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[TJBartlemus]

estebanus wrote...
But... Do we know that they can visually see them?

Then the eyes are for decoration? If Shepard can see them, I'm sure a Reaper with working eyes that are peobably more advanced than Shepard's can see them.

[masster blaster]

Sorry Banshee but while you have been away I have taken your spot at being first. So

[masster blaster]

masster blaster wrote...

Guys I mean where is Anderson. He should be charging with us but he's not. And coats should have not been with Anderson, because he had to tell the Hammer and the rest of the Alliance forces where to go at the FBO. So it's weird that Coats is there with us and how only our squad seems to tell Anderson that Shepard brought everyone here, not the Reapers, which makes me wonder.

Did the Reapers get to Anderson, or was he Indoctrianted after he arrived into London?

[BansheeOwnage]

masster blaster wrote...

Sorry Banshee but while you have been away I have taken your spot at being first. So

[estebanus]

TJBartlemus wrote...

estebanus wrote...

byne wrote...

estebanus wrote...

I think I understand why Harby didn't shoot down the Normandy.

Remember the reaper IFF? Well, What it does is that it emulates reaper code, right? Now think of what EDI says at a certain point in the game: "I have upgraded the reaper IFF. It should resemble reaper code exactly."

Now, the reapers identify their enemies by using IFFs, right? Otherwise, there would be no use in the reapers possessing this device. The Normandy has a reaper IFF installed. Therefor, Harbinger can't see the Normandy as a threat, and it leaves it alone.

Does this make sense to you? What do you think?

That would be all well and good if Harby

A) wasnt capable of independent thought

didnt have four eyes to actually see the Normandy with

I think the IFFs are just to allow identification when not in visual range, and to allow more precise jumps through the Omega 4 Relay.

Edit: I got Harby's number of eyes wrong the first time! How embarrassing!

Hmmm... Remember how Coats said the beam causes interference? Well, it could possibly have the same effect on Harbinger. And considering that it's standing right beside of the beam, it may have to rely on IFF identification.

Wrong. The beam was created by Reapers. A dead Reaper is strong enough to last through many cycles around a planet using kinetic barriers. They also can build bases next to black holes. I'm sure they have a defence of some type.

But we don't know that. We don't know if the reapers have some kind of defense against interference, do we? Also, I'm pretty sure that the reapers hadn't planed on putting someone at that exact spot. So maybe it does have a certain effect? I'm not really sure myself, I'm just throwing hypotheticals around here.

[TJBartlemus]

byne wrote...

Hell, the Salarians have stealth dreadnoughts. They could down tons of Reapers.

You only get the stealth dreadnoughts if you sabotage the genophage though, which I always found odd.

Are the salarians really stupid enough to hold ships back from what they know is the final battle? Do they figure they can still win with those ships if the entire fleet gets decimated?

The dalatrass is so stupid it hurts my head.

As bad as trolls? Personally dealing with trolls is like banging my head against the desk multiple times. 

[Auralius Carolus]

Arian Dynas wrote...

Choosing Refuse is like slamming the doors shut on all three, meaning he can make no progress, but the player can't get out of their own maze either.

Basically, Harbinger then realizes you no longer have any value or use to him, and simply chooses to kill you, since the potential gains are now outweighed by the effort.

I have yet to see any evidence of such things in ME. Recognizing indoctrination and working against it does not end the temptation, nor trap the victim in his/her "own maze". With the steady decay of neurological functions, Shepard will continue to be vulnerable.

[BansheeOwnage]

masster blaster wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Guys I mean where is Anderson. He should be charging with us but he's not. And coats should have not been with Anderson, because he had to tell the Hammer and the rest of the Alliance forces where to go at the FBO. So it's weird that Coats is there with us and how only our squad seems to tell Anderson that Shepard brought everyone here, not the Reapers, which makes me wonder.

Did the Reapers get to Anderson, or was he Indoctrianted after he arrived into London?

