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[Priss Blackburne]

b23h wrote...
 if I were to accept the premise of IT, that the ending was a hallucination, it would break the story for me.  It would break the story more than the original ending of ME3.  The IT theory represents for me something like a cheesy Star Trek holodeck episode (and I am a Star Trek fan), or one of those frakking dream sequences that don’t really happen that I hate to see on any program.   Oh, yeah- that’s explicitly what the claim is, it was all a dream.    No, that is too cheesy.

I certainly respect this opinion I would like to add however

[Andromidius]

b23h wrote...

All those who are saying that I do not wish to think are of course missing the point. I state that I hardly wish to dig through what I am calling "analysis", and that what is enabling the theory is a deficit in critical thinking skills.

So clearly I am calling into question the quality of the work going on here. That is not to say that I do not wish to think, only that I don't want to waste my time with low quality work.

Bloody hell...

Seriously, leave right now.  You have no interest in debate, no interest in analyse, no interest in thinking.  You don't belong here.  There's nothing for you here.

[Riot86]

Just read through the last few pages and stumbled across this:

TSA_383 wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Almost
like *gasp* one needs to look at the situation and decide a reasonable
outcome rather than just picking something because it's blue.

A good example of this is whether to let Javik look into the memory chip or not.

I
really hate that BioWare made it so you had to have 100% in either
direction to make Tthe Illusive Man off himself in the ending. My canon
75%/25% Paragade would've loved the satisfaction. 

I let him on my last playthrough [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/pinched.png[/smilie] Not just for the red/blue reasons, but it seemed like the right thing to do at the time... [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/uncertain.png[/smilie]

Do I understand that correctly:
You need to be 100% Paragon/Renegade to get the chance to talk TIM into suicide? I always thought that in ME 3 the Reputation Bar (= Paragon + Renegade points) would determine which charm or intimidate options you would get. Meaning that even a neutral Shepard would have access to all the charm and intimidate option if his Reputation Bar is full. 

I ask this because my Shepard was only 90% Paragon and I was able to make TIM do the Saren...and now I'm confused

Modifié par Riot86, 10 juillet 2012 - 06:10 .

[Priss Blackburne]

b23h wrote...

All those who are saying that I do not wish to think are of course missing the point. I state that I hardly wish to dig through what I am calling "analysis", and that what is enabling the theory is a deficit in critical thinking skills.

So clearly I am calling into question the quality of the work going on here. That is not to say that I do not wish to think, only that I don't want to waste my time with low quality work.

that...makes little sense..you don't want to read the analysis...but you call into question it's quality?

[Rosewind]

Arian Dynas wrote...

DrTsoni wrote...

My, quite a lot of negativity towards Ash. I really like her...
Anyway, could I maybe get on that list? Pretty, pretty please? <3

Everyone goes on the list.

Oh and as nice a guy as Kaidan is, Ash will always be my survivor.

I hate ash, did an alive play through with her in ME3 and it was like torture......

[Priss Blackburne]

Rosewind wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

DrTsoni wrote...

My, quite a lot of negativity towards Ash. I really like her...
Anyway, could I maybe get on that list? Pretty, pretty please? <3

Everyone goes on the list.

Oh and as nice a guy as Kaidan is, Ash will always be my survivor.

I hate ash, did an alive play through with her in ME3 and it was like torture......

To be honest...I didn't like talking to any of them

[HellishFiend]

b23h wrote...

All those who are saying that I do not wish to think are of course missing the point. I state that I hardly wish to dig through what I am calling "analysis", and that what is enabling the theory is a deficit in critical thinking skills.

So clearly I am calling into question the quality of the work going on here. That is not to say that I do not wish to think, only that I don't want to waste my time with low quality work.

Thanks for the laughs, dude. 

[MaximizedAction]

b23h wrote...

All those who are saying that I do not wish to think are of course missing the point. I state that I hardly wish to dig through what I am calling "analysis", and that what is enabling the theory is a deficit in critical thinking skills.

So clearly I am calling into question the quality of the work going on here. That is not to say that I do not wish to think, only that I don't want to waste my time with low quality work.

