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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark II!


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Rifneno

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UltimateTobi wrote...

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Thanks, Lex0r. I've been trying to find a polite way to say that. =/

German is a beautiful language.


I think you mean "guttural."

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If it's a Guardian then what is it guarding? Still, I'd rather call it that than simply "The Catalyst". Its function might be similar to a catalyst, hence the name, but it was created and presumably it can be destroyed as well. I love how surprised Shepard sounds when she says "But you were created?" like she was expecting it to be something mystical.

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UltimateTobi

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Rifneno wrote...

I think you mean "guttural."

No, I actually mean beautiful.

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leonia42 wrote...

If it's a Guardian then what is it guarding? Still, I'd rather call it that than simply "The Catalyst". Its function might be similar to a catalyst, hence the name, but it was created and presumably it can be destroyed as well. I love how surprised Shepard sounds when she says "But you were created?" like she was expecting it to be something mystical.


Superstitious awe all over the place!

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 11 juillet 2012 - 11:53 .


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leonia42 wrote...

If it's a Guardian then what is it guarding? Still, I'd rather call it that than simply "The Catalyst". Its function might be similar to a catalyst, hence the name, but it was created and presumably it can be destroyed as well. I love how surprised Shepard sounds when she says "But you were created?" like she was expecting it to be something mystical.

"... viewing the Reaper itself with superstitious awe...". Seems legit.

Beings of Light Theory; the Reapers know what beings of light are, they know everything. So I'd say yeah, showing a thing which looks mystical makes it more trustful I guess. :whistle:

Edit: :ph34r:'d by Maximized. :mellow: :D

Modifié par UltimateTobi, 11 juillet 2012 - 11:55 .


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UltimateTobi wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

I think you mean "guttural."

No, I actually mean beautiful.


That's a beautiful one for sure.  Ever seen one of the all white ones?  My sister bred two of her pure GS, both the classic black and tan, and was shocked when 3 of the pups came out snow white.  Just gorgeous creatures.

The language is still icky though. :)

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UltimateTobi

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Rifneno wrote...

UltimateTobi wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

I think you mean "guttural."

No, I actually mean beautiful.


That's a beautiful one for sure.  Ever seen one of the all white ones?  My sister bred two of her pure GS, both the classic black and tan, and was shocked when 3 of the pups came out snow white.  Just gorgeous creatures.

The language is still icky though. :)

I guess I saw such white dogs once. Cuties.
I am German myself, so thee feel insulted.
*drags white glove and slaps you*

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People, pls.

Don't argue on language preferences, languages are like music, not every ear hears them the same.

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 My clipboard says that badgers are not known for their subtlety or tact. ;)

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MaximizedAction wrote...

People, pls.

Don't argue on language preferences, languages are like music, not every ear hears them the same.


I love German they can make something so romantic sound so dominating :D

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Rosewind wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

People, pls.

Don't argue on language preferences, languages are like music, not every ear hears them the same.


I love German they can make something so romantic sound so dominating :D


That sounds a bit... personal, dont you think? :huh::D

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Rosewind wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

People, pls.

Don't argue on language preferences, languages are like music, not every ear hears them the same.


I love German they can make something so romantic sound so dominating :D

I salute and feel enjoyment.

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Okay, so this is something I've been thinking about lately and I know it's probably been brought up already but it's something to talk about and I want opinions.

So... the Fade white. The fade to white happens in ME3 at the end of dreams (I can't remember if it's there at the start of them) but it also happens in another place. It happens while your in the geth consensus. Specifically it happens each time you had one of the access points and are transferred to a new section of the consensus.

In the Endings, the Fade to white also appears. In two place, firstly when you hit the conduit and are transported up to the citadel (a scene which is some what similar to the way the Access points in the Geth Consensus are portrayed) and secondly in the transition from the room where the confrontation between Illusive Man and Anderson happens to the are with Starbinger in it.

