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#43376
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Andromidius wrote...

Getting fed up of these disconnections...

I know its a half-arsed Console port, but you'd think they could at least have it run semi-stable?


You talking about MP? Try wiping your Temporary Internet Files and Cookies. That seems to fix most client drop issues, player side.

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FellishBeast wrote...

Regarding Anderson saying again, it is needlessly awkward. Shepard responds with "Really?" and then there's an awkward silence and then the conversation continues like it never happened. Anderson gives Shepard an odd look, as well.


here it is all you have to do is skip twords when Anderson picks Shepard up, and Anderson just ask Shepard the "I was Born in London", but Shepard says " Really", like Fellish said. plus there is a weird look on Anderson's face after Anderson responded to Shepard's "Really".

Also Anderson I think Anderson suspect's that Shepard is being Indoctrinated because Shepard forgot that Anderson was born in London, back when Anderson told Shepard on the Normandy. Also notice when Anderson talks about " it's to bad that it took the Reaperes to bring us together. It was mainly for Shepard, but Garrus, or one of you squad's will say no Shepard is the one that brought the galaxy together.

So I do think Anderson is acting weird because Sheaprd might becoming Indoctrinated.

makes sense, since he is acting very funny around Shepard after Anderson saves Shepard.

Skip to 20:49 to see the video of Anderson's weird look and is about to further question Shepard.






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Speaking of too good to be true, I tried to share this earlier when I was having image problems. Remember when the Normandy is about to be overtaken by the blast from the relays and the explosion right before we see the crew trapped on dream planet? Well here it is again, the infamous white halo that indicates a transition between dreams/reality:

Posted Image
:wizard:


This effect is extraordinarily common as a transition effect in ME3- when you enter your ship, or the camera phases from one area to the next, it can show up. Given its use in other games and movies, I would say it's too generic to be considered a reasonable peice of evidence.

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masster blaster wrote...

FellishBeast wrote...

Regarding Anderson saying again, it is needlessly awkward. Shepard responds with "Really?" and then there's an awkward silence and then the conversation continues like it never happened. Anderson gives Shepard an odd look, as well.


here it is all you have to do is skip twords when Anderson picks Shepard up, and Anderson just ask Shepard the "I was Born in London", but Shepard says " Really", like Fellish said. plus there is a weird look on Anderson's face after Anderson responded to Shepard's "Really".

Also Anderson I think Anderson suspect's that Shepard is being Indoctrinated because Shepard forgot that Anderson was born in London, back when Anderson told Shepard on the Normandy. Also notice when Anderson talks about " it's to bad that it took the Reaperes to bring us together. It was mainly for Shepard, but Garrus, or one of you squad's will say no Shepard is the one that brought the galaxy together.

So I do think Anderson is acting weird because Sheaprd might becoming Indoctrinated.

makes sense, since he is acting very funny around Shepard after Anderson saves Shepard.

Skip to 20:49 to see the video of Anderson's weird look and is about to further question Shepard.





Blaster you just blew my mind Posted Image I'd never thought of it the other way around, but I think that makes more sense. Anderson's not acting weird because he's indoctrinated, he's acting weird because he thinks Shepard might be! That's why he repeated "I was born in London", to see if Shep would remember/was the same person, and Shepard failed the test! It's not even optional, you have to fail the test Posted Image It also better explains the wierd look, it was a bit of a WTF from Anderson, because he'd told you this and now you've forgotten.

I could definitly see Anderson being the one to find Shepard in the rubble, but he'll suspect you're indoctrinated, and you'll have to talk him down, and if you can't shoot him. Or if you picked Control or Synthesis you'd just have to kill him. Posted Image

I still say Coats is indoctrinated though.

Modifié par BleedingUranium, 10 juillet 2012 - 10:35 .


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Chriz Tah Fah wrote...

I don't know if this was mentioned before or even that I'm grasping at straws trying to make these connections but...


The SYNTHESIS ending song (I am alive and I am not alone) sounds A LOT like the "Uncharted Worlds." The uncharted worlds song symbolized the unknown and being unsure of what the future holds. While this was partly the

theme of Synthesis it seemed pretty apparent to me that EDI knew almost exactly what would happen in the future and that everything would be perfect. The song choice contradicts the ending a little bit because "perfect" and "easily

foreseeable" do not match with "unsure" and "unknown." Something about the ending and song choice paired together bothered me a little bit.



