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[DJBare]

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

@HEllishfiend

Actually, I think I can hear it between 1-2 seconds on the video linked. But it's very faint and I can't hear it my own recording. Oddly enough mine starts out differently, with the last bit of the jungle scene medley reaching it's end and the "bell" takes place around that time.

EDIT: I'm a good mood I'm gonna through the red endign again, see if I can't hear it raw and make a new recording while I' mat it.

I seem to be able to pick out two chimes just before the breath, but the tempo is too fast for the beginning of the hourly chime, but the hourly chime of big ben does pick up in tempo a few notes in, cannot ever remember hearing the quarterly chimes, tried to find a sample on the net, but the only one I could find was as noisy as hell with traffic and people.

Modifié par DJBare, 22 mai 2012 - 09:49 .

[Xavendithas]

DJBare wrote...

Xavendithas wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

I actually believe Shepard would be more vulnerable while unconscious...

The limbic system processes information metaphorically by using familiar imagery...
It's active during dream states...

Reapers target the limbic system...

I would tend to agree with you, except for all the discussion on the last couple pages has got me thinking now. There could really be a connection to the Cipher that Shep received from the Thorian and his ability to passively resist indoctrination.

Another thing I started to think about, due to the thread ****ing about how everyone has to see Liara as a final 'vision' is something I brought up a couple of days ago that I think could have merit. Apparently no matter what ending you choose, nor the choices throughout the game leading up to it have a difference, you always see Liara smiling at you in the cutscene.

I'll throw it out there again just for sh**s and giggles, but what if the scene where Liara shares that vision with Shep before the push to the beam is her installing some sort of failsafe in Shepards head. It's known that Benezia was able to break free of indoctrination, however briefly...Liara could have figured out how she did it and thought Shep might need it.

Just some food for thought.

Accept Liara's gift is optional, Shepard has the choice to refuse it. 
Anyway, I have my doubts about Liara, along with Hackett and Anderson, Hackett is in a powerful position, a prime target for indoctrination, Anderson gives Shepard a sly look when stating he was born in London and Shepard(who already knew) says really?
Liara executed those cerberus soldiers on mars without a second thought, seems strange for someone who has an incredible curiosity not to ask questions.

I've only played through me3 once, I forgot it was optional. I still think there could be some significance to the fact you see her, Anderson, and Joker no matter what you do.

[Icinix]

DJBare wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

@HEllishfiend

Actually, I think I can hear it between 1-2 seconds on the video linked. But it's very faint and I can't hear it my own recording. Oddly enough mine starts out differently, with the last bit of the jungle scene medley reaching it's end and the "bell" takes place around that time.

EDIT: I'm a good mood I'm gonna through the red endign again, see if I can't hear it raw and make a new recording while I' mat it.

I seem to be able to pick out two chimes just before the breath, but the tempo is too fast for the beginning of the hourly chime, but the hourly chime of big ben does pick up in tempo a few notes in, cannot ever remember hearing the quarterly chimes, tried to find a sample on the net, but the only one I could find was as noisy as hell with traffic and people.

It definitely sounds like a bell - but more just a casual knock rather than any particular deliberate chime.

Which would make sense, because Big Ben would just be hanging there and something else would have caused it to sway - but I don't know, it isn't so distinctive from the rest of the ambient sounds that it would be a definite.

[Xavendithas]

Makrys wrote...

I absolutely loathe the whole "what if Liara was indoctrinated". Just stop, guys. That wouldn't happen. Especially to a LI. Please, its ridiculous.

I don't think it is that far outside of the realm of possibility.

A lot of evidence has been found, but I can almost guarantee there is a twist to it that we are missing.

Edit: Javik's comments regarding having his entire crew become indoctrinated and then hunt him through the galaxy could be foreshadowing. It's a stretch, but not something that should be dismissed outright.

Modifié par Xavendithas, 22 mai 2012 - 10:08 .

[MegumiAzusa]

Xavendithas wrote...

DJBare wrote...

Xavendithas wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

I actually believe Shepard would be more vulnerable while unconscious...

The limbic system processes information metaphorically by using familiar imagery...
It's active during dream states...

Reapers target the limbic system...

I would tend to agree with you, except for all the discussion on the last couple pages has got me thinking now. There could really be a connection to the Cipher that Shep received from the Thorian and his ability to passively resist indoctrination.

