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[byne]

Bones 6oS wrote...

Just one thing, why would bioware expand on all the endings with additional scenes, if none of it really happened?
And if Shepard refuses, shouldn't he get the breath scene, according to your theory?

For the first: because they miscalculated and thought the original endings would be enough to hold people over until IT was revealed.

For the second: because reject is giving up and being indecisive. Even in control or synthesis Shepard is decisive.

I'd say reject is probably the most  indoctrinated of all the endings.

Modifié par byne, 11 juillet 2012 - 10:22 .

[masster blaster]

[quote]TSA_383 wrote...

[quote]masster blaster wrote...

Oh guys I havehope you don't mind, but I ask Bones to come to our Thread so please be nice to Bones, and try not to get angry at Bones.

Also TSA can you repost the Destroy ending file name about the Guardian.[/quote]

Why certainly:


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Look at it Bones, and use quote to look at it better, and you can see what I am talking about.

Also I recomand you talk with use for a while, but that's up to you.

[TSA_383]

byne wrote...

Sigh. I'd say remove the second image before people start flooding the thread with similar crap like always seems to happen with those images.

Naw, we just get back to our speculations! 

SO - Can anyone think of any literal reason in the game as to why the red ending is "Guardianend" (with "Guardian" being the "Catalyst" in this case)?
Because that seems to support the idea of the guardian as a test, as indoctrination as far as I'm concerned...

[UltimateTobi]

TSA_383 wrote...

byne wrote...

Sigh. I'd say remove the second image before people start flooding the thread with similar crap like always seems to happen with those images.

Naw, we just get back to our speculations! 

SO - Can anyone think of any literal reason in the game as to why the red ending is "Guardianend" (with "Guardian" being the "Catalyst" in this case)?
Because that seems to support the idea of the guardian as a test, as indoctrination as far as I'm concerned...

Guardian, Crucible. 2 words already with an extended meaning.

Edit: @masster, right clicking and then "View Image" will do it.

Modifié par UltimateTobi, 11 juillet 2012 - 10:25 .

[GethPrimeMKII]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

Why is this thread still going?

Because there is much speculating to be done, my friend.

The ending is set in stone, good sir.

You mean the ending stated, by Bioware themselves, to be open to fan interpretation? 

[Simon_Says]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

Why is this thread still going?

Because there is much speculating to be done, my friend.

The ending is set in stone, good sir.

And there are still questions to be answered. Such as why Harbinger didn't shoot down the Normandy during the evac. What was that noise when Shepard woke up? How does Anderson still get to the control panel? Why does the conduit even go to the control panel? Among others...

And most importantly: How and why does the Starbrat assume the form the child from Earth?

As long as there are questions, there will be speculation.

Modifié par Simon_Says, 11 juillet 2012 - 10:26 .

[paxxton]

byne wrote...

Bones 6oS wrote...

Just one thing, why would bioware expand on all the endings with additional scenes, if none of it really happened?
And if Shepard refuses, shouldn't he get the breath scene, according to your theory?

For the first: because they miscalculated and thought the original endings would be enough to hold people over until IT was revealed.

For the second: because reject is giving up and being indecisive. Even in control or synthesis Shepard is decisive.

I'd say reject is probably the most  indoctrinated of all the endings.

[masster blaster]

TSA_383 wrote...

byne wrote...

Sigh. I'd say remove the second image before people start flooding the thread with similar crap like always seems to happen with those images.

Naw, we just get back to our speculations! 

SO - Can anyone think of any literal reason in the game as to why the red ending is "Guardianend" (with "Guardian" being the "Catalyst" in this case)?
Because that seems to support the idea of the guardian as a test, as indoctrination as far as I'm concerned...

It's plasuble, but I want Bioware to talk about this at SDCC, but they won't. Since they don't want to comennt on some of the evidence we have asked them on Twitter, Face book, and on here, but give it time. Maybe they will talk about it, or not.

[byne]

paxxton wrote...

byne wrote...

Bones 6oS wrote...

Just one thing, why would bioware expand on all the endings with additional scenes, if none of it really happened?
And if Shepard refuses, shouldn't he get the breath scene, according to your theory?

For the first: because they miscalculated and thought the original endings would be enough to hold people over until IT was revealed.

For the second: because reject is giving up and being indecisive. Even in control or synthesis Shepard is decisive.

I'd say reject is probably the most  indoctrinated of all the endings.

