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[D.Sharrah]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

What I want to know is if Liara's (oddly unsed) bed is the same model. Because if it is, it's most likely just the only bed model in the game. So it wouldn't be surprising.

Never understood why Liara wasn't "sleeping" in Shep's cabin for more of the game...

Yeah, considering it's sopposed to take place over several months. After a 6 month gap... and a 2 year gap before that.........

I just don't get how come we can't have an adult relationship...I sleep with my wife everynight - regardless of whether or not we are "doing" anything...and I am not saying the Shep and Liara are married - but after three games, they should be closer than one encounter!

Yeah it's a bit odd. Especially considering the state of the galaxy, what's at stake, and odds of survival.

Probaly would get slammed if they did...I can just see the headlines now, Mass Effect teaches the kids that marriage is not needed....or some other equally stupid drivel.

[BansheeOwnage]

Turbo_J wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

From my edit above...

Yes, Shepard is the protagonist... if you're looking for a Reaper win.

I'm not saying there isn't a way out of this, we haven't got to the 'end' of Shepard's story just yet, but as it stands, the Reapers have thoroughly manipulated him/her and us into doing their bidding without really 'knowing' it.

The Crucible is a time/energy wasting trap

Shepard gets everyone to follow him/her because they were always right before

Shepard leads everyone into a shotting gallery

Shepard can, in some cases trust enemies and betray friends. There are obvious instances of this with Mordin, Wrex and Legion and their counterparts, but there are also subtle instances as well. Miranda conveniently putting a tracer on Kia Leng? Come on! Traynor? WTF is Liara doing with her time that Traynor finds this stuff in signals and is prodded by EDI of all people to 'give the intel to Shepard? If EDI knew about it, why didn't she report is immediately.

None of these people are likely doing any of this on purpose. They are being manipulated, just like Shepard.

Shepard is fooled into betraying the galaxy, unknowingly.

They are the ultimate sleeper agent. Controlled by the player themselves... to a point. We don't have full control, after all, do we.

As I said... this isn't the end of Shepard's story. You have to believe we're not done yet.

So you think that none of the 4 options break indoc? And how does a protagonist being manipulated not make her a protagonist?

I'm really going to have to spell this out, hah. I don't have time right now. I need to get some sleep before work.

Shepard is acting on the Reapers behest... look how much it worked until people clued into Indoctrination.

The way out is destroy. It's an interrupt for Shepard against themselves, really. Blowing something up and almost dying is pretty close to a bullet in the brain.

Shepard had basically been manipulated into doing the Reapers bidding without knowing it. In two out of the three choices at the end, they becomes the Reapers hero, not the galaxy's hero.

Better?

Okay. I think we were locked in some sort of misunderstanding. I thought you meant many things Shepard did helped the reapers, not just the ending choices, which we knew already, Let's move on now that we're past that.

[byne]

Turbo_J wrote...

Yes, Shepard is the protagonist... if you're looking for a Reaper win.

I'm not saying there isn't a way out of this, we haven't got to the 'end' of Shepard's story just yet, but as it stands, the Reapers have thoroughly manipulated him/her and us into doing their bidding without really 'knowing' it.

The Crucible is a time/energy wasting trap

Shepard gets everyone to follow him/her because they were always right before

Shepard leads everyone into a shooting gallery

Shepard can, in some cases trust enemies and betray friends. There are obvious instances of this with Mordin, Wrex and Legion and their counterparts, but there are also subtle instances as well. Miranda conveniently putting a tracer on Kia Leng? Come on! Traynor? WTF is Liara doing with her time that Traynor finds this stuff in signals and is prodded by EDI of all people to 'give the intel to Shepard? If EDI knew about it, why didn't she report is immediately.

None of these people are likely doing any of this on purpose. They are being manipulated, just like Shepard.

Shepard is fooled into betraying the galaxy, unknowingly.

They are the ultimate sleeper agent. Controlled by the player themselves... to a point. We don't have full control, after all, do we.

As I said... this isn't the end of Shepard's story. You have to believe we're not done yet.

Shepard is the protagonist no matter what actions she takes.

She could have come out at the end of ME1 and stated point blank that her intentions were to do everything in her power to ensure a Reaper victory, and she'd still be the protagonist.

Protagonists are not by definition the good guys.

The hurlock vanguard you play as in Darkspawn Chronicles for DA:O is the DLC's protagonist, but he's clearly not a good guy.

[byne]

D.Sharrah wrote...

I just don't get how come we can't have an adult relationship...I sleep with my wife everynight - regardless of whether or not we are "doing" anything...and I am not saying the Shep and Liara are married - but after three games, they should be closer than one encounter!

Who says Liara's not sleeping in Shep's bed? We only see Shep in it twice, and one of those times Liara is  in the bed with her.

