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[BansheeOwnage]

legaldinho wrote...

ok i get it- the reapers' beam is causing interference, only it's interfering with their sight and senses, not ours. Makes total sense.

Well it makes more sense to affect them than us. Them being synthetic and using electronics. But no, I don't think it would affect them anyway.

[BansheeOwnage]

byne wrote...

EDI was able to calibrate the missile targeting system to compensate for the interference fairly easily. If Harby cant do the same, then he's a crappy AI.

Sure, she had to draw the destroyer farther away from the beam, but she's just a primitive human AI, not a hyper-advanced super old AI.

Yeah and Harby uses thanix beams. Much easier to use than missles.

[estebanus]

legaldinho wrote...

ok i get it- the reapers' beam is causing interference, only it's interfering with their sight and senses, not ours. Makes total sense.

We're organic. They're not. How the hell can yo even compare the two?

[estebanus]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

estebanus wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

estebanus wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

estebanus wrote...

byne wrote...

estebanus wrote...

I think I understand why Harby didn't shoot down the Normandy.

Remember the reaper IFF? Well, What it does is that it emulates reaper code, right? Now think of what EDI says at a certain point in the game: "I have upgraded the reaper IFF. It should resemble reaper code exactly."

Now, the reapers identify their enemies by using IFFs, right? Otherwise, there would be no use in the reapers possessing this device. The Normandy has a reaper IFF installed. Therefor, Harbinger can't see the Normandy as a threat, and it leaves it alone.

Does this make sense to you? What do you think?

That would be all well and good if Harby

A) wasnt capable of independent thought

didnt have four eyes to actually see the Normandy with

I think the IFFs are just to allow identification when not in visual range, and to allow more precise jumps through the Omega 4 Relay.

Edit: I got Harby's number of eyes wrong the first time! How embarrassing!

Hmmm... Remember how Coats said the beam causes interference? Well, it could possibly have the same effect on Harbinger. And considering that it's standing right beside of the beam, it may have to rely on IFF identification.

Wrong. The beam was created by Reapers. A dead Reaper is strong enough to last through many cycles around a planet using kinetic barriers. They also can build bases next to black holes. I'm sure they have a defence of some type.

But we don't know that. We don't know if the reapers have some kind of defense against interference, do we? Also, I'm pretty sure that the reapers hadn't planed on putting someone at that exact spot. So maybe it does have a certain effect? I'm not really sure myself, I'm just throwing hypotheticals around here.

Hmm. What exactly do you mean with the interference? Do you mean his targeting would be off? His vision?

I personally think that the interference may corrupt visual confirmation, yes. Because of this, Harbinger uses its IFF to identify enemies charging toward the beam.

Well Harbinger shoots very well blind then. Perfectly hitting all of the ground troops and gunships, yet conveniently missed Shepard multiple times. How else does he see stuff? Infrared? I would think that would be affected just as much as the visual spectrum.

IFF. I think it can identify singular enemies by scanning their genetic code. But I don't know.

[byne]

estebanus wrote...

legaldinho wrote...

ok i get it- the reapers' beam is causing interference, only it's interfering with their sight and senses, not ours. Makes total sense.

We're organic. They're not. How the hell can yo even compare the two?

They're partly organic.

[Auralius Carolus]

masster blaster wrote...

It would be cool, yet sad if we have to fight Anderson, if he was Indoctrinated, or your LI at that. Hummm your LI indoc and you have to put him, or her down. Bitter sweet boss battle. But I prefer Harby or Tim as the boss fight. Mainly Harby, but Anderson will do.

The student vs the Teacher.

I'll echo myself a bit here for possible "IT is true, so how do we stop the Reapers REALLY?" speculation.

TIM wants to gain control of the Reapers, this is known. Now, recall what happened after the direct link-up with Sovereign and Saren went sour- Reaper Blue Screen of Death.

If that affect were to multiply across the Reaper armadas... massive devistation. Admittedly, the codex says that such weaknesses haven't been witnessed amongst other Reapers, but that doesn't mean they don't exist. Do recall that, for whatever odd reason, Harbinger always controlled Collector minions indirectly through the Collector General. Could there be significance to that?

[Rifneno]

There's a slight difference between "it interferes with missile guidance systems" and "it disables all electronics associated with tracking and targeting, even Reapers', but no other types of electronics."

[estebanus]

byne wrote...

estebanus wrote...

legaldinho wrote...

ok i get it- the reapers' beam is causing interference, only it's interfering with their sight and senses, not ours. Makes total sense.

We're organic. They're not. How the hell can yo even compare the two?

They're partly organic.

Which makes up their sentience, not their programming.

[BansheeOwnage]

estebanus wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

estebanus wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

estebanus wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

estebanus wrote...

byne wrote...

estebanus wrote...

I think I understand why Harby didn't shoot down the Normandy.

Remember the reaper IFF? Well, What it does is that it emulates reaper code, right? Now think of what EDI says at a certain point in the game: "I have upgraded the reaper IFF. It should resemble reaper code exactly."