Anderson being indoctrinated has been dicussed a bit before. I think it's definitely possible but not likely. Regardless, the scene with him on the shuttle is weird. No matter what.

[byne]

masster blaster wrote...

Guys I mean where is Anderson. He should be charging with us but he's not. And coats should have not been with Anderson, because he had to tell the Hammer and the rest of the Alliance forces where to go at the FBO. So it's weird that Coats is there with us and how only our squad seems to tell Anderson that Shepard brought everyone here, not the Reapers, which makes me wonder.

Did the Reapers get to Anderson, or was he Indoctrianted after he arrived into London?

Yknow, with the EC, Shep takes like an extra two minutes to get her squad evac'd, then who knows how long unconscious after gettin Har-B-Q'ed, yet Anderson still claims he came up after us.

The **** were you doing all that time, Anderson?

[estebanus]

TJBartlemus wrote...

estebanus wrote...
But... Do we know that they can visually see them?

Then the eyes are for decoration? If Shepard can see them, I'm sure a Reaper with working eyes that are peobably more advanced than Shepard's can see them.

I thought the eyes were used to show Harbinger assuming control of  indoctrinated minions. Wasn't that made pretty clear in ME2?

[TJBartlemus]

estebanus wrote...
But we don't know that. We don't know if the reapers have some kind of defense against interference, do we? Also, I'm pretty sure that the reapers hadn't planed on putting someone at that exact spot. So maybe it does have a certain effect? I'm not really sure myself, I'm just throwing hypotheticals around here.

Well no defence to something they created would be a problem wouldn't it? Why put it up then? Nah, they either aren't affected or they have a defence. Good try though.

[BansheeOwnage]

estebanus wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

estebanus wrote...

byne wrote...

estebanus wrote...

I think I understand why Harby didn't shoot down the Normandy.

Remember the reaper IFF? Well, What it does is that it emulates reaper code, right? Now think of what EDI says at a certain point in the game: "I have upgraded the reaper IFF. It should resemble reaper code exactly."

Now, the reapers identify their enemies by using IFFs, right? Otherwise, there would be no use in the reapers possessing this device. The Normandy has a reaper IFF installed. Therefor, Harbinger can't see the Normandy as a threat, and it leaves it alone.

Does this make sense to you? What do you think?

That would be all well and good if Harby

A) wasnt capable of independent thought

didnt have four eyes to actually see the Normandy with

I think the IFFs are just to allow identification when not in visual range, and to allow more precise jumps through the Omega 4 Relay.

Edit: I got Harby's number of eyes wrong the first time! How embarrassing!

Hmmm... Remember how Coats said the beam causes interference? Well, it could possibly have the same effect on Harbinger. And considering that it's standing right beside of the beam, it may have to rely on IFF identification.

Wrong. The beam was created by Reapers. A dead Reaper is strong enough to last through many cycles around a planet using kinetic barriers. They also can build bases next to black holes. I'm sure they have a defence of some type.

But we don't know that. We don't know if the reapers have some kind of defense against interference, do we? Also, I'm pretty sure that the reapers hadn't planed on putting someone at that exact spot. So maybe it does have a certain effect? I'm not really sure myself, I'm just throwing hypotheticals around here.

Hmm. What exactly do you mean with the interference? Do you mean his targeting would be off? His vision?

[TJBartlemus]

byne wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Guys I mean where is Anderson. He should be charging with us but he's not. And coats should have not been with Anderson, because he had to tell the Hammer and the rest of the Alliance forces where to go at the FBO. So it's weird that Coats is there with us and how only our squad seems to tell Anderson that Shepard brought everyone here, not the Reapers, which makes me wonder.

Did the Reapers get to Anderson, or was he Indoctrianted after he arrived into London?

Yknow, with the EC, Shep takes like an extra two minutes to get her squad evac'd, then who knows how long unconscious after gettin Har-B-Q'ed, yet Anderson still claims he came up after us.

The **** were you doing all that time, Anderson?

