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[smokingotter1]

leonia42 wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Hmm. Watching the conduit run with Shepard dodging beams on the run down, something occurs me....

Harbinger has reach, but Shepard has flexibility.

Made me giggle far more than it should have.

...which is why it's important to always establish a safeword. An example: "destroy"

[BansheeOwnage]

masster blaster wrote...

*snip*

read it B23h

Hey it's my post again cool!

[b23h]

http://masseffectind...n.blogspot.com/

Blog so far is still giving me the impression that people disliked the ending enough to dig through plot holes and inconsistencies and thereby created IT. There are issues there that I concur are problems; such as why the Catalyst seems to be the same boy who appears to be a theme throughout ME3.

However to repeat, for me IT has more negative consequences than the plot holes that it supposedly fixes.

Modifié par b23h, 10 juillet 2012 - 06:42 .

[BansheeOwnage]

b23h wrote...

http://masseffectind...n.blogspot.com/

Blog so far is still giving me the impression that people disliked the ending enought to dig through plot holes and inconsistencies and thereby created IT. There are issues there that I concur are problems; such as why the Catalyst seems to be the same boy who appears to be a theme throughout ME3.

However to repeat, for me IT has more negative consequences than the plot holes that it supposedly fixes.

That's purely subjective. We think it would be awesome, you don't. That's beside the point. IT's viability is not subjective.

[BansheeOwnage]

smokingotter1 wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Hmm. Watching the conduit run with Shepard dodging beams on the run down, something occurs me....

Harbinger has reach, but Shepard has flexibility.

Made me giggle far more than it should have.

...which is why it's important to always establish a safeword. An example: "destroy"

Man Harby won't stop sexually harassing Shepard.
PRESERVE SHEPARD'S BODY   ಠಠಠ_ಠಠಠ

Edit: I swear this thread slows down immediately upon my arrival

Modifié par BansheeOwnage, 10 juillet 2012 - 06:45 .

[Rosewind]

b23h wrote...

http://masseffectind...n.blogspot.com/

Blog so far is still giving me the impression that people disliked the ending enought to dig through plot holes and inconsistencies and thereby created IT. There are issues there that I concur are problems; such as why the Catalyst seems to be the same boy who appears to be a theme throughout ME3.

However to repeat, for me IT has more negative consequences than the plot holes that it supposedly fixes.

Best way to explain it is you know the Geth consensus mission with Legion, how Legion says that Shepard is seeing things that are familiar to him/her. It is kinda like that the catalyst is appearing as something Shepard's mind has been focusing on i.e. the Little Boy. Why choose the little boy I don't know, why not Vimire victim or some one Shepard trusts.

[smokingotter1]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

smokingotter1 wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Hmm. Watching the conduit run with Shepard dodging beams on the run down, something occurs me....

Harbinger has reach, but Shepard has flexibility.

Made me giggle far more than it should have.

...which is why it's important to always establish a safeword. An example: "destroy"

Man Harby won't stop sexually harassing Shepard.
PRESERVE SHEPARD'S BODY   ಠಠಠ_ಠಠಠ

Harbinger: "struggle if you wish, your mind will be mine"
Shepard: lol "no" (shoots at tube, it explodes)
Harbiner: "This hurts me"

[BansheeOwnage]

Rosewind wrote...

b23h wrote...

http://masseffectind...n.blogspot.com/

Blog so far is still giving me the impression that people disliked the ending enought to dig through plot holes and inconsistencies and thereby created IT. There are issues there that I concur are problems; such as why the Catalyst seems to be the same boy who appears to be a theme throughout ME3.

However to repeat, for me IT has more negative consequences than the plot holes that it supposedly fixes.

Best way to explain it is you know the Geth consensus mission with Legion, how Legion says that Shepard is seeing things that are familiar to him/her. It is kinda like that the catalyst is appearing as something Shepard's mind has been focusing on i.e. the Little Boy. Why choose the little boy I don't know, why not Vimire victim or some one Shepard trusts.

Children are supposedly easier to trust. I mean not to me but in general.

[masster blaster]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

*snip*

read it B23h

Hey it's my post again cool!

Hey it's mine too, and it was I who came up with the whole Renegade scences with involving IT. But I see you point it is your old post, and the others too.

[Dwailing]

Rosewind wrote...

b23h wrote...

http://masseffectind...n.blogspot.com/

Blog so far is still giving me the impression that people disliked the ending enought to dig through plot holes and inconsistencies and thereby created IT. There are issues there that I concur are problems; such as why the Catalyst seems to be the same boy who appears to be a theme throughout ME3.

However to repeat, for me IT has more negative consequences than the plot holes that it supposedly fixes.

Best way to explain it is you know the Geth consensus mission with Legion, how Legion says that Shepard is seeing things that are familiar to him/her. It is kinda like that the catalyst is appearing as something Shepard's mind has been focusing on i.e. the Little Boy. Why choose the little boy I don't know, why not Vimire victim or some one Shepard trusts.