Now, the reapers identify their enemies by using IFFs, right? Otherwise, there would be no use in the reapers possessing this device. The Normandy has a reaper IFF installed. Therefor, Harbinger can't see the Normandy as a threat, and it leaves it alone.

Does this make sense to you? What do you think?

That would be all well and good if Harby

A) wasnt capable of independent thought

didnt have four eyes to actually see the Normandy with

I think the IFFs are just to allow identification when not in visual range, and to allow more precise jumps through the Omega 4 Relay.

Edit: I got Harby's number of eyes wrong the first time! How embarrassing!

Hmmm... Remember how Coats said the beam causes interference? Well, it could possibly have the same effect on Harbinger. And considering that it's standing right beside of the beam, it may have to rely on IFF identification.

Wrong. The beam was created by Reapers. A dead Reaper is strong enough to last through many cycles around a planet using kinetic barriers. They also can build bases next to black holes. I'm sure they have a defence of some type.

But we don't know that. We don't know if the reapers have some kind of defense against interference, do we? Also, I'm pretty sure that the reapers hadn't planed on putting someone at that exact spot. So maybe it does have a certain effect? I'm not really sure myself, I'm just throwing hypotheticals around here.

Hmm. What exactly do you mean with the interference? Do you mean his targeting would be off? His vision?

I personally think that the interference may corrupt visual confirmation, yes. Because of this, Harbinger uses its IFF to identify enemies charging toward the beam.

Well Harbinger shoots very well blind then. Perfectly hitting all of the ground troops and gunships, yet conveniently missed Shepard multiple times. How else does he see stuff? Infrared? I would think that would be affected just as much as the visual spectrum.

IFF. I think it can identify singular enemies by scanning their genetic code. But I don't know.

An IFF doesn't actually do anything besides, in this case, say "Hey, I'm a reaper." It's used to enter mass relays the reapers have blocked as the relays can't actually tell the difference because they are not capable of judging.

[estebanus]

Just forget I said anything then.

[Auralius Carolus]

legaldinho wrote...

ok i get it- the reapers' beam is causing interference, only it's interfering with their sight and senses, not ours. Makes total sense.

Harbinger was pegging individual soldiers with his beams. The Makos and gunships were targeted too. Inside an atmosphere such as Earth's, the SR2's thermal emission sinks would make no difference as heat signals would absorb and reflect off of the vehicle. And the IFF never functioned properly; if it would have, the automated Occuli wouldn't have activated nor the Collector ship been alerted during the suicide mission in ME2.

[masster blaster]

Guys one thing still bothers me is that. When Anderson pick your team well. Kind of tells me something is going to happen to the team you take with you not the Normandy evac scene but later if Bioware goes with IT, and continue from the Breath scene after that.

[BansheeOwnage]

estebanus wrote...

byne wrote...

estebanus wrote...

legaldinho wrote...

ok i get it- the reapers' beam is causing interference, only it's interfering with their sight and senses, not ours. Makes total sense.

We're organic. They're not. How the hell can yo even compare the two?

They're partly organic.

Which makes up their sentience, not their programming.

I don't know of that. But I am not perfect it doesn't really matter right now. What matters is their targeting and vision is 100% synthetic.

[byne]

estebanus wrote...

byne wrote...

estebanus wrote...

legaldinho wrote...

ok i get it- the reapers' beam is causing interference, only it's interfering with their sight and senses, not ours. Makes total sense.

We're organic. They're not. How the hell can yo even compare the two?

They're partly organic.

Which makes up their sentience, not their programming.

If Harby is that ****ing crippled right by the beam, why did he bother flying right down next to it in the first place? Why not bombard the ****ing thing from orbit and build a new beam once the threat is taken care of?

Most importantly, Estebanus, why are you making excuses for Harbinger?

Edit: Upon re-reading this, it seems like I'm yelling at you, or angry with you, estebanus. I didnt intend it to come across that way and I hope you dont take it that way.

<3

Modifié par byne, 09 juillet 2012 - 07:00 .

[BansheeOwnage]

estebanus wrote...

Just forget I said anything then.

Hey don't feel bad.  It was a pretty good idea. It's just unfortunate you had to be the guinea pig. Anyway, it's what we do here. Reach consensus.

[Rifneno]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

My quote pyramid.  THIS HURTS YOU, HUMAN.

Yes.  Yes, it does.

[estebanus]

byne wrote...

estebanus wrote...

byne wrote...

estebanus wrote...

legaldinho wrote...

ok i get it- the reapers' beam is causing interference, only it's interfering with their sight and senses, not ours. Makes total sense.

We're organic. They're not. How the hell can yo even compare the two?

They're partly organic.

Which makes up their sentience, not their programming.

If Harby is that ****ing crippled right by the beam, why did he bother flying right down next to it in the first place? Why not bombard the ****ing thing from orbit and build a new beam once the threat is taken care of?