Another thing I started to think about, due to the thread ****ing about how everyone has to see Liara as a final 'vision' is something I brought up a couple of days ago that I think could have merit. Apparently no matter what ending you choose, nor the choices throughout the game leading up to it have a difference, you always see Liara smiling at you in the cutscene.

I'll throw it out there again just for sh**s and giggles, but what if the scene where Liara shares that vision with Shep before the push to the beam is her installing some sort of failsafe in Shepards head. It's known that Benezia was able to break free of indoctrination, however briefly...Liara could have figured out how she did it and thought Shep might need it.

Just some food for thought.

Accept Liara's gift is optional, Shepard has the choice to refuse it. 
Anyway, I have my doubts about Liara, along with Hackett and Anderson, Hackett is in a powerful position, a prime target for indoctrination, Anderson gives Shepard a sly look when stating he was born in London and Shepard(who already knew) says really?
Liara executed those cerberus soldiers on mars without a second thought, seems strange for someone who has an incredible curiosity not to ask questions.

I've only played through me3 once, I forgot it was optional. I still think there could be some significance to the fact you see her, Anderson, and Joker no matter what you do.

Don't you see Ash/Kaidan if you romance them?

[Icinix]

Xavendithas wrote...

Makrys wrote...

I absolutely loathe the whole "what if Liara was indoctrinated". Just stop, guys. That wouldn't happen. Especially to a LI. Please, its ridiculous.

I don't think it is that far outside of the realm of possibility.

A lot of evidence has been found, but I can almost guarantee there is a twist to it that we are missing.

Agreed - were BioWare to present that, it wouldn't be outside their previous work.

We've needed a good Bastila for a while, Morrigan came close but she was always so uptight her eventual situation at the end wasn't as massive.

[MegumiAzusa]

Xavendithas wrote...

Makrys wrote...

I absolutely loathe the whole "what if Liara was indoctrinated". Just stop, guys. That wouldn't happen. Especially to a LI. Please, its ridiculous.

I don't think it is that far outside of the realm of possibility.

A lot of evidence has been found, but I can almost guarantee there is a twist to it that we are missing.

You might have to kill Leliana in DAO even if she's a LI.

[Xavendithas]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Xavendithas wrote...

DJBare wrote...

Xavendithas wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

I actually believe Shepard would be more vulnerable while unconscious...

The limbic system processes information metaphorically by using familiar imagery...
It's active during dream states...

Reapers target the limbic system...

I would tend to agree with you, except for all the discussion on the last couple pages has got me thinking now. There could really be a connection to the Cipher that Shep received from the Thorian and his ability to passively resist indoctrination.

Another thing I started to think about, due to the thread ****ing about how everyone has to see Liara as a final 'vision' is something I brought up a couple of days ago that I think could have merit. Apparently no matter what ending you choose, nor the choices throughout the game leading up to it have a difference, you always see Liara smiling at you in the cutscene.

I'll throw it out there again just for sh**s and giggles, but what if the scene where Liara shares that vision with Shep before the push to the beam is her installing some sort of failsafe in Shepards head. It's known that Benezia was able to break free of indoctrination, however briefly...Liara could have figured out how she did it and thought Shep might need it.

Just some food for thought.

Accept Liara's gift is optional, Shepard has the choice to refuse it. 
Anyway, I have my doubts about Liara, along with Hackett and Anderson, Hackett is in a powerful position, a prime target for indoctrination, Anderson gives Shepard a sly look when stating he was born in London and Shepard(who already knew) says really?
Liara executed those cerberus soldiers on mars without a second thought, seems strange for someone who has an incredible curiosity not to ask questions.

I've only played through me3 once, I forgot it was optional. I still think there could be some significance to the fact you see her, Anderson, and Joker no matter what you do.

Don't you see Ash/Kaidan if you romance them?

I romanced Ash in the first game, then Jack in me2 and 3. I saw Liara at the end of my game.

[Xavendithas]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Xavendithas wrote...

Makrys wrote...

I absolutely loathe the whole "what if Liara was indoctrinated". Just stop, guys. That wouldn't happen. Especially to a LI. Please, its ridiculous.

I don't think it is that far outside of the realm of possibility.

A lot of evidence has been found, but I can almost guarantee there is a twist to it that we are missing.

