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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark II!


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right now my currently main thought is that the ending Sequence is just Shepard's mental defenses Kicking in and not full force Indoctrination. Destroy and control are different ways of kicking the Reapers out of Shepard's head and Synthesis is the only choice that allows the Reapers access to Shepard's subconscious.

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MaximizedAction wrote...

blooregard wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Unschuld wrote...

draken-heart wrote...

strangely enough, does anyone here not think that ME2/3 or both is nothing but a dream the whole time and we just do not get it?


I don't think so. That would invalidate a LOT of gameplay to something that's "just a dream". 


And then what's to stop us from thinking that Shepard went mad from the beacon on Eden Prime and dreamed all of it up?




As it stands we have Buzz Aldrin telling a story to a kid...that was our adventure...every erotic moment, every disgusting alien, every gruesome battle the ast 2.9 games were a story being told to a child by his grandpa. if thats not as invalidating as "it was all a dream" its pretty damn close.


I personally have no problem with the "it was all a dream" trope but it has to be used right.

Wizard of Oz: incorrect usage (gets a free pass for being one of the first)
Gurren-Lagann: correct usage


The Dream of Akinosuke or Star Trek TNG - Episode "The Inner Light": alternate but correct usage, and a beautiful one at that.

One of the best TNG episodes imo

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MegumiAzusa wrote...

blooregard wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Unschuld wrote...

draken-heart wrote...

strangely enough, does anyone here not think that ME2/3 or both is nothing but a dream the whole time and we just do not get it?


I don't think so. That would invalidate a LOT of gameplay to something that's "just a dream". 


And then what's to stop us from thinking that Shepard went mad from the beacon on Eden Prime and dreamed all of it up?




As it stands we have Buzz Aldrin telling a story to a kid...that was our adventure...every erotic moment, every disgusting alien, every gruesome battle the ast 2.9 games were a story being told to a child by his grandpa. if thats not as invalidating as "it was all a dream" its pretty damn close.


I personally have no problem with the "it was all a dream" trope but it has to be used right.

Wizard of Oz: incorrect usage (gets a free pass for being one of the first)
Gurren-Lagann: correct usage

A story about things who can make people mindless salves and other organizations that torture prisoners, or the hero letting her enemies burn to death... exactly the kind of story I would tell my 6 year old grand children.




You forgot about all the sexy interspecies mating and Garrus' curiosity of a Human Turian hybrid.


Speaking of which would a human Turian hybrid be possible with synthesis it would give me a reason to pic...oh wait Shepard dies in that one...never mind.

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MegumiAzusa wrote...

blooregard wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Unschuld wrote...

draken-heart wrote...

strangely enough, does anyone here not think that ME2/3 or both is nothing but a dream the whole time and we just do not get it?


I don't think so. That would invalidate a LOT of gameplay to something that's "just a dream". 


And then what's to stop us from thinking that Shepard went mad from the beacon on Eden Prime and dreamed all of it up?




As it stands we have Buzz Aldrin telling a story to a kid...that was our adventure...every erotic moment, every disgusting alien, every gruesome battle the ast 2.9 games were a story being told to a child by his grandpa. if thats not as invalidating as "it was all a dream" its pretty damn close.


I personally have no problem with the "it was all a dream" trope but it has to be used right.

Wizard of Oz: incorrect usage (gets a free pass for being one of the first)
Gurren-Lagann: correct usage

A story about things who can make people mindless salves and other organizations that torture prisoners, or the hero letting her enemies burn to death... exactly the kind of story I would tell my 6 year old grand children.


Buzz does qualify his story, "some of the details have been.. lost in time",

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RavenEyry wrote...

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I can understand if you don't do it out of principle (I really can), but if it's because you're not good at the online gaming thing, trust me: I'm not either, at all, and I've taken to it relatively well for these purposes.  I stick to the lower and mid-level arenas for now (Bronze for fun, Silver for a challenge), I have a good time, I cooperate, and it seems as if there's a place for people like me who are decent strategists but less-than-stellar shots.  I don't play any other online games. 

Actually it's because as an Xbox user I have to pay extra for multiplayer. I thought the taster for MP was actually quite good, but not enough to justify a subcription.


I can also definitely understand that.  I'm an 360 user too, and I really only have it because it was the only device I had in my house that could operate Netflix streaming and because of the occasional subscriber-only deals (I stocked up on inexpensive pre-paid cards through various sales).  It'd be a different situation altogether if I had to willingly choose to pay out of pocket for the multi-player, methinks.

