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[Priss Blackburne]

All the Reaper conversations are about how we have no hope, we are just delaying the inevitable. Every conversation they are trying to get us to give up. Shepard is starting to show the signs of this all through ME3, doubting him/her self for the first time in the series and not just once. The dreams are just another way of reinforcing this into shepard. No matter how hard you try you can not save the child.

edit :oh and then here comes the Catalyst with "you have hope, more then you know. Here are some choices. you can save everyone you love in two of them."

Modifié par Priss Blackburne, 09 juillet 2012 - 10:26 .

[masster blaster]

Priss Blackburne wrote...

All the Reaper conversations are about how we have no hope, we are just delaying the inevitable. Every conversation they are trying to get us to give up. Shepard is starting to show the signs of this all through ME3, doubting him/her self for the first time in the series and not just once. The dreams are just another way of reinforcing this into shepard. No matter how hard you try you can not save the child.

yep just like how shepard had to choose between Ash, and kadin, and now the Reapers have Reopen the wound for ME1, and are now killing Shepard"s friends inorder to bring down Shepards will, to the exstent to the point. When Shepard is ready to crack, and fall under the Reaper's Control by choiceing Control, and Synthesis.

Or the Reaper's influence Shepard in the Renegade cut scenes where you can kill Legion,Wrex, and Mordin.

Modifié par masster blaster, 09 juillet 2012 - 10:24 .

[BleedingUranium]

Priss Blackburne wrote...

All the Reaper conversations are about how we have no hope, we are just delaying the inevitable. Every conversation they are trying to get us to give up. Shepard is starting to show the signs of this all through ME3, doubting him/her self for the first time in the series and not just once. The dreams are just another way of reinforcing this into shepard. No matter how hard you try you can not save the child.

Paragon Shepard shows doubts throughout the later part of the game, that's Para Shep's weakness and the Reapers' way in, use his guilt. Renegade Shep is borderline crazy in ME3, betraying everyone, it was talked about over the last few pages. That's the Reapers' way in, a full Renegade Shep would pick Control or Synthesis; do whatever it takes.

Both have their weaknesses, but I don't play full Paragon, so it's okay

[Spartas Husky]

Paragon Shep. Kicks the reapers azz back to whatever blackhole they crawled out of.

Garrus put it best.

A renegage shep, realizes TIM got careless with his reaper control signal and realizes the wya to control them is to keep any tech away from him with the signal. Links signal to citadel and destroys all opposition in a awe inspiring display of megalomaniac power grab by controlling the reaper fleet and being Emperor Shepard from Cerberus throne .

[masster blaster]

BleedingUranium wrote...

Priss Blackburne wrote...

All the Reaper conversations are about how we have no hope, we are just delaying the inevitable. Every conversation they are trying to get us to give up. Shepard is starting to show the signs of this all through ME3, doubting him/her self for the first time in the series and not just once. The dreams are just another way of reinforcing this into shepard. No matter how hard you try you can not save the child.

Paragon Shepard shows doubts throughout the later part of the game, that's Para Shep's weakness and the Reapers' way in, use his guilt. Renegade Shep is borderline crazy in ME3, betraying everyone, it was talked about over the last few pages. That's the Reapers' way in, a full Renegade Shep would pick Control or Synthesis; do whatever it takes.

Both have their weaknesses, but I don't play full Paragon, so it's okay

i play Paragon Shepard, up until Kai Leng killed Thane, and when Shepard mate Kai Leng for teh last tiem. i pressed the Renegade option because anyone that killes my squad get's the blade to the gut.

Also The kill udina option, not Ash or kadin option no. Never would do that.

[Turbo_J]

TJBartlemus wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

EDIT: Okay, I'll say sth about it: This is an interesting idea. The special thing about the asari is, accroding to Thessia's temple, the asari got a special treatment from the protheans. I'm wondering how that would fit into your theory.

Taken from earth, transplanted on Thesia, modified over time by both genetic manipulation and Eezo exposure.

Why would Javik lie about it then? I mean he identifies humans and asari differently.

It's like identifying apes and humans. Similar but not the same. Developed differently.

Exactly. Take a bunch of humans, stick them on another planet. Genemod them here and there and let 10-20K years pass before the 'end of the Prothean cycle'

Another 20K years pass and that 'origin' past would be nothing more than mythos in the form of the goddess Athame and her 'Prothean' followers scientists.

Who's to say the 'genetic engineering' wasn't to adapt humans to Thessia and the Biotic abilities were just inherent to those mods and living in an Eezo rich world. Remember - every species on that planet has Eezo abilities or is Eezo resistant. Why would the Protheans have to mod Asari to give them Biotics on the planet they supposedly originated from, when Biotic abilities are inherent to the rest of the species that developed there?

