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@rifneno

When I did that it was the equivalent of a mass effect renegade playthrough for me. I just wanted to see the differences in the game. It still doesn't make having to kill her any better. =)

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gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

@Big Bad

If you're still up and reading this and no one mentioned it yet, ALL you have to do in order to have all loyal squadmates in ME2 is complete every loyalty mission Before the IFF mission. That mission never goes away, you can literally explore 100% of the galaxy + DLC missions and the IFF mission will be sitting there. Doing the IFF mission also unlocked Legion + his loyalty mission, so right after that you'll get the Collector ambush, and be clear to to launch the suicide mission with all loyalty shields ready.

Also, probably know this, upgrade the Normandy completely (thanix cannon, sheilds, heavy armor, maybe even the thurster and probes whynot). The only thing you don't need to upgrade is hte MedBay scar treatment. If you Don't upgrade you could lose a squadmate for each thing you don't have.

For the assignments: Tali or Legion or Kasumi for tech expert, Miranda for secondary team leader and Fire Team leader. Samara or Jack for the seeker swarm biotic shield. Send Mordin to escort the surviving crewmates back, he's died while "holding the line" 2 out of 10 times for me even with a loyalty shield so sending him back potentially saves him. If everyone is loyal, everyone should survive "hold the line" and the human-reaper encounter.

I would recommend Samara for the biotic shield. That thing she does at the end is just ..... totally kick ass. imho.

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Rifneno wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Why does no one like Mordin? He's quite good when facing the proto reaper.


It's not that no one likes him. It's that he's the most likely to die if left to hold the line. Jack is second I believe, followed by... Tali? Not sure. I've only heard of anyone except Mordin dying at hold the line once or twice.

As I said "when facing the proto reaper" meaning he's coming along. Mordin has the lowest score for holding the line, but he don't have to die if you have a higher score then the threshold for that.
There is a list in the wiki of the order they die in.

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MegumiAzusa wrote...

You might have to kill Leliana in DAO even if she's a LI.


I don't think that compares well. Liara being indoctrinated is something presumably outside out control and would take us by surprise. If someone didn't realize that Leliana wouldn't take kindly when they made the conscious decision to pissing in Andraste's urn, they may wish to get a CAT Scan.

No, really? Might have to kill Leliana? As in, there's no alternative other than defiling the Earthly remains of her deity? How about not defiling it? Seems a viable option to me.

Try "might have to kill Leliana" next time please.

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Big G13 wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

@Big Bad

If you're still up and reading this and no one mentioned it yet, ALL you have to do in order to have all loyal squadmates in ME2 is complete every loyalty mission Before the IFF mission. That mission never goes away, you can literally explore 100% of the galaxy + DLC missions and the IFF mission will be sitting there. Doing the IFF mission also unlocked Legion + his loyalty mission, so right after that you'll get the Collector ambush, and be clear to to launch the suicide mission with all loyalty shields ready.

Also, probably know this, upgrade the Normandy completely (thanix cannon, sheilds, heavy armor, maybe even the thurster and probes whynot). The only thing you don't need to upgrade is hte MedBay scar treatment. If you Don't upgrade you could lose a squadmate for each thing you don't have.

For the assignments: Tali or Legion or Kasumi for tech expert, Miranda for secondary team leader and Fire Team leader. Samara or Jack for the seeker swarm biotic shield. Send Mordin to escort the surviving crewmates back, he's died while "holding the line" 2 out of 10 times for me even with a loyalty shield so sending him back potentially saves him. If everyone is loyal, everyone should survive "hold the line" and the human-reaper encounter.

I would recommend Samara for the biotic shield. That thing she does at the end is just ..... totally kick ass. imho.

Jack does that too. Choosing Jack or Samara is really just a matter of whose voice do you like more.

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MegumiAzusa wrote...

Big G13 wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

@Big Bad

If you're still up and reading this and no one mentioned it yet, ALL you have to do in order to have all loyal squadmates in ME2 is complete every loyalty mission Before the IFF mission. That mission never goes away, you can literally explore 100% of the galaxy + DLC missions and the IFF mission will be sitting there. Doing the IFF mission also unlocked Legion + his loyalty mission, so right after that you'll get the Collector ambush, and be clear to to launch the suicide mission with all loyalty shields ready.

Also, probably know this, upgrade the Normandy completely (thanix cannon, sheilds, heavy armor, maybe even the thurster and probes whynot). The only thing you don't need to upgrade is hte MedBay scar treatment. If you Don't upgrade you could lose a squadmate for each thing you don't have.