You might have to kill Leliana in DAO even if she's a LI.

Exactly, and that sucks when she tries to kill you and you have no choice but to kill her. That left a bad taste in my mouth.

[Icinix]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Xavendithas wrote...

Makrys wrote...

I absolutely loathe the whole "what if Liara was indoctrinated". Just stop, guys. That wouldn't happen. Especially to a LI. Please, its ridiculous.

I don't think it is that far outside of the realm of possibility.

A lot of evidence has been found, but I can almost guarantee there is a twist to it that we are missing.

You might have to kill Leliana in DAO even if she's a LI.

Although they're not LI's,

Shale and Wynne as well. Zevran also decides to turn if your rep isn't as high.

In KOTOR, well, you could lose half your group near the end.

[MegumiAzusa]

Xavendithas wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Xavendithas wrote...

DJBare wrote...

Xavendithas wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

I actually believe Shepard would be more vulnerable while unconscious...

The limbic system processes information metaphorically by using familiar imagery...
It's active during dream states...

Reapers target the limbic system...

I would tend to agree with you, except for all the discussion on the last couple pages has got me thinking now. There could really be a connection to the Cipher that Shep received from the Thorian and his ability to passively resist indoctrination.

Another thing I started to think about, due to the thread ****ing about how everyone has to see Liara as a final 'vision' is something I brought up a couple of days ago that I think could have merit. Apparently no matter what ending you choose, nor the choices throughout the game leading up to it have a difference, you always see Liara smiling at you in the cutscene.

I'll throw it out there again just for sh**s and giggles, but what if the scene where Liara shares that vision with Shep before the push to the beam is her installing some sort of failsafe in Shepards head. It's known that Benezia was able to break free of indoctrination, however briefly...Liara could have figured out how she did it and thought Shep might need it.

Just some food for thought.

Accept Liara's gift is optional, Shepard has the choice to refuse it. 
Anyway, I have my doubts about Liara, along with Hackett and Anderson, Hackett is in a powerful position, a prime target for indoctrination, Anderson gives Shepard a sly look when stating he was born in London and Shepard(who already knew) says really?
Liara executed those cerberus soldiers on mars without a second thought, seems strange for someone who has an incredible curiosity not to ask questions.

I've only played through me3 once, I forgot it was optional. I still think there could be some significance to the fact you see her, Anderson, and Joker no matter what you do.

Don't you see Ash/Kaidan if you romance them?

I romanced Ash in the first game, then Jack in me2 and 3. I saw Liara at the end of my game.

Romance Ash/Kaidan in ME3, they should get their own flashback.

[MegumiAzusa]

Icinix wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Xavendithas wrote...

Makrys wrote...

I absolutely loathe the whole "what if Liara was indoctrinated". Just stop, guys. That wouldn't happen. Especially to a LI. Please, its ridiculous.

I don't think it is that far outside of the realm of possibility.

A lot of evidence has been found, but I can almost guarantee there is a twist to it that we are missing.

You might have to kill Leliana in DAO even if she's a LI.

Although they're not LI's,

Shale and Wynne as well. Zevran also decides to turn if your rep isn't as high.

In KOTOR, well, you could lose half your group near the end.

DA2 one of your siblings gets blighted and dies and later the other one can get blighted and die. And also half your group can turn on you.

[Arian Dynas]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Big Bad wrote...

****. I've been playing through ME1 and ME2 with the specific purpose of doing things as "perfectly" as I could. In particular, I wanted to save my entire crew, which I have never done before. Looks like I just screwed that up - I did the reaper IFF mission prior to completing Jacob and Samara's loyalty mission. I was about to start Samara's, but the Collector ship-boarding scene kicked in.

I sadly don't think I have any pre-derelict reaper saves. Is there any way to salvage this so at least all of my squadmates survive?

Squadmates? Yes. Crewmates? No.

You always have 2 missions (or better: you can land 2x) after you grab the IFF.
If you've got Zaeed and Kasumi the minimum from what I can tell is:
Zaeed, Samara, Tali, Mordin, Garrus or Miranda, Grunt, and Kasumi.
Note: Mordin and Grunt can be done on one go after the IFF mission, so you can get up to 3 loyalties after that.

Arian Dynas wrote...

