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[HellishFiend]

Arian Dynas wrote...

estebanus wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

estebanus wrote...
I think reapers are able to control the yield of their beams...

Ok, who else read that with a dirty mind? Nobody? Aww..

*Slaps you*

I find it amusing that the man is slapping the woman for a dirty joke here.

No kidding. Usually when a woman makes a dirty joke, it ends up being a Quagmire moment. 

[L0NEWOLF25]

Arian Dynas wrote...

L0NEWOLF25 wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

L0NEWOLF25 wrote...

I got my new theory up called Mind Games Theory (If the name's taken I'll change the name just post a comment on the blog's comment section.)
Go to paragraph 2 and you should get to some views I don't think most people have come out with just yet that I fell support the Indocterination theory very well.
http://social.biowar...93/blog/215156/

Edit: Sorry I meant Paragraph 3 also I went and fixed a few things that I found wrong with it. 

Can you do two things for us please?

A). Run it through word to get your grammatical errors and spelling out of the way so it's clearer.

. Give us the reader's digest version here?

Yeah I'll go ahead and fix it, sorry that I didn't realize how much of a mess it was before now. I forget that people don't always know what it is that I'm talking about, or that they just can't understand it because of how I write. I'm working on fixing it now, but here is the main thing that I was trying to point out with my theory:

"The Reapers could try and turn Legion's sacrifice against Shepard.The reapers are making Shepard choose destroy which will kill the Geth, the race Legion sacrificed himself for, or Shepard can choose Control/Synthesis and make sure the Geth can live at peace with the rest of the Galaxy. The reapers are basically turning Shepard’s beliefs and the sacrifices of his friends against him and trying to persuade him that control and synthesis are the right options. This is one of the many ways the reapers have turned things against shepard. Destory being red and control being blue are good  examples of this happening before.

 

So the idea being that the reason the Destroy tube kills the Geth, is because the Reapers are trying to make it to where Shepard is unwilling to render Legion's sacrifice meaningless?

What are your thoughts about playthroughs where Shepard did not care about EDI or let the Geth die?

If Shepard lets the Geth die back on Rannoch it's one less thing the Reapers can use against shepard for the obvious reason of the Geth not being around anymore/ Shepard not caring for them. The same goes for EDI if you didn't care about her.

What I'm trying to get at is the Reapers are going to try everything they can to Indoctrinate shepard and the more the Reapers have at their disposel the better the chance of them Indoctrinating shepard.

Modifié par L0NEWOLF25, 09 juillet 2012 - 06:42 .

[Priss Blackburne]

Again not arguing that it's a dream. Arguing why the reapers would want Shepard alive not dead. Everything afterwards doesn't make any sense unless most of it is not real. Also look up when your walking forward after getting knocked down, Lot's of reaper eyes above you.

[XanderLav]

masster blaster wrote...

XanderLav wrote...

masster blaster wrote...


are you sure, because I could have sworn that the Leviathan primary purpose was that to, but said f*** this, and left the Reaper army.

oh and if they wanted to, then why did Hary leave, if this is not a dream/Indoc attempt?

Harby could have picked up Shepard, and that's it.

Don't use Leviathan as a proof of anything. The DLC is neither released nor you have solid evidence of what to think of Leviathan. You can speculate on leaked scripts, but you can't build your argument using it.

i am simply aplying that if the leviathan can disobey the Catalyst, then why don't the Reapers just leave, or there is no Catalyst that Controls the Reaperes, but Harbinger. Since if they have AI shackels like mentioned in the script, then I think the Creators taht built the Reapers/harby were building the first Synthetic that was supposte to store the knowlogy ot the specias, but it begain to think for it's self, and started Reapering it"s creator/ teh leviathans.

The Reaeprs are based off the Leviathans as the Catalyst states that what you see as the body of the Reapers, is the shape of the Creators.

OK, I understand what you're saying. You use leaked script as solid evidence, you can't do that. Script can be changed for the DLC, or was changed for EC. Maybe BW removed/altered some of the lines so we have just enough to speculate about. I'm just saying in order to build solid ground for your argument you should avoid using this script. 

