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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark II!


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#43101
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Rifneno wrote...

Oh that's just hateful.  The average player is in NO way suited for Reapers Gold.  Hell, the above average player is in no way suited for Reapers Gold.


I agree.  And they're going to be flooding the Gold ranks over that challenge weekend.  Including myself, perhaps once or twice just to contribute, and I really don't have any business being in Gold. (laughs)

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Rifneno wrote...

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Operation Broadside announced for this weekend!
http://blog.bioware....tion-broadside/


Squad Goal: Extract at least one squad member against Reapers on Gold difficulty

Oh that's just hateful.  The average player is in NO way suited for Reapers Gold.  Hell, the above average player is in no way suited for Reapers Gold.


Last one was super easy though. Only had to extract on silver with a combination of certain races. They're probably going to alternate between easy and hard squad goals. Seems fair to me. 

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DrTsoni wrote...

My, quite a lot of negativity towards Ash. I really like her...
Anyway, could I maybe get on that list? Pretty, pretty please? <3


Everyone goes on the list.

Oh and as nice a guy as Kaidan is, Ash will always be my survivor.

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Rifneno wrote...

Hmm. Watching the conduit run with Shepard dodging beams on the run down, something occurs me....

Harbinger has reach, but Shepard has flexibility.


Made me giggle far more than it should have.

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I wonder if there is going be a similar extraction objective with some future OP weekend after Earth MP DLC is out. Like: extract Shepard from the rubble.


Now THAT would be telling, wouldn't it? ;)

Yup, especially stated so explicitly that it would immediately and unambigously prove IT.

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paxxton wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

paxxton wrote...

I wonder if there is going be a similar extraction objective with some future OP weekend after Earth MP DLC is out. Like: extract Shepard from the rubble.


Now THAT would be telling, wouldn't it? ;)

Yup, especially stated so explicitly that it would immediately and unambigously prove IT.


I dunno, if I was playing MP and got a package delivery mission and ran over to find Shepard's broken body was the package, I think I'd know I was just dreaming. <_<

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I really don't want to spend any time digging through "analysis" or taking the time to create my own. So I will simply say that from information I have seen and from my experience playing the game, it is my conclusion that the Indoctrination Theory is hogwash. While Shepard had more exposure to reaper artifacts than most galaxy inhabitants, his exposure to indoctrination sources was short term. He exhibits little signs of being indoctrinated up until the event with Anderson and the Illusive Man at the Citadel in the end game. I expect that the theory is driven by the disappointment many felt about the ending, and enabled by deficits in critical thinking skills.

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byne wrote...

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Banshee you are on it everyone is but me. I checked it twice not one little thing but everyone else is on there.


There, I put you on there too.

But thats the last edit I'm gonna make to the list. I didnt come up with it, so I dont feel right editing it.



_______________________________________________________________________________________________

Anyone below this line that tells me their name isnt on the list will have been too late. As Mr. Woo would say, end of line.


Don't worry about putting people on the list, I absolutely need help and lots of it, so have no compunctions about doing so.

We have alot of people to add.

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b23h wrote...

I really don't want to spend any time digging through "analysis" or taking the time to create my own. So I will simply say that from information I have seen and from my experience playing the game, it is my conclusion that the Indoctrination Theory is hogwash. While Shepard had more exposure to reaper artifacts than most galaxy inhabitants, his exposure to indoctrination sources was short term. He exhibits little signs of being indoctrinated up until the event with Anderson and the Illusive Man at the Citadel in the end game. I expect that the theory is driven by the disappointment many felt about the ending, and enabled by deficits in critical thinking skills.


You are not too observant are you?

In any case, thanks for registering your opinion. We'll take it into consideration for approximately a split second before deciding to continue our activites without being discouraged by your profound comments. 

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HellishFiend wrote...

b23h wrote...

I really don't want to spend any time digging through "analysis" or taking the time to create my own. So I will simply say that from information I have seen and from my experience playing the game, it is my conclusion that the Indoctrination Theory is hogwash. While Shepard had more exposure to reaper artifacts than most galaxy inhabitants, his exposure to indoctrination sources was short term. He exhibits little signs of being indoctrinated up until the event with Anderson and the Illusive Man at the Citadel in the end game. I expect that the theory is driven by the disappointment many felt about the ending, and enabled by deficits in critical thinking skills.


You are not too observant are you?

In any case, thanks for registering your opinion. We'll take it into consideration for approximately a split second before deciding to continue our activites without being discouraged by your profound comments. 


