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[TSA_383]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

UltimateTobi wrote...

Control
Synthesis (Only white flash-transitioning where's no explosion.)
Destroy (Closest I could find, but it's not like the dreamy transitioning, more like a little brighter white flash.)
Refusal (No white transitioning found, but I took (presumably) Harbinger flying by.)

There are at least 3 of these:

The reason I find it so significant in destroy is that it coincides with the shot sounds getting more and more muffled and reverberated, and it feels to me (although that's a horribly subjective term) like with each flash you get closer to breaking free...
Which does make the subsequent cutscene somewhat perplexing but would tie into the breath scene quite nicely.

Also, I've clearly seen too much of your Shepard, now seems like the default femshep to me... Certainly better than ol' squirrelface...

demersel wrote...

Guys! listen, and idea just came to
me....Remember that promotianal art for ME3? The one that is still at
the main page - the one that says "NOW AVAILABLE!" in huge bold letters?
Think about it - what do we see there? we see shepard in his armor
standing among the rubble looking at incoming reapers.

The
collector's edition box has the same art on it, with a small addition -
on the other side there is a close up picture of some one picking up
someone from concrete rubble. one of the hand has N7 stripe (it looks
like the one that helping the other to stand up) , the other one is
burned and bloody. Both of those picture luke like it is early morning.
(a break of dawn, if you will)..

Now... having played
ME3....when does any of it, or something similiar happen? When do we
pick up someone from concrete rubble on earth?

I think that is a
picture of shepard getting pulled out of the rubble after the breath
scene. (though it is implied that it shepard that is pulling someone
from the rubble, while taking back earth. I think that it is a poetic
image meaning shepard is pulling himself up, like his undamaged spirit
and resolve helps to pick himself up and face the fight (the big
artwork)).

Thoughts?

It's some telling artwork...do you think those reapers in the last shot are attacking or crashing down? It's honestly difficult to tell. And in fact, they both show Shepard in very similar surroundings to the breath scene

Also, the fact that ME3 was always pitched to us as "TAKE BACK EARTH", when in fact we never really got to do that...

Modifié par TSA_383, 11 juillet 2012 - 01:11 .

[UltimateTobi]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Macross wrote...

@Megumi Yeah, but they are in sync with the gun going off, so I don't know.

You can clearly see differences, some gunshots don't have that and their flashes are different to non existent.

Hm, yeah, if something flashes, I presume it's the tube Shep is shooting at. With that, it's more of a red-white-ish flash. But the transitioning effect filling the whole screen for a split second is definitely different.

Every shot is a break free of Indoc.

[MaximizedAction]

UltimateTobi wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

Sigh. So EA responded to my email.

With a standard form not even really addressing my issue. Its even blantantly a scan from a paper copy.

Fabulous customer service...

Use the live chat support. They're nice and friendly. Always helped me.

I, sir, do not know what live chat you used, but mine was nothing like this. It was rediculously bad. I actually felt sad for them.

But I found the general EA forums far better than the BSNs here. Lost someone in my Origin list once, talked to someone there, and they fixed it somehow.

[Turbo_J]

Macross wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

UltimateTobi wrote...

Macross wrote...

Okay, so this is something I've been thinking about lately and I know it's probably been brought up already but it's something to talk about and I want opinions.

So... the Fade white. The fade to white happens in ME3 at the end of dreams (I can't remember if it's there at the start of them) but it also happens in another place. It happens while your in the geth consensus. Specifically it happens each time you had one of the access points and are transferred to a new section of the consensus.

In the Endings, the Fade to white also appears. In two place, firstly when you hit the conduit and are transported up to the citadel (a scene which is some what similar to the way the Access points in the Geth Consensus are portrayed) and secondly in the transition from the room where the confrontation between Illusive Man and Anderson happens to the are with Starbinger in it.

So yeah. I'm not sure what I'm getting at but the similarities between the two are interesting.

And you get the transitioning in Control and Synthesis.
It's well known but I/we appreciate that you brought it up.

