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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark II!


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estebanus

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lex0r11 wrote...

Gladius?

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Yes, gladius. 
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Just so it doesn't get too off topic, I repost what I quoted 1 page ago.

HocoG wrote...

Hi, guys. I was thinking about IT clues in
EC, and i come up with idea that Shep was not in dream, but
hallucinating. He is waking up with shock on the citadel, was directed
by Anderson, which was indoctrinated too (TIM can control him), but
Shepard goes to dream because of bleeding after conversation with TIM.
Choices are dream, as well as epilogue.

But this idea getting killed by alive Shepard on Earth.

P.S.
Looking on Leviathan DLC i want to believe that BW had plan from
beginning - lets get back to original ending - it's empty, and after
that Leviathan comes up... With new information. And there will be
several dlc, and in result - ending would be changed. I am an idiot and
optimist :D

Well,
I am still thinking it's a dream. Maybe I am a little too old
fashioned, but I find it suits better. Because none of the endings
should have real world effects.

Edit: (Maybe a halucination from the point where the shuttle crashes, very speculative), and definitely a dream from the point where you get shot down by Harby's laser.

Modifié par UltimateTobi, 11 juillet 2012 - 09:41 .


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OH my I missed all the fine when I went of to have my evening meal with the family.

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Just saying "Hi! Still alive" and hitting the sack, night all.

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Rosewind wrote...

OH my I missed all the fine when I went of to have my evening meal with the family.

well, here's on last sip before I head off to bed with the wine!

*pours you another glass*

There you are! Now, I must excuse myself. It's late and I'm tired. Fare thee well, Rosewind! 

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Arian Dynas wrote...

Just saying "Hi! Still alive" and hitting the sack, night all.


But Masterer Arian can't you stay for a glass of wine *hiccup* and btw your german as well Lexxy? I loooove germans!

I think my monocle fell off!

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estebanus wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

OH my I missed all the fine when I went of to have my evening meal with the family.

well, here's on last sip before I head off to bed with the wine!

*pours you another glass*

There you are! Now, I must excuse myself. It's late and I'm tired. Fare thee well, Rosewind! 


Good evening Master Este, don't worry about the wine I am italian we have 5 kegs of the stuff in the garage lol

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Rosewind wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Just saying "Hi! Still alive" and hitting the sack, night all.


But Masterer Arian can't you stay for a glass of wine *hiccup* and btw your german as well Lexxy? I loooove germans!

I think my monocle fell off!


*hands her the monocle*

I live in Germany and I'm part german, but I was born elsewhere.

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Ahhh why wont you let me centre text in my sig stupid forum.

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Wait a minute, this may be because my visions blurred, but have you guys gone the past 2+ pages of drunk-talk without an Emergency Induction Port joke?? Oh for shame XD

But now I'm going to bed.

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byne wrote...

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BansheeOwnage wrote...

byne wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

In case anyone cares, I'm trying to find out why the new soldier has a phaeston:
*snip*

Hmm. I remember one where someone has a Phaeston... I'll keep looking.


At least it isnt as bad as Javik holding a Disciple when he cant even use shotguns.



This should make you happy Byne Posted Image Looks like they reuse stance poses a lot.


Where do guys keep finding these???

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I just take mine from the wiki.

Also, Justicars should've used the pose Samara uses.

Also the outfit she uses. :whistle:

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Is it just me or is it a case of Cleavage being directly proportional to social status for the Asari?

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lex0r11

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TSA_383 wrote...

byne wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

byne wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

In case anyone cares, I'm trying to find out why the new soldier has a phaeston:
*snip*

Hmm. I remember one where someone has a Phaeston... I'll keep looking.


At least it isnt as bad as Javik holding a Disciple when he cant even use shotguns.



This should make you happy Byne Posted Image Looks like they reuse stance poses a lot.


Where do guys keep finding these???

Google images. Posted Image


I just take mine from the wiki.

Also, Justicars should've used the pose Samara uses.

Also the outfit she uses. :whistle:

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Is it just me or is it a case of Cleavage being directly proportional to social status for the Asari?




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Hahaha, lol laughed so hard my sister walked in asking me what was so funny.

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btw I always did wonder why Jarvik was shown with a disciple when he can't use shotguns.

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lex0r11 wrote...

Gladius?

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Aaand this marks my first lol of the day. :D

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gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

Wait a minute, this may be because my visions blurred, but have you guys gone the past 2+ pages of drunk-talk without an Emergency Induction Port joke?? Oh for shame XD

But now I'm going to bed.