Well, when you're given three choices to end the Reaper threat, and pick none of them and choose to lose, you tell me how that isnt more indoctrinated than choosing to end the threat.

[masster blaster]

UltimateTobi wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

byne wrote...

Sigh. I'd say remove the second image before people start flooding the thread with similar crap like always seems to happen with those images.

Naw, we just get back to our speculations! 

SO - Can anyone think of any literal reason in the game as to why the red ending is "Guardianend" (with "Guardian" being the "Catalyst" in this case)?
Because that seems to support the idea of the guardian as a test, as indoctrination as far as I'm concerned...

Guardian, Crucible. 2 words already with an extended meaning.

Edit: @masster, right clicking and then "View Image" will do it.

now you tell me, just kiding, but thanks.

[paxxton]

byne wrote...

paxxton wrote...

byne wrote...

Bones 6oS wrote...

Just one thing, why would bioware expand on all the endings with additional scenes, if none of it really happened?
And if Shepard refuses, shouldn't he get the breath scene, according to your theory?

For the first: because they miscalculated and thought the original endings would be enough to hold people over until IT was revealed.

For the second: because reject is giving up and being indecisive. Even in control or synthesis Shepard is decisive.

I'd say reject is probably the most  indoctrinated of all the endings.

Well, when you're given three choices to end the Reaper threat, and pick none of them and choose to lose, you tell me how that isnt more indoctrinated than choosing to end the threat.

Maybe Shepard sees past the veil of the Catalyst's lies and refuses to participate in his game.

[UltimateTobi]

paxxton wrote...

byne wrote...

paxxton wrote...

byne wrote...

Bones 6oS wrote...

Just one thing, why would bioware expand on all the endings with additional scenes, if none of it really happened?
And if Shepard refuses, shouldn't he get the breath scene, according to your theory?

For the first: because they miscalculated and thought the original endings would be enough to hold people over until IT was revealed.

For the second: because reject is giving up and being indecisive. Even in control or synthesis Shepard is decisive.

I'd say reject is probably the most  indoctrinated of all the endings.

Well, when you're given three choices to end the Reaper threat, and pick none of them and choose to lose, you tell me how that isnt more indoctrinated than choosing to end the threat.

Maybe Shepard sees past the veil of the Catalyst's lies and refuses to participate in his game.

And ending up dead as a mental wreckage, hence of no use. Yep.

[masster blaster]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

Why is this thread still going?

Because there is much speculating to be done, my friend.

The ending is set in stone, good sir.

You mean the ending stated, by Bioware themselves, to be open to fan interpretation? 

That was four months ago when they had no intention of making their ending make sense.

Well ask me this please. If the Leviathan DLC cann't change the endings, then why does it count has a War asset, and why does Shepard ask the Catalyst about the Levianthan's. And yes it's in the EC files, and Bioware will make there state ment on the leviathan dlc during SDCC.

[paxxton]

UltimateTobi wrote...

paxxton wrote...

byne wrote...

paxxton wrote...

byne wrote...

Bones 6oS wrote...

Just one thing, why would bioware expand on all the endings with additional scenes, if none of it really happened?
And if Shepard refuses, shouldn't he get the breath scene, according to your theory?

For the first: because they miscalculated and thought the original endings would be enough to hold people over until IT was revealed.

For the second: because reject is giving up and being indecisive. Even in control or synthesis Shepard is decisive.

I'd say reject is probably the most  indoctrinated of all the endings.

Well, when you're given three choices to end the Reaper threat, and pick none of them and choose to lose, you tell me how that isnt more indoctrinated than choosing to end the threat.

Maybe Shepard sees past the veil of the Catalyst's lies and refuses to participate in his game.

And ending up dead as a mental wreckage, hence of no use. Yep.

No, he just wakes up as he was before collapsing. Nothing changes in his mind.

[Straw Nihilist]

Okay man... What am I supposed to be looking at here? I don't see the significance of the file?

[GethPrimeMKII]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

Why is this thread still going?

Because there is much speculating to be done, my friend.

The ending is set in stone, good sir.

You mean the ending stated, by Bioware themselves, to be open to fan interpretation? 

That was four months ago when they had no intention of making their ending make sense.

When you and the other literalists can account for all the plotholes and inconsistencies STILL present in the ending after 4months of work on the EC, maybe people will stop speculating. I doubt you'll ever get to that point. You'd have to reach pretty far up your own ass to explain the ending from a literal perspective.

I'm not trying to be a jerk about it either. It really still makes no sense from that perspective no matter how you try to explain it. It just doesn't.

