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[BansheeOwnage]

marcelo_sdk wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Oh and did anyone notice where did Anderson go when you were running to the Conduit/beacon. Also they still did not explain where did Shepard get the gun with unlimited ammo, so ya and Harby says Serve us, because you can clearly hear us.

I heard it a couple of times. First, it's certain tha he says something, it's not an interpretation. If people want to hear:

 

You can see that it's not the Reaper growl that we are trying to interpetrate, it's a totally different sound. And no, Harbinger doesn't make a different growl, when he arrives at the beam we can hear the usual Reaper growl.

When I heard it the first time, I was 100% sure it was "serve us". But after hearing it more than 10x with my headphone at max, I think it can be "save us". And, when I think about the endings, "save us" would explain a lot of things.

1. We know the Reapers where created by some specie. At least, what I understood, is that the Catalyst was created to resolve a conflict between that specie and the synthetics of that "cycle" (The Reapers?). The "brilliant" solution of the Catalyst was force that specie to be "stored" in Reaper form ("We tried synthesis before, but it didn't work. It's something that can't be forced"). That Reaper is Harbinger. Perhaps, differently that we think, the other Reapers are just AIs. They are not like Harbinger or the human reaper. And, as far as we know, the Reapers failed to create a Prothean Reaper, failed with a Human Reaper (and perhaps with a "Keepers Reaper?).

2. It would explain why Harbinger didn't destroy the Normandy and why he didn't killed Shepard.

3. To conclude, I think that in this phrase lies many answers to IT. If he says "serve us", everything stays open. IT remains a valid and possible explanation. But if he says "save us", we would have to change a lot of conclusions we made. First that, perhaps, the best ending is Control, and so, the Paragon and Renegade order would be restabilished. The Catalyst wants synthesis only, so Control would still goes against what he wants, but now you would save the galaxy AND The Reapers.

I think the Leviathan DLC will give us many answers. It appears to foccus at the creators of the Reapers, and adds new dialogues to the conversation with the Catalyst.  

I've basically come to the conlusion that the "serve us" line means nothing and is just reaper language. Or maybe nothing yet. One of the things mentioned in Leviathan is reaper language. As we know, as people are indoctrinated, they learn the reapers' language. Playing Leviathan may change the line into something we can understand!

Edit: Does this thread just magically become slow when I show up?  :/

Modifié par BansheeOwnage, 09 juillet 2012 - 05:29 .

[Rifneno]

He could be saying "save us," "serve us," or "Charlie Sheen just beat up a prostitute." Doesn't really matter at this point. The power of suggestion will make us hear whatever we want to hear. The human mind sucks like that. Until someone finds a way to reverse the distortion, it's a pretty flimsy point for either side to use as an argument.

[Turbo_J]

marcelo_sdk wrote...

"We tried synthesis before, but it didn't work. It's something that can't be forced."

I disagree with everything you wrote (which I snipped), but the above line... But of course, it's a quote.

If I take anything from the ghostly dressed Harbinger as a partial truth, it would be this line. They did try before. A billion years ago. It's name was Leviathan.

Analyze Harbingers words.

"We tried synthesis before, but it didn't work. It's something that can't be forced."

Leviathan was created by force using a flawed or beta version of the indoctrination process.

The 'Indoctrination' we know about slowly changes the pathways of the victims mind to align with Reaper goals. This way, each individual that gets gooified/AIed and added to the consensus has done so of their own free will.

This is why the Reapers are so patient and why harvesting a cycle takes such a long time. The process of slowly indoctrinating one billion individuals from select species isn't going to happen over night.

Modifié par Turbo_J, 09 juillet 2012 - 05:43 .

[Rosewind]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

marcelo_sdk wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Oh and did anyone notice where did Anderson go when you were running to the Conduit/beacon. Also they still did not explain where did Shepard get the gun with unlimited ammo, so ya and Harby says Serve us, because you can clearly hear us.

I heard it a couple of times. First, it's certain tha he says something, it's not an interpretation. If people want to hear:

 

You can see that it's not the Reaper growl that we are trying to interpetrate, it's a totally different sound. And no, Harbinger doesn't make a different growl, when he arrives at the beam we can hear the usual Reaper growl.

When I heard it the first time, I was 100% sure it was "serve us". But after hearing it more than 10x with my headphone at max, I think it can be "save us". And, when I think about the endings, "save us" would explain a lot of things.