Modifié par Turbo_J, 09 juillet 2012 - 10:31 .

[masster blaster]

Spartas Husky wrote...

Paragon Shep. Kicks the reapers azz back to whatever blackhole they crawled out of.

Garrus put it best.

A renegage shep, realizes TIM got careless with his reaper control signal and realizes the wya to control them is to keep any tech away from him with the signal. Links signal to citadel and destroys all opposition in a awe inspiring display of megalomaniac power grab by controlling the reaper fleet and being Emperor Shepard from Cerberus throne .

" know if you can passify a Reaper. We'll make you a saint."

[Priss Blackburne]

Turbo_J wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

EDIT: Okay, I'll say sth about it: This is an interesting idea. The special thing about the asari is, accroding to Thessia's temple, the asari got a special treatment from the protheans. I'm wondering how that would fit into your theory.

Taken from earth, transplanted on Thesia, modified over time by both genetic manipulation and Eezo exposure.

Why would Javik lie about it then? I mean he identifies humans and asari differently.

It's like identifying apes and humans. Similar but not the same. Developed differently.

Exactly. Take a bunch of humans, stick them on another planet. Genemod them here and there and let 10-20K years pass before the 'end of the Prothean cycle'

Another 20K years pass and that 'origin' past would be nothing more than mythos in the form of the goddess Athame and her 'Prothean' followers scientists.

Who's to say the 'genetic engineering' wasn't to adapt humans to Thessia and the Biotic abilities were just inherent to those mods and living in an Eezo rich world. Remember - every species on that planet has Eezo abilities or is Eezo resistant. Why would the Protheans have to mod Asari to give them Biotics on the planet they supposedly originated from, when Biotic abilities are inherent to the rest of the species that developed there?

okay call me crazy but that makes sense. would explain why the Asari have so many physical traits similiar to Humans compared to the other races.

[masster blaster]

Priss Blackburne wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

EDIT: Okay, I'll say sth about it: This is an interesting idea. The special thing about the asari is, accroding to Thessia's temple, the asari got a special treatment from the protheans. I'm wondering how that would fit into your theory.

Taken from earth, transplanted on Thesia, modified over time by both genetic manipulation and Eezo exposure.

Why would Javik lie about it then? I mean he identifies humans and asari differently.

It's like identifying apes and humans. Similar but not the same. Developed differently.

Exactly. Take a bunch of humans, stick them on another planet. Genemod them here and there and let 10-20K years pass before the 'end of the Prothean cycle'

Another 20K years pass and that 'origin' past would be nothing more than mythos in the form of the goddess Athame and her 'Prothean' followers scientists.

Who's to say the 'genetic engineering' wasn't to adapt humans to Thessia and the Biotic abilities were just inherent to those mods and living in an Eezo rich world. Remember - every species on that planet has Eezo abilities or is Eezo resistant. Why would the Protheans have to mod Asari to give them Biotics on the planet they supposedly originated from, when Biotic abilities are inherent to the rest of the species that developed there?

okay call me crazy but that makes sense. would explain why the Asari have so many physical traits similiar to Humans compared to the other races.

yet why are the Reaper's so intreasted in Humans, than the Asari, even though they are the most advnace race, and why not tell the Human's. Hey we are related, and guess what The REAPERS ARE REAL not a myth.

So I don"t hate Liara, or Samara. I just hate the Asari leaders keeping the evidnce about the Reapers, that COULD HAVE HELPED prepare us for the Reaper invasion, but no.

[Spartas Husky]

masster blaster wrote...


" know if you can passify a Reaper. We'll make you a saint."

Saint Shepard :devil::devil: perfect name for emperor Shepard... muhahahahahahaha!!!!

[Priss Blackburne]

ugh I thought this quote was an old one when someone posted it here. It's a new one woooohooooo!

Chris Priestly ‏@BioEvilChris
@DanielMoulder There is DLC planned, but I can't say pre or post ending. You'll have to wait for details. Sorry.
6:16 AM - 9 Jul 12

*rubs hands together* goood goooood all is proceeding as we have foreseen.

okay..must not get my hopes up too much tho =/

[masster blaster]

masster blaster wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

UltimateTobi wrote...

Good point. Never thought about that. But it makes sense. In no ME you were able to kill a friend with a Renegade option. In ME3 you do.

And even let Samara kill herself with non-Paragon-action her. And her daughter later per Renegade decision.

(And, everytime someone shot in his/her own head, blood was flying all over the place, except when TIM shot in his own head. There was no blood. I know, old evidence, just wanted to repeat it in that context.)