[BleedingUranium]

Repost because no one saw it

Something that seems very important my brother (BansheeOwnage) and I just noticed after I finally played EC for myself yesterday, Vendetta has creepy voices in the background when he's on Cronos, the whole time he talks. More of his own voice. I never noticed it before, and have never seen it mentioned, so I was pretty freaked out.

We turned it up at a dialogue choice pause, because it keeps going there, and it seems to be lines he normally says cut up and messed with. We could both make out "Catalyst" and "Indoctrinated Forces", though nothing else. All the dilogue sounds sped up and there are three of his own voices at once (maybe more); one pitched up, one down, and one normal. For anything else one of you would need to pull out the sound file.

So, on top of the good amount of evidence that Vendetta's either a plant or has been tampered with, this seems to support something's wrong with him, most likely tampering.

Thoughts? Can anyone check Thessia?

Also, how do I make my sig's words different colours, they keep going back to black when I try to save it

[MaximizedAction]

L0NEWOLF25 wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

L0NEWOLF25 wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

L0NEWOLF25 wrote...

I got my new theory up called Mind Games Theory (If the name's taken I'll change the name just post a comment on the blog's comment section.)
Go to paragraph 2 and you should get to some views I don't think most people have come out with just yet that I fell support the Indocterination theory very well.
http://social.biowar...93/blog/215156/

Edit: Sorry I meant Paragraph 3 also I went and fixed a few things that I found wrong with it. 

Can you do two things for us please?

A). Run it through word to get your grammatical errors and spelling out of the way so it's clearer.

. Give us the reader's digest version here?

Yeah I'll go ahead and fix it, sorry that I didn't realize how much of a mess it was before now. I forget that people don't always know what it is that I'm talking about, or that they just can't understand it because of how I write. I'm working on fixing it now, but here is the main thing that I was trying to point out with my theory:

"The Reapers could try and turn Legion's sacrifice against Shepard.The reapers are making Shepard choose destroy which will kill the Geth, the race Legion sacrificed himself for, or Shepard can choose Control/Synthesis and make sure the Geth can live at peace with the rest of the Galaxy. The reapers are basically turning Shepard’s beliefs and the sacrifices of his friends against him and trying to persuade him that control and synthesis are the right options. This is one of the many ways the reapers have turned things against shepard. Destory being red and control being blue are good  examples of this happening before.

 

So the idea being that the reason the Destroy tube kills the Geth, is because the Reapers are trying to make it to where Shepard is unwilling to render Legion's sacrifice meaningless?

What are your thoughts about playthroughs where Shepard did not care about EDI or let the Geth die?

If Shepard lets the Geth die back on Rannoch it's one less thing the Reapers can use against shepard for the obvious reason of the Geth not being around anymore/ Shepard not caring for them. The same goes for EDI if you didn't care about her.

What I'm trying to get at is the Reapers are going to try everything they can to Indoctrinate shepard and the more the Reapers have at their disposel the better the chance of them Indoctrinating shepard.

Someone over at liggy's thread pointed out, that at low EMS your current squad gets shot down. Even though, we see them after Normandy's crash landing, their death still demoralizes Shep.
So how could one interpret the low EMS case with respect to Shepard's morale?

[Priss Blackburne]

BleedingUranium wrote...

Repost because no one saw it

Something that seems very important my brother (BansheeOwnage) and I just noticed after I finally played EC for myself yesterday, Vendetta has creepy voices in the background when he's on Cronos, the whole time he talks. More of his own voice. I never noticed it before, and have never seen it mentioned, so I was pretty freaked out.

We turned it up at a dialogue choice pause, because it keeps going there, and it seems to be lines he normally says cut up and messed with. We could both make out "Catalyst" and "Indoctrinated Forces", though nothing else. All the dilogue sounds sped up and there are three of his own voices at once (maybe more); one pitched up, one down, and one normal. For anything else one of you would need to pull out the sound file.

So, on top of the good amount of evidence that Vendetta's either a plant or has been tampered with, this seems to support something's wrong with him, most likely tampering.

Thoughts? Can anyone check Thessia?