You even read that drivel after the first sentence where he said "I don't want to bother thinking"?

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b23h wrote...

I really don't want to spend any time digging through "analysis" or taking the time to create my own. So I will simply say that from information I have seen and from my experience playing the game, it is my conclusion that the Indoctrination Theory is hogwash. While Shepard had more exposure to reaper artifacts than most galaxy inhabitants, his exposure to indoctrination sources was short term. He exhibits little signs of being indoctrinated up until the event with Anderson and the Illusive Man at the Citadel in the end game. I expect that the theory is driven by the disappointment many felt about the ending, and enabled by deficits in critical thinking skills.


So basically, you think the IT is hogwash, because you don't like to think too hard?  Well, that might explain a lot, actually.  You know, like why you decided to come into the IT THREAD and tell us this.

Also, congratulations!  You just made me want to redouble the effort that I put into my schoolwork!  Thanks a lot!

Modifié par Dwailing, 10 juillet 2012 - 05:47 .


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HellishFiend wrote...

Loving the fact that MP Earth DLC is coming next week. Cant wait!


Wait, that's been confirmed as true?


http://social.biowar...ndex/13057857/2

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Rifneno wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

b23h wrote...

I really don't want to spend any time digging through "analysis" or taking the time to create my own. So I will simply say that from information I have seen and from my experience playing the game, it is my conclusion that the Indoctrination Theory is hogwash. While Shepard had more exposure to reaper artifacts than most galaxy inhabitants, his exposure to indoctrination sources was short term. He exhibits little signs of being indoctrinated up until the event with Anderson and the Illusive Man at the Citadel in the end game. I expect that the theory is driven by the disappointment many felt about the ending, and enabled by deficits in critical thinking skills.


You are not too observant are you?

In any case, thanks for registering your opinion. We'll take it into consideration for approximately a split second before deciding to continue our activites without being discouraged by your profound comments. 


You even read that drivel after the first sentence where he said "I don't want to bother thinking"?


What can I say, I'm in an easily-amused mood today. You know me, I usually dont even read those posts, let alone respond. 

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b23h wrote...

I really don't want to spend any time digging through "analysis" or taking the time to create my own. So I will simply say that from information I have seen and from my experience playing the game, it is my conclusion that the Indoctrination Theory is hogwash. While Shepard had more exposure to reaper artifacts than most galaxy inhabitants, his exposure to indoctrination sources was short term. He exhibits little signs of being indoctrinated up until the event with Anderson and the Illusive Man at the Citadel in the end game. I expect that the theory is driven by the disappointment many felt about the ending, and enabled by deficits in critical thinking skills.


Well, Shepard isn't indocrinated, the reapers have been slowly trying to indocrinate him...  The final run to the beam and all that follows is the last ditch attempt of the reapers trying to fully indocrinating him.  The player ultimately makes the choice on wether or not the player and Shepard get indoctrinated.

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b23h wrote...

I really don't want to spend any time digging through "analysis" or taking the time to create my own. So I will simply say that from information I have seen and from my experience playing the game, it is my conclusion that the Indoctrination Theory is hogwash. While Shepard had more exposure to reaper artifacts than most galaxy inhabitants, his exposure to indoctrination sources was short term. He exhibits little signs of being indoctrinated up until the event with Anderson and the Illusive Man at the Citadel in the end game. I expect that the theory is driven by the disappointment many felt about the ending, and enabled by deficits in critical thinking skills.


The troubleis that you've ignored all the evidence we have provided, so what's the point in reading your post unless you can explain them without IT?

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Hi everyone! Haven't been here since looking up clues in music/sounds of ME3. What did I missed?

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b23h wrote...

I really don't want to spend any time digging through "analysis" or taking the time to create my own. So I will simply say that from information I have seen and from my experience playing the game, it is my conclusion that the Indoctrination Theory is hogwash. While Shepard had more exposure to reaper artifacts than most galaxy inhabitants, his exposure to indoctrination sources was short term. He exhibits little signs of being indoctrinated up until the event with Anderson and the Illusive Man at the Citadel in the end game. I expect that the theory is driven by the disappointment many felt about the ending, and enabled by deficits in critical thinking skills.

Accumulation is the word you need to consider. The effects of many short-term encounters with Reaper tech sum up.

Modifié par paxxton, 10 juillet 2012 - 05:53 .


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HellishFiend wrote...

b23h wrote...