If memory serves, if you do not go right away half the crew dies. If you go immediately you save them all.

If Miranda and Garrus (if s/he's loyal) lead the fire teams they do well. Send Mordin as the crew escort or Mordin dies. Make either Loyal Jack or Loyal Samara (not an option here clearly, so use Jack) as your Biotic expert, and make either Tali or Legion your tech expert.

Why does no one like Mordin? He's quite good when facing the proto reaper.

Because unless you take him with you or send him to escort the crew, he will die. And usually, I am more focused on who on the team can do the best at a paticular job, and who better to escort the crew than the ship's doctor (ok, so he's not the MEDICAL doctor, but still), then I take who ever is left over with me since I'm usually a badass anyway. 

[Xavendithas]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Xavendithas wrote...

snip

Romance Ash/Kaidan in ME3, they should get their own flashback.

Makes sense, they just pissed me off so much in ME2 during the Horizon scene that I didn't care anymore.

Off to work, have funs speculating.

[Arian Dynas]

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

gunslinger:
The chime occurs right before the timer switches over to the 5th second in this video, partway through the "building settling" groan that starts right before it.




edit: also, big ben for comparison:

I can't hear it........I don't see... I'm not sure how to......

I don't hear anything aside from the "building settling" and the wind.

I hear a groaning metal sound that could MAYBE be a bell at first, but is probably just the sound of an I-beam  or something breaking. Besides, by this point, Big Ben would be in no condition to chime anyway.

Modifié par Arian Dynas, 22 mai 2012 - 10:16 .

[MegumiAzusa]

Arian Dynas wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Big Bad wrote...

****. I've been playing through ME1 and ME2 with the specific purpose of doing things as "perfectly" as I could. In particular, I wanted to save my entire crew, which I have never done before. Looks like I just screwed that up - I did the reaper IFF mission prior to completing Jacob and Samara's loyalty mission. I was about to start Samara's, but the Collector ship-boarding scene kicked in.

I sadly don't think I have any pre-derelict reaper saves. Is there any way to salvage this so at least all of my squadmates survive?

Squadmates? Yes. Crewmates? No.

You always have 2 missions (or better: you can land 2x) after you grab the IFF.
If you've got Zaeed and Kasumi the minimum from what I can tell is:
Zaeed, Samara, Tali, Mordin, Garrus or Miranda, Grunt, and Kasumi.
Note: Mordin and Grunt can be done on one go after the IFF mission, so you can get up to 3 loyalties after that.

Arian Dynas wrote...

If memory serves, if you do not go right away half the crew dies. If you go immediately you save them all.

If Miranda and Garrus (if s/he's loyal) lead the fire teams they do well. Send Mordin as the crew escort or Mordin dies. Make either Loyal Jack or Loyal Samara (not an option here clearly, so use Jack) as your Biotic expert, and make either Tali or Legion your tech expert.

Why does no one like Mordin? He's quite good when facing the proto reaper.

Because unless you take him with you or send him to escort the crew, he will die. And usually, I am more focused on who on the team can do the best at a paticular job, and who better to escort the crew than the ship's doctor (ok, so he's not the MEDICAL doctor, but still), then I take who ever is left over with me since I'm usually a badass anyway. 

Each character has a score of how well they do to hold the line, if that is over the threshold where no one dies, no one will die, even if Mordin is holding the line.

[gunslinger_ruiz]

@Hellishfiend

I still can't hear any sort of chime as the 4th second turns over. But I'm taking your word for it for now, you're one our more logical posters. I'll keep listening when I'm not quite so tired.

@Arian Dynas

I'm almost positive Big Ben is still working to some degree, the time seems to change between when you see it in the background of the Hades Cannon, and the end cinematics. Course the cinematic team might not have been paying attention to the mission sequence and put the wrong time display.

[Arian Dynas]

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

@Hellishfiend

I still can't hear any sort of chime as the 4th second turns over. But I'm taking your word for it for now, you're one our more logical posters. I'll keep listening when I'm not quite so tired.

@Arian Dynas

I'm almost positive Big Ben is still working to some degree, the time seems to change between when you see it in the background of the Hades Cannon, and the end cinematics. Course the cinematic team might not have been paying attention to the mission sequence and put the wrong time display.