[BansheeOwnage]

D.Sharrah wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

What I want to know is if Liara's (oddly unsed) bed is the same model. Because if it is, it's most likely just the only bed model in the game. So it wouldn't be surprising.

Never understood why Liara wasn't "sleeping" in Shep's cabin for more of the game...

Yeah, considering it's sopposed to take place over several months. After a 6 month gap... and a 2 year gap before that.........

I just don't get how come we can't have an adult relationship...I sleep with my wife everynight - regardless of whether or not we are "doing" anything...and I am not saying the Shep and Liara are married - but after three games, they should be closer than one encounter!

Yeah it's a bit odd. Especially considering the state of the galaxy, what's at stake, and odds of survival.

Probaly would get slammed if they did...I can just see the headlines now, Mass Effect teaches the kids that marriage is not needed....or some other equally stupid drivel.

LOL. Yeah I can see that too. Still I wouldn't have minded Shepard waking up after every dream to your LI if they're on the ship. Even just them being there would be cool.

[D.Sharrah]

byne wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

Yes, Shepard is the protagonist... if you're looking for a Reaper win.

I'm not saying there isn't a way out of this, we haven't got to the 'end' of Shepard's story just yet, but as it stands, the Reapers have thoroughly manipulated him/her and us into doing their bidding without really 'knowing' it.

The Crucible is a time/energy wasting trap

Shepard gets everyone to follow him/her because they were always right before

Shepard leads everyone into a shooting gallery

Shepard can, in some cases trust enemies and betray friends. There are obvious instances of this with Mordin, Wrex and Legion and their counterparts, but there are also subtle instances as well. Miranda conveniently putting a tracer on Kia Leng? Come on! Traynor? WTF is Liara doing with her time that Traynor finds this stuff in signals and is prodded by EDI of all people to 'give the intel to Shepard? If EDI knew about it, why didn't she report is immediately.

None of these people are likely doing any of this on purpose. They are being manipulated, just like Shepard.

Shepard is fooled into betraying the galaxy, unknowingly.

They are the ultimate sleeper agent. Controlled by the player themselves... to a point. We don't have full control, after all, do we.

As I said... this isn't the end of Shepard's story. You have to believe we're not done yet.

Shepard is the protagonist no matter what actions she takes.

She could have come out at the end of ME1 and stated point blank that her intentions were to do everything in her power to ensure a Reaper victory, and she'd still be the protagonist.

Protagonists are not by definition the good guys.

The hurlock vanguard you play as in Darkspawn Chronicles for DA:O is the DLC's protagonist, but he's clearly not a good guy.

Agreed, but most narrative archetypes have protagonist=hero...just saying.  As you pointed out it is not always the case...but what I think Turbo is getting at, is that slowly through the entire series Shep has gone from "hero" to potential "anti-hero"...and the reason we can leave it at that, is b/c we have not seen the outcome of Shep breaking indoctrination.

[BansheeOwnage]

byne wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

I just don't get how come we can't have an adult relationship...I sleep with my wife everynight - regardless of whether or not we are "doing" anything...and I am not saying the Shep and Liara are married - but after three games, they should be closer than one encounter!

Who says Liara's not sleeping in Shep's bed? We only see Shep in it twice, and one of those times Liara is  in the bed with her.

I don't know, she seems so isolated for being in a relationship with you for 3 years, I mean you were considering having children. Which reminds me of all the over-confiming of the relationship with her . Annoying. It was fine in LOTSB. Hell it was cool in LOTSB, but it got a bit excessive in ME3, don't you think? I think we're trying to say the relationships in ME3 (specifically the cross game ones) should be a bit more evolved.

Modifié par BansheeOwnage, 10 juillet 2012 - 04:29 .

[D.Sharrah]

byne wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

I just don't get how come we can't have an adult relationship...I sleep with my wife everynight - regardless of whether or not we are "doing" anything...and I am not saying the Shep and Liara are married - but after three games, they should be closer than one encounter!

Who says Liara's not sleeping in Shep's bed? We only see Shep in it twice, and one of those times Liara is  in the bed with her.

I'm just saying that if we believe this to be a mature relationship - then getting a chance to "see" more of that would be welcomed.

Banshee made an excellent suggestion in the post below yours;

"Still I wouldn't have minded Shepard waking up after every dream to your LI if they're on the ship. Even just them being there would be cool."

[D.Sharrah]

Think its time for bed...good night everyone!

[BansheeOwnage]

D.Sharrah wrote...

Think its time for bed...good night everyone!

Good night. Hopefully your wife will be there if you have any nightmares

[byne]

D.Sharrah wrote...

byne wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

I just don't get how come we can't have an adult relationship...I sleep with my wife everynight - regardless of whether or not we are "doing" anything...and I am not saying the Shep and Liara are married - but after three games, they should be closer than one encounter!