The CONTROL ending song (I will watch over the ones who live on) sounded very sinister IMO. Similarly, Reaper-Shep sounded very sinister too! In this ending Shepard sounded very power hungry and self centered. He went on

about how "HE" ended the threat (even though he had tons of help and support) and about how HE would build a better future. This doesn't really sound positive to me because the whole reason anyone gets into trouble is because they

refuse to collaborate with others and just assume they can do everything THEMSELVES. The personality Shep has in this ending I feel pairs PERFECTLY with the song choice giving it a resonating negative feel to me.


The EC soundtrack is one of the biggest pieces of evidence to be added imo. Movies do this all the time, relate certain chords with certain moods. Even youtube parodies can manage to convey a certain mood, like the youtuber who added a very sinister backing track to a Mary Poppins trailer, switched the scenes up a little bit and made it ultra creepy.

To do this is to make a deliberate attempt to convey specific feelings. If synthesis is so great, why the dubious music that we relate with uncertainty? Like you said, it sounds like Uncharted Worlds, and for all intents and purposes, it IS Uncharted Worlds, only slower with a few tweaks.

The control music... yeah, I'm aiming to pick that option for my jerk renegade Shep as it's something she would definitely consider, but I just know how depressed it'll make me feel hearing reaper-shep lording it up with that music in the background.

Destroy had such an uplifting track that depsite the sacrifices of Edi and the Geth, I was smiling and felt a sense of acheivement... well, as much as you can with what seems like half an ending.

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>_<

Yeah, Origin is broken tonight. It will not cooperate.

If only EA would stop being so paranoid and let people host their own games.

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smokingotter1 wrote...

Chriz Tah Fah wrote...

smokingotter1 wrote...

Chriz Tah Fah wrote...

*snip*

Edit: attempted to make the format more readable.


*snap*




*rips*


Speaking of too good to be true, I tried to share this earlier when I was having image problems. Remember when the Normandy is about to be overtaken by the blast from the relays and the explosion right before we see the crew trapped on dream planet? Well here it is again, the infamous white halo that indicates a transition between dreams/reality:

Posted Image
:wizard:


One of the most important ones is at the beginning of the control epilouge. The only thing that bothers me is that with the trend being the way it is...why doesn't synthesis have that transition light? I don't believe I saw it but correct me if I'm wrong.

#43383
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Andromidius wrote...

>_<

Yeah, Origin is broken tonight. It will not cooperate.

If only EA would stop being so paranoid and let people host their own games.

Well, I think the game itself gets hosted on the hoster's machine. Because as a host, you experience no lag at all. Just the clients can experience lag.

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BleedingUranium wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

FellishBeast wrote...

Regarding Anderson saying again, it is needlessly awkward. Shepard responds with "Really?" and then there's an awkward silence and then the conversation continues like it never happened. Anderson gives Shepard an odd look, as well.


here it is all you have to do is skip twords when Anderson picks Shepard up, and Anderson just ask Shepard the "I was Born in London", but Shepard says " Really", like Fellish said. plus there is a weird look on Anderson's face after Anderson responded to Shepard's "Really".

Also Anderson I think Anderson suspect's that Shepard is being Indoctrinated because Shepard forgot that Anderson was born in London, back when Anderson told Shepard on the Normandy. Also notice when Anderson talks about " it's to bad that it took the Reaperes to bring us together. It was mainly for Shepard, but Garrus, or one of you squad's will say no Shepard is the one that brought the galaxy together.

So I do think Anderson is acting weird because Sheaprd might becoming Indoctrinated.

makes sense, since he is acting very funny around Shepard after Anderson saves Shepard.

Skip to 20:49 to see the video of Anderson's weird look and is about to further question Shepard.





Blaster you just blew my mind Posted Image I'd never thought of it the other way around, but I think that makes more sense. Anderson's not acting weird because he's indoctrinated, he's acting weird because he thinks Shepard might be! That's why he repeated "I was born in London", to see if Shep would remember/was the same person, and Shepard failed the test! It's not even optional, you have to fail the test Posted Image It also better explains the wierd look, it was a bit of a WTF from Anderson, because he'd told you this and now you've forgotten.

I could definitly see Anderson being the one to find Shepard in the rubble, but he'll suspect you're indoctrinated, and you'll have to talk him down, and if you can't shoot him. Or if you picked Control or Synthesis you'd just have to kill him. Posted Image

I still say Coats is indoctrinated though.


That was a funny look, but does indoctrination affect memory? Sometimes I forget too, but I'm not indoctrinated...

That said hey guys you know what's really cool? Injecting reaper nanites into your body, it feels so good, you guys should try it sometime.

Modifié par smokingotter1, 10 juillet 2012 - 10:39 .