Big Ben is the one thing in the whole of London the Reapers leave untouched and working, yet the apparently leveled Buckingham and the London Bridge, choked the Thames with bodies and left the place a more bombed out ruin than the blitz ever did.

Why the hell would they do that? To promote tourism? Perhaps they need a convineient egg timer for so they don't overcook the new Human Reaper? Or surely they decided to be respectful of it's cultural significance.

I'ma be blunt. I find that a bit far fetched unless it's a design oversight.

[WinterCrow]

Seeing as everyone ignored my last comment I'll ask again, could someone please summarize any important finding in the last 50 pages or so? What is the discussion about right now?

Pretty pleaseee

[gunslinger_ruiz]

@Big Bad

If you're still up and reading this and no one mentioned it yet, ALL you have to do in order to have all loyal squadmates in ME2 is complete every loyalty mission Before the IFF mission. That mission never goes away, you can literally explore 100% of the galaxy + DLC missions and the IFF mission will be sitting there. Doing the IFF mission also unlocked Legion + his loyalty mission, so right after that you'll get the Collector ambush, and be clear to to launch the suicide mission with all loyalty shields ready.

Also, probably know this, upgrade the Normandy completely (thanix cannon, sheilds, heavy armor, maybe even the thurster and probes whynot). The only thing you don't need to upgrade is hte MedBay scar treatment. If you Don't upgrade you could lose a squadmate for each thing you don't have.

For the assignments: Tali or Legion or Kasumi for tech expert, Miranda for secondary team leader and Fire Team leader. Samara or Jack for the seeker swarm biotic shield. Send Mordin to escort the surviving crewmates back, he's died while "holding the line" 2 out of 10 times for me even with a loyalty shield so sending him back potentially saves him. If everyone is loyal, everyone should survive "hold the line" and the human-reaper encounter.

[Arian Dynas]

Icinix wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Xavendithas wrote...

Makrys wrote...

I absolutely loathe the whole "what if Liara was indoctrinated". Just stop, guys. That wouldn't happen. Especially to a LI. Please, its ridiculous.

I don't think it is that far outside of the realm of possibility.

A lot of evidence has been found, but I can almost guarantee there is a twist to it that we are missing.

You might have to kill Leliana in DAO even if she's a LI.

Although they're not LI's,

Shale and Wynne as well. Zevran also decides to turn if your rep isn't as high.

In KOTOR, well, you could lose half your group near the end.

And in Baldur's Gate, you could lose your entire group anytime! Though (spoilers) Yoshimo was the only one who died according to the plot, and that you could prevent if you didn't bring him with you.

[gunslinger_ruiz]

Arian Dynas wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

@Hellishfiend

I still can't hear any sort of chime as the 4th second turns over. But I'm taking your word for it for now, you're one our more logical posters. I'll keep listening when I'm not quite so tired.

@Arian Dynas

I'm almost positive Big Ben is still working to some degree, the time seems to change between when you see it in the background of the Hades Cannon, and the end cinematics. Course the cinematic team might not have been paying attention to the mission sequence and put the wrong time display.

Big Ben is the one thing in the whole of London the Reapers leave untouched and working, yet the apparently leveled Buckingham and the London Bridge, choked the Thames with bodies and left the place a more bombed out ruin than the blitz ever did.

Why the hell would they do that? To promote tourism? Perhaps they need a convineient egg timer for so they don't overcook the new Human Reaper? Or surely they decided to be respectful of it's cultural significance.

I'ma be blunt. I find that a bit far fetched unless it's a design oversight.

Simple reason, it's in the trailers and adds cinematic effect to the game. Also gives the players something to fight for possibly, a sense of Earth to fight for. Even if you don't live in London most gamers know what Big Ben is, and at the very least know it's some kind of monument or another. On the other hand maybe the Reapers just didn't care to blow it hell...or...maybe since Coats was hanging out in there and they needed him alive... ...

But aside from that, time for me to go to bed, night all, stay frosty, keep at it.

[MegumiAzusa]

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

@Hellishfiend

I still can't hear any sort of chime as the 4th second turns over. But I'm taking your word for it for now, you're one our more logical posters. I'll keep listening when I'm not quite so tired.

@Arian Dynas

I'm almost positive Big Ben is still working to some degree, the time seems to change between when you see it in the background of the Hades Cannon, and the end cinematics. Course the cinematic team might not have been paying attention to the mission sequence and put the wrong time display.