You forget the most important transition. As you said, these happen inside the Geth consensus to show going from one place to another inside a VR. It would make sense that they express the same thing when Shepard is dreaming/hallucination... going from one place in a dream to another.

When Shepard gets hit by Harbinger's beam, it's the first transition we see in London. They are already in a dream/hallucinating state when hit.

Or it could be Shep entering the dream/hallucination. I'm  pretty sure you also get the transition when you first enter the consensus. 

I'm also interested, are there any points of White transition in London?

No, there is no transition when entering the consensus, entering a dream or getting knocked unconscious. The transitions happen AFTER Shepard is already in the consensus or in a dream state.

As far as I know, the only London halo transition in London is after the beam hit. This means that the truck/transport cash - which suddenly and abruptly has everyone standing out side of the burning vehicle, is where the full on hallucination starts. However, I think Shepard is up and moving... they're just on their own. This explains why the squad acts so weird up to the Harbinger hit... and they still act that way even in the EC. I've had them disappear on me completely then suddenly appear in front of me.

[Rosewind]

CoolioThane wrote...

iiNOMADii wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

iiNOMADii wrote...

So what's the current IT consensus on how it would be revealed?

Are you thinking it would be through additional ME3 DLC or a new Mass Effect (4)?

God I hope it is not a ME4

I honestly don't see any other practical way of doing it, though.  DLC seems like it would be ridiculous (pay to see the REAL ending...unless it's free I suppose).  

But IT could work like an expansion pack. Remember those days? God I loved expansion packs...If you add all DLC together it could be classed as an Expansion pack, but I'm hoping IT works similarly to Awakening for DA:O...that'd be ****ing amazing

Yeah I miss those days.....

[MegumiAzusa]

MaximizedAction wrote...

UltimateTobi wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

Sigh. So EA responded to my email.

With a standard form not even really addressing my issue. Its even blantantly a scan from a paper copy.

Fabulous customer service...

Use the live chat support. They're nice and friendly. Always helped me.

I, sir, do not know what live chat you used, but mine was nothing like this. It was rediculously bad. I actually felt sad for them.

But I found the general EA forums far better than the BSNs here. Lost someone in my Origin list once, talked to someone there, and they fixed it somehow.

Used live support 2 or 3 times now, always fast, friendly, and with success.

[Macross]

I would love to see and expansion of IT, it could end amazingly depending on what you choose and you could get a legitimate boss battle with Harby.

End choise would affect it this way.

Pick Synth: Fully Indoctrinated, in the final battle Harby takes over your body and you have to fight against the your crew (them becoming the final bosses). You end up killing them and Reapers completely win.

Pick Control: Semi Indoc: You still fight your squadmates and maybe kill one or a few of them. You managed to break out of control and then duke it out with Harby, win Shep may have to end up killing himself and terrible cost to the galaxy.

Pick Destroy: No-Indoc, shepard doesn't have to fight crew and goes onto the fight Harby (who has indoctrinated TIM or Coats or something and is using them as an avatar).

Pick Reject: Your dead, for some reason I see this as the Shep pulled a Saren and killed himself ending when relating to IT.

After that you see the affect your choices had on the galaxy. The end.

I think something like that would be awesome.

[MaximizedAction]

TSA_383 wrote...

Also, the fact that ME3 was always pitched to us as "TAKE BACK EARTH", when in fact we never really got to do that...

Yep, this! Also, ever since someone here suggested a re-interpretation of the fact that Shepard is always seen standing in front of the Reapers: It also can be seen as the Reapers are 'right behind' Shepard, or he's controling them.

Even if that utter bullsh*t I still think it's something that I cannot unsee anymore.

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 11 juillet 2012 - 01:16 .

[MaximizedAction]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

UltimateTobi wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

Sigh. So EA responded to my email.

With a standard form not even really addressing my issue. Its even blantantly a scan from a paper copy.

Fabulous customer service...

Use the live chat support. They're nice and friendly. Always helped me.

