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[balance5050]

RavenEyry wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

Actually it does.

How does it? They can't be reused assets if they aren't the same assets.

They are the same assets.

[HellishFiend]

DJBare wrote...

Cakefirsto wrote...

Having finished the game only once and felt terrible after it I have been lurking around here a lot. Eagerly awaiting the DLC, hoping it will do some good.. I 100% support this theory until something better turn up

On a second note this video I just watched at random just now, and look at top comment. Made me giggle lol.

Who in the hell found time to put together a 50 hour video and upload it, what a waste of server space.

oops, off topic

On topic, I've a gut feeling Bioware is going to even surprise those of us who think we have IT figured.

I'm pretty sure that youtube uses a brilliant encoder that makes videos like that only take up a few megs on server-side. As it's decoded and sent out to the viewer, it does take up a lot of bandwidth, but on the server it would capitalize on the repetition to make it very compact. 

On topic:

It will be quite interesting to see what happens to pop-culture if/once IT is revealed. Right now pop-culture is all about hating on the endings, but what about if it turns out to be the biggest 4th-wall breaking twist ending in videogaming/storytelling history? What will pop culture say then?

Modifié par HellishFiend, 14 mai 2012 - 10:17 .

[paxxton]

paxxton wrote...

estebanus wrote...

I... I don't understand... Why was it locked down?

Because of your chit-chat with Mr. IT.

OK, I just wanted to say that I may have been unfair. I actually posted a few off-topic posts in the previous IT thread so I'm partially to blame for its lockdown. I shouldn't have blamed others.

Modifié par paxxton, 14 mai 2012 - 10:24 .

[balance5050]

DJBare wrote...

Cakefirsto wrote...

Having finished the game only once and felt terrible after it I have been lurking around here a lot. Eagerly awaiting the DLC, hoping it will do some good.. I 100% support this theory until something better turn up

On a second note this video I just watched at random just now, and look at top comment. Made me giggle lol.

Who in the hell found time to put together a 50 hour video and upload it, what a waste of server space.

oops, off topic

On topic, I've a gut feeling Bioware is going to even surprise those of us who think we have IT figured.

I hope so, it would be rather anti-climactic if it's EXACTLY how we think it will be. I would be proud but I would be like "we figured it out in two weeks and it took you 4 months to put it out? Well ok."

[DJBare]

HellishFiend wrote...

DJBare wrote...

Since TIM told the reapers about it, it would be the first thing they'd go after if it presented any real danger to them, which is why I am more convinced than ever that it's a bloody massive indoctrination device amplifying the affects of the human reaper heart, which of course means huge problems for Shep if s/he wakes up, who the hell does s/he trust.

A massive indoctrination device does seem to make the most sense to me. I mentioned a week or two ago that I thought the crucible was a reaper contingency in case a cycle became particularly problematic. 

What is the best possible contingency plan for the reapers? I cant think of one better than tricking them into wasting resources in an endeavor that only winds up getting them all indoctrinated....

Oh, we can go one step further with this, we are told by the prothean VI that no other race completed the crucible, but lets remember that was near the end of the cycle with practically everyone indoctrinated, think of it this way, the protheans and each cycle completes the crucible, it does it's job, then the reapers dismantle the device and the indoctrinated leave messages that the crucible was never completed in their cycle, and remember, Javik only heard rumours of the crucible.

Modifié par DJBare, 14 mai 2012 - 10:19 .

[RavenEyry]

balance5050 wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

Actually it does.

How does it? They can't be reused assets if they aren't the same assets.

They are the same assets.

I must have missed the pretty green leaves in all the dream sequences. Closest I saw was dead trees.

[HellishFiend]

DJBare wrote...

Oh, we can go one step further with this, we are told by the prothean VI that no other race completed the crucible, but lets remember that was near the end of the cycle with practically everyone indoctrinated, think of it this way, the protheans and each cycle completes the crucible, it does it's job, then the reapers dismantle the device and the indoctrinated leave messages that the crucible was never completed in their cycle, and remember, Javik only heard rumours of the crucible.

Quite possible also. I'm also a fan of the idea that what the VI tells you at TIM's base was planted there to misdirect Shepard. He was hacked to lower his security protocols after all. Is it a stretch to think maybe they planted some info there?

[DJBare]

RavenEyry wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

Actually it does.

How does it? They can't be reused assets if they aren't the same assets.

They are the same assets.

I must have missed the pretty green leaves in all the dream sequences. Closest I saw was dead trees.

They are on the ground, but hardly recognized because the imagespace for the dream scenes changes the overall color.

[SS2Dante]

RavenEyry wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

Actually it does.

How does it? They can't be reused assets if they aren't the same assets.

Sorry, I was unclear. What I meant was, the dream foliage mentioned DOES appear in the dreams, or at least is included in the dream files. Possibly it was darkened, hence not recognising it.