1. We know the Reapers where created by some specie. At least, what I understood, is that the Catalyst was created to resolve a conflict between that specie and the synthetics of that "cycle" (The Reapers?). The "brilliant" solution of the Catalyst was force that specie to be "stored" in Reaper form ("We tried synthesis before, but it didn't work. It's something that can't be forced"). That Reaper is Harbinger. Perhaps, differently that we think, the other Reapers are just AIs. They are not like Harbinger or the human reaper. And, as far as we know, the Reapers failed to create a Prothean Reaper, failed with a Human Reaper (and perhaps with a "Keepers Reaper?).

2. It would explain why Harbinger didn't destroy the Normandy and why he didn't killed Shepard.

3. To conclude, I think that in this phrase lies many answers to IT. If he says "serve us", everything stays open. IT remains a valid and possible explanation. But if he says "save us", we would have to change a lot of conclusions we made. First that, perhaps, the best ending is Control, and so, the Paragon and Renegade order would be restabilished. The Catalyst wants synthesis only, so Control would still goes against what he wants, but now you would save the galaxy AND The Reapers.

I think the Leviathan DLC will give us many answers. It appears to foccus at the creators of the Reapers, and adds new dialogues to the conversation with the Catalyst.  

I've basically come to the conlusion that the "serve us" line means nothing and is just reaper language. Or maybe nothing yet. One of the things mentioned in Leviathan is reaper language. As we know, as people are indoctrinated, they learn the reapers' language. Playing Leviathan may change the line into something we can understand!

Edit: Does this thread just magically become slow when I show up?  :/

Yes  . But I don't understand what you guys are debating it isn't like it's a whisper it is almost a yell (well on my head phone it was) but the way it is said can be hard to hear it as Serve us or Save us because of the elongated way he says it.

[L0NEWOLF25]

I got my new theory up called Mind Games Theory (If the name's taken I'll change the name just post a comment on the blog's comment section.)
Go to paragraph 2 and you should get to some views I don't think most people have come out with just yet that I fell support the Indocterination theory very well.
http://social.biowar...93/blog/215156/

Edit: Sorry I meant Paragraph 3 also I went and fixed a few things that I found wrong with it. 

Modifié par L0NEWOLF25, 09 juillet 2012 - 05:51 .

[Priss Blackburne]

Rosewind wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

marcelo_sdk wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Oh and did anyone notice where did Anderson go when you were running to the Conduit/beacon. Also they still did not explain where did Shepard get the gun with unlimited ammo, so ya and Harby says Serve us, because you can clearly hear us.

I heard it a couple of times. First, it's certain tha he says something, it's not an interpretation. If people want to hear:

 

You can see that it's not the Reaper growl that we are trying to interpetrate, it's a totally different sound. And no, Harbinger doesn't make a different growl, when he arrives at the beam we can hear the usual Reaper growl.

When I heard it the first time, I was 100% sure it was "serve us". But after hearing it more than 10x with my headphone at max, I think it can be "save us". And, when I think about the endings, "save us" would explain a lot of things.

1. We know the Reapers where created by some specie. At least, what I understood, is that the Catalyst was created to resolve a conflict between that specie and the synthetics of that "cycle" (The Reapers?). The "brilliant" solution of the Catalyst was force that specie to be "stored" in Reaper form ("We tried synthesis before, but it didn't work. It's something that can't be forced"). That Reaper is Harbinger. Perhaps, differently that we think, the other Reapers are just AIs. They are not like Harbinger or the human reaper. And, as far as we know, the Reapers failed to create a Prothean Reaper, failed with a Human Reaper (and perhaps with a "Keepers Reaper?).

2. It would explain why Harbinger didn't destroy the Normandy and why he didn't killed Shepard.

3. To conclude, I think that in this phrase lies many answers to IT. If he says "serve us", everything stays open. IT remains a valid and possible explanation. But if he says "save us", we would have to change a lot of conclusions we made. First that, perhaps, the best ending is Control, and so, the Paragon and Renegade order would be restabilished. The Catalyst wants synthesis only, so Control would still goes against what he wants, but now you would save the galaxy AND The Reapers.

I think the Leviathan DLC will give us many answers. It appears to foccus at the creators of the Reapers, and adds new dialogues to the conversation with the Catalyst.  

I've basically come to the conlusion that the "serve us" line means nothing and is just reaper language. Or maybe nothing yet. One of the things mentioned in Leviathan is reaper language. As we know, as people are indoctrinated, they learn the reapers' language. Playing Leviathan may change the line into something we can understand!

Edit: Does this thread just magically become slow when I show up?  :/

Yes  . But I don't understand what you guys are debating it isn't like it's a whisper it is almost a yell (well on my head phone it was) but the way it is said can be hard to hear it as Serve us or Save us because of the elongated way he says it.

It wouldn't bother me much since other reapers make that noise from time to time. It's the fact they added it to the EC and it's placement right before the Beam that knocks out shepard. But I have to agree we won't know for sure unless someone is able to remove the distortion ( I'm just playing around  and have no clue how to do that ).

[BansheeOwnage]

Rosewind wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

marcelo_sdk wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Oh and did anyone notice where did Anderson go when you were running to the Conduit/beacon. Also they still did not explain where did Shepard get the gun with unlimited ammo, so ya and Harby says Serve us, because you can clearly hear us.

I heard it a couple of times. First, it's certain tha he says something, it's not an interpretation. If people want to hear:

 

You can see that it's not the Reaper growl that we are trying to interpetrate, it's a totally different sound. And no, Harbinger doesn't make a different growl, when he arrives at the beam we can hear the usual Reaper growl.

When I heard it the first time, I was 100% sure it was "serve us". But after hearing it more than 10x with my headphone at max, I think it can be "save us". And, when I think about the endings, "save us" would explain a lot of things.

1. We know the Reapers where created by some specie. At least, what I understood, is that the Catalyst was created to resolve a conflict between that specie and the synthetics of that "cycle" (The Reapers?). The "brilliant" solution of the Catalyst was force that specie to be "stored" in Reaper form ("We tried synthesis before, but it didn't work. It's something that can't be forced"). That Reaper is Harbinger. Perhaps, differently that we think, the other Reapers are just AIs. They are not like Harbinger or the human reaper. And, as far as we know, the Reapers failed to create a Prothean Reaper, failed with a Human Reaper (and perhaps with a "Keepers Reaper?).

2. It would explain why Harbinger didn't destroy the Normandy and why he didn't killed Shepard.

3. To conclude, I think that in this phrase lies many answers to IT. If he says "serve us", everything stays open. IT remains a valid and possible explanation. But if he says "save us", we would have to change a lot of conclusions we made. First that, perhaps, the best ending is Control, and so, the Paragon and Renegade order would be restabilished. The Catalyst wants synthesis only, so Control would still goes against what he wants, but now you would save the galaxy AND The Reapers.

I think the Leviathan DLC will give us many answers. It appears to foccus at the creators of the Reapers, and adds new dialogues to the conversation with the Catalyst.  

I've basically come to the conlusion that the "serve us" line means nothing and is just reaper language. Or maybe nothing yet. One of the things mentioned in Leviathan is reaper language. As we know, as people are indoctrinated, they learn the reapers' language. Playing Leviathan may change the line into something we can understand!

Edit: Does this thread just magically become slow when I show up?  :/

Yes  . But I don't understand what you guys are debating it isn't like it's a whisper it is almost a yell (well on my head phone it was) but the way it is said can be hard to hear it as Serve us or Save us because of the elongated way he says it.

It's emphasized; everything goes quiet and he says it quite obviously. Yes. But IMHO it is indecipherable because it is gibberish. It's reaper language.

[marcelo_sdk]

We just need someone who know how to work with sound edition softwares. It's not that hard to clarify the sound, I think.

[Arian Dynas]

Rifneno wrote...

He could be saying "save us," "serve us," or "Charlie Sheen just beat up a prostitute." Doesn't really matter at this point. The power of suggestion will make us hear whatever we want to hear. The human mind sucks like that. Until someone finds a way to reverse the distortion, it's a pretty flimsy point for either side to use as an argument.

I've been saying the same thing for days.

But I CAN put a rest to this whole debate.

I think all of our German players will agree that Mass Effect has a suprelative German localization.

The phrase Harbinger shouts is the same in the German release as it is in the American one.

Whatever Harby is saying, it ain't English.

[Arian Dynas]

L0NEWOLF25 wrote...

I got my new theory up called Mind Games Theory (If the name's taken I'll change the name just post a comment on the blog's comment section.)
Go to paragraph 2 and you should get to some views I don't think most people have come out with just yet that I fell support the Indocterination theory very well.
http://social.biowar...93/blog/215156/

Edit: Sorry I meant Paragraph 3 also I went and fixed a few things that I found wrong with it. 

Can you do two things for us please?

A). Run it through word to get your grammatical errors and spelling out of the way so it's clearer.

. Give us the reader's digest version here?

[BansheeOwnage]

Arian Dynas wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

He could be saying "save us," "serve us," or "Charlie Sheen just beat up a prostitute." Doesn't really matter at this point. The power of suggestion will make us hear whatever we want to hear. The human mind sucks like that. Until someone finds a way to reverse the distortion, it's a pretty flimsy point for either side to use as an argument.

I've been saying the same thing for days.

But I CAN put a rest to this whole debate.

I think all of our German players will agree that Mass Effect has a suprelative German localization.

The phrase Harbinger shouts is the same in the German release as it is in the American one.

Whatever Harby is saying, it ain't English.

Like I said: it's reaperish.

[byne]

Arian Dynas wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

He could be saying "save us," "serve us," or "Charlie Sheen just beat up a prostitute." Doesn't really matter at this point. The power of suggestion will make us hear whatever we want to hear. The human mind sucks like that. Until someone finds a way to reverse the distortion, it's a pretty flimsy point for either side to use as an argument.

I've been saying the same thing for days.

But I CAN put a rest to this whole debate.

I think all of our German players will agree that Mass Effect has a suprelative German localization.

The phrase Harbinger shouts is the same in the German release as it is in the American one.

Whatever Harby is saying, it ain't English.

Is Cerberus called something different in the German localization? Because I remember that I and a few others could kind of vaguely hear him saying Cerberus...

[estebanus]

I think I understand why Harby didn't shoot down the Normandy.

Remember the reaper IFF? Well, What it does is that it emulates reaper code, right? Now think of what EDI says at a certain point in the game: "I have upgraded the reaper IFF. It should resemble reaper code exactly."

Now, the reapers identify their enemies by using IFFs, right? Otherwise, there would be no use in the reapers possessing this device. The Normandy has a reaper IFF installed. Therefor, Harbinger can't see the Normandy as a threat, and it leaves it alone.

Does this make sense to you? What do you think?

[TJBartlemus]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

He could be saying "save us," "serve us," or "Charlie Sheen just beat up a prostitute." Doesn't really matter at this point. The power of suggestion will make us hear whatever we want to hear. The human mind sucks like that. Until someone finds a way to reverse the distortion, it's a pretty flimsy point for either side to use as an argument.

I've been saying the same thing for days.

But I CAN put a rest to this whole debate.

I think all of our German players will agree that Mass Effect has a suprelative German localization.

The phrase Harbinger shouts is the same in the German release as it is in the American one.

Whatever Harby is saying, it ain't English.

Like I said: it's reaperish.

Modifié par TJBartlemus, 09 juillet 2012 - 06:24 .

[estebanus]

byne wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

He could be saying "save us," "serve us," or "Charlie Sheen just beat up a prostitute." Doesn't really matter at this point. The power of suggestion will make us hear whatever we want to hear. The human mind sucks like that. Until someone finds a way to reverse the distortion, it's a pretty flimsy point for either side to use as an argument.

I've been saying the same thing for days.

But I CAN put a rest to this whole debate.

I think all of our German players will agree that Mass Effect has a suprelative German localization.

The phrase Harbinger shouts is the same in the German release as it is in the American one.

Whatever Harby is saying, it ain't English.

Is Cerberus called something different in the German localization? Because I remember that I and a few others could kind of vaguely hear him saying Cerberus...

I think it's still called Cerberus, but it's spoken out in the german way, not the american one. 
But since I don't play ME3 in german, I can't really give you a solid (snake) answer.

[byne]

estebanus wrote...

I think I understand why Harby didn't shoot down the Normandy.

Remember the reaper IFF? Well, What it does is that it emulates reaper code, right? Now think of what EDI says at a certain point in the game: "I have upgraded the reaper IFF. It should resemble reaper code exactly."

Now, the reapers identify their enemies by using IFFs, right? Otherwise, there would be no use in the reapers possessing this device. The Normandy has a reaper IFF installed. Therefor, Harbinger can't see the Normandy as a threat, and it leaves it alone.

Does this make sense to you? What do you think?

That would be all well and good if Harby

A) wasnt capable of independent thought

didnt have six eyes to actually see the Normandy with

I think the IFFs are just to allow identification when not in visual range, and to allow more precise jumps through the Omega 4 Relay.

Edit: Actually, I got it right the first time, he has six eyes like I thought. I must be tired if I'm getting all confused about his eyes.

Modifié par byne, 09 juillet 2012 - 06:22 .

[Arian Dynas]

estebanus wrote...

I think I understand why Harby didn't shoot down the Normandy.

Remember the reaper IFF? Well, What it does is that it emulates reaper code, right? Now think of what EDI says at a certain point in the game: "I have upgraded the reaper IFF. It should resemble reaper code exactly."

Now, the reapers identify their enemies by using IFFs, right? Otherwise, there would be no use in the reapers possessing this device. The Normandy has a reaper IFF installed. Therefor, Harbinger can't see the Normandy as a threat, and it leaves it alone.

Does this make sense to you? What do you think?

The IFF only works in that context by lack of visual confirmation, a Reaper can still see the Normandy, the IFF just confuses them.

Otherwise explain how the Reapers that chase you while scanning could be any danger to you.

[masster blaster]

Guys I mean where is Anderson. He should be charging with us but he's not. And coats should have not been with Anderson, because he had to tell the Hammer and the rest of the Alliance forces where to go at the FBO. So it's weird that Coats is there with us and how only our squad seems to tell Anderson that Shepard brought everyone here, not the Reapers, which makes me wonder.

Did the Reapers get to Anderson, or was he Indoctrianted after he arrived into London?

[estebanus]

byne wrote...

estebanus wrote...

I think I understand why Harby didn't shoot down the Normandy.

Remember the reaper IFF? Well, What it does is that it emulates reaper code, right? Now think of what EDI says at a certain point in the game: "I have upgraded the reaper IFF. It should resemble reaper code exactly."

Now, the reapers identify their enemies by using IFFs, right? Otherwise, there would be no use in the reapers possessing this device. The Normandy has a reaper IFF installed. Therefor, Harbinger can't see the Normandy as a threat, and it leaves it alone.

Does this make sense to you? What do you think?

That would be all well and good if Harby

A) wasnt capable of independent thought

didnt have four eyes to actually see the Normandy with

I think the IFFs are just to allow identification when not in visual range, and to allow more precise jumps through the Omega 4 Relay.

Edit: I got Harby's number of eyes wrong the first time! How embarrassing!

Hmmm... Remember how Coats said the beam causes interference? Well, it could possibly have the same effect on Harbinger. And considering that it's standing right beside of the beam, it may have to rely on IFF identification.

[BansheeOwnage]

estebanus wrote...

I think I understand why Harby didn't shoot down the Normandy.

Remember the reaper IFF? Well, What it does is that it emulates reaper code, right? Now think of what EDI says at a certain point in the game: "I have upgraded the reaper IFF. It should resemble reaper code exactly."

Now, the reapers identify their enemies by using IFFs, right? Otherwise, there would be no use in the reapers possessing this device. The Normandy has a reaper IFF installed. Therefor, Harbinger can't see the Normandy as a threat, and it leaves it alone.

Does this make sense to you? What do you think?

It's a nice idea but I think I can disprove it. Sorry. Harby has "eyes". He can see the Normandy. This is proven when he looks directly at the Normandy. Anyway, if no reapers could see the Normandy because of their IFF, the Normandy could just kill all of the reapers. Slowly sure, but they could do it. So Harbinger just looks at the Normandy and apparently goes:
"Well, it LOOKS a hell of a lot like Shepard’s ship, but the paperwork says it's a reaper ship... so I guess it's all cool."
The IFF works on the relays because they're not alive at all.
Nice try though Estebanus

[estebanus]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

estebanus wrote...

I think I understand why Harby didn't shoot down the Normandy.

Remember the reaper IFF? Well, What it does is that it emulates reaper code, right? Now think of what EDI says at a certain point in the game: "I have upgraded the reaper IFF. It should resemble reaper code exactly."

Now, the reapers identify their enemies by using IFFs, right? Otherwise, there would be no use in the reapers possessing this device. The Normandy has a reaper IFF installed. Therefor, Harbinger can't see the Normandy as a threat, and it leaves it alone.

Does this make sense to you? What do you think?

It's a nice idea but I think I can disprove it. Sorry. Harby has "eyes". He can see the Normandy. This is proven when he looks directly at the Normandy. Anyway, if no reapers could see the Normandy because of their IFF, the Normandy could just kill all of the reapers. Slowly sure, but they could do it. So Harbinger just looks at the Normandy and apparently goes:
"Well, it LOOKS a hell of a lot like Shepard’s ship, but the paperwork says it's a reaper ship... so I guess it's all cool."
The IFF works on the relays because they're not alive at all.
Nice try though Estebanus

But... Do we know that they can visually see them?

