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[lex0r11]

Oh yes, there are a lot of wizards in the thread.

[MaximizedAction]

demersel wrote...

About bioware taking a stand on IT.


Look, guys. I am a filmmaker. I make short movies, and plan to move up to making full feature in the nearest future. I've already made three shorts that have been shown on some international film festivals.
So i think i can tell you, from an artist's point of view -
there is nothing worse for me than to be forced to come in front of the screen after my movie has been shown, and then explain what it was about, and what i meant to soy by it. Everything that had and wanted to say - i already put that into the film you have just seen. Sometimes my film can be open ended, provoking a thought process, about what have happened and why - I know what have happened. I know why. In every little detail (and i have to - after all, i did have to plan it all to make the movie) BUT - i wil NEVER tell you what to think of it. NEVER. That's what freedom of interpretation means. I, as a film maker tell you a story. To tell it, I have to know what that story is, so i can choose how to tell it to you in a most entertaining way. But what to make of it as you hae heard it - is up to you.

My point is in regards of ME3 and the IT - they will never tell you straight whether or not the IT is true, as in twitter posts py stuff and producers, interviews or press releases. BUT they are perfectly free to realese a peace of content that clerly shows one way or the other throught the INGAME events.

Side note - and judging by the way they behave, and comment and post on twitter - they really can't wait to do so - it's literally killing them - they are so pleased with themselves they are about to explode. ))))

That's also what I think they'll do (probably).

I totally agree that a good story doesn't have to and shouldn't be explained by the writer. However, doing so ingame is a different thing. This is like this "ending DLC" vs "post-ending DLC". They're not the same thing. And while they denied the one thing in written down form, the other one has only been denied once in an interview pre-release, but after that Bioware hasn't taken a definitve stand.

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 12 juillet 2012 - 04:00 .

[Rosewind]

lex0r11 wrote...

Oh yes, there are a lot of wizards in the thread.

Dooooo yooooou belive in MAGIC!

[demersel]

MaximizedAction wrote...

demersel wrote...

About bioware taking a stand on IT.


Look, guys. I am a filmmaker. I make short movies, and plan to move up to making full feature in the nearest future. I've already made three shorts that have been shown on some international film festivals.
So i think i can tell you, from an artist's point of view -
there is nothing worse for me than to be forced to come in front of the screen after my movie has been shown, and then explain what it was about, and what i meant to soy by it. Everything that had and wanted to say - i already put that into the film you have just seen. Sometimes my film can be open ended, provoking a thought process, about what have happened and why - I know what have happened. I know why. In every little detail (and i have to - after all, i did have to plan it all to make the movie) BUT - i wil NEVER tell you what to think of it. NEVER. That's what freedom of interpretation means. I, as a film maker tell you a story. To tell it, I have to know what that story is, so i can choose how to tell it to you in a most entertaining way. But what to make of it as you hae heard it - is up to you.

My point is in regards of ME3 and the IT - they will never tell you straight whether or not the IT is true, as in twitter posts py stuff and producers, interviews or press releases. BUT they are perfectly free to realese a peace of content that clerly shows one way or the other throught the INGAME events.

Side note - and judging by the way they behave, and comment and post on twitter - they really can't wait to do so - it's literally killing them - they are so pleased with themselves they are about to explode. ))))

That's also what I think they'll do (probably).

I totally agree that a good story doesn't have to and shouldn't be explained by the writer. However, doing so ingame is a different thing. This is like this "ending DLC" vs "post-ending DLC". They're not the same thing. And while they denied the one thing in written down form, the other one has only been denied once in an interview pre-release, but after that Bioware hasn't taken a definitve stand.

techically, from the IT point of view the ending of the hame hasn't really happened yet. So any how can there be any post-ending DLC? )) they will be just DLC. )))

[Rosewind]

Flog61 wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

Oh yes, there are a lot of wizards in the thread.

Dooooo yooooou belive in SPACE MAGIC!

Fixed

Was going to put that actually lol

[HellishFiend]

demersel wrote...
 BUT they are perfectly free to realese a peace of content that clerly shows one way or the other throught the INGAME events. 

Side note - and judging by the way they behave, and comment and post on twitter - they really can't wait to do so - it's literally killing them - they are so pleased with themselves they are about to explode. ))))

I was all set to disagree with your post until I got to these last couple of sentences.  I agree completely. They would never just "come out and say if IT is true", as so many people want. People just dont like this kind of suspense even though it is better for their own entertainment in the long run. And one thing we know for sure, this was always meant to be a "long run" project for both BW and the fans. 

[MaximizedAction]

HellishFiend wrote...

demersel wrote...
 BUT they are perfectly free to realese a peace of content that clerly shows one way or the other throught the INGAME events. 