The boys acts as a symbol for Shepard of everyone s/he hasn't been able to save, everyone dying on earth, etc.  Of COURSE the Catalyst would choose this form, because it reminds Shepard of literally EVERYONE who's died as a result of this war.  I phrase it this way because Word of God says that that is what the boy represents.

[BansheeOwnage]

Rosewind wrote...
*snip*

Hey Rose, I've been meaning to ask you: what's with your avatar?

[b23h]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

b23h wrote...

http://masseffectind...n.blogspot.com/

Blog so far is still giving me the impression that people disliked the ending enought to dig through plot holes and inconsistencies and thereby created IT. There are issues there that I concur are problems; such as why the Catalyst seems to be the same boy who appears to be a theme throughout ME3.

However to repeat, for me IT has more negative consequences than the plot holes that it supposedly fixes.

That's purely subjective. We think it would be awesome, you don't. That's beside the point. IT's viability is not subjective.

I've got a fair amount of philosophy under my belt, so I tend to have questions about terms people use.  While I would like to ask what you mean by the first reference to subjectivity, "that's purely subjective", I won't.  However I am curious as to what you mean by "IT's viability is not subjective."?   Viability is not a standard term in argument analysis. classically the terms would be "sound" and "valid". In common use a valid argument is one which the conclusion follows from the premises.   A sound argument is one in which the argument is valid, and the terms of the argument is also true.

Modifié par b23h, 10 juillet 2012 - 06:52 .

[Rosewind]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

b23h wrote...

http://masseffectind...n.blogspot.com/

Blog so far is still giving me the impression that people disliked the ending enought to dig through plot holes and inconsistencies and thereby created IT. There are issues there that I concur are problems; such as why the Catalyst seems to be the same boy who appears to be a theme throughout ME3.

However to repeat, for me IT has more negative consequences than the plot holes that it supposedly fixes.

Best way to explain it is you know the Geth consensus mission with Legion, how Legion says that Shepard is seeing things that are familiar to him/her. It is kinda like that the catalyst is appearing as something Shepard's mind has been focusing on i.e. the Little Boy. Why choose the little boy I don't know, why not Vimire victim or some one Shepard trusts.

Children are supposedly easier to trust. I mean not to me but in general.

If a child spoke to me that eloquently I wouldn't trust them with a 10 foot pole.

[Priss Blackburne]

b23h wrote...

http://masseffectind...n.blogspot.com/

Blog so far is still giving me the impression that people disliked the ending enought to dig through plot holes and inconsistencies and thereby created IT. There are issues there that I concur are problems; such as why the Catalyst seems to be the same boy who appears to be a theme throughout ME3.

However to repeat, for me IT has more negative consequences than the plot holes that it supposedly fixes.

Shrugging it off as plotholes and inconsistencies you have to consider the whole Mass Effect series and how the ending does not fit with the amount of background detail and little touches that Bioware puts into their games. Why would it only be the ending that had these problems. So many people have the automatic negative perception that, this is just Bioware dropping the ball. When everything leading up to that endings is pure gold ( in my mind at least).

The shear amount of so called plotholes at the ending is very much out of character for a Bioware game. Yet people will take it at face value and just say Bioware are horrible writers and dropped the ball at the end. It's the perception that Bioware would intentionaly throw out all the lore and previous games themes.

This is the kind of detail Bioware puts into their games
tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Fridge/MassEffect

It's a perception that can't really be easly removed from someone as it's seems to be the thing to do nowadays to the see the negative in everyone. And unfortunatly chances are your not going to see IT as being anything but wrong since your allready biased in your own perception against it, and it's something you have to keep a very open mind to consider.

ughh rant and typing cramp

Modifié par Priss Blackburne, 10 juillet 2012 - 06:56 .

[Rosewind]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Rosewind wrote...
*snip*

Hey Rose, I've been meaning to ask you: what's with your avatar?

What do you mean?

[paxxton]

Rosewind wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

b23h wrote...

http://masseffectind...n.blogspot.com/

Blog so far is still giving me the impression that people disliked the ending enought to dig through plot holes and inconsistencies and thereby created IT. There are issues there that I concur are problems; such as why the Catalyst seems to be the same boy who appears to be a theme throughout ME3.

However to repeat, for me IT has more negative consequences than the plot holes that it supposedly fixes.

Best way to explain it is you know the Geth consensus mission with Legion, how Legion says that Shepard is seeing things that are familiar to him/her. It is kinda like that the catalyst is appearing as something Shepard's mind has been focusing on i.e. the Little Boy. Why choose the little boy I don't know, why not Vimire victim or some one Shepard trusts.

Children are supposedly easier to trust. I mean not to me but in general.

If a child spoke to me that eloquently I wouldn't trust them with a 10 foot pole.

He's not a child. Only took a form of one.

[Kel Riever]

I don't know about the Mass Effect ending being a hallucination, but I think I personally hallucinated because I still can't believe that once the little boy of light starts talking, how gawd awful the ending was. Got to go watch that YouTube again where a fan does BioWare's job for them....

[Rosewind]

paxxton wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

b23h wrote...

http://masseffectind...n.blogspot.com/

Blog so far is still giving me the impression that people disliked the ending enought to dig through plot holes and inconsistencies and thereby created IT. There are issues there that I concur are problems; such as why the Catalyst seems to be the same boy who appears to be a theme throughout ME3.