Big Ben is the one thing in the whole of London the Reapers leave untouched and working, yet the apparently leveled Buckingham and the London Bridge, choked the Thames with bodies and left the place a more bombed out ruin than the blitz ever did.

Why the hell would they do that? To promote tourism? Perhaps they need a convineient egg timer for so they don't overcook the new Human Reaper? Or surely they decided to be respectful of it's cultural significance.

I'ma be blunt. I find that a bit far fetched unless it's a design oversight.

Simple reason, it's in the trailers and adds cinematic effect to the game. Also gives the players something to fight for possibly, a sense of Earth to fight for. Even if you don't live in London most gamers know what Big Ben is, and at the very least know it's some kind of monument or another. On the other hand maybe the Reapers just didn't care to blow it hell...or...maybe since Coats was hanging out in there and they needed him alive... ...

But aside from that, time for me to go to bed, night all, stay frosty, keep at it.

Simple reason: to blow it up when you ****ed up and got low ems

[Rifneno]

Rosewind wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

*Snip*

Makrys wrote...

I want to know why Harbinger has those Prothean 'eyes'.

I still say he's the Prothean Reaper. Even his logic when trying to indoctrinate Shepard is the same anti-synthetic drivel Javik pukes out.

Why does the human reaper have four eyes though?

I don't know. I do know that Harbinger has six as opposed to Prothean's four though. So there seems to be extra in both cases. Provided Harbinger is Prothean of course.

As for the codex saying Harbinger is believed to be the oldest, it's pretty laughable. There's no way they could possibly know. They would need part of Harbinger to test, which they don't. And even if they did, they had almost half of Sovereign's wreckage and they couldn't tell he was too old to be a geth creation. Then they'd have to determine if the age they came up with was just the age of that particular piece of metal or the entire dreadnought. And that's just about how impossible it is for them to have an age on Harbinger, saying he's the oldest would also mean they'd have to have an age on every single Reaper for comparison. No, it's a completely throwaway line that couldn't possibly have any real basis. Which makes me think it's actually there to throw us off, but that could just be confirmation bias on my part.

blooregard wrote...

Also am I the only one that things the Collector General is a disgusting fusion of a Keeper and a Prothean/Collector.

Wow, I never noticed that. You may be right.

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Why does no one like Mordin? He's quite good when facing the proto reaper.

It's not that no one likes him. It's that he's the most likely to die if left to hold the line. Jack is second I believe, followed by... Tali? Not sure. I've only heard of anyone except Mordin dying at hold the line once or twice.

DJBare wrote...

The reapers want cerberus and alliance at war with each other, while we kill each other it makes life easier for the reapers, the reason I think they indoctrinated Hackett is to make sure the citadel gets finished and delivered, I'll stand by my statement it's all a ruse and that's why the reapers left the citadel relatively unguarded, the reapers knew about the crucible, if they had considered it a threat there would have been a major battle when it arrived, accept there was not.

Agreed except for the part where we're still assuming Hackett is indoctrinated for no good reason whatsoever.

MegumiAzusa wrote...

You might have to kill Leliana in DAO even if she's a LI.

I don't think that compares well. Liara being indoctrinated is something presumably outside out control and would take us by surprise. If someone didn't realize that Leliana wouldn't take kindly when they made the conscious decision to pissing in Andraste's urn, they may wish to get a CAT Scan.

No, really? Might have to kill Leliana? As in, there's no alternative other than defiling the Earthly remains of her deity? How about not defiling it? Seems a viable option to me.

Xavendithas wrote...

Exactly, and that sucks when she tries to kill you and you have no choice but to kill her. That left a bad taste in my mouth.

A hardcore religious person doesn't take kindly to the defilement of their fictional equivalent of Christ? The hell you say!

Arian Dynas wrote...

And in Baldur's Gate, you could lose your entire group anytime! Though (spoilers) Yoshimo was the only one who died according to the plot, and that you could prevent if you didn't bring him with you.

Not true. The gias kills him anyway if he didn't fulfill his goal. Leave him at the bar when you go to Spellhold. When you come back, he'll be dead.

[Icinix]

I've seen a few people viewing the in game assets from a program of some kind - does anyone know what ones are easy for straight up viewing?