Trolling, much? I respect your time, but not your 'critical doubt' about critical thinking.

If it's a sum up you wish, then feel free to take a look at Parabolee's masseffectindoctrination.blogspot.de/

[Rosewind]

b23h wrote...

All those who are saying that I do not wish to think are of course missing the point. I state that I hardly wish to dig through what I am calling "analysis", and that what is enabling the theory is a deficit in critical thinking skills.

So clearly I am calling into question the quality of the work going on here. That is not to say that I do not wish to think, only that I don't want to waste my time with low quality work.

You seem like such a lovely person to, oh well no monocle for you.....

[dreamgazer]

Riot86 wrote...

Do I understand that correctly:
You need to be 100% Paragon/Renegade to get the chance to talk TIM into suicide? I always thought that in ME 3 the Reputation Bar (= Paragon + Renegade points) would determine which charm or intimidate options you would get. Meaning that even a neutral Shepard would have access to all the charm and intimidate option if his Reputation Bar is full. 

I ask this because my Shepard was only 90% Paragon and I was able to make TIM do the Saren...and now I'm confused

It's apparently not as I assumed: it has to do with selecting the proper charm/intimidate options during the TIM conversations. I'm still not entirely sure how it works, but it apparently has to do with cherry-picking the right ones and sticking with a side.  Hopefully, I'll be able to swing it with this next play-through.

Modifié par dreamgazer, 10 juillet 2012 - 06:18 .

[Rosewind]

Priss Blackburne wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

DrTsoni wrote...

My, quite a lot of negativity towards Ash. I really like her...
Anyway, could I maybe get on that list? Pretty, pretty please? <3

Everyone goes on the list.

Oh and as nice a guy as Kaidan is, Ash will always be my survivor.

I hate ash, did an alive play through with her in ME3 and it was like torture......

To be honest...I didn't like talking to any of them

I like Kaidan he my shep's LI but my god he is whinney I rather Vega honestly. I would never date such a guy in rl lol I meant to be the sensative one in the relationship not him ><!

[Riot86]

dreamgazer wrote...

Riot86 wrote...

Do I understand that correctly:
You need to be 100% Paragon/Renegade to get the chance to talk TIM into suicide? I always thought that in ME 3 the Reputation Bar (= Paragon + Renegade points) would determine which charm or intimidate options you would get. Meaning that even a neutral Shepard would have access to all the charm and intimidate option if his Reputation Bar is full. 

I ask this because my Shepard was only 90% Paragon and I was able to make TIM do the Saren...and now I'm confused

It's apparently not as I assumed: it has to do with selecting the proper charm/intimidate options during the TIM conversations. I'm still not entirely sure how it works, but it apparently has to do with selecting the proper charm/intimidate options.  Hopefully, I'll be able to swing it with this next play-through.

Aaaahhh...now I get it...I guess
Thanks for the quick reply!

So that means I have to pick the right options during the conversations on Mars and on Cronos Station to be get the final charm/intimidate options on the Citadel?

(That's a little bit similar to how charming/intimidating Saren on Virmire would affect/lower the required Charm or Intimidate level to talk him into suicide, isn't it?)

Modifié par Riot86, 10 juillet 2012 - 06:20 .

[Rosewind]

dreamgazer wrote...

Riot86 wrote...

Do I understand that correctly:
You need to be 100% Paragon/Renegade to get the chance to talk TIM into suicide? I always thought that in ME 3 the Reputation Bar (= Paragon + Renegade points) would determine which charm or intimidate options you would get. Meaning that even a neutral Shepard would have access to all the charm and intimidate option if his Reputation Bar is full. 

I ask this because my Shepard was only 90% Paragon and I was able to make TIM do the Saren...and now I'm confused

It's apparently not as I assumed: it has to do with selecting the proper charm/intimidate options during the TIM conversations. I'm still not entirely sure how it works, but it apparently has to do with selecting the proper charm/intimidate options.  Hopefully, I'll be able to swing it with this next play-through.