Ya but that was a non cut Scene with the option appering, and this was big and we all though Wrex was going to kill Shepard if we don"t calm Wrex down. Also It's the cure for his people so ya I would want it so badly i would try to fight anyone who would try to destroy it.

Also Mordin shot in the Back just like Saren did to Nilus. Shot in the back.

Also killing Legion like that. three shots to the head. the HEAD. and not once did Shepard say I am sorry to Legion about this, but come on. Also Mordin was trying to save the Krogan, and even admites that it's his fault and want's to correct it.

Don't you see Bioware is letting the Player Indoctrinate Shepard, by influensing Shepard to kill his/her friends, which we could not do personaly in ME2 that Shepard DID not somebody else, but Shepard alone.

Yeah everyone noticed the transition from ME1/ME2 renegade to ME3-murderous-psychopath-renegade but I never thought of a reason for it. "...manipulating the victim into betraying friends,

trusting enemies,

or viewing the reaper itself in superstitious awe."
http://t1.gstatic.co...7FpQJOivD7ABQ-Q

Motherofgod.
Fridge brilliance!

It's only yesterday that I saw on youtube what Shep could do on a Renegade playthrough. And together with master's comment...wow, Shep's totally in Saren mode -- the only thing missing is him explaining to everyone how trusting and siding with the Reapers is the 'right thing'.

yep and right now I am look for Indoctrination on Paragon right now so we will see if Paragon is no tainted with Reaper mind tactics.

So far it looks like Paragon for Indoctrination is none of the triats that indoc has, however Shepard's stress level is high than Shepard was during the Skilien Blitzs, and EdI is readying through Shepard's Armor, so ya not much for Paragon, but I will keep looking.

[MaximizedAction]

Turbo_J wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

EDIT: Okay, I'll say sth about it: This is an interesting idea. The special thing about the asari is, accroding to Thessia's temple, the asari got a special treatment from the protheans. I'm wondering how that would fit into your theory.

Taken from earth, transplanted on Thesia, modified over time by both genetic manipulation and Eezo exposure.

Why would Javik lie about it then? I mean he identifies humans and asari differently.

It's like identifying apes and humans. Similar but not the same. Developed differently.

Exactly. Take a bunch of humans, stick them on another planet. Genemod them here and there and let 10-20K years pass before the 'end of the Prothean cycle'

Another 20K years pass and that 'origin' past would be nothing more than mythos in the form of the goddess Athame and her 'Prothean' followers scientists.

Who's to say the 'genetic engineering' wasn't to adapt humans to Thessia and the Biotic abilities were just inherent to those mods and living in an Eezo rich world. Remember - every species on that planet has Eezo abilities or is Eezo resistant. Why would the Protheans have to mod Asari to give them Biotics on the planet they supposedly originated from, when Biotic abilities are inherent to the rest of the species that developed there?

Okay, now I think this would be one of the most awesome things Bioware could do to bring back ME to its close-to-real-science roots. It's evolution with a grain of science fiction-y biotics. ME1 reloaded.

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[Turbo_J]

You think that's trippy, A Biotic Shepard is one of, if not the first Human biotic.

There is no lore for the first exposure. Evidently, if Shep is a spacer, Hannah somehow survived. I created a plausible back story for how this would work for my Canon, Amethyst Shepard. A secondary exposure takes place when Shepard is 14, at which time it becomes 'public' knowledge Shep has Biotic potential; somewhere around 2168. They are chipped at 17 - Experimental L3.

Modifié par Turbo_J, 09 juillet 2012 - 10:47 .

[dreamgazer]

Turbo_J wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Doesn't change what I said. IMHO it's OOC for Liara to be that upset by Thessia. Same goes for Shepard.

I agree whole heartedly. The problem is we have no idea if the affects of Indoctrination are to blame or if Shepard's perception of events is to blame. I think the Reapers are battering on Liara's will just as much as Shepard's. They are going to try to beat down any form of support Shepard has, so this would be one way to do it.

When you see an OOC moment, it should be clue of an attack on moral, strength of will or character, etc.

The thing about that reaction is this: Thessia might not have had that hard of an effect on Liara, but it might when you couple it with what she learns about the asari religion from Javik.  

EDIT: Obviously, after reading back a bit like I should have, you know that. (laughs)

Modifié par dreamgazer, 09 juillet 2012 - 11:09 .

[TJBartlemus]

Priss Blackburne wrote...

ugh I thought this quote was an old one when someone posted it here. It's a new one woooohooooo!

