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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark II!


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Simon_Says wrote...

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Since we're short on speculation, let me ask, why does the guardian speak with Shepard's voice?

It's been pointed out that two of the channels are the male and female Shepard voices echoing the Guardian's conversation. It definately indicates that things are "not as they appear", and they made it clearer with the EC.

To me it suggests that the whole encounter isn't actually a conversation at all, but rather Shepard rationalizing the whispers from the reapers.

TRUST US

OBEY US

Saren didn't come to the conclusion that the reapers would let some of his poeple live on if he worked with them because Sovereign told him so, but rather because he convinced himself that Sovereign told him that.

One of the better arguments for the literal endings is that a power that controls the reapers is forshadowed by the Prothean VI. But what if it's the other way around? Shepard finds the Guardian because Shepard expects one to be there.


And if there was a higher power, it's not neccesarily an AI... (check sig hint hint)


I have, though I didn't have anything to add. It reminded me of the idea that language is a virus and a novel called Snowcrash by Neal Stephenson. Hmmph, maybe I did have something to add.

Simon_Says wrote...

But y'know, I like this idea actually. Except I'm not entirely sure why then there'd be two false leads if the choice is sorta-kinda self-imposed. Why not just the one?

-edit- Top o' de page to ye!


Synthesis strikes me as a curveball. If youre losing the argument, change direction. It dosen't have to make sense, it just has to throw the other person off balance. Which is why Synthesis makes the least sense under a rational eye. (space magic)

adding: It's not that Shepard is having the argument in a vacuum, its just that the other side is a bunch of reaper horns, not clear human thoughts.

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Arian Dynas wrote...

Hey guys, what's new?


Still reeling over the fact they apparently thought anyone wants to play Kai Leng in MP.  The fanbase is split between people who can't take him seriously because he's a retarded cliche and people who can't take him seriously because of the cereal killer thing.  The only disagreement we as a fanbase have is over the biggest reason that he's a bad joke.  But let's stick a mask on him and put him in MP or something.

Although they also refered to the dlc as "the worst kept secret in the galaxy."  Pfft.  Everyone knows the worst kept secret is Area 51.  You can see the damn thing on Google Earth and people still go "no, it's not there!"

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Should probably play some ME3 mp, but I'm absolutely loving this run through of ME2. I think no sleep tonight and just finish this playthough then ravage some Gold.

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I just feel like saying that I still believe in the Indoctrination Theory. I'm still holding out that the upcoming DLCs for SP combined with high assets and the refusal/destroy end it might change the ending.

Also it's likely that Mass Effect might be the last IP I pre-order/ buy at a new price due to Dragon Age Awakening (and post end DLCs), Dragon Age 2, and Mass Effect 3.

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Rifneno wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Hey guys, what's new?


Still reeling over the fact they apparently thought anyone wants to play Kai Leng in MP.  The fanbase is split between people who can't take him seriously because he's a retarded cliche and people who can't take him seriously because of the cereal killer thing.  The only disagreement we as a fanbase have is over the biggest reason that he's a bad joke.  But let's stick a mask on him and put him in MP or something.

Although they also refered to the dlc as "the worst kept secret in the galaxy."  Pfft.  Everyone knows the worst kept secret is Area 51.  You can see the damn thing on Google Earth and people still go "no, it's not there!"

i honestly dont know why people hate kai leng, i saw no problems with him as a character at all, granted he wasnt as great as all the other characters in ME, but i thought he was developed well enough through the novels.

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jgibson14352 wrote...

i honestly dont know why people hate kai leng, i saw no problems with him as a character at all, granted he wasnt as great as all the other characters in ME, but i thought he was developed well enough through the novels.


Plot armor + Insta gib + acne. For most people ME3 is their first encounter with him.

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jgibson14352 wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Hey guys, what's new?


Still reeling over the fact they apparently thought anyone wants to play Kai Leng in MP.  The fanbase is split between people who can't take him seriously because he's a retarded cliche and people who can't take him seriously because of the cereal killer thing.  The only disagreement we as a fanbase have is over the biggest reason that he's a bad joke.  But let's stick a mask on him and put him in MP or something.

Although they also refered to the dlc as "the worst kept secret in the galaxy."  Pfft.  Everyone knows the worst kept secret is Area 51.  You can see the damn thing on Google Earth and people still go "no, it's not there!"

i honestly dont know why people hate kai leng, i saw no problems with him as a character at all, granted he wasnt as great as all the other characters in ME, but i thought he was developed well enough through the novels.