For the assignments: Tali or Legion or Kasumi for tech expert, Miranda for secondary team leader and Fire Team leader. Samara or Jack for the seeker swarm biotic shield. Send Mordin to escort the surviving crewmates back, he's died while "holding the line" 2 out of 10 times for me even with a loyalty shield so sending him back potentially saves him. If everyone is loyal, everyone should survive "hold the line" and the human-reaper encounter.

I would recommend Samara for the biotic shield. That thing she does at the end is just ..... totally kick ass. imho.

Jack does that too. Choosing Jack or Samara is really just a matter of whose voice do you like more.


Jack! A thousandfold! :D

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MegumiAzusa wrote...

Big G13 wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

@Big Bad

If you're still up and reading this and no one mentioned it yet, ALL you have to do in order to have all loyal squadmates in ME2 is complete every loyalty mission Before the IFF mission. That mission never goes away, you can literally explore 100% of the galaxy + DLC missions and the IFF mission will be sitting there. Doing the IFF mission also unlocked Legion + his loyalty mission, so right after that you'll get the Collector ambush, and be clear to to launch the suicide mission with all loyalty shields ready.

Also, probably know this, upgrade the Normandy completely (thanix cannon, sheilds, heavy armor, maybe even the thurster and probes whynot). The only thing you don't need to upgrade is hte MedBay scar treatment. If you Don't upgrade you could lose a squadmate for each thing you don't have.

For the assignments: Tali or Legion or Kasumi for tech expert, Miranda for secondary team leader and Fire Team leader. Samara or Jack for the seeker swarm biotic shield. Send Mordin to escort the surviving crewmates back, he's died while "holding the line" 2 out of 10 times for me even with a loyalty shield so sending him back potentially saves him. If everyone is loyal, everyone should survive "hold the line" and the human-reaper encounter.

I would recommend Samara for the biotic shield. That thing she does at the end is just ..... totally kick ass. imho.

Jack does that too. Choosing Jack or Samara is really just a matter of whose voice do you like more.

REALLY, I'll have to try it again with Jack. The first time I went through with Jack she barely made it through. Maybe my score was to low or something my first time through. I just assumed it was because Samara was more experienced, an Asari, and a Justicar.

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Big G13 wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Big G13 wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

@Big Bad

If you're still up and reading this and no one mentioned it yet, ALL you have to do in order to have all loyal squadmates in ME2 is complete every loyalty mission Before the IFF mission. That mission never goes away, you can literally explore 100% of the galaxy + DLC missions and the IFF mission will be sitting there. Doing the IFF mission also unlocked Legion + his loyalty mission, so right after that you'll get the Collector ambush, and be clear to to launch the suicide mission with all loyalty shields ready.

Also, probably know this, upgrade the Normandy completely (thanix cannon, sheilds, heavy armor, maybe even the thurster and probes whynot). The only thing you don't need to upgrade is hte MedBay scar treatment. If you Don't upgrade you could lose a squadmate for each thing you don't have.

For the assignments: Tali or Legion or Kasumi for tech expert, Miranda for secondary team leader and Fire Team leader. Samara or Jack for the seeker swarm biotic shield. Send Mordin to escort the surviving crewmates back, he's died while "holding the line" 2 out of 10 times for me even with a loyalty shield so sending him back potentially saves him. If everyone is loyal, everyone should survive "hold the line" and the human-reaper encounter.

I would recommend Samara for the biotic shield. That thing she does at the end is just ..... totally kick ass. imho.

Jack does that too. Choosing Jack or Samara is really just a matter of whose voice do you like more.

REALLY, I'll have to try it again with Jack. The first time I went through with Jack she barely made it through. Maybe my score was to low or something my first time through. I just assumed it was because Samara was more experienced, an Asari, and a Justicar.

Samara is nearly at her and herself: http://www.youtube.c...8qdEbZWaI#t=17s

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Anywho, message I sent a literalist sort of friend, that I figured should get read, to just bring a few things to the attention of the IT community;

Arian Dynas said...
I am going to make one thing clear.

There are stupid, immature people on both sides, neither Literal or IDT has a monopoly on either. There are pleasant, reasonable people among your crowd, such as GBGriffin and others, and there are reasonable people among my crowd.

