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Keep in mind Shepard's left side on the cover is paragon and right side is renegade.TJBartlemus wrote...
Yeah that is no coincidence expecially with a company that loves putting hints and hidden messages. Seems strange then they would pick the carnifex for Shepard to use on the cover, even though in most scenes he uses a predator. (Also helps the negative association by how Shepard's face seems so angry.)
Modifié par BansheeOwnage, 10 juillet 2012 - 03:23 .
TJBartlemus wrote...
Yeah that is no coincidence expecially with a company that loves putting hints and hidden messages. Seems strange then they would pick the carnifex for Shepard to use on the cover, even though in most scenes he uses a predator. (Also helps the negative association by how Shepard's face seems so angry.)
Modifié par Turbo_J, 10 juillet 2012 - 03:24 .
BleedingUranium wrote...
TJBartlemus wrote...
BansheeOwnage wrote...
I think it all relates to the symbology of the Predator and the Carnifex. Which in quite subtle.
Yes I believe there is a lot of that in the game. The entire game during the cinematics Shepard is seen using a predator. Anderson when shown in the game is shown to use a carnifex. Then after being hit from Harbinger this switches around. (Okay I can assume coincidence.) When you choose destroy, the gun changes from carnifex to predator. (Can also assume this is coincidence because default for cinematics is predator.) However there are plenty of videos showing this "error" and after EC it's still there. Why? Could it be another glitch that they intentionally left? Like the slow mo for killing mordin. BioWare also made a point to showcase the carnifex by putting it into the cover for the game. Is this a message to focus on the carnifex? That something is wrong?? (The showcasing could also prove the glitch for the change but still doesn't explain why they left it there.) BioWare wanted show the importance of the carnifex. The question is why...
Speculations??
The Destroy Predator had to have been intentional because it changes mid-cutscene. If it had suddenly been a Predator the moment the cutscene started, that would be an oversight, the same one we see other places. There's no getting around it being intentional.
Also, the Predator is used throughout the series in anti-indoctrination scenarios. Not every appearance of a Predator is important, but every Paragon and anti-indoc part uses a Predator.
-Fai Dan breaks Thorian indoc by killing himself one
-Saren breaks indoc by killing himself with one (one of only two times he uses a pistol)
-All cut scenes with Kai Leng, saving the Councillor, in the car, on Thessia, on Cronos, Shep uses one
-Dream-TIM, who is Shep's devil-on-the-shoulder, or rather, indoc-on-the-shoulder, kills himself with one
-Talking down VS in the coup, all squadmates have one
-The moment Shep is hit by the sockwave in Destroy, the Carnifex becomes a Predator
The Carnifex is always used in very negative scenes.
-Saren betrays Nihlus with one (the other time he uses a pistol)
-If Shepard sabotages the cure and betrays Mordin, he uses one
-If Shepard sabotages the cure and betrays Wrex, he uses one
-The VS has one while facing of with Shepard & Co
-Anderson has one right before the beam run, but nothing negative here, most likely so the player understands the Carnifex they pick up is Anderson's
-Shep, under Dream-TIM's control, "betrays" Dream-Anderson with one
I'm sure I missed a few, but that's most of them
Chris Priestly @BioEvilChrisplfranke wrote...
where was it said that iboware can't confirm or deny whether the planned dlc will be pre or post ending?
?Turbo_J wrote...
TJBartlemus wrote...
Yeah that is no coincidence expecially with a company that loves putting hints and hidden messages. Seems strange then they would pick the carnifex for Shepard to use on the cover, even though in most scenes he uses a predator. (Also helps the negative association by how Shepard's face seems so angry.)
Shepard is not the protagonist in ME3. At least not up to the ending we currently have.
I'm amazed people have not figured that out yet.
Turbo_J wrote...
TJBartlemus wrote...
Yeah that is no coincidence expecially with a company that loves putting hints and hidden messages. Seems strange then they would pick the carnifex for Shepard to use on the cover, even though in most scenes he uses a predator. (Also helps the negative association by how Shepard's face seems so angry.)
Shepard is not the protagonist in ME3. At least not up to the ending we currently have.
I'm amazed people have not figured that out yet.
BansheeOwnage wrote...
Chris Priestly @BioEvilChrisplfranke wrote...
where was it said that iboware can't confirm or deny whether the planned dlc will be pre or post ending?
@DanielMoulder There is DLC planned, but I can't say pre or post ending. You'll have to wait for details. Sorry.
6:16 AM - 9 Jul 12
BansheeOwnage wrote...
Chris Priestly @BioEvilChrisplfranke wrote...
where was it said that iboware can't confirm or deny whether the planned dlc will be pre or post ending?
@DanielMoulder There is DLC planned, but I can't say pre or post ending. You'll have to wait for details. Sorry.
6:16 AM - 9 Jul 12
Modifié par DrTsoni, 10 juillet 2012 - 03:27 .