I really don't want to spend any time digging through "analysis" or taking the time to create my own. So I will simply say that from information I have seen and from my experience playing the game, it is my conclusion that the Indoctrination Theory is hogwash. While Shepard had more exposure to reaper artifacts than most galaxy inhabitants, his exposure to indoctrination sources was short term. He exhibits little signs of being indoctrinated up until the event with Anderson and the Illusive Man at the Citadel in the end game. I expect that the theory is driven by the disappointment many felt about the ending, and enabled by deficits in critical thinking skills.


You are not too observant are you?

In any case, thanks for registering your opinion. We'll take it into consideration for approximately a split second before deciding to continue our activites without being discouraged by your profound comments. 




Given you clearly think there are signs of indoctrination earlier, then list what you see as signs of indoctrination. 

However I what I note is that Shepard was actively killing reaper forces and acting to thwart reaper plans throughout the Mass Effect series and up to the very end of Mass Effect 3.  Despite my concerns with the end of Mass Effect 3; if I were to accept the premise of IT, that the ending was a hallucination, it would break the story for me.  It would break the story more than the original ending of ME3.  The IT theory represents for me something like a cheesy Star Trek holodeck episode (and I am a Star Trek fan), or one of those frakking dream sequences that don’t really happen that I hate to see on any program.   Oh, yeah- that’s explicitly what the claim is, it was all a dream.    No, that is too cheesy.

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I love the " I can't be bothered to read up fully on IT , but your wrong" people, makes me smile :)
Sadly seems to be most of the people coming into the thread to say we are wrong.

This is what I see it like

Someone reads a book makes a comment to friend " The ending twist of this book was really good"
Friend says "I'm only halfway done but your wrong."
I would just ignore what else that friend has to say about the book at that point, why bother.

Meanwhile that friends said " I've read the book and I think your wrong"
I would be more apt to listen to what his opinion was.

#43120
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b23h wrote...

Given you clearly think there are signs of indoctrination earlier, then list what you see as signs of indoctrination. 


Read the thread, don't be lazy.  Its even condenced onto page one.

Not to mention you've made the classic mistake of thinking the process of being indoctrinated is the same as the state of being indoctrinated.  Its like the difference between dying and being dead.

We're pretty bored of people coming in here, blabbing rubbish and then expecting everyone to run around and do the hard for for them.  Its not intellectual stimulating for anyone.

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b23h wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

You are not too observant are you?

In any case, thanks for registering your opinion. We'll take it into consideration for approximately a split second before deciding to continue our activites without being discouraged by your profound comments. 


Given you clearly think there are signs of indoctrination earlier, then list what you see as signs of indoctrination. 

However I what I note is that Shepard was actively killing reaper forces and acting to thwart reaper plans throughout the Mass Effect series and up to the very end of Mass Effect 3.  Despite my concerns with the end of Mass Effect 3; if I were to accept the premise of IT, that the ending was a hallucination, it would break the story for me.  It would break the story more than the original ending of ME3.  The IT theory represents for me something like a cheesy Star Trek holodeck episode (and I am a Star Trek fan), or one of those frakking dream sequences that don’t really happen that I hate to see on any program.   Oh, yeah- that’s explicitly what the claim is, it was all a dream.    No, that is too cheesy.


Give me a list of reasons why I should list things for you? I dont care whether you believe or not. 

#43122
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Yeah explaining the same things over and over again that are already explained in the videos and write ups gets old real quick. Nothing personal just don't like doing it day after day after day.

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I ask and demand answers NOW! Why is the Catalyst in such a hurry, huh? Huh!? Posted Image
http://www.youtube.c...iK1D1tY#t=1426s
http://www.youtube.c...iK1D1tY#t=1702s

Modifié par paxxton, 10 juillet 2012 - 06:06 .


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All those who are saying that I do not wish to think are of course missing the point. I state that I hardly wish to dig through what I am calling "analysis", and that what is enabling the theory is a deficit in critical thinking skills.

So clearly I am calling into question the quality of the work going on here. That is not to say that I do not wish to think, only that I don't want to waste my time with low quality work.

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Huh!?

paxxton wrote...

I ask and demand answers NOW! Why is the Catalyst in such a hurry, huh? Huh!? Posted Image
http://www.youtube.c...iK1D1tY#t=1426s
http://www.youtube.c...iK1D1tY#t=1702s


Modifié par paxxton, 10 juillet 2012 - 06:08 .