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smokingotter1 wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

FellishBeast wrote...

Regarding Anderson saying again, it is needlessly awkward. Shepard responds with "Really?" and then there's an awkward silence and then the conversation continues like it never happened. Anderson gives Shepard an odd look, as well.


here it is all you have to do is skip twords when Anderson picks Shepard up, and Anderson just ask Shepard the "I was Born in London", but Shepard says " Really", like Fellish said. plus there is a weird look on Anderson's face after Anderson responded to Shepard's "Really".

Also Anderson I think Anderson suspect's that Shepard is being Indoctrinated because Shepard forgot that Anderson was born in London, back when Anderson told Shepard on the Normandy. Also notice when Anderson talks about " it's to bad that it took the Reaperes to bring us together. It was mainly for Shepard, but Garrus, or one of you squad's will say no Shepard is the one that brought the galaxy together.

So I do think Anderson is acting weird because Sheaprd might becoming Indoctrinated.

makes sense, since he is acting very funny around Shepard after Anderson saves Shepard.

Skip to 20:49 to see the video of Anderson's weird look and is about to further question Shepard.





Blaster you just blew my mind Posted Image I'd never thought of it the other way around, but I think that makes more sense. Anderson's not acting weird because he's indoctrinated, he's acting weird because he thinks Shepard might be! That's why he repeated "I was born in London", to see if Shep would remember/was the same person, and Shepard failed the test! It's not even optional, you have to fail the test Posted Image It also better explains the wierd look, it was a bit of a WTF from Anderson, because he'd told you this and now you've forgotten.

I could definitly see Anderson being the one to find Shepard in the rubble, but he'll suspect you're indoctrinated, and you'll have to talk him down, and if you can't shoot him. Or if you picked Control or Synthesis you'd just have to kill him. Posted Image

I still say Coats is indoctrinated though.


That was a funny look, but does indoctrination affect memory? Sometimes I forget too, but I'm not indoctrinated...

That said hey guys you know what's really cool? Injecting reaper nanites into your body, it feels so good, you guys should try it sometime.

Let it ask this way: how can you forget where a good friend was born? ^^ And even if you forget it temporarly, if he mentions it again, you would say "yeah" instead of "really?"; like it was new to you.

Modifié par UltimateTobi, 10 juillet 2012 - 10:43 .


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smokingotter1 wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

FellishBeast wrote...

Regarding Anderson saying again, it is needlessly awkward. Shepard responds with "Really?" and then there's an awkward silence and then the conversation continues like it never happened. Anderson gives Shepard an odd look, as well.


here it is all you have to do is skip twords when Anderson picks Shepard up, and Anderson just ask Shepard the "I was Born in London", but Shepard says " Really", like Fellish said. plus there is a weird look on Anderson's face after Anderson responded to Shepard's "Really".

Also Anderson I think Anderson suspect's that Shepard is being Indoctrinated because Shepard forgot that Anderson was born in London, back when Anderson told Shepard on the Normandy. Also notice when Anderson talks about " it's to bad that it took the Reaperes to bring us together. It was mainly for Shepard, but Garrus, or one of you squad's will say no Shepard is the one that brought the galaxy together.

So I do think Anderson is acting weird because Sheaprd might becoming Indoctrinated.

makes sense, since he is acting very funny around Shepard after Anderson saves Shepard.

Skip to 20:49 to see the video of Anderson's weird look and is about to further question Shepard.





Blaster you just blew my mind Posted Image I'd never thought of it the other way around, but I think that makes more sense. Anderson's not acting weird because he's indoctrinated, he's acting weird because he thinks Shepard might be! That's why he repeated "I was born in London", to see if Shep would remember/was the same person, and Shepard failed the test! It's not even optional, you have to fail the test Posted Image It also better explains the wierd look, it was a bit of a WTF from Anderson, because he'd told you this and now you've forgotten.

I could definitly see Anderson being the one to find Shepard in the rubble, but he'll suspect you're indoctrinated, and you'll have to talk him down, and if you can't shoot him. Or if you picked Control or Synthesis you'd just have to kill him. Posted Image

I still say Coats is indoctrinated though.


That was a funny look, but does indoctrination affect memory? Sometimes I forget too, but I'm not indoctrinated...

That said hey guys you know what's really cool? Injecting reaper nanites into your body, it feels so good, you guys should try it sometime.


It has in the past. Remember the Reaper Derilict in ME2. It made one of the scientist have the same memories as one of their collegues. Not the same scenario, but does show that it affects memory.

#43387
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UltimateTobi wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

>_<

Yeah, Origin is broken tonight. It will not cooperate.