Also, how do I make my sig's words different colours, they keep going back to black when I try to save it

yeah the illusive man apparently hacked his programming to remove any security restraints. Which just makes me wonder why the Illusive man would let Shepard ask it questions and get answers in the first place. There are so many things I found odd when playing the game but just seemed to accept it at face value at that time.

[estebanus]

Arian Dynas wrote...

estebanus wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

estebanus wrote...
I think reapers are able to control the yield of their beams...

Ok, who else read that with a dirty mind? Nobody? Aww..

*Slaps you*

I find it amusing that the man is slapping the woman for a dirty joke here.

No dubt that many would call that sexism, even though it isn't when a woman slaps a man.

[Priss Blackburne]

MaximizedAction wrote...

L0NEWOLF25 wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

L0NEWOLF25 wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

L0NEWOLF25 wrote...

I got my new theory up called Mind Games Theory (If the name's taken I'll change the name just post a comment on the blog's comment section.)
Go to paragraph 2 and you should get to some views I don't think most people have come out with just yet that I fell support the Indocterination theory very well.
http://social.biowar...93/blog/215156/

Edit: Sorry I meant Paragraph 3 also I went and fixed a few things that I found wrong with it. 

Can you do two things for us please?

A). Run it through word to get your grammatical errors and spelling out of the way so it's clearer.

. Give us the reader's digest version here?

Yeah I'll go ahead and fix it, sorry that I didn't realize how much of a mess it was before now. I forget that people don't always know what it is that I'm talking about, or that they just can't understand it because of how I write. I'm working on fixing it now, but here is the main thing that I was trying to point out with my theory:

"The Reapers could try and turn Legion's sacrifice against Shepard.The reapers are making Shepard choose destroy which will kill the Geth, the race Legion sacrificed himself for, or Shepard can choose Control/Synthesis and make sure the Geth can live at peace with the rest of the Galaxy. The reapers are basically turning Shepard’s beliefs and the sacrifices of his friends against him and trying to persuade him that control and synthesis are the right options. This is one of the many ways the reapers have turned things against shepard. Destory being red and control being blue are good  examples of this happening before.

 

So the idea being that the reason the Destroy tube kills the Geth, is because the Reapers are trying to make it to where Shepard is unwilling to render Legion's sacrifice meaningless?

What are your thoughts about playthroughs where Shepard did not care about EDI or let the Geth die?

If Shepard lets the Geth die back on Rannoch it's one less thing the Reapers can use against shepard for the obvious reason of the Geth not being around anymore/ Shepard not caring for them. The same goes for EDI if you didn't care about her.

What I'm trying to get at is the Reapers are going to try everything they can to Indoctrinate shepard and the more the Reapers have at their disposel the better the chance of them Indoctrinating shepard.

Someone over at liggy's thread pointed out, that at low EMS your current squad gets shot down. Even though, we see them after Normandy's crash landing, their death still demoralizes Shep.
So how could one interpret the low EMS case with respect to Shepard's morale?

Low EMS you have brought a lot less resources to the fight. Everyone has a grim assesment of the situation. Many people don't make it. The reapers are making short work of your assembled fleet. The reapers are not worried in the least that you have any chance of defeating them. Shepards Morale would also be affecting since deep down shepard would know there is almost no hope.

[UltimateTobi]

Andromidius wrote...

UltimateTobi wrote...

We know of the sound, which sounds like a defibrilator.

You know, I'm not so sure about that now.  We know what a defibrilator sounds like in-game, since its part of Multiplayer when you revive a teammate.  Why would it be any different for Shepard?

But I have no idea what else could be making the sound...

Well, where Shep wakes up it sounds more like a real defib. I don't think the defib. sound from MP would match into that scene. The MP sound lasts too long. The (seemingly) real sound fits better.

[Dwailing]

I just saw a tweet from Jessica that they have amazing things planned. I can't wait for Comic-Con, we'll hopefully have something to look forward to after that.

[Priss Blackburne]

The higher the EMS the more forces you have assembled. The fleet is pushing back at the reapers, giving as good as they are getting. The higher the EMS the more it looks like you could win the battle with the reapers.