[TJBartlemus]

estebanus wrote...

byne wrote...

estebanus wrote...

I think I understand why Harby didn't shoot down the Normandy.

Remember the reaper IFF? Well, What it does is that it emulates reaper code, right? Now think of what EDI says at a certain point in the game: "I have upgraded the reaper IFF. It should resemble reaper code exactly."

Now, the reapers identify their enemies by using IFFs, right? Otherwise, there would be no use in the reapers possessing this device. The Normandy has a reaper IFF installed. Therefor, Harbinger can't see the Normandy as a threat, and it leaves it alone.

Does this make sense to you? What do you think?

That would be all well and good if Harby

A) wasnt capable of independent thought

didnt have four eyes to actually see the Normandy with

I think the IFFs are just to allow identification when not in visual range, and to allow more precise jumps through the Omega 4 Relay.

Edit: I got Harby's number of eyes wrong the first time! How embarrassing!

Hmmm... Remember how Coats said the beam causes interference? Well, it could possibly have the same effect on Harbinger. And considering that it's standing right beside of the beam, it may have to rely on IFF identification.

Wrong. The beam was created by Reapers. A dead Reaper is strong enough to last through many cycles around a planet using kinetic barriers. They also can build bases next to black holes. I'm sure they have a defence of some type.

[byne]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

estebanus wrote...

I think I understand why Harby didn't shoot down the Normandy.

Remember the reaper IFF? Well, What it does is that it emulates reaper code, right? Now think of what EDI says at a certain point in the game: "I have upgraded the reaper IFF. It should resemble reaper code exactly."

Now, the reapers identify their enemies by using IFFs, right? Otherwise, there would be no use in the reapers possessing this device. The Normandy has a reaper IFF installed. Therefor, Harbinger can't see the Normandy as a threat, and it leaves it alone.

Does this make sense to you? What do you think?

It's a nice idea but I think I can disprove it. Sorry. Harby has "eyes". He can see the Normandy. This is proven when he looks directly at the Normandy. Anyway, if no reapers could see the Normandy because of their IFF, the Normandy could just kill all of the reapers. Slowly sure, but they could do it. So Harbinger just looks at the Normandy and apparently goes:
"Well, it LOOKS a hell of a lot like Shepard’s ship, but the paperwork says it's a reaper ship... so I guess it's all cool."
The IFF works on the relays because they're not alive at all.
Nice try though Estebanus

Hell, the Salarians have stealth dreadnoughts. They could down tons of Reapers.

You only get the stealth dreadnoughts if you sabotage the genophage though, which I always found odd.

Are the salarians really stupid enough to hold ships back from what they know is the final battle? Do they figure they can still win with those ships if the entire fleet gets decimated?

The dalatrass is so stupid it hurts my head.

[masster blaster]

Estebanue if it did then the Normandy, or any vehical/air crafte should not have been able to approch the beam since they could not even land near the conduit, which could be a beacon that Indoctrinates anyone that is still near it, or inside the beam of light.

[BansheeOwnage]

estebanus wrote...

byne wrote...

estebanus wrote...

I think I understand why Harby didn't shoot down the Normandy.

Remember the reaper IFF? Well, What it does is that it emulates reaper code, right? Now think of what EDI says at a certain point in the game: "I have upgraded the reaper IFF. It should resemble reaper code exactly."

Now, the reapers identify their enemies by using IFFs, right? Otherwise, there would be no use in the reapers possessing this device. The Normandy has a reaper IFF installed. Therefor, Harbinger can't see the Normandy as a threat, and it leaves it alone.

Does this make sense to you? What do you think?

That would be all well and good if Harby

A) wasnt capable of independent thought

didnt have four eyes to actually see the Normandy with

I think the IFFs are just to allow identification when not in visual range, and to allow more precise jumps through the Omega 4 Relay.

Edit: I got Harby's number of eyes wrong the first time! How embarrassing!

Hmmm... Remember how Coats said the beam causes interference? Well, it could possibly have the same effect on Harbinger. And considering that it's standing right beside of the beam, it may have to rely on IFF identification.

Well he can see the individual soldiers just fine. Plus I doubt the reapers would be affected by their own interference, much like snake venom.