So yeah. I'm not sure what I'm getting at but the similarities between the two are interesting.

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Macross wrote...

Okay, so this is something I've been thinking about lately and I know it's probably been brought up already but it's something to talk about and I want opinions.

So... the Fade white. The fade to white happens in ME3 at the end of dreams (I can't remember if it's there at the start of them) but it also happens in another place. It happens while your in the geth consensus. Specifically it happens each time you had one of the access points and are transferred to a new section of the consensus.

In the Endings, the Fade to white also appears. In two place, firstly when you hit the conduit and are transported up to the citadel (a scene which is some what similar to the way the Access points in the Geth Consensus are portrayed) and secondly in the transition from the room where the confrontation between Illusive Man and Anderson happens to the are with Starbinger in it.

So yeah. I'm not sure what I'm getting at but the similarities between the two are interesting.

And you get the transitioning in Control and Synthesis.
It's well known but I/we appreciate that you brought it up.

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UltimateTobi wrote...
And you get the transitioning in Control and Synthesis.
It's well known but I/we appreciate that you brought it up.


But not in Destroy, or Refuse?

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Andromidius wrote...

UltimateTobi wrote...
And you get the transitioning in Control and Synthesis.
It's well known but I/we appreciate that you brought it up.


But not in Destroy, or Refuse?

It's couple pages ago. But AFAIK not, at least I am not sure.
Someone should clarify this. If not, it could be evidence, though I wouldn't be happy with either be real. (Because that'd mean, that EDI and the geth are really dead, from what you can see of Destroy (EDI's name plague, no geth in slide show), and Refusal, well, I think that's acceptable.)

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Andromidius wrote...

UltimateTobi wrote...
And you get the transitioning in Control and Synthesis.
It's well known but I/we appreciate that you brought it up.


But not in Destroy, or Refuse?

You get the white flashes big-time in Destroy...

leonia42 wrote...

If it's a Guardian then what is it
guarding? Still, I'd rather call it that than simply "The Catalyst". Its
function might be similar to a catalyst, hence the name, but it was
created and presumably it can be destroyed as well. I love how surprised
Shepard sounds when she says "But you were created?" like she was
expecting it to be something mystical.


Well the "Guardian" might be designed to guard something important to the reapers, to stop anyone from having the success to destroy them...

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Guys! listen, and idea just came to me....Remember that promotianal art for ME3? The one that is still at the main page - the one that says "NOW AVAILABLE!" in huge bold letters? Think about it - what do we see there? we see shepard in his armor standing among the rubble looking at incoming reapers.

The collector's edition box has the same art on it, with a small addition - on the other side there is a close up picture of some one picking up someone from concrete rubble. one of the hand has N7 stripe (it looks like the one that helping the other to stand up) , the other one is burned and bloody. Both of those picture luke like it is early morning. (a break of dawn, if you will)..

Now... having played ME3....when does any of it, or something similiar happen? When do we pick up someone from concrete rubble on earth?

I think that is a picture of shepard getting pulled out of the rubble after the breath scene. (though it is implied that it shepard that is pulling someone from the rubble, while taking back earth. I think that it is a poetic image meaning shepard is pulling himself up, like his undamaged spirit and resolve helps to pick himself up and face the fight (the big artwork)).

Thoughts?

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UltimateTobi

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TSA_383 wrote...

You get the white flashes big-time in Destroy...

It's a flash from the explosion, not a solid transitioning. I think that doesn't count.

demersel wrote...

I think that is a
picture of shepard getting pulled out of the rubble after the breath
scene. (though it is implied that it shepard that is pulling someone
from the rubble, while taking back earth. I think that it is a poetic
image meaning shepard is pulling himself up, like his undamaged spirit
and resolve helps to pick himself up and face the fight (the big
artwork)).

Thoughts?

Maybe it's Shepard pulling Shepard out of the rubble, ofcourse in a non-literal sense.