Nah, he's mastered the teleportation from Star Trek. "Beam me up!!" - Anderson 

[BansheeOwnage]

byne wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Guys I mean where is Anderson. He should be charging with us but he's not. And coats should have not been with Anderson, because he had to tell the Hammer and the rest of the Alliance forces where to go at the FBO. So it's weird that Coats is there with us and how only our squad seems to tell Anderson that Shepard brought everyone here, not the Reapers, which makes me wonder.

Did the Reapers get to Anderson, or was he Indoctrianted after he arrived into London?

Yknow, with the EC, Shep takes like an extra two minutes to get her squad evac'd, then who knows how long unconscious after gettin Har-B-Q'ed, yet Anderson still claims he came up after us.

The **** were you doing all that time, Anderson?

Har-B-Q'ed.™



Priceless!

[masster blaster]

It would be cool, yet sad if we have to fight Anderson, if he was Indoctrinated, or your LI at that. Hummm your LI indoc and you have to put him, or her down. Bitter sweet boss battle. But I prefer Harby or Tim as the boss fight. Mainly Harby, but Anderson will do.

The student vs the Teacher.

[estebanus]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

estebanus wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

estebanus wrote...

byne wrote...

estebanus wrote...

I think I understand why Harby didn't shoot down the Normandy.

Remember the reaper IFF? Well, What it does is that it emulates reaper code, right? Now think of what EDI says at a certain point in the game: "I have upgraded the reaper IFF. It should resemble reaper code exactly."

Now, the reapers identify their enemies by using IFFs, right? Otherwise, there would be no use in the reapers possessing this device. The Normandy has a reaper IFF installed. Therefor, Harbinger can't see the Normandy as a threat, and it leaves it alone.

Does this make sense to you? What do you think?

That would be all well and good if Harby

A) wasnt capable of independent thought

didnt have four eyes to actually see the Normandy with

I think the IFFs are just to allow identification when not in visual range, and to allow more precise jumps through the Omega 4 Relay.

Edit: I got Harby's number of eyes wrong the first time! How embarrassing!

Hmmm... Remember how Coats said the beam causes interference? Well, it could possibly have the same effect on Harbinger. And considering that it's standing right beside of the beam, it may have to rely on IFF identification.

Wrong. The beam was created by Reapers. A dead Reaper is strong enough to last through many cycles around a planet using kinetic barriers. They also can build bases next to black holes. I'm sure they have a defence of some type.

But we don't know that. We don't know if the reapers have some kind of defense against interference, do we? Also, I'm pretty sure that the reapers hadn't planed on putting someone at that exact spot. So maybe it does have a certain effect? I'm not really sure myself, I'm just throwing hypotheticals around here.

Hmm. What exactly do you mean with the interference? Do you mean his targeting would be off? His vision?

I personally think that the interference may corrupt visual confirmation, yes. Because of this, Harbinger uses its IFF to identify enemies charging toward the beam.

[BansheeOwnage]

TJBartlemus wrote...

byne wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Guys I mean where is Anderson. He should be charging with us but he's not. And coats should have not been with Anderson, because he had to tell the Hammer and the rest of the Alliance forces where to go at the FBO. So it's weird that Coats is there with us and how only our squad seems to tell Anderson that Shepard brought everyone here, not the Reapers, which makes me wonder.

Did the Reapers get to Anderson, or was he Indoctrianted after he arrived into London?

Yknow, with the EC, Shep takes like an extra two minutes to get her squad evac'd, then who knows how long unconscious after gettin Har-B-Q'ed, yet Anderson still claims he came up after us.

The **** were you doing all that time, Anderson?

Nah, he's mastered the teleportation from Star Trek. "Beam me up!!" - Anderson 

Well he must have been cowaring in fear. I mean how else does he not have a scratch on him?

[Rifneno]

Reason number 4,379,224 that Harby wouldn't be fooled by the IFF: The Normandy is a frigate. Radar, ladar, infrared, just about any type of scan would show that it's WAY too tiny to have the IFF it's transmitting.