If only EA would stop being so paranoid and let people host their own games.

Well, I think the game itself gets hosted on the hoster's machine. Because as a host, you experience no lag at all. Just the clients can experience lag.


But Origin is still there making sure you've not somehow pirated the game while mid-match.  And the moment its even slightly suspitious it pulls the plug.

Charming really.

Oh, and I sent some feedback to EA.  Hard finding that link, but I found it eventually.  The automated responce said 'sincere' twice.  Yeah.

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UltimateTobi wrote...

smokingotter1 wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

FellishBeast wrote...

Regarding Anderson saying again, it is needlessly awkward. Shepard responds with "Really?" and then there's an awkward silence and then the conversation continues like it never happened. Anderson gives Shepard an odd look, as well.


here it is all you have to do is skip twords when Anderson picks Shepard up, and Anderson just ask Shepard the "I was Born in London", but Shepard says " Really", like Fellish said. plus there is a weird look on Anderson's face after Anderson responded to Shepard's "Really".

Also Anderson I think Anderson suspect's that Shepard is being Indoctrinated because Shepard forgot that Anderson was born in London, back when Anderson told Shepard on the Normandy. Also notice when Anderson talks about " it's to bad that it took the Reaperes to bring us together. It was mainly for Shepard, but Garrus, or one of you squad's will say no Shepard is the one that brought the galaxy together.

So I do think Anderson is acting weird because Sheaprd might becoming Indoctrinated.

makes sense, since he is acting very funny around Shepard after Anderson saves Shepard.

Skip to 20:49 to see the video of Anderson's weird look and is about to further question Shepard.





Blaster you just blew my mind Posted Image I'd never thought of it the other way around, but I think that makes more sense. Anderson's not acting weird because he's indoctrinated, he's acting weird because he thinks Shepard might be! That's why he repeated "I was born in London", to see if Shep would remember/was the same person, and Shepard failed the test! It's not even optional, you have to fail the test Posted Image It also better explains the wierd look, it was a bit of a WTF from Anderson, because he'd told you this and now you've forgotten.

I could definitly see Anderson being the one to find Shepard in the rubble, but he'll suspect you're indoctrinated, and you'll have to talk him down, and if you can't shoot him. Or if you picked Control or Synthesis you'd just have to kill him. Posted Image

I still say Coats is indoctrinated though.


That was a funny look, but does indoctrination affect memory? Sometimes I forget too, but I'm not indoctrinated...

That said hey guys you know what's really cool? Injecting reaper nanites into your body, it feels so good, you guys should try it sometime.

Let it ask this way: how can you forget where a good friend was born? ^^ And even if you forget it temporarly, if he mentions it again, you would say "yeah" instead of "really?"; like it was new to you.


Exactly! [/Anderson]

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UltimateTobi wrote...

smokingotter1 wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

FellishBeast wrote...

Regarding Anderson saying again, it is needlessly awkward. Shepard responds with "Really?" and then there's an awkward silence and then the conversation continues like it never happened. Anderson gives Shepard an odd look, as well.


here it is all you have to do is skip twords when Anderson picks Shepard up, and Anderson just ask Shepard the "I was Born in London", but Shepard says " Really", like Fellish said. plus there is a weird look on Anderson's face after Anderson responded to Shepard's "Really".

Also Anderson I think Anderson suspect's that Shepard is being Indoctrinated because Shepard forgot that Anderson was born in London, back when Anderson told Shepard on the Normandy. Also notice when Anderson talks about " it's to bad that it took the Reaperes to bring us together. It was mainly for Shepard, but Garrus, or one of you squad's will say no Shepard is the one that brought the galaxy together.

So I do think Anderson is acting weird because Sheaprd might becoming Indoctrinated.

makes sense, since he is acting very funny around Shepard after Anderson saves Shepard.

Skip to 20:49 to see the video of Anderson's weird look and is about to further question Shepard.





Blaster you just blew my mind Posted Image I'd never thought of it the other way around, but I think that makes more sense. Anderson's not acting weird because he's indoctrinated, he's acting weird because he thinks Shepard might be! That's why he repeated "I was born in London", to see if Shep would remember/was the same person, and Shepard failed the test! It's not even optional, you have to fail the test Posted Image It also better explains the wierd look, it was a bit of a WTF from Anderson, because he'd told you this and now you've forgotten.

I could definitly see Anderson being the one to find Shepard in the rubble, but he'll suspect you're indoctrinated, and you'll have to talk him down, and if you can't shoot him. Or if you picked Control or Synthesis you'd just have to kill him. Posted Image

I still say Coats is indoctrinated though.