Most importantly, Estebanus, why are you making excuses for Harbinger?

 

Making a theory productive requires ideas that rise and get potentially shot down. If we don't at least have a few differing opinions, the theory won't make good progress. 

And more importantly, why are you getting so pissed at me for having another idea? 

EDIT: never mind the last part.

Modifié par estebanus, 09 juillet 2012 - 07:01 .

[byne]

estebanus wrote...

byne wrote...

estebanus wrote...

byne wrote...

estebanus wrote...

legaldinho wrote...

ok i get it- the reapers' beam is causing interference, only it's interfering with their sight and senses, not ours. Makes total sense.

We're organic. They're not. How the hell can yo even compare the two?

They're partly organic.

Which makes up their sentience, not their programming.

If Harby is that ****ing crippled right by the beam, why did he bother flying right down next to it in the first place? Why not bombard the ****ing thing from orbit and build a new beam once the threat is taken care of?

Most importantly, Estebanus, why are you making excuses for Harbinger?

 

Making a theory productive requires ideas that rise and get potentially shot down. If we don't at least have a few differing opinions, the theory won't make good progress. 

And more importantly, why are you getting so pissed at me for having another idea?

Nooooo, you read it before I made my edit!

[masster blaster]

Okay guys I'm going to bed see yya in a bit.

[BansheeOwnage]

byne wrote...

estebanus wrote...

byne wrote...

estebanus wrote...

legaldinho wrote...

ok i get it- the reapers' beam is causing interference, only it's interfering with their sight and senses, not ours. Makes total sense.

We're organic. They're not. How the hell can yo even compare the two?

They're partly organic.

Which makes up their sentience, not their programming.

If Harby is that ****ing crippled right by the beam, why did he bother flying right down next to it in the first place? Why not bombard the ****ing thing from orbit and build a new beam once the threat is taken care of?

Most importantly, Estebanus, why are you making excuses for Harbinger?

Reason 1: Harbinger is awesome!
Reason 2: Because someone needs to come up with arguments so we can dismiss them with superior counter-arguments. Guinea-pigging. It must be done. I wouldn't expect anything less whenever I post an idea here. In fact, you'd better rip my idea to shreds. Why? Because if it can't take a decent amount of scrutiny it deserves to be torn to shreds.

Modifié par BansheeOwnage, 09 juillet 2012 - 07:07 .

[Rifneno]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Just forget I said anything then.

Hey don't feel bad.  It was a pretty good idea. It's just unfortunate you had to be the guinea pig. Anyway, it's what we do here. Reach consensus.

Exactly.  Nothing personal.

[BansheeOwnage]

Rifneno wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

My quote pyramid.  THIS HURTS YOU, HUMAN.

Yes.  Yes, it does.

SNIP ONE AND ONE HUNDRED WILL REPLACE IT.



(Not really )

[estebanus]

byne wrote...

estebanus wrote...

byne wrote...

estebanus wrote...

byne wrote...

estebanus wrote...

legaldinho wrote...

ok i get it- the reapers' beam is causing interference, only it's interfering with their sight and senses, not ours. Makes total sense.

We're organic. They're not. How the hell can yo even compare the two?

They're partly organic.

Which makes up their sentience, not their programming.

If Harby is that ****ing crippled right by the beam, why did he bother flying right down next to it in the first place? Why not bombard the ****ing thing from orbit and build a new beam once the threat is taken care of?

Most importantly, Estebanus, why are you making excuses for Harbinger?

 

Making a theory productive requires ideas that rise and get potentially shot down. If we don't at least have a few differing opinions, the theory won't make good progress. 

And more importantly, why are you getting so pissed at me for having another idea?

Nooooo, you read it before I made my edit!

So did you!

[byne]

estebanus wrote...

byne wrote...

estebanus wrote...

byne wrote...

estebanus wrote...

byne wrote...

estebanus wrote...

legaldinho wrote...

ok i get it- the reapers' beam is causing interference, only it's interfering with their sight and senses, not ours. Makes total sense.

We're organic. They're not. How the hell can yo even compare the two?

They're partly organic.

Which makes up their sentience, not their programming.

If Harby is that ****ing crippled right by the beam, why did he bother flying right down next to it in the first place? Why not bombard the ****ing thing from orbit and build a new beam once the threat is taken care of?

Most importantly, Estebanus, why are you making excuses for Harbinger?

 

Making a theory productive requires ideas that rise and get potentially shot down. If we don't at least have a few differing opinions, the theory won't make good progress. 

And more importantly, why are you getting so pissed at me for having another idea?

Nooooo, you read it before I made my edit!

So did you!

[Auralius Carolus]

masster blaster wrote...

Guys one thing still bothers me is that. When Anderson pick your team well. Kind of tells me something is going to happen to the team you take with you not the Normandy evac scene but later if Bioware goes with IT, and continue from the Breath scene after that.

Possible, but purely speculative. Anytime you're in a high-risk scenario, you want the best of the best by your side.