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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark II!


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RavenEyry wrote...

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Yes...but from what I can gather those details are not the sexy alien relationships, watching your yeoman melt, or walking through a field of impaled robo zombies


Melt in the tube or melt as in 'Shepard, what big eyes you have'?



Melting in a tube.

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Damnit! Each time I see Makrys' profile pic, I immediately think of Waldstr!

LOL. Me too. Total pavlovian reflex reaction.:P


Sorry to dissapoint? :blush:


Trust us, finding out you arent Waldstr is the farthest thing from a disappointment that there is.

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HellishFiend wrote...

 I have a hypothesis about the view bobbing on the weapon bench. Since your view bobs throughout the entire london gameplay sequence, it stands to reason that they created and put in a minor version of the severe bob when you "wake up" from harby's beam. 

Well, what if the weapon bench works within the game engine simply by pointing the view at a weapon bench with the weapon models on top of it? Then, it would be subject to the same view bob effect as when you're controlling Shepard. 
Bioware probably realized this when they put it together and said "Hmmm, actually, that works....:devil:"


So, a happy accident of sorts. I guess it's worth considering whether the motion is something they'd have to specifically implement into the inventory screen to retain the effect. 

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byne wrote...

I even have my colors set to black, to scare my teammates when we fight against geth.

Once, when all the rest of my team was at extraction, I had to rush to get there, so I was sprinting with my gun charged, and one of my teammates freaked out and was like "Oh **** that geth hunter is fast as hell!"

Its a good thing there is no friendly fire in multiplayer.

Combine my geth hunter who looks like a geth hunter with my vanguard, and I'd be getting teamkilled a hell of a lot.

My vanguard, for reference:




I was really disappointed that they didnt put "Allied fire!" as one of the friendly fire complaints for the geth.... :(

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dreamgazer wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

 I have a hypothesis about the view bobbing on the weapon bench. Since your view bobs throughout the entire london gameplay sequence, it stands to reason that they created and put in a minor version of the severe bob when you "wake up" from harby's beam. 

Well, what if the weapon bench works within the game engine simply by pointing the view at a weapon bench with the weapon models on top of it? Then, it would be subject to the same view bob effect as when you're controlling Shepard. 
Bioware probably realized this when they put it together and said "Hmmm, actually, that works....:devil:"


So, a happy accident of sorts. I guess it's worth considering whether the motion is something they'd have to specifically implement into the inventory screen to retain the effect. 


Yeah, "happy accident" is more or less what I was going for. Since the weapon bench uses the same gun models you use during actual gameplay, and the bench can load seamlessly during gameplay when you pick up a new weapon, I really do think my hypothesis is correct. 

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HellishFiend wrote...

byne wrote...

I even have my colors set to black, to scare my teammates when we fight against geth.

Once, when all the rest of my team was at extraction, I had to rush to get there, so I was sprinting with my gun charged, and one of my teammates freaked out and was like "Oh **** that geth hunter is fast as hell!"

Its a good thing there is no friendly fire in multiplayer.

Combine my geth hunter who looks like a geth hunter with my vanguard, and I'd be getting teamkilled a hell of a lot.

My vanguard, for reference:




I was really disappointed that they didnt put "Allied fire!" as one of the friendly fire complaints for the geth.... :(


At least my geth does its best hanar impression whenever I activate something during one of the objectives.

"Cover this one!"


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Aren't we changing of subject right now ? :P

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Byne, we should totally play MP sometime. In fact, maybe we could get a whole group of 4 xbox IT theorists together to play a few rounds!

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draken-heart wrote...

right now my currently main thought is that the ending Sequence is just Shepard's mental defenses Kicking in and not full force Indoctrination. Destroy and control are different ways of kicking the Reapers out of Shepard's head and Synthesis is the only choice that allows the Reapers access to Shepard's subconscious.