He was a fun guy to hate ^_^
And cereal stealing technically can't count against him.

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Man, the thread is slow today.

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byne wrote...

Man, the thread is slow today.


Should we get out and push?

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Well I'm with Turbo and Auralius failing at reaper gold.

The biggest threat isn't the banshees, it's the risk of disconnection.

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Vaya wrote...

byne wrote...

Man, the thread is slow today.


Should we get out and push?

Time to save the day! *jumpstart* :wizard:
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Rifneno wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Hey guys, what's new?


Still reeling over the fact they apparently thought anyone wants to play Kai Leng in MP.  The fanbase is split between people who can't take him seriously because he's a retarded cliche and people who can't take him seriously because of the cereal killer thing.  The only disagreement we as a fanbase have is over the biggest reason that he's a bad joke.  But let's stick a mask on him and put him in MP or something.

Although they also refered to the dlc as "the worst kept secret in the galaxy."  Pfft.  Everyone knows the worst kept secret is Area 51.  You can see the damn thing on Google Earth and people still go "no, it's not there!"


"Cereal killer thing?" :huh:

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Lokanaiya wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Hey guys, what's new?


Still reeling over the fact they apparently thought anyone wants to play Kai Leng in MP.  The fanbase is split between people who can't take him seriously because he's a retarded cliche and people who can't take him seriously because of the cereal killer thing.  The only disagreement we as a fanbase have is over the biggest reason that he's a bad joke.  But let's stick a mask on him and put him in MP or something.

Although they also refered to the dlc as "the worst kept secret in the galaxy."  Pfft.  Everyone knows the worst kept secret is Area 51.  You can see the damn thing on Google Earth and people still go "no, it's not there!"


"Cereal killer thing?" :huh:


It's from the novel Mass Effect: Deception, which was apparently so bad BioWare had to declare it non-canon or whatever. In it, Kai Leng breaks into Anderson's home, eats a bowl of his cereal and pees in his plant, for the jollies of it or something.

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Kai Leng: Even more effective villain than Starbrat.

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CoolioThane

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I chose not to buy Deception, after seeing every review mentioned it being dog****

Pretty funny...get payed (I assume) by Bioware to write a story, so bad it's declared fan fiction :P

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Simon_Says wrote...

Well I'm with Turbo and Auralius failing at reaper gold.

The biggest threat isn't the banshees, it's the risk of disconnection.


I can play just fine, and I rock at Reaper gold.

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Starbuck8 wrote...

Lokanaiya wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Hey guys, what's new?


Still reeling over the fact they apparently thought anyone wants to play Kai Leng in MP.  The fanbase is split between people who can't take him seriously because he's a retarded cliche and people who can't take him seriously because of the cereal killer thing.  The only disagreement we as a fanbase have is over the biggest reason that he's a bad joke.  But let's stick a mask on him and put him in MP or something.

Although they also refered to the dlc as "the worst kept secret in the galaxy."  Pfft.  Everyone knows the worst kept secret is Area 51.  You can see the damn thing on Google Earth and people still go "no, it's not there!"


"Cereal killer thing?" :huh:


It's from the novel Mass Effect: Deception, which was apparently so bad BioWare had to declare it non-canon or whatever. In it, Kai Leng breaks into Anderson's home, eats a bowl of his cereal and pees in his plant, for the jollies of it or something.


Well I hate Kai Leng only because he killed Thane. If he did not kill Thane, well I would have just granted Kai Leng a mersafal death.

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jgibson14352

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Starbuck8 wrote...

Lokanaiya wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Hey guys, what's new?


Still reeling over the fact they apparently thought anyone wants to play Kai Leng in MP.  The fanbase is split between people who can't take him seriously because he's a retarded cliche and people who can't take him seriously because of the cereal killer thing.  The only disagreement we as a fanbase have is over the biggest reason that he's a bad joke.  But let's stick a mask on him and put him in MP or something.

Although they also refered to the dlc as "the worst kept secret in the galaxy."  Pfft.  Everyone knows the worst kept secret is Area 51.  You can see the damn thing on Google Earth and people still go "no, it's not there!"