However to repeat, for me IT has more negative consequences than the plot holes that it supposedly fixes.

Best way to explain it is you know the Geth consensus mission with Legion, how Legion says that Shepard is seeing things that are familiar to him/her. It is kinda like that the catalyst is appearing as something Shepard's mind has been focusing on i.e. the Little Boy. Why choose the little boy I don't know, why not Vimire victim or some one Shepard trusts.

Children are supposedly easier to trust. I mean not to me but in general.

If a child spoke to me that eloquently I wouldn't trust them with a 10 foot pole.

He's not a child. Only took a form of one.

Thats not my point lol, if something took the form of a child I wouldnt trust them cause I know they trying to gain my trust by appearing as one.

[BansheeOwnage]

paxxton wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

b23h wrote...

http://masseffectind...n.blogspot.com/

Blog so far is still giving me the impression that people disliked the ending enought to dig through plot holes and inconsistencies and thereby created IT. There are issues there that I concur are problems; such as why the Catalyst seems to be the same boy who appears to be a theme throughout ME3.

However to repeat, for me IT has more negative consequences than the plot holes that it supposedly fixes.

Best way to explain it is you know the Geth consensus mission with Legion, how Legion says that Shepard is seeing things that are familiar to him/her. It is kinda like that the catalyst is appearing as something Shepard's mind has been focusing on i.e. the Little Boy. Why choose the little boy I don't know, why not Vimire victim or some one Shepard trusts.

Children are supposedly easier to trust. I mean not to me but in general.

If a child spoke to me that eloquently I wouldn't trust them with a 10 foot pole.

He's not a child. Only took a form of one.

Not arguing that. I'm saying a possible reason for taking that form is because children are supposedly easier to trust.

[BansheeOwnage]

Rosewind wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

b23h wrote...

http://masseffectind...n.blogspot.com/

Blog so far is still giving me the impression that people disliked the ending enought to dig through plot holes and inconsistencies and thereby created IT. There are issues there that I concur are problems; such as why the Catalyst seems to be the same boy who appears to be a theme throughout ME3.

However to repeat, for me IT has more negative consequences than the plot holes that it supposedly fixes.

Best way to explain it is you know the Geth consensus mission with Legion, how Legion says that Shepard is seeing things that are familiar to him/her. It is kinda like that the catalyst is appearing as something Shepard's mind has been focusing on i.e. the Little Boy. Why choose the little boy I don't know, why not Vimire victim or some one Shepard trusts.

Children are supposedly easier to trust. I mean not to me but in general.

If a child spoke to me that eloquently I wouldn't trust them with a 10 foot pole.

He's not a child. Only took a form of one.

Thats not my point lol, if something took the form of a child I wouldnt trust them cause I know they trying to gain my trust by appearing as one.

So, like me, you didn't fall for it. That's why we're both in this thread. We're not tricked that easily.

[BansheeOwnage]

Rosewind wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Rosewind wrote...
*snip*

Hey Rose, I've been meaning to ask you: what's with your avatar?

What do you mean?

Why is she jet black?

[paxxton]

Yeah, just a random reminder.

[b23h]

While I really enjoyed the Mass Effect series, I concur that there are a number of problems. One issue that I had noted from wandering the galaxy during the first Mass Effect is that it seemed that a lot of the planet destruction from earlier Reaper incursions seemed to be from orbital bombardment. Yet when ME3 rolls around we have a bunch of Reapers hanging around the surface of the planet for an extended period of time.

Yes, there are multiple explanations possible and multiple plot holes to explore. However I expect that those plot holes and problematic themes (like the boy/dream/Catalyst) are not signs pointing toward IT, but rather are simply expressions of writing/game design defects at Bioware.

I love the series, however it is not perfect.

Have a good day…..

[BansheeOwnage]

b23h wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

b23h wrote...

http://masseffectind...n.blogspot.com/

Blog so far is still giving me the impression that people disliked the ending enought to dig through plot holes and inconsistencies and thereby created IT. There are issues there that I concur are problems; such as why the Catalyst seems to be the same boy who appears to be a theme throughout ME3.

However to repeat, for me IT has more negative consequences than the plot holes that it supposedly fixes.

That's purely subjective. We think it would be awesome, you don't. That's beside the point. IT's viability is not subjective.

I've got a fair amount of philosophy under my belt, so I tend to have questions about terms people use.  While I would like to ask what you mean by the first reference to subjectivity, "that's purely subjective", I won't.  However I am curious as to what you mean by "IT's viability is not subjective."?   Viability is not a standard term in argument analysis. classically the terms would be "sound" and "valid". In common use a valid argument is one which the conclusion follows from the premises.   A sound argument is one in which the argument is valid, and the terms of the argument is also true.

The subjective part I was referring to was "However to repeat, for me IT has more negative consequences than the plot holes that it supposedly fixes." This is your opinion, and I disagree. But that doesn't matter. By viability, I mean how likely the theory is and how likely it is that Bioware intended it. Better?