There are also jackasses in both. I try to judge each individual based on how they act, not what they believe, and it is patently unfair to judge an entire bunch of people whom only act defensive around you, when believe you me, if you see some of the ways people act toward us, we have every reason to be defensive, note I didn't say every right, merely that we have a reason, I have seen some jagoffs on the Literalist side suggest we all commit mass suicide ala Waco Texas.

So understand me when I say don't judge an entire bunch of people based off the fact that some get frustrated and lash out. Because in every case that I have seen it, everywhere an IDTer has been accused of acting like a distinctly arrogant ****** or resorting to insults is either
A). A result of extreme frustration with a GREAT deal of legitimate trolls, which I myself won't deny I have done myself,
B). Frustration at trying to have our arguments be heard, only to be shut down and merely dismissed as loonies, and
C). Some arrogant jagoff whom has his own problems, and should be enough to dismiss him, but not everyone else. Excuse a few of us please, a few of your lot have done even worse.


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Yeah I know...I'm just getting really cranky and fed up with everything and quite a lot of people around here, lol.

Unfortunetly I've only met two reasonable IT-ers, you being one of them so I haven't been really exposed to the more calm side of it. Heck, the next time I tried to raise an issue I had with IT, such as Harbinger's beam which is apparently considered an Indocrination device, I just got directed to a link about IT, and told to 'come back later when I knew more.' :|

So yeah, I'm getting a annoyed with the attitude when I go to the IT thread or other places that support it and get treated like I'm stupid and haven't read anything about it. Hence the fairly grouchy way I'm responding to it lol.

I'll probably give it a go in a few days or even a week. As it is, I would probably just get in a flame snark-fest with a IT fan if I go near that thread at the moment.


Arian Dynas said...
That's laziness, and to be honest, I'll admit, I have been lazy too before. Don't take it TOO personally.

But, to answer the question, we don't consider Harbinger's beam an "indoctrination device" in as much as Shepard is already in the process of being indoctrinated, which his subconcious willpower (personified by Anderson in the Anderson VS Tim scene) is still resisting, but the fact is, as Joker and Anderson and even Javik point out, Shepard is under a LOT of stress, which is slowly chipping away at his willpower, breaking down his morale and driving him into a depression that the Reapers intend to utilize to make the process easier. In other words, when Harbinger injures Shepard, he is basically at rock bottom, the psychosomatic effects of being injured, and the stresses involved have put his willpower at an all time low, making him susceptible to an attempt, hence why he starts hallucinating.

Basically, they are trying to make Shepard give up. And in this case, seeing Hammer get gunned down, being severely wounded and all but killed himself, as well as watching his squadmates either go down like sacks of potatoes or abandon him entirely, he could not be more emotionally vulnerable. Basically, Shepard has never been as badly injured as he is when Harbinger blasts him, the only exception being his death, so he's basically lost all hope. That's their goal, break his morale, make him lose all hope, make him lose his will to live, his will to fight, just make him want to fall down and give up. Not to even mention the fact that Shepard is in pretty much just a mental fog of pain, natural painkillers and blood-loss, making him especially susceptible, since he is not entirely aware at the time.

And the fact is, with the vast majority of ITers, some come off crispy because they're frustrated at not being listened to (believe me, alot of people just dismiss our arguments entirely out of hand, and it is VERY frustrating. As a former debate team champ for my highschool, it is VERY frustrating when your opponent can basically just go. "You're wrong, because I say so." and not have repercussions.) Plenty are being, to be bluntly honest, a bit lazy, the only reason I really am bothering to explain some of these things to you personally is because you actually bother to listen, unlike most literalists, so I know my words are not falling on deaf ears, so I know I am not wasting my time, and I just simply like to teach.

That and I will be honest, I can't guarantee that there aren't a few jagoffs who barely understand the idea and basically spend their time going around to other threads to crow about how they understand things so much better than everyone else.

These people are idiots, and I, as well as my compatriots do NOT support them. We only want to teach, to give reasonable debate and to gather evidence, the only reason we really feel any petiness at all is beacuse we have people like the *groan* oh so redoubtable waldstr18 who come in to our threads to basically go "Neh neh neh! Ur all dumb and teh sux, and I am soooo gunna rub it in ur faces when you get proven wrong, because you're stupid and Bioware is stupid! Neh!" and I won't deny fantasizing for a brief moment of getting my "I-told-you-so's" in, which alot of others do feel, but we aren't trying to go around and basically tell everyone who disagrees with us they're dumb (though we do encounter a depressingly large number of people who ARE.) we WANT you to join us and be happy about the whole thing, because for alot of us, the IT has given us back the enjoyment of the games, hell sometimes speculating in the IT thread is actually as much fun as PLAYING the games, and we want to share that, but failing that, we want you guys to try and disprove us through reasonable counter argument, we do like debate, though some of the people with thinner skin feel that any disagreement is hurting the IT and the thread, and I do apologize on behalf of them.