That was a funny look, but does indoctrination affect memory? Sometimes I forget too, but I'm not indoctrinated...

That said hey guys you know what's really cool? Injecting reaper nanites into your body, it feels so good, you guys should try it sometime.

Let it ask this way: how can you forget where a good friend was born? ^^ And even if you forget it temporarly, if he mentions it again, you would say "yeah" instead of "really?"; like it was new to you.


While this whole scene might be over-analyzed, it is possible that both Anderson and Shepard are tentitive to trust eachother because each of them knows how long the other was around the reapers. It would be VERY likely concidering both their military standings that an indoctrination attempt would have happened to one or both of them. It is possible that Shepard said "really" in order to test Anderson to see if he would change his answer (knowing full well that Anderson was born in London) in order to test for indoctrination. Anderson gives a weird look to Shepard in much of the same way thinking "you should know this" but doesn't press any further for risk that Shepard really is indoctrinated and will do something once his cover is broken.

This is all reaching speculation and I still think that this scene is being over-thought.

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I feel that no one plays at PS3 =/


I play the ps3, if you or anyone else cares to add me. 

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Andromidius wrote...

Getting fed up of these disconnections...

I know its a half-arsed Console port, but you'd think they could at least have it run semi-stable?


You missed Lex0r and MA getting torn apart after I tried to get all sensual with a banshee:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=3eKMoNQuqzQ

HellishFiend wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

GO TEAM IT THREAD :D

Just
tried our first couple of IT thread reaper gold matches - first one
ended in me receiving a reluctant colonoscopy from a couple of banshees
and a brute, second one ended in the 3 millionth connection error.

Really
EA, what is the point in making multiplayer DLC when your servers are
so unreliable as to make the multiplayer functions almost
unusable?


Try this...
http://social.biowar.../index/11207704 


Absolutely will try this after I get back to my flat.
For now, not possible :mellow:

BleedingUranium wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

FellishBeast wrote...

Regarding
Anderson saying again, it is needlessly awkward. Shepard responds with
"Really?" and then there's an awkward silence and then the conversation
continues like it never happened. Anderson gives Shepard an odd look, as
well.


here it is all you have to do is skip twords when
Anderson picks Shepard up, and Anderson just ask Shepard the "I was Born
in London", but Shepard says " Really", like Fellish said. plus there
is a weird look on Anderson's face after Anderson responded to Shepard's
"Really".

Also Anderson I think Anderson suspect's that Shepard
is being Indoctrinated because Shepard forgot that Anderson was born in
London, back when Anderson told Shepard on the Normandy. Also notice
when Anderson talks about " it's to bad that it took the Reaperes to
bring us together. It was mainly for Shepard, but Garrus, or one of you
squad's will say no Shepard is the one that brought the galaxy together.

So I do think Anderson is acting weird because Sheaprd might becoming Indoctrinated.

makes sense, since he is acting very funny around Shepard after Anderson saves Shepard.

Skip to 20:49 to see the video of Anderson's weird look and is about to further question Shepard.





Blaster you just blew my mind Posted Image I'd
never thought of it the other way around, but I think that makes more
sense. Anderson's not acting weird because he's indoctrinated, he's
acting weird because he thinks Shepard might be! That's why he repeated
"I was born in London", to see if Shep would remember/was the same
person, and Shepard failed the test! It's not even optional, you have to fail the test Posted Image It
also better explains the wierd look, it was a bit of a WTF from
Anderson, because he'd told you this and now you've forgotten.

I
could definitly see Anderson being the one to find Shepard in the
rubble, but he'll suspect you're indoctrinated, and you'll have to talk
him down, and if you can't shoot him. Or if you picked Control or
Synthesis you'd just have to kill him. Posted Image

I still say Coats is indoctrinated though.


That's... a very good point [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/andy.png[/smilie]
Trouble is, I can't think of anything else in the london sequence to suggest that anderson knows...

invetro wrote...



Chriz Tah Fah wrote...



I don't know if this was mentioned before or even that I'm grasping at straws trying to make these connections but...





The
SYNTHESIS ending song (I am alive and I am not alone) sounds A LOT like
the "Uncharted Worlds." The uncharted worlds song symbolized the
unknown and being unsure of what the future holds. While this was partly
the



theme of Synthesis it seemed pretty apparent to me that EDI
knew almost exactly what would happen in the future and that everything
would be perfect. The song choice contradicts the ending a little bit
because "perfect" and "easily



foreseeable" do not match with
"unsure" and "unknown." Something about the ending and song choice
paired together bothered me a little bit.