And since it's currently integral to receiving one of the bigger hints towards this theory, or even a more concrete viewpoint/interpretation of the conclusion itself, that's an issue.  They really should just bump the EMS percent to 65-70% and be done with it. (laughs)

Modifié par dreamgazer, 22 mai 2012 - 04:10 .


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bFootball wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

blooregard wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Unschuld wrote...

draken-heart wrote...

strangely enough, does anyone here not think that ME2/3 or both is nothing but a dream the whole time and we just do not get it?


I don't think so. That would invalidate a LOT of gameplay to something that's "just a dream". 


And then what's to stop us from thinking that Shepard went mad from the beacon on Eden Prime and dreamed all of it up?




As it stands we have Buzz Aldrin telling a story to a kid...that was our adventure...every erotic moment, every disgusting alien, every gruesome battle the ast 2.9 games were a story being told to a child by his grandpa. if thats not as invalidating as "it was all a dream" its pretty damn close.


I personally have no problem with the "it was all a dream" trope but it has to be used right.

Wizard of Oz: incorrect usage (gets a free pass for being one of the first)
Gurren-Lagann: correct usage

A story about things who can make people mindless salves and other organizations that torture prisoners, or the hero letting her enemies burn to death... exactly the kind of story I would tell my 6 year old grand children.


Buzz does qualify his story, "some of the details have been.. lost in time",



Yes...but from what I can gather those details are not the sexy alien relationships, watching your yeoman melt, or walking through a field of impaled robo zombies

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MegumiAzusa wrote...

I hate slowdowns in games. I was perfectly fine in ME2 when loosing my shield to get into cover, in ME3 it immediately slows down and ruins my timings.


Only slowdown I like is sniper time dilation.

If I could sacrifice the time dilation from Biotic Charge, I totally would. Playing a vanguard in multiplayer (where obviously you cant have time dilation) is way more fun than playing in single player. I really dislike the slowdown.

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RavenEyry wrote...

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CaliGuy033 wrote...

Sooo...people still believe in IT?

Who knew.



TROLLING PRESENCE DETECTED. ACTIVATING SECURITY PROTOCOLS.:devil:


Yah, I'm guessing troll. Since every other thread mentions IT, only a truly stupid person would think no one believed it.


No guessing needed. He's definitely a troll. I remember him from the original thread.

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byne wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

estebanus wrote...

CaliGuy033 wrote...

Sooo...people still believe in IT?

Who knew.



TROLLING PRESENCE DETECTED. ACTIVATING SECURITY PROTOCOLS.:devil:


Yah, I'm guessing troll. Since every other thread mentions IT, only a truly stupid person would think no one believed it.


No guessing needed. He's definitely a troll. I remember him from the original thread.



Yup, so do I.

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byne wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

I hate slowdowns in games. I was perfectly fine in ME2 when loosing my shield to get into cover, in ME3 it immediately slows down and ruins my timings.


Only slowdown I like is sniper time dilation.

If I could sacrifice the time dilation from Biotic Charge, I totally would. Playing a vanguard in multiplayer (where obviously you cant have time dilation) is way more fun than playing in single player. I really dislike the slowdown.

The game slows down if you zoom with a sniper? Seriously?

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MegumiAzusa wrote...

byne wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

I hate slowdowns in games. I was perfectly fine in ME2 when loosing my shield to get into cover, in ME3 it immediately slows down and ruins my timings.


Only slowdown I like is sniper time dilation.

If I could sacrifice the time dilation from Biotic Charge, I totally would. Playing a vanguard in multiplayer (where obviously you cant have time dilation) is way more fun than playing in single player. I really dislike the slowdown.

The game slows down if you zoom with a sniper? Seriously?



Only if you have a mod installed that does it.

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blooregard wrote...

Yes...but from what I can gather those details are not the sexy alien relationships, watching your yeoman melt, or walking through a field of impaled robo zombies


Melt in the tube or melt as in 'Shepard, what big eyes you have'?

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MegumiAzusa wrote...

The game slows down if you zoom with a sniper? Seriously?

For infiltrators and with a mod in 3. I assume infiltrators are far less awesome in multi-player because of this.

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MegumiAzusa wrote...

byne wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

I hate slowdowns in games. I was perfectly fine in ME2 when loosing my shield to get into cover, in ME3 it immediately slows down and ruins my timings.


Only slowdown I like is sniper time dilation.

If I could sacrifice the time dilation from Biotic Charge, I totally would. Playing a vanguard in multiplayer (where obviously you cant have time dilation) is way more fun than playing in single player. I really dislike the slowdown.

The game slows down if you zoom with a sniper? Seriously?


If you're an infiltrator, one of your class powers gives you sniper time dilation, and snipers also have that concentration mod that slows time even more.