So yeah. Sorry for the rant, but there you go. Oh and by the way, if you want to get a greater understanding of IT, go here; http://parabolee.blogspot.com/ Excellent blog by Parabolee, nice bulletpoints of the whole IT as it currently stands, pictures, videos (even the rather excellent one by Avacayos) all there for you to enjoy and study.



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Also, does anyone know if injury suppresses the limbic system?

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Arian Dynas wrote...

Also, does anyone know if injury suppresses the limbic system?

Idk but pain creates adrenaline and adrenaline is used by nanides to ftl through a body. (the reason TIM wanted no anesthetic)

Modifié par MegumiAzusa, 22 mai 2012 - 11:11 .


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WinterCrow wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Big G13 wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

@Big Bad

If you're still up and reading this and no one mentioned it yet, ALL you have to do in order to have all loyal squadmates in ME2 is complete every loyalty mission Before the IFF mission. That mission never goes away, you can literally explore 100% of the galaxy + DLC missions and the IFF mission will be sitting there. Doing the IFF mission also unlocked Legion + his loyalty mission, so right after that you'll get the Collector ambush, and be clear to to launch the suicide mission with all loyalty shields ready.

Also, probably know this, upgrade the Normandy completely (thanix cannon, sheilds, heavy armor, maybe even the thurster and probes whynot). The only thing you don't need to upgrade is hte MedBay scar treatment. If you Don't upgrade you could lose a squadmate for each thing you don't have.

For the assignments: Tali or Legion or Kasumi for tech expert, Miranda for secondary team leader and Fire Team leader. Samara or Jack for the seeker swarm biotic shield. Send Mordin to escort the surviving crewmates back, he's died while "holding the line" 2 out of 10 times for me even with a loyalty shield so sending him back potentially saves him. If everyone is loyal, everyone should survive "hold the line" and the human-reaper encounter.

I would recommend Samara for the biotic shield. That thing she does at the end is just ..... totally kick ass. imho.

Jack does that too. Choosing Jack or Samara is really just a matter of whose voice do you like more.


Jack! A thousandfold! :D




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MegumiAzusa wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Also, does anyone know if injury suppresses the limbic system?

Idk but pain creates adrenaline and adrenaline is used by nanides to ftl through a body.


And adrenaline DOES supress higher brain functions, shifting from the forebrain to the primitive survival, lizard brain.

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Lex0r!

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Xavendithas wrote...

@rifneno

When I did that it was the equivalent of a mass effect renegade playthrough for me. I just wanted to see the differences in the game. It still doesn't make having to kill her any better. =)


Yes, it does. It would be incredibly retarded if she put up with that. If you want a game where you can commit whatever horrors you like without consequence, there's games like Grand Theft Auto. Dragon Age holds your hand way too much a sit is. Case in point: you can prevent having to kill her at the Urn of Sacred Ashes. Do her personal quest with Marjolaine first and tell her in camp afterwards to basically embrace her dark side with the joyful murdering and all. Then at the Urn intimidate her by telling her to remember who she's talking to. She'll call you a monster but won't fight you because she knows she'd be signing her own death certificate (little does she know it'd just get retconned anyway).

Big G13 wrote...

REALLY, I'll have to try it again with Jack. The first time I went through with Jack she barely made it through. Maybe my score was to low or something my first time through. I just assumed it was because Samara was more experienced, an Asari, and a Justicar.


Sadly there really is no difference. Both of them weaken at the end, but if you've got their loyalty they'll suck it up and not only make it but blast the biotic wall back as a weapon. If you don't have their loyalty, they fail and one of the squad gets carried away by the seeker swarms. ... I should say three actually, because if you have Morinth (Dear God, why!?) then she's exactly the same too. Copy and paste for the win.

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Arian Dynas wrote...

Literalist Friend said...

As it is, I would probably just get in a flame snark-fest with a IT fan if I go near that thread at the moment.


I was wondering what that burning sensation in my ears was.

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Rifneno wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Literalist Friend said...

As it is, I would probably just get in a flame snark-fest with a IT fan if I go near that thread at the moment.


I was wondering what that burning sensation in my ears was.


Too much cheap shampoo?