Who says Liara's not sleeping in Shep's bed? We only see Shep in it twice, and one of those times Liara is  in the bed with her.

I'm just saying that if we believe this to be a mature relationship - then getting a chance to "see" more of that would be welcomed.

Banshee made an excellent suggestion in the post below yours;

"Still I wouldn't have minded Shepard waking up after every dream to your LI if they're on the ship. Even just them being there would be cool."

But in one of the three you do, and in another of the three, you're not even sleeping, you're sitting at a coffee table, so they're probably awake in another part of the ship doing important stuff while you daydream.

And unless Liara's your LI, your LI isnt even on board for the first dream, and Liara is busy studying the Crucible.

Plus, my datapad app gave me a message from Liara stating:

Hope you like what I've done with the room. Come back if there's anything else you'd like to do with it...

My Shepard is not an idiot. She would have followed up on that invitation. I think its safe to say they're sleeping together plenty, we just dont see it.

Modifié par byne, 10 juillet 2012 - 04:36 .

[BansheeOwnage]

byne wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

byne wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

I just don't get how come we can't have an adult relationship...I sleep with my wife everynight - regardless of whether or not we are "doing" anything...and I am not saying the Shep and Liara are married - but after three games, they should be closer than one encounter!

Who says Liara's not sleeping in Shep's bed? We only see Shep in it twice, and one of those times Liara is  in the bed with her.

I'm just saying that if we believe this to be a mature relationship - then getting a chance to "see" more of that would be welcomed.

Banshee made an excellent suggestion in the post below yours;

"Still I wouldn't have minded Shepard waking up after every dream to your LI if they're on the ship. Even just them being there would be cool."

But in one of the three you do, and in another of the three, you're not even sleeping, you're sitting at a coffee table, so they're probably awake in another part of the ship doing important stuff while you daydream.

And unless Liara's your LI, your LI isnt even on board for the first dream, and Liara is busy studying the Crucible.

Plus, my datapad app gave me a message from Liara stating:

Hope you like what I've done with the room. Come back if there's anything else you'd like to do with it...

My Shepard is not an idiot. She would have followed up on that invitation. I think its safe to say they're having sleeping together plenty, we just dont see it.

Yeah maybe probably definitely.

Modifié par BansheeOwnage, 10 juillet 2012 - 04:36 .

[masster blaster]

So since we have talked about Tali, and Liara. Should we talk about Ashley.

[zigamortis]

Turbo_J wrote...

From my edit above...

Yes, Shepard is the protagonist... if you're looking for a Reaper win.

I'm not saying there isn't a way out of this, we haven't got to the 'end' of Shepard's story just yet, but as it stands, the Reapers have thoroughly manipulated him/her and us into doing their bidding without really 'knowing' it.

The Crucible is a time/energy wasting trap

Shepard gets everyone to follow him/her because they were always right before

Shepard leads everyone into a shooting gallery

Shepard can, in some cases trust enemies and betray friends. There are obvious instances of this with Mordin, Wrex and Legion and their counterparts, but there are also subtle instances as well. Miranda conveniently putting a tracer on Kia Leng? Come on! Traynor? WTF is Liara doing with her time that Traynor finds this stuff in signals and is prodded by EDI of all people to 'give the intel to Shepard? If EDI knew about it, why didn't she report is immediately.

None of these people are likely doing any of this on purpose. They are being manipulated, just like Shepard.

Shepard is fooled into betraying the galaxy, unknowingly.

They are the ultimate sleeper agent. Controlled by the player themselves... to a point. We don't have full control, after all, do we.

As I said... this isn't the end of Shepard's story. You have to believe we're not done yet.

So your saying that we are jack from bioshock?

[byne]

masster blaster wrote...

So since we have talked about Tali, and Liara. Should we talk about Ashley.

Nah.

[BansheeOwnage]

masster blaster wrote...

So since we have talked about Tali, and Liara. Should we talk about Ashley.

No offence but I really don't like Ashley. Good thing I can just save Kaidan he's much nicer. We could talk about her if you want though.

[byne]

zigamortis wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

From my edit above...

Yes, Shepard is the protagonist... if you're looking for a Reaper win.

I'm not saying there isn't a way out of this, we haven't got to the 'end' of Shepard's story just yet, but as it stands, the Reapers have thoroughly manipulated him/her and us into doing their bidding without really 'knowing' it.

