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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark II!


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When someone manages to eliminate other possibilities (such as simply sloppy work), I'll agree to IT.

That has not yet happened.

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EpyonX3

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Being in a lot of pain from getting hit by the beam makes Shepard's limbic system go haywire. It struggles to suppress as much pain as possible while trying to cope with the traumatic experience to the body.

It's not likely that the limbic system is vulnerable during all of this activity since it's in defense mode from being attacked by pain signals. So an attack by indoctrination wouldn't work in Shepard's hurt state.

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ReggarBlane wrote...

When someone manages to eliminate other possibilities (such as simply sloppy work), I'll agree to IT.

That has not yet happened.


Reggar, I'm not trying to be rude, but what possibilites (that make sense) exist? I really want to know, keep my options open. Could you explain any for us to examine and see if we can disprove them?

Being lazy or sloppy is kind of hard argue for or against,  since no one posting here was involved with development and all.

Modifié par The Savage Nymph, 22 mai 2012 - 02:12 .


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Sup folks? I've got a whole bunch of messages on here from various people, mostly about the LegendSave thing we were going to try - that's still on but I've managed to hurt myself a bit and won't likely be in too great shape to even get up on the computer like this too often over the next few days, but if people could get on and try the save that was posted in my LegendSave thread I'll take a look as soon as I can.

Icinix wrote...

I've seen a few people viewing the in game assets from a program of some kind - does anyone know what ones are easy for straight up viewing?

Umodel. Awesome program, gui can be found via google.


Makrys wrote...

Not sure if this has been mentioned at
all, but even if so, its worth throwin out there again for anyone who
hasn't seen it. A couple tweets were discovered a while back that were
pretty revealing... then were later deleted. Intriguing? Here they are:

First
one - @masseffect @PatrickWeekes did you feel pressured to change the
ending, Isn't it important to stick to your guns on some things?

@satootaku We never said we were changing it :) We have ALWAYS had big plans for ME3. It isn't a response-It's been in the works

Second - @masseffect Whats with the ending? It was confusing and very dreamlike was it supposed to be like that?
Mass Effect Mass Effect ‏ @masseffect

@kaladur The ending was as we intended, so yes? :)



I
didn't post the link because it just goes to a discussion board where
the quotes are simply posted. But I would like to give a shout out to
Mr. Bill Casey who posted the link a few days ago on another thread
which is where I found it. Always on top of your evidence, Mr. Casey.

So...
what do you guys think of that? Seems pretty revealing to me. And
Priestly's response was laughable. Just a pure cover up, nothing
more.


That's pretty cool, I definitely noticed a point when Merizan was told "stop making statements that mean anything" :P She went from "yeah you can survive and be reunited with your squadmates in the extended cut if you chose destroy with high EMS" one day to "well it's all up for interpretation really" the next (early april, maybe late march, have a look).

HyperGlass wrote...

Has you covered the subject on why
every dead body on the Citadale is bald? Because that is weird even by
design standards.


Just throwing it out there but from the 3d models they look like mannequins and it freaks me the **** out :pinched:

MegumiAzusa wrote...

I remember someone noticed that for
the last time you can select a weapon if you go to the customize screen
the camera doesn't stand still, now I am just playing Earth and noticed:
there is weapon bob which is nowhere else but when you just get up from
being shot by Harbinger.

I saw another video before that was posted of that. Surprised nobody made a big deal about it...

ll PAYASO323 ll wrote...

i keep hearing EVERYWHERE lately
that the ending was wrote by Casey and Mac alone. No input from the rest
of the team whatsoever.
Why do people keep mentioning this? is this even true? Wasup with that

You mean kind of like how very few people were involved in the "Vader is Luke's father" scene in star wars V?
Makes sense...

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TSA_383 wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

I remember someone noticed that for
the last time you can select a weapon if you go to the customize screen
the camera doesn't stand still, now I am just playing Earth and noticed:
there is weapon bob which is nowhere else but when you just get up from
being shot by Harbinger.

I saw another video before that was posted of that. Surprised nobody made a big deal about it...


As so usual in this thread:
MIND BLOWN!!!

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MegumiAzusa wrote...

I remember someone noticed that for
the last time you can select a weapon if you go to the customize screen
the camera doesn't stand still, now I am just playing Earth and noticed:
there is weapon bob which is nowhere else but when you just get up from
being shot by Harbinger.

Oh wow, that's kinda creepy! Zombie-like, even.

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There is an active thread in the forums dedicated to hating on Joker. I don't even...

Do most of the people who post on this site even like the series?!?

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ReggarBlane wrote...

When someone manages to eliminate other possibilities (such as simply sloppy work), I'll agree to IT.

That has not yet happened.


It's funny in a way.  Because anyone clinging to the "BW is lazy" is clearly too lazy to read the evidence themselves, as explaining away a lot of it with "BW is lazy" is like trying to explain corn is blue because there's no unicorns.

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Big Bad wrote...

There is an active thread in the forums dedicated to hating on Joker. I don't even...

Do most of the people who post on this site even like the series?!?


How could anyone hate Joker? He's the only character that makes sarcasm funny. I'm not a huge fan of sarcasm but he does it pretty well.

Also, the eyes.....

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Big Bad wrote...

There is an active thread in the forums dedicated to hating on Joker. I don't even...

Do most of the people who post on this site even like the series?!?