[balance5050]

RavenEyry wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

Actually it does.

How does it? They can't be reused assets if they aren't the same assets.

They are the same assets.

I must have missed the pretty green leaves in all the dream sequences. Closest I saw was dead trees.

The color is all messed up in the dreams, but the leaves make up the ground cover and bushes.

[prettz]

Parabolee77 wrote...

 I have moved my Indoctrination guide to it's own dedicated site with a more logical name. Had no idea it was going to be so large or so popular when I started it.

Now I can add even more detailed analysis and new sections.

It's still very early and I will be adding and improving a lot tomorrow and over the following days, but here it is for now -

http://masseffectind...n.blogspot.com/

Thanks everyone

cool, you used some of my screenshots.

I'm going to see if I can get some high quality ones for the changing gun

[TSA_383]

RavenEyry wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

Actually it does.

How does it? They can't be reused assets if they aren't the same assets.

They are the same assets.

I must have missed the pretty green leaves in all the dream sequences. Closest I saw was dead trees.

Places you see those plants:

-The very first time you see the child (the plants on the rooftop garden).
-Every time the child stops in the dream scenes he's surrounded by them.
-Grissom Academy for some apparently unrelated reason
-After the Harbinger laser
-On the planet at the end

There may be more but I've not seen them yet...

[SS2Dante]

TSA_383 wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

Actually it does.

How does it? They can't be reused assets if they aren't the same assets.

They are the same assets.

I must have missed the pretty green leaves in all the dream sequences. Closest I saw was dead trees.

Places you see those plants:

-The very first time you see the child (the plants on the rooftop garden).
-Every time the child stops in the dream scenes he's surrounded by them.
-Grissom Academy for some apparently unrelated reason
-After the Harbinger laser
-On the planet at the end

There may be more but I've not seen them yet...

How about ringing the room with the vent at the start

[RavenEyry]

The ones in the dreams really don't look like the ending foliage to me, but I could be wrong.

[Uncle Jo]

HellishFiend wrote...


The second line in my post was from face-value perspective. In other words, if we are to believe the Crucible is really an anti-reaper weapon, they would have destroyed it. 

Sorry I misunderstood your post. My bad.
While I fully agree with you that the Crucible was a Reaper trap and a possible signal amplifier for a massive indoctrination (although Tirian Thorn, with whom I had a discussion about this, told me that a mass indoctrination could be a problem. Here his thought:  "It seems to me that those that are indoctrinated are useless for harvesting though - so I don't think they want mass indoctrination  Otherwise, why not just indoctrinate everyone? " ), this lead to this question: If the Crucible's purpose is not to shut down the Reapers, how are we going to win?

[balance5050]

Uncle Jo wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...


The second line in my post was from face-value perspective. In other words, if we are to believe the Crucible is really an anti-reaper weapon, they would have destroyed it. 

Sorry I misunderstood your post. My bad.
While I fully agree with you that the Crucible was a Reaper trap and a possible signal amplifier for a massive indoctrination (although Tirian Thorn, with whom I had a discussion about this, told me that a mass indoctrination could be a problem. Here his thought:  "It seems to me that those that are indoctrinated are useless for harvesting though - so I don't think they want mass indoctrination  Otherwise, why not just indoctrinate everyone? " ), this lead to this question: If the Crucible's purpose is not to shut down the Reapers, how are we going to win?

Conventional means?

*runs away

[HellishFiend]

I'm really not sure why/how being indoctrinated would preclude being gooified and used to fuel a reaper....

[MegumiAzusa]

HellishFiend wrote...

Also I've noticed a few people adding the Carnifex -> Predator conversion to the list of "Design Oversights".

I'd just like to say that I dont think there are any design oversights in the entire ending sequence. They said before the game was released that the end sequence was going to be "choreographed down to the second".

I think that every single thing in the end sequence is exactly how they want it (except for the "wrapping shadow" on the elevator, because it's an unavoidable glitch endemic to the game engine).

"You're doing exactly what the Reapers want!"

Modifié par MegumiAzusa, 14 mai 2012 - 10:38 .

[DJBare]

Uncle Jo wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...


The second line in my post was from face-value perspective. In other words, if we are to believe the Crucible is really an anti-reaper weapon, they would have destroyed it. 

Sorry I misunderstood your post. My bad.
While I fully agree with you that the Crucible was a Reaper trap and a possible signal amplifier for a massive indoctrination (although Tirian Thorn, with whom I had a discussion about this, told me that a mass indoctrination could be a problem. Here his thought:  "It seems to me that those that are indoctrinated are useless for harvesting though - so I don't think they want mass indoctrination  Otherwise, why not just indoctrinate everyone? " ), this lead to this question: If the Crucible's purpose is not to shut down the Reapers, how are we going to win?

True, if the victims are taken to extreme like husks, but the only thing the reapers require is for the indoctrinated to trust them, nothing more than that, they then just walk up to the reaper patrols and hand themselves over.