I, sir, do not know what live chat you used, but mine was nothing like this. It was rediculously bad. I actually felt sad for them.

But I found the general EA forums far better than the BSNs here. Lost someone in my Origin list once, talked to someone there, and they fixed it somehow.

Used live support 2 or 3 times now, always fast, friendly, and with success.

I feel excluded now.

[MegumiAzusa]

Macross wrote...

I would love to see and expansion of IT, it could end amazingly depending on what you choose and you could get a legitimate boss battle with Harby.

End choise would affect it this way.

Pick Synth: Fully Indoctrinated, in the final battle Harby takes over your body and you have to fight against the your crew (them becoming the final bosses). You end up killing them and Reapers completely win.

Pick Control: Semi Indoc: You still fight your squadmates and maybe kill one or a few of them. You managed to break out of control and then duke it out with Harby, win Shep may have to end up killing himself and terrible cost to the galaxy.

Pick Destroy: No-Indoc, shepard doesn't have to fight crew and goes onto the fight Harby (who has indoctrinated TIM or Coats or something and is using them as an avatar).

Pick Reject: Your dead, for some reason I see this as the Shep pulled a Saren and killed himself ending when relating to IT.

After that you see the affect your choices had on the galaxy. The end.

I think something like that would be awesome.

The savegames say rejecting kills everyone.

[UltimateTobi]

Macross wrote...

Pick Reject: Your dead, for some reason I see this as the Shep pulled a Saren and killed himself ending when relating to IT.

Hm, yes, Saren somewhat rejected all what happened. He never broke through the Indoc., he just delayed it/choked it for a little, just enough time to kill himself.
In his core, he was a good turian.

[Macross]

Well everyone would still die. Shepard shot himself in the head, no one left to save the galaxy. I'm just fantasying about my ideal endgame, that's all.

[UltimateTobi]

Macross wrote...

Well everyone would still die. Shepard shot himself in the head, no one left to save the galaxy. I'm just fantasying about my ideal endgame, that's all.

I... couldn't... shoot... Tali...
I rather make a mission failure instead of shooting squadmates.

[MegumiAzusa]

Macross wrote...

Well everyone would still die. Shepard shot himself in the head, no one left to save the galaxy. I'm just fantasying about my ideal endgame, that's all.

No I don't think Shepard would pull a "shot herself in the head" move, she is too much "there is always another way" kind of person.

[Rifneno]

UltimateTobi wrote...

Macross wrote...

Pick Reject: Your dead, for some reason I see this as the Shep pulled a Saren and killed himself ending when relating to IT.

Hm, yes, Saren somewhat rejected all what happened. He never broke through the Indoc., he just delayed it/choked it for a little, just enough time to kill himself.
In his core, he was a good turian.

No, in his core he was a horrible monster.  Saren wasn't exactly a good guy even before getting indoctrinated.  Remember his past with Anderson?  That was indoctrination free.

[Macross]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Macross wrote...

Well everyone would still die. Shepard shot himself in the head, no one left to save the galaxy. I'm just fantasying about my ideal endgame, that's all.

No I don't think Shepard would pull a "shot herself in the head" move, she is too much "there is always another way" kind of person.

Yeah, another way. Tis called Destroy. What I'm trying to say is that Reject ending is just Shep escaping Indoc by shooting himself in the head. It explains why there's no real epilogue (even the low EMS destroy where everything went to ****, we got an epilogue instead of a brief cutscene) and Reject's epiologue would still work and make sense even of IT was true...

But like I said, this just me fantasying. 

[UltimateTobi]

Rifneno wrote...

UltimateTobi wrote...

Macross wrote...

Pick Reject: Your dead, for some reason I see this as the Shep pulled a Saren and killed himself ending when relating to IT.

Hm, yes, Saren somewhat rejected all what happened. He never broke through the Indoc., he just delayed it/choked it for a little, just enough time to kill himself.
In his core, he was a good turian.

No, in his core he was a horrible monster.  Saren wasn't exactly a good guy even before getting indoctrinated.  Remember his past with Anderson?  That was indoctrination free.