I don't agree completely with this, but I do agree with the general line of thought: everything that's happening in the Citadel could be taking place in Shepard's mind (or heavily distorted by Shepard's mind), yet: a) the decisions can actually be seen as taken at face-value and executable by the catalyst/Reapers instead of "two for indoctrination, one for real"; and: B) indoctrination symptoms are heavily influencing Shepard's perception.   The other two don't make logical/scientific sense, but that shouldn't stop people from having the chance to interpret that they can make sense with a little faith (and space magic).  Taking that away will not end appealingly for BioWare, but I don't think they want that---even if I kinda-sorta do, given my interpretation of what's right and wrong.

All I know is that everything from Harbinger's beam forward feels intentionally surreal instead of sloppily-executed, and there's more than enough palpable clues to reach the conclusion that indoctrination's in Shepard's system to a moderate degree and that the catalyst is undoubtedly playing favorites with the choices.  There's intent there. 

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Makrys wrote...

Big G13 wrote...

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Damnit! Each time I see Makrys' profile pic, I immediately think of Waldstr!

LOL. Me too. Total pavlovian reflex reaction.:P


Sorry to dissapoint? :blush:

No Ill will intended towards you. You just share an avatar with the most frustratingly ignorant troll this thread has ever seen.:)

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HellishFiend wrote...

Yeah, "happy accident" is more or less what I was going for. 


Hey, some of the better choices and executions in art have hinged on a few happy accidents.  If you put it there and it fits, roll with it.

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Big G13 wrote...
 No Ill will intended towards you. You just share an avatar with the most frustratingly ignorant effective troll this thread has ever seen.:)


I think that's what you meant...

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dreamgazer wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Yeah, "happy accident" is more or less what I was going for. 


Hey, some of the better choices and executions in art have hinged on a few happy accidents.  If you put it there and it fits, roll with it.


Very true. 

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HellishFiend wrote...

Byne, we should totally play MP sometime. In fact, maybe we could get a whole group of 4 xbox IT theorists together to play a few rounds!



Well that extra few hundred EMS won't be coming out any time soon. I'm game.

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blooregard wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Byne, we should totally play MP sometime. In fact, maybe we could get a whole group of 4 xbox IT theorists together to play a few rounds!



Well that extra few hundred EMS won't be coming out any time soon. I'm game.


Cool, post your gamertag here along with what times you could play:

http://social.biowar...scussion/22089/ 

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HellishFiend wrote...

Big G13 wrote...
 No Ill will intended towards you. You just share an avatar with the most frustratingly ignorant effective troll this thread has ever seen.:)


I think that's what you meant...

effective? Please tell me your kidding.

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HellishFiend wrote...

blooregard wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Byne, we should totally play MP sometime. In fact, maybe we could get a whole group of 4 xbox IT theorists together to play a few rounds!



Well that extra few hundred EMS won't be coming out any time soon. I'm game.


Cool, post your gamertag here along with what times you could play:

http://social.biowar...scussion/22089/ 


you should also ask what device were using.... im on PC....

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llbountyhunter wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

blooregard wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Byne, we should totally play MP sometime. In fact, maybe we could get a whole group of 4 xbox IT theorists together to play a few rounds!



Well that extra few hundred EMS won't be coming out any time soon. I'm game.


Cool, post your gamertag here along with what times you could play:

http://social.biowar...scussion/22089/ 


you should also ask what device were using.... im on PC....


I did specify Xbox... PC users should make their own thread in the discussion group and play some games together too, though!

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llbountyhunter wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

blooregard wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Byne, we should totally play MP sometime. In fact, maybe we could get a whole group of 4 xbox IT theorists together to play a few rounds!



Well that extra few hundred EMS won't be coming out any time soon. I'm game.


Cool, post your gamertag here along with what times you could play:

http://social.biowar...scussion/22089/ 


you should also ask what device were using.... im on PC....