[paxxton]

HellishFiend wrote...

I'm really not sure why/how being indoctrinated would preclude being gooified and used to fuel a reaper....

Because indoctrinated folks decay and their genetic material is inadequate.

[MegumiAzusa]

Sodapop VII wrote...

New Indoc theory proof.... as harbinger flies up into the air, when you immediately see the pistol on the ground - press right trigger! That pistol is definitely just my mind firing the bullets!

Does only work if you reload, if you play from the run it wont.

[Uncle Jo]

balance5050 wrote...

Uncle Jo wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...


The second line in my post was from face-value perspective. In other words, if we are to believe the Crucible is really an anti-reaper weapon, they would have destroyed it. 

Sorry I misunderstood your post. My bad.
While I fully agree with you that the Crucible was a Reaper trap and a possible signal amplifier for a massive indoctrination (although Tirian Thorn, with whom I had a discussion about this, told me that a mass indoctrination could be a problem. Here his thought:  "It seems to me that those that are indoctrinated are useless for harvesting though - so I don't think they want mass indoctrination  Otherwise, why not just indoctrinate everyone? " ), this lead to this question: If the Crucible's purpose is not to shut down the Reapers, how are we going to win?

Conventional means?

*runs away

That was a good one . Someone in a another thread (can't remember which one) did calculate pretty accurately the number of the Reapers in the Galaxy, which was estimated to several thousands, If I can recall it good. When I remember that it took the complete quarian Flotte to destroy a single destroyer (laser-targeted by Shep), I doubt we have a sufficent fire power to take on them conventionally...

Modifié par Uncle Jo, 14 mai 2012 - 10:45 .

[HellishFiend]

paxxton wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

I'm really not sure why/how being indoctrinated would preclude being gooified and used to fuel a reaper....

Because indoctrinated folks decay and their genetic material is inadequate.

Depends on the type of indoctrination. The mild kind of indoctrination that doesnt tamper with one's biochemistry shouldnt preclude gooification. But who knows.

Also, does your switch in icons imply that you think Vega should become a husk?

[Uncle Jo]

DJBare wrote...


True, if the victims are taken to extreme like husks, but the only thing the reapers require is for the indoctrinated to trust them, nothing more than that, they then just walk up to the reaper patrols and hand themselves over.

A sort of first stage of Indoctrination. Not efficient with the strong minded ones but still enough for the rest. Thanks for the very useful info.

[Rifneno]

DJBare wrote...

Definitely, it's because we discovered them that we did not put in the effort to find our own way of interstella travel, another reason my headcanon says they should go is because they are more than a transit device, I also think they are communication bouyies for the Reapers.

Not that effort shouldn't be put into technological research, but as mass relays are the only way to get between some places in less than a century, I think they should probably stick around for a while.

MaximizedAction wrote...

Just like in literature discussions. Only, if you walk into a literature club and claim an argument like c), you'll probably be ignored for the rest of the session.

Same goes for art-house movie discussions.
For a serious discussion one just has to trust the 'author'.

Eh. Yes and no. In general that's true, but there's been a lot of cases of authors... not being entirely truthful with their intentions. For instance, remember the debate among fans whether HAL in 2001: A Space Odyssey was a metaphor for IBM? The writer, Stanley Kubrick, said it is 100% not true. "Utter nonsense." Few decades later, the high def version is released. Suddenly we can see new details. Like a scene where someone says they "can't quite put their finger" on what's wrong with HAL. And their finger is sitting right next to a tiny IBM logo that's there for no reason whatsoever. The only other time the IBM logo appears is when someone is trying to reason with HAL. As he says the words "Can you read me?" the letters IBM flash across his face. Did I mention Kubrick was known for putting retarded amounts of effort into detail and subtle crap? Yeah, call me crazy but I'm thinking he wasn't being entirely truthful with us.

The Invisible Commando wrote...

If they went with IT, it would be fan appeasement.

*eyeroll* This is the point where I stopped reading his posts. Whenever anyone gets to the "if they go with IT, it'll be fan appeasement" trash, you can be pretty sure they aren't worth the time to bother with. They've accepted that their opinion is fact and there is no debating with them. You might as well talk to the wall. At least the wall won't be irritating as hell.

RavenEyry wrote...

I must have missed the pretty green leaves in all the dream sequences. Closest I saw was dead trees.

Technical dohickie (Dear dictionary, I am so sorry for typing that). It's called a shader. Pretty much what you'd imagine from the name, it changes the overall way color is displayed. For instance if they want to give a black and white version of an area, they don't need to remake the entire area. Rather they just use a shader that makes the standard one appear as black and white. All the stuff in the dream is in full color, you're just seeing it through a shader. Try checking out the very first dream, the shader becomes more powerful in every dream. It's pretty mild if it's even in the first dream. You can definitely see some greenery.