Hm, I just know the scene where he got back to himsel, thanked my Shepard and shot himself, to prevent further damage.
He might be a rude and sneaky person, but he wouldn't want the galaxy to be destroyed. An ****, sneaky and rude, possibly. A monster? I don't think so. Though I admit I don't remember exactly what there was between Saren and Anderson.

[Rifneno]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Macross wrote...

Well everyone would still die. Shepard shot himself in the head, no one left to save the galaxy. I'm just fantasying about my ideal endgame, that's all.

No I don't think Shepard would pull a "shot herself in the head" move, she is too much "there is always another way" kind of person.

Shepard is whatever kind of person the player wants them to be.  Yours might not pull that but some would.  Of course it'd have to be a clearer option than symbolism in reject.

[iiNOMADii]

Rosewind wrote...

iiNOMADii wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

iiNOMADii wrote...

So what's the current IT consensus on how it would be revealed?

Are you thinking it would be through additional ME3 DLC or a new Mass Effect (4)?

God I hope it is not a ME4

I honestly don't see any other practical way of doing it, though.  DLC seems like it would be ridiculous (pay to see the REAL ending...unless it's free I suppose).  

How about an expansion, cause the way I see it the game is finished we just don't know what happens after the end.

That could actually work, but think about it: when is the last time expansion packs have been released for bigger games like these?  Seems like standard DLC is the way to go now, but prove me wrong, since I really would like to see IT be the real deal.

[MegumiAzusa]

Rifneno wrote...

UltimateTobi wrote...

Macross wrote...

Pick Reject: Your dead, for some reason I see this as the Shep pulled a Saren and killed himself ending when relating to IT.

Hm, yes, Saren somewhat rejected all what happened. He never broke through the Indoc., he just delayed it/choked it for a little, just enough time to kill himself.
In his core, he was a good turian.

No, in his core he was a horrible monster.  Saren wasn't exactly a good guy even before getting indoctrinated.  Remember his past with Anderson?  That was indoctrination free.

Uhm no he was not. Read the comic where TIM gets indoctrinated.

[MegumiAzusa]

Macross wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Macross wrote...

Well everyone would still die. Shepard shot himself in the head, no one left to save the galaxy. I'm just fantasying about my ideal endgame, that's all.

No I don't think Shepard would pull a "shot herself in the head" move, she is too much "there is always another way" kind of person.

Yeah, another way. Tis called Destroy. What I'm trying to say is that Reject ending is just Shep escaping Indoc by shooting himself in the head. It explains why there's no real epilogue (even the low EMS destroy where everything went to ****, we got an epilogue instead of a brief cutscene) and Reject's epiologue would still work and make sense even of IT was true...

But like I said, this just me fantasying.

A more expanded epilogue would have to either confirm or deny IT, BW doesn't want that as they stated multiple times.

[Rosewind]

*Puts her monocle on* Maybe Bioware is going to do it again they have said they want to do something different and releasing an expansion is something different since no one doing it any more.

[Lord Luc1fer]

This may be a big ask, but what's new for the las two weeks? Been web free on holidays, so is there still new evidence surfacing or are we looking at how the next step can lead from EC? Thanks in advance

[UltimateTobi]

Lord Luc1fer wrote...

This may be a big ask, but what's new for the las two weeks? Been web free on holidays, so is there still new evidence surfacing or are we looking at how the next step can lead from EC? Thanks in advance

Read from 10 pages back. I guess you get feed quite well.

[Lord Luc1fer]

UltimateTobi wrote...

Lord Luc1fer wrote...

This may be a big ask, but what's new for the las two weeks? Been web free on holidays, so is there still new evidence surfacing or are we looking at how the next step can lead from EC? Thanks in advance

Read from 10 pages back. I guess you get feed quite well.

ok, only last ten?  I looked back a couple and it's the same speculative goodness yes? anyone know if the OP has changed post EC? And thanks UltimateTobi:happy: