qualifications to think up this stuff too.

[Arian Dynas]

Rifneno wrote...

estebanus wrote...

byne wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Either.Ardrey wrote...


Yes. I'm 22.

Welcome to the club! What is your weapon of choice?

Can my weapon of choice be Unlimited Blade Works? Or is the ability to transport my enemies to a world full of replicas of every weapon I've ever seen overpowered?

Uh yeah, it's kinda overpowered...

So I'm assuming The Chandelier, a railgun so colossal you can comfortably fly a plane through the barrel it fires cruise missiles out of is out of the question?

In a word. YES!

[Rifneno]

Arian Dynas wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

So I'm assuming The Chandelier, a railgun so colossal you can comfortably fly a plane through the barrel it fires cruise missiles out of is out of the question?

In a word. YES!

Damn.  You guys are always stifling my overkill.

...  And now I have an irresistable urge to play some Ace Combat again.  Damnit.  Well, it would be irresistable if my back didn't hurt too much to try and figure out where the hell I put that console. 

[TJBartlemus]

Goodness. Leave 3 hours and about 10 pages spawn out of nowhere. Miss anything good? Also I think that besides the original thread, this is one of the longest threads in the forum. And literalists think that its gonna die off. HA! That's a joke.