The CONTROL
ending song (I will watch over the ones who live on) sounded very
sinister IMO. Similarly, Reaper-Shep sounded very sinister too! In this
ending Shepard sounded very power hungry and self centered. He went on



about
how "HE" ended the threat (even though he had tons of help and support)
and about how HE would build a better future. This doesn't really sound
positive to me because the whole reason anyone gets into trouble is
because they



refuse to collaborate with others and just assume
they can do everything THEMSELVES. The personality Shep has in this
ending I feel pairs PERFECTLY with the song choice giving it a
resonating negative feel to me.






The EC soundtrack
is one of the biggest pieces of evidence to be added imo. Movies do
this all the time, relate certain chords with certain moods. Even
youtube parodies can manage to convey a certain mood, like the youtuber
who added a very sinister backing track to a Mary Poppins trailer,
switched the scenes up a little bit and made it ultra creepy.



To
do this is to make a deliberate attempt to convey specific feelings. If
synthesis is so great, why the dubious music that we relate with
uncertainty? Like you said, it sounds like Uncharted Worlds, and for all
intents and purposes, it IS Uncharted Worlds, only slower with a few
tweaks.



The control music... yeah, I'm aiming to pick that option
for my jerk renegade Shep as it's something she would definitely
consider, but I just know how depressed it'll make me feel hearing
reaper-shep lording it up with that music in the background.



Destroy
had such an uplifting track that depsite the sacrifices of Edi and the
Geth, I was smiling and felt a sense of acheivement... well, as much as
you can with what seems like half an ending.



Destroy is also the only one that has the same/similar music all the way through the end sequence, which is intriguing.

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Chriz Tah Fah wrote...

UltimateTobi wrote...

smokingotter1 wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

FellishBeast wrote...

Regarding Anderson saying again, it is needlessly awkward. Shepard responds with "Really?" and then there's an awkward silence and then the conversation continues like it never happened. Anderson gives Shepard an odd look, as well.


here it is all you have to do is skip twords when Anderson picks Shepard up, and Anderson just ask Shepard the "I was Born in London", but Shepard says " Really", like Fellish said. plus there is a weird look on Anderson's face after Anderson responded to Shepard's "Really".

Also Anderson I think Anderson suspect's that Shepard is being Indoctrinated because Shepard forgot that Anderson was born in London, back when Anderson told Shepard on the Normandy. Also notice when Anderson talks about " it's to bad that it took the Reaperes to bring us together. It was mainly for Shepard, but Garrus, or one of you squad's will say no Shepard is the one that brought the galaxy together.

So I do think Anderson is acting weird because Sheaprd might becoming Indoctrinated.

makes sense, since he is acting very funny around Shepard after Anderson saves Shepard.

Skip to 20:49 to see the video of Anderson's weird look and is about to further question Shepard.





Blaster you just blew my mind Posted Image I'd never thought of it the other way around, but I think that makes more sense. Anderson's not acting weird because he's indoctrinated, he's acting weird because he thinks Shepard might be! That's why he repeated "I was born in London", to see if Shep would remember/was the same person, and Shepard failed the test! It's not even optional, you have to fail the test Posted Image It also better explains the wierd look, it was a bit of a WTF from Anderson, because he'd told you this and now you've forgotten.

I could definitly see Anderson being the one to find Shepard in the rubble, but he'll suspect you're indoctrinated, and you'll have to talk him down, and if you can't shoot him. Or if you picked Control or Synthesis you'd just have to kill him. Posted Image

I still say Coats is indoctrinated though.


That was a funny look, but does indoctrination affect memory? Sometimes I forget too, but I'm not indoctrinated...

That said hey guys you know what's really cool? Injecting reaper nanites into your body, it feels so good, you guys should try it sometime.

Let it ask this way: how can you forget where a good friend was born? ^^ And even if you forget it temporarly, if he mentions it again, you would say "yeah" instead of "really?"; like it was new to you.


While this whole scene might be over-analyzed, it is possible that both Anderson and Shepard are tentitive to trust eachother because each of them knows how long the other was around the reapers. It would be VERY likely concidering both their military standings that an indoctrination attempt would have happened to one or both of them. It is possible that Shepard said "really" in order to test Anderson to see if he would change his answer (knowing full well that Anderson was born in London) in order to test for indoctrination. Anderson gives a weird look to Shepard in much of the same way thinking "you should know this" but doesn't press any further for risk that Shepard really is indoctrinated and will do something once his cover is broken.

This is all reaching speculation and I still think that this scene is being over-thought.