This one time, I strayed onto a counter-strike forum...
*shudder*
Never again.

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True fans of Star Wars are the ones that hate it most.

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ReggarBlane wrote...

When someone manages to eliminate other possibilities (such as simply sloppy work), I'll agree to IT.


Outside of the BioWare squad standing next to their creation and proclaiming it to be the game they're most proud of among the series, which they've done, I'm not sure how you'd find that kind of answer. 

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RavenEyry wrote...

True fans of Star Wars are the ones that hate it most.


So the pro-IT's are the real casual players? :P

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Big Bad wrote...

Do most of the people who post on this site even like the series?!?


Between those discussions and the way folks carpet-bomb other threads that don't agree with their views, I wonder the same thing frequently.

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Meatus wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

I remember someone noticed that for
the last time you can select a weapon if you go to the customize screen
the camera doesn't stand still, now I am just playing Earth and noticed:
there is weapon bob which is nowhere else but when you just get up from
being shot by Harbinger.

Oh wow, that's kinda creepy! Zombie-like, even.


Got to hand it to you. It is indeed abit freaky, and also abit cool. I think that one should earn abit of a heads-up. I mean, this one is quite spot-on and definately implemented to showcase something. :mellow:

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Meatus wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

I remember someone noticed that for
the last time you can select a weapon if you go to the customize screen
the camera doesn't stand still, now I am just playing Earth and noticed:
there is weapon bob which is nowhere else but when you just get up from
being shot by Harbinger.

Oh wow, that's kinda creepy! Zombie-like, even.


This could go in two directions: one, Shepard's too wound up and addled to hold still, or two ... well, we know what the other side of that argument entails.  Either way, it's another way that BioWare applied extra work and concentration to something very subtle and sensory-bound. 

Thanks for posting---that's pretty slick. 

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Indeed there are many elements that suggest that the final scene is a dream (or an attempt at indoctrination) because even if not the ending was written in 5 minutes while the writers licked the back of toads.
But this place is the fact that it lacks the final ok Shepard gives indoctrination and what happens? The raiders finish their work? But you see, you and you have to show ...
Shepard won the indoctrination, and wakes up ... ??? You owe me to see what happens. In practice, if the theory were true indoctrination still miss the real ending.

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dreamgazer wrote...

Meatus wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

I remember someone noticed that for
the last time you can select a weapon if you go to the customize screen
the camera doesn't stand still, now I am just playing Earth and noticed:
there is weapon bob which is nowhere else but when you just get up from
being shot by Harbinger.

Oh wow, that's kinda creepy! Zombie-like, even.


This could go in two directions: one, Shepard's too wound up and addled to hold still, or two ... well, we know what the other side of that argument entails.  Either way, it's another way that BioWare applied extra work and concentration to something very subtle and sensory-bound. 

Thanks for posting---that's pretty slick. 



but.... I thought bioware was lazy? 

=]

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RavenEyry wrote...

True fans of Star Wars are the ones that hate it most.



Well, that one's a little bit different. A lot of details that many of us knew and loved about the original releases were steadily retconned out of existence with each re-release. Mass Effect didn't do this (too much) as it went along, and at least the worst complaint is that it ends in an ambiguous way that can be built upon. 

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So, this is what Merizan had to say before she was given the "stop revealing things" prod and suddenly went all vauge :P


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Thoughts?

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dreamgazer wrote...

Meatus wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

I remember someone noticed that for
the last time you can select a weapon if you go to the customize screen
the camera doesn't stand still, now I am just playing Earth and noticed:
there is weapon bob which is nowhere else but when you just get up from
being shot by Harbinger.

Oh wow, that's kinda creepy! Zombie-like, even.


This could go in two directions: one, Shepard's too wound up and addled to hold still, or two ... well, we know what the other side of that argument entails.  Either way, it's another way that BioWare applied extra work and concentration to something very subtle and sensory-bound. 

Thanks for posting---that's pretty slick. 


Never noticed this before. Has anyone noticed if the weapon bobs before you shoot the conduit?

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Yay, I can see Liara again if I play multi-player! Yeah, I'm not doing that.

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Unschuld wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

True fans of Star Wars are the ones that hate it most.



Well, that one's a little bit different. A lot of details that many of us knew and loved about the original releases were steadily retconned out of existence with each re-release. Mass Effect didn't do this (too much) as it went along, and at least the worst complaint is that it ends in an ambiguous way that can be built upon. 

Thermal clips? You can still wait for your gun to cool down, right?

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^^^^ I'm not an Indoc Theory eager worshipper, but the Interpretation Theory is far worse.

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dmay7 wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

Meatus wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

I remember someone noticed that for
the last time you can select a weapon if you go to the customize screen
the camera doesn't stand still, now I am just playing Earth and noticed:
there is weapon bob which is nowhere else but when you just get up from
being shot by Harbinger.

Oh wow, that's kinda creepy! Zombie-like, even.


This could go in two directions: one, Shepard's too wound up and addled to hold still, or two ... well, we know what the other side of that argument entails.  Either way, it's another way that BioWare applied extra work and concentration to something very subtle and sensory-bound. 

Thanks for posting---that's pretty slick.


Never noticed this before. Has anyone noticed if the weapon bobs before you shoot the conduit?

It actually stops when you beam up to the Citadel, like the blood thing around your view goes away. Could mean Sheps recovering or just for making the later scenes easier.