[estebanus]

TJBartlemus wrote...

estebanus wrote...
But we don't know that. We don't know if the reapers have some kind of defense against interference, do we? Also, I'm pretty sure that the reapers hadn't planed on putting someone at that exact spot. So maybe it does have a certain effect? I'm not really sure myself, I'm just throwing hypotheticals around here.

Well no defence to something they created would be a problem wouldn't it? Why put it up then? Nah, they either aren't affected or they have a defence. Good try though.

The defense being the IFF.

[masster blaster]

That's just it Anderson is dead or alive but he is still knocked out some where near Shepard, or he is Indoctrinated like we think Coats is.

[TJBartlemus]

estebanus wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

estebanus wrote...
But... Do we know that they can visually see them?

Then the eyes are for decoration? If Shepard can see them, I'm sure a Reaper with working eyes that are peobably more advanced than Shepard's can see them.

I thought the eyes were used to show Harbinger assuming control of  indoctrinated minions. Wasn't that made pretty clear in ME2?

That's a side effect of indoctrination. Remember? Glowey eyes? TIM, Saren and any husk have blue glowey eyes. Doesn't mean he's in control all the time. Like auto pilot. 

How useful would it be on Reapers if they relied on radar and used eyes like oven lights to let you know when it's done? Not really. He has some type of visual sight. It would be anti-productive to not be able to see. And Reapers are all about effeciency.

[BansheeOwnage]

estebanus wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

estebanus wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

estebanus wrote...

byne wrote...

estebanus wrote...

I think I understand why Harby didn't shoot down the Normandy.

Remember the reaper IFF? Well, What it does is that it emulates reaper code, right? Now think of what EDI says at a certain point in the game: "I have upgraded the reaper IFF. It should resemble reaper code exactly."

Now, the reapers identify their enemies by using IFFs, right? Otherwise, there would be no use in the reapers possessing this device. The Normandy has a reaper IFF installed. Therefor, Harbinger can't see the Normandy as a threat, and it leaves it alone.

Does this make sense to you? What do you think?

That would be all well and good if Harby

A) wasnt capable of independent thought

didnt have four eyes to actually see the Normandy with

I think the IFFs are just to allow identification when not in visual range, and to allow more precise jumps through the Omega 4 Relay.

Edit: I got Harby's number of eyes wrong the first time! How embarrassing!

Hmmm... Remember how Coats said the beam causes interference? Well, it could possibly have the same effect on Harbinger. And considering that it's standing right beside of the beam, it may have to rely on IFF identification.

Wrong. The beam was created by Reapers. A dead Reaper is strong enough to last through many cycles around a planet using kinetic barriers. They also can build bases next to black holes. I'm sure they have a defence of some type.

But we don't know that. We don't know if the reapers have some kind of defense against interference, do we? Also, I'm pretty sure that the reapers hadn't planed on putting someone at that exact spot. So maybe it does have a certain effect? I'm not really sure myself, I'm just throwing hypotheticals around here.

Hmm. What exactly do you mean with the interference? Do you mean his targeting would be off? His vision?

I personally think that the interference may corrupt visual confirmation, yes. Because of this, Harbinger uses its IFF to identify enemies charging toward the beam.

Well Harbinger shoots very well blind then. Perfectly hitting all of the ground troops and gunships, yet conveniently missed Shepard multiple times. How else does he see stuff? Infrared? I would think that would be affected just as much as the visual spectrum.

[Rifneno]

Reapers likely have more ways of detecting targets than we can imagine.

[legaldinho]

ok i get it- the reapers' beam is causing interference, only it's interfering with their sight and senses, not ours. Makes total sense.

[byne]

EDI was able to calibrate the missile targeting system to compensate for the interference fairly easily. If Harby cant do the same, then he's a crappy AI.

Sure, she had to draw the destroyer farther away from the beam, but she's just a primitive human AI, not a hyper-advanced super old AI.

Modifié par byne, 09 juillet 2012 - 06:47 .