Time dilation is literally the only way I can play an infiltrator. The lack of time dilation in multiplayer is why the only infiltrator I play is the Geth Infiltrator with a Geth Plasma Shotgun. (which is freakin awesome, by the way)

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RavenEyry wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

The game slows down if you zoom with a sniper? Seriously?

For infiltrators and with a mod in 3. I assume infiltrators are far less awesome in multi-player because of this.

Infiltrators are actually one of the most successful classes in MP because of their high damage.

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byne wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

byne wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

I hate slowdowns in games. I was perfectly fine in ME2 when loosing my shield to get into cover, in ME3 it immediately slows down and ruins my timings.


Only slowdown I like is sniper time dilation.

If I could sacrifice the time dilation from Biotic Charge, I totally would. Playing a vanguard in multiplayer (where obviously you cant have time dilation) is way more fun than playing in single player. I really dislike the slowdown.

The game slows down if you zoom with a sniper? Seriously?


If you're an infiltrator, one of your class powers gives you sniper time dilation, and snipers also have that concentration mod that slows time even more.

Time dilation is literally the only way I can play an infiltrator. The lack of time dilation in multiplayer is why the only infiltrator I play is the Geth Infiltrator with a Geth Plasma Shotgun. (which is freakin awesome, by the way)

Hmm okay you are on console, right? I guess precise aiming isn't as easy there.

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Damnit! Each time I see Makrys' profile pic, I immediately think of Waldstr!

LOL. Me too. Total pavlovian reflex reaction.:P

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I always suck at sniping, yet if there's a sniping class I'll play it. Elitists hate me for it.

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 I have a hypothesis about the view bobbing on the weapon bench. Since your view bobs throughout the entire london gameplay sequence, it stands to reason that they created and put in a minor version of the severe bob when you "wake up" from harby's beam. 

Well, what if the weapon bench works within the game engine simply by pointing the view at a weapon bench with the weapon models on top of it? Then, it would be subject to the same view bob effect as when you're controlling Shepard. 
Bioware probably realized this when they put it together and said "Hmmm, actually, that works....:devil:"

Modifié par HellishFiend, 22 mai 2012 - 04:21 .


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MegumiAzusa wrote...

Hmm okay you are on console, right? I guess precise aiming isn't as easy there.


Yeah, on xbox. Thats why Marauder Shields was the hardest fight in the entire game on my insanity run. Imagine how hard it is to correct for that damned swaying using an xbox controller.

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Big G13 wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Damnit! Each time I see Makrys' profile pic, I immediately think of Waldstr!

LOL. Me too. Total pavlovian reflex reaction.:P


You just wait before the next one with a Volus avatar shows up...

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Big G13 wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Damnit! Each time I see Makrys' profile pic, I immediately think of Waldstr!

LOL. Me too. Total pavlovian reflex reaction.:P


I have the opposite problem. There are a couple of avatars I associate with an extremely precise area that uses it.

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byne wrote...

If you're an infiltrator, one of your class powers gives you sniper time dilation, and snipers also have that concentration mod that slows time even more.

Time dilation is literally the only way I can play an infiltrator. The lack of time dilation in multiplayer is why the only infiltrator I play is the Geth Infiltrator with a Geth Plasma Shotgun. (which is freakin awesome, by the way)


Geth Hunter style for the win :)

Modifié par Raistlin Majare 1992, 22 mai 2012 - 04:26 .


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Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

byne wrote...


If you're an infiltrator, one of your class powers gives you sniper time dilation, and snipers also have that concentration mod that slows time even more.

Time dilation is literally the only way I can play an infiltrator. The lack of time dilation in multiplayer is why the only infiltrator I play is the Geth Infiltrator with a Geth Plasma Shotgun. (which is freakin awesome, by the way)


Geth Hunter style for the win :)




I even have my colors set to black, to scare my teammates when we fight against geth.

Once, when all the rest of my team was at extraction, I had to rush to get there, so I was sprinting with my gun charged, and one of my teammates freaked out and was like "Oh **** that geth hunter is fast as hell!"

Its a good thing there is no friendly fire in multiplayer.

Combine my geth hunter who looks like a geth hunter with my vanguard, and I'd be getting teamkilled a hell of a lot.

My vanguard, for reference:

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Modifié par byne, 22 mai 2012 - 04:29 .


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Big G13 wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Damnit! Each time I see Makrys' profile pic, I immediately think of Waldstr!

LOL. Me too. Total pavlovian reflex reaction.:P


Sorry to dissapoint? :blush:

Modifié par Makrys, 22 mai 2012 - 04:30 .