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MegumiAzusa wrote...

Big G13 wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Big G13 wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

@Big Bad

If you're still up and reading this and no one mentioned it yet, ALL you have to do in order to have all loyal squadmates in ME2 is complete every loyalty mission Before the IFF mission. That mission never goes away, you can literally explore 100% of the galaxy + DLC missions and the IFF mission will be sitting there. Doing the IFF mission also unlocked Legion + his loyalty mission, so right after that you'll get the Collector ambush, and be clear to to launch the suicide mission with all loyalty shields ready.

Also, probably know this, upgrade the Normandy completely (thanix cannon, sheilds, heavy armor, maybe even the thurster and probes whynot). The only thing you don't need to upgrade is hte MedBay scar treatment. If you Don't upgrade you could lose a squadmate for each thing you don't have.

For the assignments: Tali or Legion or Kasumi for tech expert, Miranda for secondary team leader and Fire Team leader. Samara or Jack for the seeker swarm biotic shield. Send Mordin to escort the surviving crewmates back, he's died while "holding the line" 2 out of 10 times for me even with a loyalty shield so sending him back potentially saves him. If everyone is loyal, everyone should survive "hold the line" and the human-reaper encounter.

I would recommend Samara for the biotic shield. That thing she does at the end is just ..... totally kick ass. imho.

Jack does that too. Choosing Jack or Samara is really just a matter of whose voice do you like more.

REALLY, I'll have to try it again with Jack. The first time I went through with Jack she barely made it through. Maybe my score was to low or something my first time through. I just assumed it was because Samara was more experienced, an Asari, and a Justicar.

Samara is nearly at her and herself: http://www.youtube.c...8qdEbZWaI#t=17s

Ended up watching the whole thing. Very good. Is it just me or were the speeches in 2 just the best.

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YEE HAAAA!! Lex0r11 is back.

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gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

Naseilen wrote...


Icinix wrote...

What we really need, is to get some definite confirmation of whatever that bloody shiny torpedo looking thing is int he background.


I am not very happy of thought, that this thing reminds me the metal part of "Destroy Tube" :crying:


I've tried to compare the two and I don't see the similarities. The spherical/plate like objects appear to be Reaper tech and colored accordingly while the tube isn't colored the same nor does it have sphere-like qualities. They also appear to come in threes.

Just to be sure, you're talking about this right?

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Reaper tech, indeed.
In particular, for comparison:

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gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

@Big Bad

If you're still up and reading this and no one mentioned it yet, ALL you have to do in order to have all loyal squadmates in ME2 is complete every loyalty mission Before the IFF mission. That mission never goes away, you can literally explore 100% of the galaxy + DLC missions and the IFF mission will be sitting there. Doing the IFF mission also unlocked Legion + his loyalty mission, so right after that you'll get the Collector ambush, and be clear to to launch the suicide mission with all loyalty shields ready.

Also, probably know this, upgrade the Normandy completely (thanix cannon, sheilds, heavy armor, maybe even the thurster and probes whynot). The only thing you don't need to upgrade is hte MedBay scar treatment. If you Don't upgrade you could lose a squadmate for each thing you don't have.

For the assignments: Tali or Legion or Kasumi for tech expert, Miranda for secondary team leader and Fire Team leader. Samara or Jack for the seeker swarm biotic shield. Send Mordin to escort the surviving crewmates back, he's died while "holding the line" 2 out of 10 times for me even with a loyalty shield so sending him back potentially saves him. If everyone is loyal, everyone should survive "hold the line" and the human-reaper encounter.


Thanks!  That is much appreciated!:)

Edit:  Lexor01 is back!  :D

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MaximizedAction wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

Naseilen wrote...


Icinix wrote...

What we really need, is to get some definite confirmation of whatever that bloody shiny torpedo looking thing is int he background.


I am not very happy of thought, that this thing reminds me the metal part of "Destroy Tube" :crying:


I've tried to compare the two and I don't see the similarities. The spherical/plate like objects appear to be Reaper tech and colored accordingly while the tube isn't colored the same nor does it have sphere-like qualities. They also appear to come in threes.

Just to be sure, you're talking about this right?

*snipped*


Reaper tech, indeed.
In particular, for comparison:

*snipped*


I've just spent the last few hours playing through missions that have Reapers and Reaper tech in them - no matter the angles or the lighting, the things in the breath scene don't match up with them.