While they could be suspicious of each other like you said, it would be pretty strange after nothing like this at all in any of the many QEC conversations with Anderson throughout the game. Also, Anderson being suspicious of Shepard fits with IT better than the other way around, because it's more talk of Shepard and indoctrination.

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Chriz Tah Fah wrote...

UltimateTobi wrote...

smokingotter1 wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

FellishBeast wrote...

Regarding Anderson saying again, it is needlessly awkward. Shepard responds with "Really?" and then there's an awkward silence and then the conversation continues like it never happened. Anderson gives Shepard an odd look, as well.


here it is all you have to do is skip twords when Anderson picks Shepard up, and Anderson just ask Shepard the "I was Born in London", but Shepard says " Really", like Fellish said. plus there is a weird look on Anderson's face after Anderson responded to Shepard's "Really".

Also Anderson I think Anderson suspect's that Shepard is being Indoctrinated because Shepard forgot that Anderson was born in London, back when Anderson told Shepard on the Normandy. Also notice when Anderson talks about " it's to bad that it took the Reaperes to bring us together. It was mainly for Shepard, but Garrus, or one of you squad's will say no Shepard is the one that brought the galaxy together.

So I do think Anderson is acting weird because Sheaprd might becoming Indoctrinated.

makes sense, since he is acting very funny around Shepard after Anderson saves Shepard.

Skip to 20:49 to see the video of Anderson's weird look and is about to further question Shepard.





Blaster you just blew my mind Posted Image I'd never thought of it the other way around, but I think that makes more sense. Anderson's not acting weird because he's indoctrinated, he's acting weird because he thinks Shepard might be! That's why he repeated "I was born in London", to see if Shep would remember/was the same person, and Shepard failed the test! It's not even optional, you have to fail the test Posted Image It also better explains the wierd look, it was a bit of a WTF from Anderson, because he'd told you this and now you've forgotten.

I could definitly see Anderson being the one to find Shepard in the rubble, but he'll suspect you're indoctrinated, and you'll have to talk him down, and if you can't shoot him. Or if you picked Control or Synthesis you'd just have to kill him. Posted Image

I still say Coats is indoctrinated though.


That was a funny look, but does indoctrination affect memory? Sometimes I forget too, but I'm not indoctrinated...

That said hey guys you know what's really cool? Injecting reaper nanites into your body, it feels so good, you guys should try it sometime.

Let it ask this way: how can you forget where a good friend was born? ^^ And even if you forget it temporarly, if he mentions it again, you would say "yeah" instead of "really?"; like it was new to you.


While this whole scene might be over-analyzed, it is possible that both Anderson and Shepard are tentitive to trust eachother because each of them knows how long the other was around the reapers. It would be VERY likely concidering both their military standings that an indoctrination attempt would have happened to one or both of them. It is possible that Shepard said "really" in order to test Anderson to see if he would change his answer (knowing full well that Anderson was born in London) in order to test for indoctrination. Anderson gives a weird look to Shepard in much of the same way thinking "you should know this" but doesn't press any further for risk that Shepard really is indoctrinated and will do something once his cover is broken.

This is all reaching speculation and I still think that this scene is being over-thought.

Yeah, sounds plausible. Can work both ways. And both ways, even combined, make sense.

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BleedingUranium wrote...

Chriz Tah Fah wrote...

While this whole scene might be over-analyzed, it is possible that both Anderson and Shepard are tentitive to trust eachother because each of them knows how long the other was around the reapers. It would be VERY likely concidering both their military standings that an indoctrination attempt would have happened to one or both of them. It is possible that Shepard said "really" in order to test Anderson to see if he would change his answer (knowing full well that Anderson was born in London) in order to test for indoctrination. Anderson gives a weird look to Shepard in much of the same way thinking "you should know this" but doesn't press any further for risk that Shepard really is indoctrinated and will do something once his cover is broken.

This is all reaching speculation and I still think that this scene is being over-thought.


While they could be suspicious of each other like you said, it would be pretty strange after nothing like this at all in any of the many QEC conversations with Anderson throughout the game. Also, Anderson being suspicious of Shepard fits with IT better than the other way around, because it's more talk of Shepard and indoctrination.


Isnt the first 'I was born in London' conversation one of the QEC chats with Anderson that its entirely possible to miss if you dont activate the QEC after a mission? I figure the second 'I was born in London' is there because of that.

Also, why would Anderson be like 'You dont remember where I was born? YOU MUST BE INDOCTRINATED!'?