It's noon here :D
Also I was drinking white russian during gold matches yesterday - it was awesome, but may have had some bearing on my getting horribly murdered relatively often...

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lex0r11 wrote...
*snip*
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I suspect that at some point between ME1 and ME3 she and ashley may have attended the same clinic :whistle:

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Chriz Tah Fah wrote...

delldo wrote...

Either and Chris,

I am on my phone so I cannot link a video, but I believe there is a white transition, it happens very quickly while Shepard is shooting the tube... I could be mistaken, but it will be at least another four hours before I can look myself. Oh, I think it happens at the same time that the pistols change...


I looked for myself and I could not find one for the life of me. It was probably the white of the explosion that you might have mistaken for the transition light? Even if the explosion looked the same, I doubt it would be the case since the transition light is deliberately a LONG transition, not a fast one. And in this case there was nothing "transitioning." Even if there was a transition light after Shepard shoots the tube, all it would mean is that after shooting the tube, Shepard broke indoctrination and is "waking up" from the dream due to the transition light. This would mean he/she picked right.


We know the child is called "Guardian" in the game (and by the producers occasionally).

Any thoughts on why "Destroy" is referred to in the game files as "GuardianEnd"?

Obligatory screenshot - GuardianEnd + Files for the rapid pistol switch highlighted:

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estebanus wrote...

Does someone here have a link to Salient Archer's essay about how Shepard couldn't survive the citadel explosion? I'm arguing with someone who thinks that Shepard could easily have survived the explosion because of his/her synthetic parts.


Would it even matter? People who think Shepard could survive that clearly have absolutely no understanding of physics, science, or Mass Effect lore. If one day gravity simply stopped working, it would be weeks before these people notice something is awry. It's conversations with people like that which make me question sentience as a measure of intelligent life. In all likelihood these people believe that the common cold is caused by voodoo dolls and corrupt unicorns. These are the type of people who complain when the price of gas falls because now they have to stop and fill up more often in order to get $50 worth of gas.

Indeed. Mother England and her children have the best accents, don't they?


God Yes. Had a girlfriend that lived in London until she was 24 when she moved over here (USA). Oh that accent...

lex0r11 wrote...

Oh, to make things clear for everyone else.

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Thanks, Lex0r. I've been trying to find a polite way to say that. =/

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TSA_383 wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...
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I suspect that at some point between ME1 and ME3 she and ashley may have attended the same clinic :whistle:

LOL. You forgot to add FemShep and her extreme makeover: facial edition for ME3.

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Rifneno wrote...

Thanks, Lex0r. I've been trying to find a polite way to say that. =/

German is a beautiful language.

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TSA_383 wrote...

Any thoughts on why "Destroy" is referred to in the game files as "GuardianEnd"?


Isn't Destroy the only ending where the Catalyst is actually destroyed (ugh the scientist within me cringes for writing that..)?

Modifié par leonia42, 11 juillet 2012 - 11:32 .


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leonia42 wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

Any thoughts on why "Destroy" is referred to in the game files as "GuardianEnd"?


Isn't Destroy the only ending where the Catalyst is actually destroyed (ugh the scientist within me cringes for writing that..)?

Well, if you see it that way, in Destroy the Catalyst gets destroyed, and in Control the Catalyst gets replaced by a Shepard-Catalyst, which implies that the old Catalyst is "destroyed".

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leonia42 wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

Any thoughts on why "Destroy" is referred to in the game files as "GuardianEnd"?


Isn't Destroy the only ending where the Catalyst is actually destroyed (ugh the scientist within me cringes for writing that..)?


I see what you did there. ;)

Well, I think the only 'evidence' that he will probably be destroyed would be his own words, "The Crucible will not discriminate.". Assuming that he's telling the truth, then yeah, one can assume that he'll also be destroyed, then.
BUT that doesn't equal "Every Synthetic will be destroyed", which also doesn't directly cause problems to Shepard surviving in the breath scene, and so on...
AND, what if you don't trust the Catalyst? Then he's not only NOT destroyed, he might not even be the Catalyst at all.

Ah, that's too much ambiguity to formulate intelligible sentences. :pinched:

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 11 juillet 2012 - 11:41 .


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MaximizedAction wrote...

AND, what if you don't trust the Catalyst? Then he's not only NOT destroyed, he might not even be the Catalyst at all.

Leviathan will tell us (hopefully).

If Leviathan would tell us, that there isn't such kind of AI which controls all Reapers, then we can believe that the end is set up (by Harbinger preferably).

Modifié par UltimateTobi, 11 juillet 2012 - 11:45 .