I think you have to pick the same type every time you speak to him like paragon option every time or renegade option you can not vary I think anyway.
My be done that way to make it not so easy to do it, because come on it was easy to get Saren to do it.

[b23h]

MaximizedAction wrote...

b23h wrote...

All those who are saying that I do not wish to think are of course missing the point. I state that I hardly wish to dig through what I am calling "analysis", and that what is enabling the theory is a deficit in critical thinking skills.

So clearly I am calling into question the quality of the work going on here. That is not to say that I do not wish to think, only that I don't want to waste my time with low quality work.

Trolling, much? I respect your time, but not your 'critical doubt' about critical thinking.

If it's a sum up you wish, then feel free to take a look at Parabolee's masseffectindoctrination.blogspot.de/

Thank you for the link.   I have seen video on the IT theory before.   I will check out the blog you've linked to.    However so far from my exposure to IT (and it a fallacy to assume that I have none), it does not seems compelling to me.

[Cecilia L]

Just checkin in...

and while I'm here-

@Rosewind and dreamgazer - Fabulous banners!

That's all for now.

[DiebytheSword]

Rosewind wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

Riot86 wrote...

Do I understand that correctly:
You need to be 100% Paragon/Renegade to get the chance to talk TIM into suicide? I always thought that in ME 3 the Reputation Bar (= Paragon + Renegade points) would determine which charm or intimidate options you would get. Meaning that even a neutral Shepard would have access to all the charm and intimidate option if his Reputation Bar is full. 

I ask this because my Shepard was only 90% Paragon and I was able to make TIM do the Saren...and now I'm confused

It's apparently not as I assumed: it has to do with selecting the proper charm/intimidate options during the TIM conversations. I'm still not entirely sure how it works, but it apparently has to do with selecting the proper charm/intimidate options.  Hopefully, I'll be able to swing it with this next play-through.

I think you have to pick the same type every time you speak to him like paragon option every time or renegade option you can not vary I think anyway.
My be done that way to make it not so easy to do it, because come on it was easy to get Saren to do it.

Perhaps in the final conversation, but throughout the game (on my last playthrough) I was able to get him to kill himself with max influence and alternating renegade and paragon responses. As I said though, at the end of the game, I went straight paragon during the confrontation.

[Rosewind]

paxxton wrote...

I ask and demand answers NOW! Why is the Catalyst in such a hurry, huh? Huh!?
http://www.youtube.c...iK1D1tY#t=1426s
http://www.youtube.c...iK1D1tY#t=1702s

Maybe he needs to pee......

[Riot86]

Rosewind wrote...

I think you have to pick the same type every time you speak to him like paragon option every time or renegade option you can not vary I think anyway.
My be done that way to make it not so easy to do it, because come on it was easy to get Saren to do it.

I pretty sure I always used the charm options during my conversations with TIM and I could have sworn that I had both, the final charm and intimidate option, available on the Citadel.

But now I'm not so sure anymore, especially since I always charmed TIM into suicide and never picked a Renegade choice during the whole conversation....

Mmmh...have to check this out again tomorrow I guess

Modifié par Riot86, 10 juillet 2012 - 06:29 .

[paxxton]

LOL. That tone was obviously a joke. But the point is valid that the Catalyst is counting seconds.

[BansheeOwnage]

What's going on people? I heard about the Earth DLC!  Time to start saving credits so I can buy lots of packs when it comes out!

[Rosewind]

DiebytheSword wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

Riot86 wrote...

Do I understand that correctly:
You need to be 100% Paragon/Renegade to get the chance to talk TIM into suicide? I always thought that in ME 3 the Reputation Bar (= Paragon + Renegade points) would determine which charm or intimidate options you would get. Meaning that even a neutral Shepard would have access to all the charm and intimidate option if his Reputation Bar is full. 

I ask this because my Shepard was only 90% Paragon and I was able to make TIM do the Saren...and now I'm confused

It's apparently not as I assumed: it has to do with selecting the proper charm/intimidate options during the TIM conversations. I'm still not entirely sure how it works, but it apparently has to do with selecting the proper charm/intimidate options.  Hopefully, I'll be able to swing it with this next play-through.