With the Lower EMS ( less likely chance of victory ) killing Shepards allies would further cement the idea that victory is not possible, all hope is lost.

With the Higher EMS ( more likely chance of Vistory ) Killing Shepards allies would just further push Shepard forward to Destroy the Reapers as there is a chance of victory in this one.

(( out for a bit really need to clean this house ))

Modifié par Priss Blackburne, 09 juillet 2012 - 07:00 .

[HellishFiend]

BleedingUranium wrote...

Repost because no one saw it

Something that seems very important my brother (BansheeOwnage) and I just noticed after I finally played EC for myself yesterday, Vendetta has creepy voices in the background when he's on Cronos, the whole time he talks. More of his own voice. I never noticed it before, and have never seen it mentioned, so I was pretty freaked out.

We turned it up at a dialogue choice pause, because it keeps going there, and it seems to be lines he normally says cut up and messed with. We could both make out "Catalyst" and "Indoctrinated Forces", though nothing else. All the dilogue sounds sped up and there are three of his own voices at once (maybe more); one pitched up, one down, and one normal. For anything else one of you would need to pull out the sound file.

So, on top of the good amount of evidence that Vendetta's either a plant or has been tampered with, this seems to support something's wrong with him, most likely tampering.

Thoughts? Can anyone check Thessia?

Also, how do I make my sig's words different colours, they keep going back to black when I try to save it

I had noticed that too. I've been planning on including it on my Cronos oddities video if and when I do it. I'd be highly shocked if we find out there was nothing wrong with Vendetta during that scene. It's more than likely feeding misinformation. 

[BansheeOwnage]

Dwailing wrote...

I just saw a tweet from Jessica that they have amazing things planned. I can't wait for Comic-Con, we'll hopefully have something to look forward to after that.

Well to be fair amazing things could mean anything. Comic-con will reveal their multiplayer DLC, and will probably shed a little light on Leviathan. Interestingly enough though, they aren't being secret about their MP DLC at all, but they are being very secretive about what is in it. Actually makes me think it might be something big like, Collector enemies, Prothean character, or a new game mode.

[masster blaster]

BleedingUranium wrote...

Repost because no one saw it

Something that seems very important my brother (BansheeOwnage) and I just noticed after I finally played EC for myself yesterday, Vendetta has creepy voices in the background when he's on Cronos, the whole time he talks. More of his own voice. I never noticed it before, and have never seen it mentioned, so I was pretty freaked out.

We turned it up at a dialogue choice pause, because it keeps going there, and it seems to be lines he normally says cut up and messed with. We could both make out "Catalyst" and "Indoctrinated Forces", though nothing else. All the dilogue sounds sped up and there are three of his own voices at once (maybe more); one pitched up, one down, and one normal. For anything else one of you would need to pull out the sound file.

So, on top of the good amount of evidence that Vendetta's either a plant or has been tampered with, this seems to support something's wrong with him, most likely tampering.

Thoughts? Can anyone check Thessia?

Also, how do I make my sig's words different colours, they keep going back to black when I try to save it

i am not sure about Thessia, but when I first plauyed the EC, and was at the Part when you find Vendetta at TIM's base. I heard chatter in the back ground of Vendetta's voice, like it was overwriten, but was trying to override Tim's breaches.

[BansheeOwnage]

HellishFiend wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Repost because no one saw it

Something that seems very important my brother (BansheeOwnage) and I just noticed after I finally played EC for myself yesterday, Vendetta has creepy voices in the background when he's on Cronos, the whole time he talks. More of his own voice. I never noticed it before, and have never seen it mentioned, so I was pretty freaked out.

We turned it up at a dialogue choice pause, because it keeps going there, and it seems to be lines he normally says cut up and messed with. We could both make out "Catalyst" and "Indoctrinated Forces", though nothing else. All the dilogue sounds sped up and there are three of his own voices at once (maybe more); one pitched up, one down, and one normal. For anything else one of you would need to pull out the sound file.

So, on top of the good amount of evidence that Vendetta's either a plant or has been tampered with, this seems to support something's wrong with him, most likely tampering.