"Cereal killer thing?" :huh:


It's from the novel Mass Effect: Deception, which was apparently so bad BioWare had to declare it non-canon or whatever. In it, Kai Leng breaks into Anderson's home, eats a bowl of his cereal and pees in his plant, for the jollies of it or something.

good thing i didnt read that one, i heard it was bad, and didnt buy it, although i had my doubts. why would someone write that? you think someone would have read the book before it was published it said "hey, this is awful"

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Lokanaiya

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Starbuck8 wrote...

Lokanaiya wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Hey guys, what's new?


Still reeling over the fact they apparently thought anyone wants to play Kai Leng in MP.  The fanbase is split between people who can't take him seriously because he's a retarded cliche and people who can't take him seriously because of the cereal killer thing.  The only disagreement we as a fanbase have is over the biggest reason that he's a bad joke.  But let's stick a mask on him and put him in MP or something.

Although they also refered to the dlc as "the worst kept secret in the galaxy."  Pfft.  Everyone knows the worst kept secret is Area 51.  You can see the damn thing on Google Earth and people still go "no, it's not there!"


"Cereal killer thing?" :huh:


It's from the novel Mass Effect: Deception, which was apparently so bad BioWare had to declare it non-canon or whatever. In it, Kai Leng breaks into Anderson's home, eats a bowl of his cereal and pees in his plant, for the jollies of it or something.


That makes no sense... (Sure sounds like Deception XD)

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jgibson14352 wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

Lokanaiya wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Hey guys, what's new?


Still reeling over the fact they apparently thought anyone wants to play Kai Leng in MP.  The fanbase is split between people who can't take him seriously because he's a retarded cliche and people who can't take him seriously because of the cereal killer thing.  The only disagreement we as a fanbase have is over the biggest reason that he's a bad joke.  But let's stick a mask on him and put him in MP or something.

Although they also refered to the dlc as "the worst kept secret in the galaxy."  Pfft.  Everyone knows the worst kept secret is Area 51.  You can see the damn thing on Google Earth and people still go "no, it's not there!"


"Cereal killer thing?" :huh:


It's from the novel Mass Effect: Deception, which was apparently so bad BioWare had to declare it non-canon or whatever. In it, Kai Leng breaks into Anderson's home, eats a bowl of his cereal and pees in his plant, for the jollies of it or something.

good thing i didnt read that one, i heard it was bad, and didnt buy it, although i had my doubts. why would someone write that? you think someone would have read the book before it was published it said "hey, this is awful"


Lol and why would they hire an author who clearly not only didn't know anything about the ME universe, but is also a terrible writer? =]

For those of you who haven't read it, a nice summary: imgur.com/a/lAVji#0
^_^

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Well I'm with Turbo and Auralius failing at reaper gold.

The biggest threat isn't the banshees, it's the risk of disconnection.


What were we on? Wave 8 when Turbo and I got hit with a crash? Stupid game... :pinched:

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Starbuck8 wrote...

jgibson14352 wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

Lokanaiya wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Hey guys, what's new?


Still reeling over the fact they apparently thought anyone wants to play Kai Leng in MP.  The fanbase is split between people who can't take him seriously because he's a retarded cliche and people who can't take him seriously because of the cereal killer thing.  The only disagreement we as a fanbase have is over the biggest reason that he's a bad joke.  But let's stick a mask on him and put him in MP or something.

Although they also refered to the dlc as "the worst kept secret in the galaxy."  Pfft.  Everyone knows the worst kept secret is Area 51.  You can see the damn thing on Google Earth and people still go "no, it's not there!"


"Cereal killer thing?" :huh:


It's from the novel Mass Effect: Deception, which was apparently so bad BioWare had to declare it non-canon or whatever. In it, Kai Leng breaks into Anderson's home, eats a bowl of his cereal and pees in his plant, for the jollies of it or something.

good thing i didnt read that one, i heard it was bad, and didnt buy it, although i had my doubts. why would someone write that? you think someone would have read the book before it was published it said "hey, this is awful"


Lol and why would they hire an author who clearly not only didn't know anything about the ME universe, but is also a terrible writer? =]

For those of you who haven't read it, a nice summary: imgur.com/a/lAVji#0
^_^


Oh my god that was the funniest thing iv seen all day. I almost peed my pants laughing:lol:

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So any word from Estebanus?

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masster blaster wrote...

So any word from Estebanus?


No, why?

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Auralius Carolus wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

So any word from Estebanus?


No, why?


Well, he's at Comic-Con, which is probly why masster is asking.