Not saying it isn't Reaper stuff, but its certainly not anything we've encounted in the the game. In particular the Rachni Queen Mission with Grunt - There is indoctrination devices, there is Reaper legs, there is walls, there is those power locks, there is funky bits sticking out everywhere. Nothing looks like whats on the ground.

Its too - smooth and has too much sharp shaping. The Reaper stuff thends to be a little bit more..organic. I know thats weird - but the thing on the ground is too man made.

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Icinix wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

Naseilen wrote...


Icinix wrote...

What we really need, is to get some definite confirmation of whatever that bloody shiny torpedo looking thing is int he background.


I am not very happy of thought, that this thing reminds me the metal part of "Destroy Tube" :crying:


I've tried to compare the two and I don't see the similarities. The spherical/plate like objects appear to be Reaper tech and colored accordingly while the tube isn't colored the same nor does it have sphere-like qualities. They also appear to come in threes.

Just to be sure, you're talking about this right?

*snipped*


Reaper tech, indeed.
In particular, for comparison:

*snipped*


I've just spent the last few hours playing through missions that have Reapers and Reaper tech in them - no matter the angles or the lighting, the things in the breath scene don't match up with them.

Not saying it isn't Reaper stuff, but its certainly not anything we've encounted in the the game. In particular the Rachni Queen Mission with Grunt - There is indoctrination devices, there is Reaper legs, there is walls, there is those power locks, there is funky bits sticking out everywhere. Nothing looks like whats on the ground.

Its too - smooth and has too much sharp shaping. The Reaper stuff thends to be a little bit more..organic. I know thats weird - but the thing on the ground is too man made.


I agree, I've also yet to find something in ME3 in a regular level that resembles that thingy in the breath scene. But I derived the similarity to Object Rho from that silver ornament/lining. My claim is, though unproved, that the beam construction in London has a similar lining somewhere.

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Arian Dynas wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

I've said it before and I'll say it again, if I apply Occam's razor (appropriate or not) I find IT to be the simplest explanation.
Possibility 1: Company well known for very good writing makes one of the worst endings to anything ever. They made this mistake because they are terrible writers, or so I am told.
Possibility 2: Company well known for very good writing makes a fake ending to trick people but leaves many clues, both in-game and out.

I find 2 to be the more plausible to be honest.


Well the thing about that, Occam's razor DOES apply there, because it's a real world thing to dissect their methods and motivations, he's talking about using Occam's razor IN STORY.

Bit late replying to this, but sleep and such gets in the way. In story Shepard has several dreams and then experiences a very dream like situation. The simplest explanation is that it is also a dream.

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Big G13 wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Big G13 wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Big G13 wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

@Big Bad

If you're still up and reading this and no one mentioned it yet, ALL you have to do in order to have all loyal squadmates in ME2 is complete every loyalty mission Before the IFF mission. That mission never goes away, you can literally explore 100% of the galaxy + DLC missions and the IFF mission will be sitting there. Doing the IFF mission also unlocked Legion + his loyalty mission, so right after that you'll get the Collector ambush, and be clear to to launch the suicide mission with all loyalty shields ready.

Also, probably know this, upgrade the Normandy completely (thanix cannon, sheilds, heavy armor, maybe even the thurster and probes whynot). The only thing you don't need to upgrade is hte MedBay scar treatment. If you Don't upgrade you could lose a squadmate for each thing you don't have.

For the assignments: Tali or Legion or Kasumi for tech expert, Miranda for secondary team leader and Fire Team leader. Samara or Jack for the seeker swarm biotic shield. Send Mordin to escort the surviving crewmates back, he's died while "holding the line" 2 out of 10 times for me even with a loyalty shield so sending him back potentially saves him. If everyone is loyal, everyone should survive "hold the line" and the human-reaper encounter.

I would recommend Samara for the biotic shield. That thing she does at the end is just ..... totally kick ass. imho.

Jack does that too. Choosing Jack or Samara is really just a matter of whose voice do you like more.

REALLY, I'll have to try it again with Jack. The first time I went through with Jack she barely made it through. Maybe my score was to low or something my first time through. I just assumed it was because Samara was more experienced, an Asari, and a Justicar.

Samara is nearly at her and herself: http://www.youtube.c...8qdEbZWaI#t=17s

Ended up watching the whole thing. Very good. Is it just me or were the speeches in 2 just the best.

Yes, in my opinion they were. Doesn't diminish them in 3 though, they are still great.
Btw I would have cried if I had died at the time where I nearly killed the proto reaper and then got soo close of being killed :D

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