I think you have to pick the same type every time you speak to him like paragon option every time or renegade option you can not vary I think anyway.
My be done that way to make it not so easy to do it, because come on it was easy to get Saren to do it.

Perhaps in the final conversation, but throughout the game (on my last playthrough) I was able to get him to kill himself with max influence and alternating renegade and paragon responses. As I said though, at the end of the game, I went straight paragon during the confrontation.

Really? Because I did that to with 90% paragon in his last convo and it was greyed out for me. Maybe you have to pick the same ones if your not maxed?

[paxxton]

Rosewind wrote...

paxxton wrote...

I ask and demand answers NOW! Why is the Catalyst in such a hurry, huh? Huh!?
http://www.youtube.c...iK1D1tY#t=1426s
http://www.youtube.c...iK1D1tY#t=1702s

Maybe he needs to pee......

I didn't see any toilets on the way so perhaps he'll have a long walk till he finds one. Or perhaps he uses diapers which would mean there is another reason for him being in a hurry.

Modifié par paxxton, 10 juillet 2012 - 06:34 .

[BansheeOwnage]

b23h wrote...
 if I were to accept the premise of IT, that the ending was a hallucination, it would break the story for me.  It would break the story more than the original ending of ME3.  The IT theory represents for me something like a cheesy Star Trek holodeck episode (and I am a Star Trek fan), or one of those frakking dream sequences that don’t really happen that I hate to see on any program.   Oh, yeah- that’s explicitly what the claim is, it was all a dream.    No, that is too cheesy.

I stopped reading at "IT theory". I'd like to think it's a respectable bottom line. (Read in renegade Femshep voice)

Edit: Top of page?

Modifié par BansheeOwnage, 10 juillet 2012 - 06:38 .

[masster blaster]

masster blaster wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

UltimateTobi wrote...

Good point. Never thought about that. But it makes sense. In no ME you were able to kill a friend with a Renegade option. In ME3 you do.

And even let Samara kill herself with non-Paragon-action her. And her daughter later per Renegade decision.

(And, everytime someone shot in his/her own head, blood was flying all over the place, except when TIM shot in his own head. There was no blood. I know, old evidence, just wanted to repeat it in that context.)

Ya but that was a non cut Scene with the option appering, and this was big and we all though Wrex was going to kill Shepard if we don"t calm Wrex down. Also It's the cure for his people so ya I would want it so badly i would try to fight anyone who would try to destroy it.

Also Mordin shot in the Back just like Saren did to Nilus. Shot in the back.

Also killing Legion like that. three shots to the head. the HEAD. and not once did Shepard say I am sorry to Legion about this, but come on. Also Mordin was trying to save the Krogan, and even admites that it's his fault and want's to correct it.

Don't you see Bioware is letting the Player Indoctrinate Shepard, by influensing Shepard to kill his/her friends, which we could not do personaly in ME2 that Shepard DID not somebody else, but Shepard alone.

Yeah everyone noticed the transition from ME1/ME2 renegade to ME3-murderous-psychopath-renegade but I never thought of a reason for it. "...manipulating the victim into betraying friends,

trusting enemies,

or viewing the reaper itself in superstitious awe."
http://t1.gstatic.co...7FpQJOivD7ABQ-Q

Motherofgod.
Fridge brilliance!

It's only yesterday that I saw on youtube what Shep could do on a Renegade playthrough. And together with master's comment...wow, Shep's totally in Saren mode -- the only thing missing is him explaining to everyone how trusting and siding with the Reapers is the 'right thing'.

yep and right now I am look for Indoctrination on Paragon right now so we will see if Paragon is no tainted with Reaper mind tactics.

So far it looks like Paragon for Indoctrination is none of the triats that indoc has, however Shepard's stress level is high than Shepard was during the Skilien Blitzs, and EdI is readying through Shepard's Armor, so ya not much for Paragon, but I will keep looking.

read it B23h

Modifié par masster blaster, 10 juillet 2012 - 06:34 .