Modifié par GethPrimeMKII, 11 juillet 2012 - 10:33 .

[TJBartlemus]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

Why is this thread still going?

Because there is much speculating to be done, my friend.

The ending is set in stone, good sir.

You mean the ending stated, by Bioware themselves, to be open to fan interpretation? 

That was four months ago when they had no intention of making their ending make sense.

They also said they wouldn't add any new endings. Hmmmm.....  (But they added Reject? WHHAAA????)

[UltimateTobi]

paxxton wrote...

UltimateTobi wrote...

paxxton wrote...

byne wrote...

paxxton wrote...

byne wrote...

Bones 6oS wrote...

Just one thing, why would bioware expand on all the endings with additional scenes, if none of it really happened?
And if Shepard refuses, shouldn't he get the breath scene, according to your theory?

For the first: because they miscalculated and thought the original endings would be enough to hold people over until IT was revealed.

For the second: because reject is giving up and being indecisive. Even in control or synthesis Shepard is decisive.

I'd say reject is probably the most  indoctrinated of all the endings.

Well, when you're given three choices to end the Reaper threat, and pick none of them and choose to lose, you tell me how that isnt more indoctrinated than choosing to end the threat.

Maybe Shepard sees past the veil of the Catalyst's lies and refuses to participate in his game.

And ending up dead as a mental wreckage, hence of no use. Yep.

No, he just wakes up as he was before collapsing. Nothing changes in his mind.

Uhm, why no breath scene then?

[byne]

paxxton wrote...

byne wrote...

paxxton wrote...

byne wrote...

Bones 6oS wrote...

Just one thing, why would bioware expand on all the endings with additional scenes, if none of it really happened?
And if Shepard refuses, shouldn't he get the breath scene, according to your theory?

For the first: because they miscalculated and thought the original endings would be enough to hold people over until IT was revealed.

For the second: because reject is giving up and being indecisive. Even in control or synthesis Shepard is decisive.

I'd say reject is probably the most  indoctrinated of all the endings.

Well, when you're given three choices to end the Reaper threat, and pick none of them and choose to lose, you tell me how that isnt more indoctrinated than choosing to end the threat.

Maybe Shepard sees past the veil of the Catalyst's lies and refuses to participate in his game.

Shepard still says they'll fight and try to win without using the Crucible. Whether or not she sees past the godchild's lies, she resolves herself to not use the Crucible, and to fight the Reapers conventionally. She has basically given up hope of winning at that point.

If she thought the godchild was just lying about what the Crucible does, she'd just tell him to ****** off and activate the Crucible anyways, which she doesnt do.

[TJBartlemus]

Dwailing wrote...

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

Simon_Says wrote...

Also, does anyone have Arian's potential DLC timeline? Cause this Earth DLC... He called it, methinks.

So did I, but with some differences:
http://social.biowar.../index/12128204

But seriously - We have a game mode that can involve a bunch of Spec ops extracting a certain operative from London?

HINT MUCH?

Did they specifically say "a certain operative" or just "an operative? If its the latter, I would not put much hope in this MP DLC being a major hint. 

I don't actually know if Shepard is going to be the operative.  I just heard that the new objective would be escorting designated operatives to an evac zone and felt like referencing the idea that Shepard might be one of them.

What if the operative is a normal guy regularly but in the legend save if you chose destroy and he survived it was Shepard??  Could explain the point of the legend save, but seems quite unlikely.

[byne]

Bones 6oS wrote...

Okay man... What am I supposed to be looking at here? I don't see the significance of the file?

Even I dont know what point masster blaster is trying to make by telling you to look at the picture.

But then, I dont understand half of what masster blaster says anyways...

[byne]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

Why is this thread still going?

Because there is much speculating to be done, my friend.

The ending is set in stone, good sir.

You mean the ending stated, by Bioware themselves, to be open to fan interpretation? 

That was four months ago when they had no intention of making their ending make sense.

Well ask me this please. If the Leviathan DLC cann't change the endings, then why does it count has a War asset, and why does Shepard ask the Catalyst about the Levianthan's. And yes it's in the EC files, and Bioware will make there state ment on the leviathan dlc during SDCC.

Leviathan DLC?

A DLC that had some of its files included in the EC.

Apparently you find a Reaper traitor or something, and can get it to help you fight the other Reapers.

A Reaper traitor in and of itself would seem to prove godchild is full of crap when he says he controls the Reapers, IT or not.