Thoughts? Can anyone check Thessia?

Also, how do I make my sig's words different colours, they keep going back to black when I try to save it

I had noticed that too. I've been planning on including it on my Cronos oddities video if and when I do it. I'd be highly shocked if we find out there was nothing wrong with Vendetta during that scene. It's more than likely feeding misinformation. 

On that note, I haven't studied literature or anything, but it seems to me like a big do-not-do to have the "Citadel is the catalyst" minor twist then basically one mission later say "lol no this kid is the catalyst". What do you think?

[BansheeOwnage]

masster blaster wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Repost because no one saw it

Something that seems very important my brother (BansheeOwnage) and I just noticed after I finally played EC for myself yesterday, Vendetta has creepy voices in the background when he's on Cronos, the whole time he talks. More of his own voice. I never noticed it before, and have never seen it mentioned, so I was pretty freaked out.

We turned it up at a dialogue choice pause, because it keeps going there, and it seems to be lines he normally says cut up and messed with. We could both make out "Catalyst" and "Indoctrinated Forces", though nothing else. All the dilogue sounds sped up and there are three of his own voices at once (maybe more); one pitched up, one down, and one normal. For anything else one of you would need to pull out the sound file.

So, on top of the good amount of evidence that Vendetta's either a plant or has been tampered with, this seems to support something's wrong with him, most likely tampering.

Thoughts? Can anyone check Thessia?

Also, how do I make my sig's words different colours, they keep going back to black when I try to save it

i am not sure about Thessia, but when I first plauyed the EC, and was at the Part when you find Vendetta at TIM's base. I heard chatter in the back ground of Vendetta's voice, like it was overwriten, but was trying to override Tim's breaches.

Yeah something like that. I mean you should take anything it says with a bucket of salt after being hacked by TIM. Same with starbinger. "My creators wanted me to end conflict between synthetics and organics so I killed them and made them into a reaper."

[masster blaster]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

I just saw a tweet from Jessica that they have amazing things planned. I can't wait for Comic-Con, we'll hopefully have something to look forward to after that.

Well to be fair amazing things could mean anything. Comic-con will reveal their multiplayer DLC, and will probably shed a little light on Leviathan. Interestingly enough though, they aren't being secret about their MP DLC at all, but they are being very secretive about what is in it. Actually makes me think it might be something big like, Collector enemies, Prothean character, or a new game mode.

Or all of the things you just said.

[Dwailing]

masster blaster wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

I just saw a tweet from Jessica that they have amazing things planned. I can't wait for Comic-Con, we'll hopefully have something to look forward to after that.

Well to be fair amazing things could mean anything. Comic-con will reveal their multiplayer DLC, and will probably shed a little light on Leviathan. Interestingly enough though, they aren't being secret about their MP DLC at all, but they are being very secretive about what is in it. Actually makes me think it might be something big like, Collector enemies, Prothean character, or a new game mode.

Or all of the things you just said.

That would be awesome.  Oh, and I wonder if they will be doing something to the effect of what Arian suggested.  You know, tying the multiplayer into the story.  That would be awesome.

[Rifneno]

estebanus wrote...

No dubt that many would call that sexism, even though it isn't when a woman slaps a man.

Sexism? In my hypocritical society where one person is free to physically assault another without fear of reprisal based solely on the contents of their pants? It's more likely than you think!

Dwailing wrote...

I just saw a tweet from Jessica that they have amazing things planned. I can't wait for Comic-Con, we'll hopefully have something to look forward to after that.

*facepalm* Dear God, why would you still listen to that woman's twitter?!

[MaximizedAction]

Dwailing wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

I just saw a tweet from Jessica that they have amazing things planned. I can't wait for Comic-Con, we'll hopefully have something to look forward to after that.

Well to be fair amazing things could mean anything. Comic-con will reveal their multiplayer DLC, and will probably shed a little light on Leviathan. Interestingly enough though, they aren't being secret about their MP DLC at all, but they are being very secretive about what is in it. Actually makes me think it might be something big like, Collector enemies, Prothean character, or a new game mode.