Chris Priestly ‏@BioEvilChris
@DanielMoulder There is DLC planned, but I can't say pre or post ending. You'll have to wait for details. Sorry.
6:16 AM - 9 Jul 12

*rubs hands together* goood goooood all is proceeding as we have foreseen.

okay..must not get my hopes up too much tho =/

Hmmmm....BioWare is at least thinking about post ending. Curious. 

[BansheeOwnage]

TJBartlemus wrote...

Priss Blackburne wrote...

ugh I thought this quote was an old one when someone posted it here. It's a new one woooohooooo!

Chris Priestly ‏@BioEvilChris
@DanielMoulder There is DLC planned, but I can't say pre or post ending. You'll have to wait for details. Sorry.
6:16 AM - 9 Jul 12

*rubs hands together* goood goooood all is proceeding as we have foreseen.

okay..must not get my hopes up too much tho =/

Hmmmm....BioWare is at least thinking about post ending. Curious. 

"Curious" is a good work for it. Why not just say it'll be before the end unless they are in fact planning post ending DLC? Considering everyone expects that. Hmmm...

Modifié par BansheeOwnage, 09 juillet 2012 - 11:11 .

[FellishBeast]

Ugh. Familiar faces with different pictures confuses this one. I mean "me."

[BleedingUranium]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

Priss Blackburne wrote...

ugh I thought this quote was an old one when someone posted it here. It's a new one woooohooooo!

Chris Priestly ‏@BioEvilChris
@DanielMoulder There is DLC planned, but I can't say pre or post ending. You'll have to wait for details. Sorry.
6:16 AM - 9 Jul 12

*rubs hands together* goood goooood all is proceeding as we have foreseen.

okay..must not get my hopes up too much tho =/

Hmmmm....BioWare is at least thinking about post ending. Curious. 

"Curious" is a good work for it. Why not just say it'll be before the end unless they are in fact planning post ending DLC? Considering everyone expects that. Hmmm...

Especially since they said, a month, maybe a month and a half ago or so, that there would no post ending DLC. At all

[BansheeOwnage]

BleedingUranium wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

Priss Blackburne wrote...

ugh I thought this quote was an old one when someone posted it here. It's a new one woooohooooo!

Chris Priestly ‏@BioEvilChris
@DanielMoulder There is DLC planned, but I can't say pre or post ending. You'll have to wait for details. Sorry.
6:16 AM - 9 Jul 12

*rubs hands together* goood goooood all is proceeding as we have foreseen.

okay..must not get my hopes up too much tho =/

Hmmmm....BioWare is at least thinking about post ending. Curious. 

"Curious" is a good work for it. Why not just say it'll be before the end unless they are in fact planning post ending DLC? Considering everyone expects that. Hmmm...

Especially since they said, a month, maybe a month and a half ago or so, that there would no post ending DLC. At all

Yeah. I was thinking they said that too. Hmmm.

[BansheeOwnage]

FellishBeast wrote...

Ugh. Familiar faces with different pictures confuses this one. I mean "me."

Who do you mean?

[liggy002]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

Priss Blackburne wrote...

ugh I thought this quote was an old one when someone posted it here. It's a new one woooohooooo!

Chris Priestly ‏@BioEvilChris
@DanielMoulder There is DLC planned, but I can't say pre or post ending. You'll have to wait for details. Sorry.
6:16 AM - 9 Jul 12

*rubs hands together* goood goooood all is proceeding as we have foreseen.

okay..must not get my hopes up too much tho =/

Hmmmm....BioWare is at least thinking about post ending. Curious. 

"Curious" is a good work for it. Why not just say it'll be before the end unless they are in fact planning post ending DLC? Considering everyone expects that. Hmmm...

Especially since they said, a month, maybe a month and a half ago or so, that there would no post ending DLC. At all

Yeah. I was thinking they said that too. Hmmm.

Bioware also said there would be no new endings but we have the Refuse ending now. 

[FellishBeast]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

FellishBeast wrote...

Ugh. Familiar faces with different pictures confuses this one. I mean "me."

Who do you mean?

I guess...familiar names with unfamiliar faces?

I haven't been actively involved in this thread for awhile due to reasons. And now everyone has a new face. 

[Simon_Says]

"There won't be any post-ending DLC."
"I can't comment if it's pre or post ending DLC"

Seems legit.

When the EC came out I was pretty sure that Bioware was basically fixed on not confirming or denying IT. Not now, not ever. Then they say and do stuff like this that keeps me questioning.

Every time I try to get out they pull me back in!

Modifié par Simon_Says, 09 juillet 2012 - 11:29 .

[masster blaster]

Not me Fellish, though I want Hackett as my avatar. But Wrex is a beast.