The Crucible is a time/energy wasting trap

Shepard gets everyone to follow him/her because they were always right before

Shepard leads everyone into a shooting gallery

Shepard can, in some cases trust enemies and betray friends. There are obvious instances of this with Mordin, Wrex and Legion and their counterparts, but there are also subtle instances as well. Miranda conveniently putting a tracer on Kia Leng? Come on! Traynor? WTF is Liara doing with her time that Traynor finds this stuff in signals and is prodded by EDI of all people to 'give the intel to Shepard? If EDI knew about it, why didn't she report is immediately.

None of these people are likely doing any of this on purpose. They are being manipulated, just like Shepard.

Shepard is fooled into betraying the galaxy, unknowingly.

They are the ultimate sleeper agent. Controlled by the player themselves... to a point. We don't have full control, after all, do we.

As I said... this isn't the end of Shepard's story. You have to believe we're not done yet.

So your saying that we are jack from bioshock?

Would you kindly jump into that beam of energy and get vaporized?

[BansheeOwnage]

byne wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

So since we have talked about Tali, and Liara. Should we talk about Ashley.

Nah.

Hey Byne what's you opinion of Ash?

[estebanus]

masster blaster wrote...

So since we have talked about Tali, and Liara. Should we talk about Ashley.

[BleedingUranium]

@Banshee & Byne

Off topic, but did either of you notice the two other AIs listed on the board in the new RvB? Xi and Iota. Considering the board confirms all the AIs that were made in PF, that they're the only two we don't know, and that the only known AIs so far unnamed are Carolina's two... yeah, same two.

Also, if you look at the AIs around Delta when he's taken in S6, and the same group of AIs at the end of S6, you'll notice that both Theta and Sigma are there, which means that Xi and Iota are the freaky looking yellow one, and the blue human one, though we don't know which is which yet. That also confirms Maine got every AI fragment except Epsilon.

What's also interesting is that the Tex AI doesn't appear either time, just the fragments. 

[estebanus]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

So since we have talked about Tali, and Liara. Should we talk about Ashley.

No offence but I really don't like Ashley. Good thing I can just save Kaidan he's much nicer. We could talk about her if you want though.

I liked Ashley more in ME1, but Kaidan was awesome in ME3! 

[masster blaster]

byne wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

So since we have talked about Tali, and Liara. Should we talk about Ashley.

Nah.

Hey at least Ash gived a dame about Shepard, and if Ash is Shepard's LI it's pretty romantic how Shepard act's perenord once She get's hurt. Also She had every right to be pissed of at Shepard.

[BansheeOwnage]

BleedingUranium wrote...

@Banshee & Byne

Off topic, but did either of you notice the two other AIs listed on the board in the new RvB? Xi and Iota. Considering the board confirms all the AIs that were made in PF, that they're the only two we don't know, and that the only known AIs so far unnamed are Carolina's two... yeah, same two.

Also, if you look at the AIs around Delta when he's taken in S6, and the same group of AIs at the end of S6, you'll notice that both Theta and Sigma are there, which means that Xi and Iota are the freaky looking yellow one, and the blue human one, though we don't know which is which yet. That also confirms Maine got every AI fragment except Epsilon.

What's also interesting is that the Tex AI doesn't appear either time, just the fragments. 

Huh I didn't see that board, but I read the rampancy one. This was a really cool episode. Wash is awesome.

[masster blaster]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

So since we have talked about Tali, and Liara. Should we talk about Ashley.

No offence but I really don't like Ashley. Good thing I can just save Kaidan he's much nicer. We could talk about her if you want though.

Why do you hate her. She's not all that bad once you get to know her. Also she is not rude to aliens anymore.

[zigamortis]

byne wrote...

zigamortis wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

From my edit above...

Yes, Shepard is the protagonist... if you're looking for a Reaper win.

I'm not saying there isn't a way out of this, we haven't got to the 'end' of Shepard's story just yet, but as it stands, the Reapers have thoroughly manipulated him/her and us into doing their bidding without really 'knowing' it.

The Crucible is a time/energy wasting trap

Shepard gets everyone to follow him/her because they were always right before

Shepard leads everyone into a shooting gallery

Shepard can, in some cases trust enemies and betray friends. There are obvious instances of this with Mordin, Wrex and Legion and their counterparts, but there are also subtle instances as well. Miranda conveniently putting a tracer on Kia Leng? Come on! Traynor? WTF is Liara doing with her time that Traynor finds this stuff in signals and is prodded by EDI of all people to 'give the intel to Shepard? If EDI knew about it, why didn't she report is immediately.

None of these people are likely doing any of this on purpose. They are being manipulated, just like Shepard.

Shepard is fooled into betraying the galaxy, unknowingly.

They are the ultimate sleeper agent. Controlled by the player themselves... to a point. We don't have full control, after all, do we.

As I said... this isn't the end of Shepard's story. You have to believe we're not done yet.

So your saying that we are jack from bioshock?

Would you kindly jump into that beam of energy and get vaporized?

Go away atlas!