Edit: You already stated it yourself. Well, can't hurt being repeated. :P

Modifié par UltimateTobi, 11 juillet 2012 - 12:37 .


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TSA_383 wrote...
Well the "Guardian" might be designed to guard something important to the reapers, to stop anyone from having the success to destroy them...


If that's true, he's not very good at his job!

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If you think about it, all 4 things must have a transitioning, because neither is real. How can be 2 choices be unreal, and 2 choices be real, if it's all a dream/halucination anyways?

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demersel wrote...

Guys! listen, and idea just came to me....Remember that promotianal art for ME3? The one that is still at the main page - the one that says "NOW AVAILABLE!" in huge bold letters? Think about it - what do we see there? we see shepard in his armor standing among the rubble looking at incoming reapers.

The collector's edition box has the same art on it, with a small addition - on the other side there is a close up picture of some one picking up someone from concrete rubble. one of the hand has N7 stripe (it looks like the one that helping the other to stand up) , the other one is burned and bloody. Both of those picture luke like it is early morning. (a break of dawn, if you will)..

Now... having played ME3....when does any of it, or something similiar happen? When do we pick up someone from concrete rubble on earth?

I think that is a picture of shepard getting pulled out of the rubble after the breath scene. (though it is implied that it shepard that is pulling someone from the rubble, while taking back earth. I think that it is a poetic image meaning shepard is pulling himself up, like his undamaged spirit and resolve helps to pick himself up and face the fight (the big artwork)).

Thoughts?

*Snip*


Didn't some one say they bringing N7 people into MP maybe it represents us in MP with an N7 helping save shepard?

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Checked the endings, their is no bright flash of light transition in any of them (well, control has Shep walking out of the light, but I don't think it counts).

As for the Art book thing, I always found it weird how the imagery seemed really prominent (it's all over the collectors edition and what not) but never had anything to do with anything in the game.... Also, the new MP is adding N7 operatives... so that might tie in some way (how cool would it be to see a character you imported in from MP be the guy to drag Shep out of the ruble in a SP DLC).

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UltimateTobi wrote...

Macross wrote...

Okay, so this is something I've been thinking about lately and I know it's probably been brought up already but it's something to talk about and I want opinions.

So... the Fade white. The fade to white happens in ME3 at the end of dreams (I can't remember if it's there at the start of them) but it also happens in another place. It happens while your in the geth consensus. Specifically it happens each time you had one of the access points and are transferred to a new section of the consensus.

In the Endings, the Fade to white also appears. In two place, firstly when you hit the conduit and are transported up to the citadel (a scene which is some what similar to the way the Access points in the Geth Consensus are portrayed) and secondly in the transition from the room where the confrontation between Illusive Man and Anderson happens to the are with Starbinger in it.

So yeah. I'm not sure what I'm getting at but the similarities between the two are interesting.

And you get the transitioning in Control and Synthesis.
It's well known but I/we appreciate that you brought it up.


You forget the most important transition. As you said, these happen inside the Geth consensus to show going from one place to another inside a VR. It would make sense that they express the same thing when Shepard is dreaming/hallucination... going from one place in a dream to another.

When Shepard gets hit by Harbinger's beam, it's the first transition we see in London. They are already in a dream/hallucinating state when hit.

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UltimateTobi wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

UltimateTobi wrote...
And you get the transitioning in Control and Synthesis.
It's well known but I/we appreciate that you brought it up.


But not in Destroy, or Refuse?

It's couple pages ago. But AFAIK not, at least I am not sure.
Someone should clarify this. If not, it could be evidence, though I wouldn't be happy with either be real. (Because that'd mean, that EDI and the geth are really dead, from what you can see of Destroy (EDI's name plague, no geth in slide show), and Refusal, well, I think that's acceptable.)


I confirmed a few pages ago that Destroy and Refuse DO NOT have the transition light while Control and Synthesis do.