BansheeOwnage wrote...
?Turbo_J wrote...
TJBartlemus wrote...
Yeah that is no coincidence expecially with a company that loves putting hints and hidden messages. Seems strange then they would pick the carnifex for Shepard to use on the cover, even though in most scenes he uses a predator. (Also helps the negative association by how Shepard's face seems so angry.)
Shepard is not the protagonist in ME3. At least not up to the ending we currently have.
I'm amazed people have not figured that out yet.
BansheeOwnage wrote...
Chris Priestly @BioEvilChrisplfranke wrote...
where was it said that iboware can't confirm or deny whether the planned dlc will be pre or post ending?
@DanielMoulder There is DLC planned, but I can't say pre or post ending. You'll have to wait for details. Sorry.
6:16 AM - 9 Jul 12
D.Sharrah wrote...
Pulling this out of moth balls...
http://social.biowar.../index/11192986
Thought it had some relevance to the whole Renegade Shep seems like Saren (although it includes some points about Paragons as well).
Let me know if this helps the discussion.
Turbo_J wrote...
Just wait until we get the Choose Wisely series off the ground. ME1 is riddled with more clues to on going indoctrination than you can imagine.
D.Sharrah wrote...
Turbo_J wrote...
Just wait until we get the Choose Wisely series off the ground. ME1 is riddled with more clues to on going indoctrination than you can imagine.
I am patiently awaiting...the first was great!
BansheeOwnage wrote...
Chris Priestly @BioEvilChrisplfranke wrote...
where was it said that iboware can't confirm or deny whether the planned dlc will be pre or post ending?
@DanielMoulder There is DLC planned, but I can't say pre or post ending. You'll have to wait for details. Sorry.
6:16 AM - 9 Jul 12
"Indoctrination is not a straight line. There are many paths to the same end."D.Sharrah wrote...
New page...don't want this lost...D.Sharrah wrote...
Pulling this out of moth balls...
http://social.biowar.../index/11192986
Thought it had some relevance to the whole Renegade Shep seems like Saren (although it includes some points about Paragons as well).
Let me know if this helps the discussion.
BansheeOwnage wrote...
The Carnifex (executioner) is used to betray people. It's used by Saren to kill Nihlus, Shepard to kill Mordin, Shepard to kill Wrex in ME3. Shepard to shoot Anderson, Kaidan/Ashley when they're in the wrong (facing Shepard). Those are just off the top of my head. The Predator is used my Saren (despite his pistol being a Carnifex) to shoot/redeem himself, TIM to kill himself, Shepard to kill Udina, Shepard in the Virmire survivor standoff, fighting Kai Leng etc. Obvious symbology.masster blaster wrote...
TJBartlemus wrote...
BansheeOwnage wrote...
I think it all relates to the symbology of the Predator and the Carnifex. Which in quite subtle.
Yes I believe there is a lot of that in the game. The entire game during the cinematics Shepard is seen using a predator. Anderson when shown in the game is shown to use a carnifex. Then after being hit from Harbinger this switches around. (Okay I can assume coincidence.) When you choose destroy, the gun changes from carnifex to predator. (Can also assume this is coincidence because default for cinematics is predator.) However there are plenty of videos showing this "error" and after EC it's still there. Why? Could it be another glitch that they intentionally left? Like the slow mo for killing mordin. BioWare also made a point to showcase the carnifex by putting it into the cover for the game. Is this a message to focus on the carnifex? That something is wrong?? (The showcasing could also prove the glitch for the change but still doesn't explain why they left it there.) BioWare wanted show the importance of the carnifex. The question is why...
Speculations??
Yep and how you us the Carnifex to kill mordin.
Modifié par Chriz Tah Fah, 10 juillet 2012 - 03:46 .
Wow the new RVB was awesome!byne wrote...
So, what did I miss while I was gone?
Modifié par BansheeOwnage, 10 juillet 2012 - 03:41 .
Turbo_J wrote...
BansheeOwnage wrote...
?Turbo_J wrote...
TJBartlemus wrote...
Yeah that is no coincidence expecially with a company that loves putting hints and hidden messages. Seems strange then they would pick the carnifex for Shepard to use on the cover, even though in most scenes he uses a predator. (Also helps the negative association by how Shepard's face seems so angry.)
Shepard is not the protagonist in ME3. At least not up to the ending we currently have.
I'm amazed people have not figured that out yet.
It's not as cut and dry as that, but it's close. The Paragon/Renegade
options are a bit of a clue, as is their reversal in some situations.
Shepard is on the path of an antagonist even if they don't know it. I thought Bill's Pied Piper strip was a nice touch to clue some people in on it.
Yeah, that's how this pyramid was started. Note that it changes as soon as the destroy shockwave hits Shepard.Chriz Tah Fah wrote...