Every time I hear or see the word gamertag I think xbox. I just assumed xbox was the natrual response to gamertag

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Big G13 wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Big G13 wrote...
 No Ill will intended towards you. You just share an avatar with the most frustratingly ignorant effective troll this thread has ever seen.:)


I think that's what you meant...

effective? Please tell me your kidding.


Not at all. He got under a lot of people's skin. The rest of us, he got under our skin indirectly by successfully getting under everyone else's skin. Some of us tried getting people to ignore him but they just kept taking the bait, like effective trolls always get people to do. 

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HellishFiend wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

blooregard wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Byne, we should totally play MP sometime. In fact, maybe we could get a whole group of 4 xbox IT theorists together to play a few rounds!



Well that extra few hundred EMS won't be coming out any time soon. I'm game.


Cool, post your gamertag here along with what times you could play:

http://social.biowar...scussion/22089/ 


you should also ask what device were using.... im on PC....


I did specify Xbox... PC users should make their own thread in the discussion group and play some games together too, though!


Well, I'm on the PC for ME3, but if anyone plays Halo 3 or Halo: Reach I'm available on the Xbox 360.

Edit: If anyone's interested, my Origin account is threerocks, and my Xbox Live gamertag is dwaling.

Modifié par Dwailing, 22 mai 2012 - 04:52 .


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HellishFiend wrote...

Big G13 wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Big G13 wrote...
 No Ill will intended towards you. You just share an avatar with the most frustratingly ignorant effective troll this thread has ever seen.:)


I think that's what you meant...

effective? Please tell me your kidding.


Not at all. He got under a lot of people's skin. The rest of us, he got under our skin indirectly by successfully getting under everyone else's skin. Some of us tried getting people to ignore him but they just kept taking the bait, like effective trolls always get people to do. 

Ahhh, I misunderstood what you meant by effective.;)

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Dwailing wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

blooregard wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Byne, we should totally play MP sometime. In fact, maybe we could get a whole group of 4 xbox IT theorists together to play a few rounds!



Well that extra few hundred EMS won't be coming out any time soon. I'm game.


Cool, post your gamertag here along with what times you could play:

http://social.biowar...scussion/22089/ 


you should also ask what device were using.... im on PC....


I did specify Xbox... PC users should make their own thread in the discussion group and play some games together too, though!


Well, I'm on the PC for ME3, but if anyone plays Halo 3 or Halo: Reach I'm available on the Xbox 360.

Edit: If anyone's interested, my Origin account is threerocks, and my Xbox Live gamertag is dwaling.


I'm on the PC, too, and an IT team match would be awesome! My Origin account: iphyZ

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MaximizedAction wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

blooregard wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Byne, we should totally play MP sometime. In fact, maybe we could get a whole group of 4 xbox IT theorists together to play a few rounds!



Well that extra few hundred EMS won't be coming out any time soon. I'm game.


Cool, post your gamertag here along with what times you could play:

http://social.biowar...scussion/22089/ 


you should also ask what device were using.... im on PC....


I did specify Xbox... PC users should make their own thread in the discussion group and play some games together too, though!


Well, I'm on the PC for ME3, but if anyone plays Halo 3 or Halo: Reach I'm available on the Xbox 360.

Edit: If anyone's interested, my Origin account is threerocks, and my Xbox Live gamertag is dwaling.


I'm on the PC, too, and an IT team match would be awesome! My Origin account: iphyZ


Now all we need are Arian and lex0r to get online at some point and we'll be set.

Modifié par Dwailing, 22 mai 2012 - 04:58 .


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blooregard wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

blooregard wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Byne, we should totally play MP sometime. In fact, maybe we could get a whole group of 4 xbox IT theorists together to play a few rounds!



Well that extra few hundred EMS won't be coming out any time soon. I'm game.


Cool, post your gamertag here along with what times you could play:

http://social.biowar...scussion/22089/ 


you should also ask what device were using.... im on PC....




Every time I hear or see the word gamertag I think xbox. I just assumed xbox was the natrual response to gamertag



wasnt aware of that...