Is Anderson a moron? I dont recall any other point where indoctrination caused memory loss, so thats a pretty big assumption for him to base his entire indoctrination test on.

Plus, we dont know exactly how long passed between the first 'I was born in London' and the second. It could have been weeks.

I've told you guys at various times what city I live in and my first name. Anyone who does not remember both of those things is clearly indoctrinated.

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Chriz Tah Fah wrote...

smokingotter1 wrote...

Chriz Tah Fah wrote...

smokingotter1 wrote...

Chriz Tah Fah wrote...

*snip*

Edit: attempted to make the format more readable.


*snap*




*rips*


Speaking of too good to be true, I tried to share this earlier when I was having image problems. Remember when the Normandy is about to be overtaken by the blast from the relays and the explosion right before we see the crew trapped on dream planet? Well here it is again, the infamous white halo that indicates a transition between dreams/reality:

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:wizard:


One of the most important ones is at the beginning of the control epilouge. The only thing that bothers me is that with the trend being the way it is...why doesn't synthesis have that transition light? I don't believe I saw it but correct me if I'm wrong.

You are wrong ^_^
The transition light can be found in the Synthesis ending...just take a look :)

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byne wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Chriz Tah Fah wrote...

While this whole scene might be over-analyzed, it is possible that both Anderson and Shepard are tentitive to trust eachother because each of them knows how long the other was around the reapers. It would be VERY likely concidering both their military standings that an indoctrination attempt would have happened to one or both of them. It is possible that Shepard said "really" in order to test Anderson to see if he would change his answer (knowing full well that Anderson was born in London) in order to test for indoctrination. Anderson gives a weird look to Shepard in much of the same way thinking "you should know this" but doesn't press any further for risk that Shepard really is indoctrinated and will do something once his cover is broken.

This is all reaching speculation and I still think that this scene is being over-thought.


While they could be suspicious of each other like you said, it would be pretty strange after nothing like this at all in any of the many QEC conversations with Anderson throughout the game. Also, Anderson being suspicious of Shepard fits with IT better than the other way around, because it's more talk of Shepard and indoctrination.


Isnt the first 'I was born in London' conversation one of the QEC chats with Anderson that its entirely possible to miss if you dont activate the QEC after a mission? I figure the second 'I was born in London' is there because of that.

Also, why would Anderson be like 'You dont remember where I was born? YOU MUST BE INDOCTRINATED!'?

Is Anderson a moron? I dont recall any other point where indoctrination caused memory loss, so thats a pretty big assumption for him to base his entire indoctrination test on.

Plus, we dont know exactly how long passed between the first 'I was born in London' and the second. It could have been weeks.

I've told you guys at various times what city I live in and my first name. Anyone who does not remember both of those things is clearly indoctrinated.


Uh, Charleston, SC, and Clinton, I think.

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Riot86 wrote...

Chriz Tah Fah wrote...

smokingotter1 wrote...

Chriz Tah Fah wrote...

smokingotter1 wrote...

Chriz Tah Fah wrote...

*snip*

Edit: attempted to make the format more readable.


*snap*




*rips*


Speaking of too good to be true, I tried to share this earlier when I was having image problems. Remember when the Normandy is about to be overtaken by the blast from the relays and the explosion right before we see the crew trapped on dream planet? Well here it is again, the infamous white halo that indicates a transition between dreams/reality:

Posted Image
:wizard:


One of the most important ones is at the beginning of the control epilouge. The only thing that bothers me is that with the trend being the way it is...why doesn't synthesis have that transition light? I don't believe I saw it but correct me if I'm wrong.

You are wrong ^_^
The transition light can be found in the Synthesis ending...just take a look :)


In all honesty, in this case I am glad to be wrong. This would confirm even further what we are already speculating.

Now the question is, is the light in the destroy ending (I don't believe I saw one)? Out of all the endings that is possibly truthful, the destroy ending is the closest we're going to get. If the reapers were destroyed with the crucible or not, the outcome in the destroy ending is probably what we'd get. I don't believe that the geth or EDI are mentioned in the Hackett monolog (although EDI's name is on the wall of the fallen). There is also the breathing scene in the destroy ending.

I believe all the endings are fake or that most parts of the destroy ending are fake. 

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Man, today is not a good day to be fighting reapers with the lags and everything.

"CHARGE! threerocks!"

*gets a little too intimate with a banshee*

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There is a transition light at one of the consoles in Sanctuary. Thoughts? I'm not even sure if this is the same kind of transition.


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Dwailing wrote...


Uh, Charleston, SC, and Clinton, I think.


Congratulations, you are not indoctrinated! :D