BansheeOwnage wrote...
The Carnifex (executioner) is used to betray people. It's used by Saren to kill Nihlus, Shepard to kill Mordin, Shepard to kill Wrex in ME3. Shepard to shoot Anderson, Kaidan/Ashley when they're in the wrong (facing Shepard). Those are just off the top of my head. The Predator is used my Saren (despite his pistol being a Carnifex) to shoot/redeem himself, TIM to kill himself, Shepard to kill Udina, Shepard in the Virmire survivor standoff, fighting Kai Leng etc. Obvious symbology.masster blaster wrote...
TJBartlemus wrote...
BansheeOwnage wrote...
I think it all relates to the symbology of the Predator and the Carnifex. Which in quite subtle.
Yes I believe there is a lot of that in the game. The entire game during the cinematics Shepard is seen using a predator. Anderson when shown in the game is shown to use a carnifex. Then after being hit from Harbinger this switches around. (Okay I can assume coincidence.) When you choose destroy, the gun changes from carnifex to predator. (Can also assume this is coincidence because default for cinematics is predator.) However there are plenty of videos showing this "error" and after EC it's still there. Why? Could it be another glitch that they intentionally left? Like the slow mo for killing mordin. BioWare also made a point to showcase the carnifex by putting it into the cover for the game. Is this a message to focus on the carnifex? That something is wrong?? (The showcasing could also prove the glitch for the change but still doesn't explain why they left it there.) BioWare wanted show the importance of the carnifex. The question is why...
Speculations??
Yep and how you us the Carnifex to kill mordin.
Clevernoob mentioned in his Indoc documentary part 2 that you shoot the tube with the CARNIFEX. Then after the tube blows up the pistol changes to the PREDATOR before Shepard is engulfed in the explosion.
Modifié par BansheeOwnage, 10 juillet 2012 - 03:43 .
Turbo_J wrote...
BansheeOwnage wrote...
?Turbo_J wrote...
TJBartlemus wrote...
Yeah that is no coincidence expecially with a company that loves putting hints and hidden messages. Seems strange then they would pick the carnifex for Shepard to use on the cover, even though in most scenes he uses a predator. (Also helps the negative association by how Shepard's face seems so angry.)
Shepard is not the protagonist in ME3. At least not up to the ending we currently have.
I'm amazed people have not figured that out yet.
It's not as cut and dry as that, but it's close. The Paragon/Renegade
options are a bit of a clue, as is their reversal in some situations.
Shepard is on the path of an antagonist even if they don't know it. I thought Bill's Pied Piper strip was a nice touch to clue some people in on it.
Well, Shepard is the protagonist. Period. Are you looking for the word "hero"?D.Sharrah wrote...
Turbo_J wrote...
BansheeOwnage wrote...
?Turbo_J wrote...
TJBartlemus wrote...
Yeah that is no coincidence expecially with a company that loves putting hints and hidden messages. Seems strange then they would pick the carnifex for Shepard to use on the cover, even though in most scenes he uses a predator. (Also helps the negative association by how Shepard's face seems so angry.)
Shepard is not the protagonist in ME3. At least not up to the ending we currently have.
I'm amazed people have not figured that out yet.
It's not as cut and dry as that, but it's close. The Paragon/Renegade
options are a bit of a clue, as is their reversal in some situations.
Shepard is on the path of an antagonist even if they don't know it. I thought Bill's Pied Piper strip was a nice touch to clue some people in on it.
This intrigues me...fits in with my idea about Shep and Saren being mirrors to each other quite well...out of curiosity, who do you see as the potential protagonist in the game?
Modifié par BansheeOwnage, 10 juillet 2012 - 03:45 .
TJBartlemus wrote...
a confused bump* (Why no answers or speculation??)TJBartlemus wrote...
invetro wrote...
Also, in London, in the room where the reaper forces are seen using allied stationary weapons for the first time ever, there's a skeleton on the bed. I am only now finding that quite strange. Why wasn't this dead person carted off and used as reaper goo? As well as the black stuff that has seeped out of the walls all over London. You can see it coming down from the ceilings in that same building. It looks similar to the black goo in the Citadel, only static.
Yeah we speculated on the London mission for a while when Riot86 posted his findings. (Found in WNT: Version 2) My thoughts on that was that the skeleton on the bed is burnt. However if this is true it would make no sense whatsoever. Reapers use all the organic material they can find. Living or dead. So this rules out that they left it or the cannibles ate it. The body couldn't be burnt from an explosion because the rest of the bed is fine and white. I think that the body is not real, but an image put by the Reapers in messing with Shepard's perceptions. It symbolises that Shepard burnt in his last dream which was in his bed. The bed same model as the one in the Normandy and apartment in London.
The black goo I believe is blood but as that the room is almost fully dark, you couldn't see the color. Either way lots of blood tends to be dark red anyway.
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