Or all of the things you just said.

That would be awesome.  Oh, and I wonder if they will be doing something to the effect of what Arian suggested.  You know, tying the multiplayer into the story.  That would be awesome.

Yep, so don't forget about a possible Earth MP DLC.

And I'm still wondering whether they're gonna add 'real' Reapers to MP maps. After all, all maps (except Reactor) have a quite detailed background. Enough space to place a big a** Destroyer.

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 09 juillet 2012 - 07:13 .

[HellishFiend]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

I had noticed that too. I've been planning on including it on my Cronos oddities video if and when I do it. I'd be highly shocked if we find out there was nothing wrong with Vendetta during that scene. It's more than likely feeding misinformation. 

On that note, I haven't studied literature or anything, but it seems to me like a big do-not-do to have the "Citadel is the catalyst" minor twist then basically one mission later say "lol no this kid is the catalyst". What do you think?

The entire ending sequence is chock-full of literary no-no's. That particular twist isnt necessarily against the rules, though. Ordinarily it would be a deux-ex-machina, which really a lame way to wrap up a story, but not necessarily a violation. 

The endings themselves however, are thematic disasterpieces, which is a violation.

No respectable or talented author would spend a trilogy's worth of story building up so many well-executed themes only to spit on them at the very end.  It would be like if Romeo and Juliet ended with the two of them getting together and living happily ever after like in a Disney movie. Sure, it's superficially satisfying, but it flies in the face of all the well-constructed themes in the entire story, essentially invalidating them and making them pointless. Essentially it reduces the story to a single theme: "No matter how bad it looks, it will always work out in the end." That's a theme more suited to a story intended for children under the age of 10.

In ME, the literal endings invalidate the existing themes and replace them with these: "All organic life is misguided.", "Antagonistic and destructive behavior is actually the correct behavior if you do it right", and "The hero is able to achieve what everyone else cannot".  Those are all very weak themes. 

Modifié par HellishFiend, 09 juillet 2012 - 07:14 .

[FellishBeast]

Wait, the ending was a dream? Tell me more.

[Rifneno]

MaximizedAction wrote...

Yep, so don't forget about a possible Earth MP DLC.

And I'm still wondering whether they're gonna add 'real' Reapers to MP maps. After all, all maps (except Reactor) have a quite detailed background. Enough space to place a big a** Destroyer.

Reaper Destroyer, where you going to hide in Firebase Reactor?

"IT IS NOT A PLACE YOU CAN COMPREHEND."

[MaximizedAction]

HellishFiend wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

I had noticed that too. I've been planning on including it on my Cronos oddities video if and when I do it. I'd be highly shocked if we find out there was nothing wrong with Vendetta during that scene. It's more than likely feeding misinformation. 

On that note, I haven't studied literature or anything, but it seems to me like a big do-not-do to have the "Citadel is the catalyst" minor twist then basically one mission later say "lol no this kid is the catalyst". What do you think?

The entire ending sequence is chock-full of literary no-no's. That particular twist isnt necessarily against the rules, though. Ordinarily it would be a deux-ex-machina, which really a lame way to wrap up a story, but not necessarily a violation. 

The endings themselves however, are thematic disasterpieces, which is a violation.

No respectable or talented author would spend a trilogy's worth of story building up so many well-executed themes only to spit on them at the very end.  It would be like if Romeo and Juliet ended with the two of them getting together and living happily ever after like in a Disney movie. Sure, it's superficially satisfying, but it flies in the face of all the well-constructed themes in the entire story, essentially invalidating them and making them pointless. Essentially it reduces the story to a single theme: "No matter how bad it looks, it will always work out in the end." That's a theme more suited to a story intended for children under the age of 10.

In ME, the literal endings invalidate the existing themes and replace them with these: "All organic life is misguided.", "Antagonistic and destructive behavior is actually the correct behavior if you do it right", and "The hero is able to achieve what everyone else cannot".  Those are all very weak themes. 

And my personal favorite: You want to choose to decide your own fate? Nope, not in the cards. Here, have an apocalypse, instead.

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 09 juillet 2012 - 07:17 .