Side note - and judging by the way they behave, and comment and post on twitter - they really can't wait to do so - it's literally killing them - they are so pleased with themselves they are about to explode. ))))

I was all set to disagree with your post until I got to these last couple of sentences.  I agree completely. They would never just "come out and say if IT is true", as so many people want. People just dont like this kind of suspense even though it is better for their own entertainment in the long run. And one thing we know for sure, this was always meant to be a "long run" project for both BW and the fans. 

"But this one is more of a war story - in that context the DLC will make a great sense..."

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 12 juillet 2012 - 04:24 .

[masster blaster]

So what's new.

[Andromidius]

I think I give up with EA customer support. The guy I was 'talking to' seems to think i'm having issues with Battlefield 3. A game I don't even own.

How obvious is the cut and paste job when you can't even get the game right?

[masster blaster]

Oh and Hellish. How are the videos coming along, and Turbos?

[Rosewind]

HellishFiend wrote...

demersel wrote...
 BUT they are perfectly free to realese a peace of content that clerly shows one way or the other throught the INGAME events. 

Side note - and judging by the way they behave, and comment and post on twitter - they really can't wait to do so - it's literally killing them - they are so pleased with themselves they are about to explode. ))))

I was all set to disagree with your post until I got to these last couple of sentences.  I agree completely. They would never just "come out and say if IT is true", as so many people want. People just dont like this kind of suspense even though it is better for their own entertainment in the long run. And one thing we know for sure, this was always meant to be a "long run" project for both BW and the fans. 

I am loving all this speculation and suspense some times the stuff leading up to something is better then the end it's self. I hope not in this case but you know what I mean lol.

[macrocarl]

demersel wrote...

About bioware taking a stand on IT.


Look, guys. I am a filmmaker. I make short movies, and plan to move up to making full feature in the nearest future. I've already made three shorts that have been shown on some international film festivals.
So i think i can tell you, from an artist's point of view -
there is nothing worse for me than to be forced to come in front of the screen after my movie has been shown, and then explain what it was about, and what i meant to soy by it. Everything that had and wanted to say - i already put that into the film you have just seen. Sometimes my film can be open ended, provoking a thought process, about what have happened and why - I know what have happened. I know why. In every little detail (and i have to - after all, i did have to plan it all to make the movie) BUT - i wil NEVER tell you what to think of it. NEVER. That's what freedom of interpretation means. I, as a film maker tell you a story. To tell it, I have to know what that story is, so i can choose how to tell it to you in a most entertaining way. But what to make of it as you hae heard it - is up to you.

My point is in regards of ME3 and the IT - they will never tell you straight whether or not the IT is true, as in twitter posts py stuff and producers, interviews or press releases. BUT they are perfectly free to realese a peace of content that clerly shows one way or the other throught the INGAME events.

Side note - and judging by the way they behave, and comment and post on twitter - they really can't wait to do so - it's literally killing them - they are so pleased with themselves they are about to explode. ))))

TullyAckland just posted this:

'The interpretation of a story is a personal thing, and it’s one of the
most enjoyable aspects of an experience like this for many players. To
tell you what we think would be to take away the validity of each
player’s take on it.

And ultimately, our opinion on what is
“really” happening is no more accurate than what a player believes when
playing it. The interpretation of the story is a player choice, and like
other choices in the game we don’t like to trample on it by
definitively stating what is “canon”.'

So yeah there you go!:happy:

[TSA_383]

Andromidius wrote...

I think I give up with EA customer support. The guy I was 'talking to' seems to think i'm having issues with Battlefield 3. A game I don't even own.

How obvious is the cut and paste job when you can't even get the game right?

Were you trying to solve the mystery of why it's not really possible to play private matches?

[HellishFiend]

masster blaster wrote...

Oh and Hellish. How are the videos coming along, and Turbos?

Work is moving along. This first one is taking a bit longer to get off the ground because of all the initial conceptualizing and whatnot. No ETA yet. But hopefully after this first one, the ones to follow wont take quite as long.

[Arian Dynas]

demersel wrote...

About bioware taking a stand on IT.


Look, guys. I am a filmmaker. I make short movies, and plan to move up to making full feature in the nearest future. I've already made three shorts that have been shown on some international film festivals.
So i think i can tell you, from an artist's point of view -
there is nothing worse for me than to be forced to come in front of the screen after my movie has been shown, and then explain what it was about, and what i meant to soy by it. Everything that had and wanted to say - i already put that into the film you have just seen. Sometimes my film can be open ended, provoking a thought process, about what have happened and why - I know what have happened. I know why. In every little detail (and i have to - after all, i did have to plan it all to make the movie) BUT - i wil NEVER tell you what to think of it. NEVER. That's what freedom of interpretation means. I, as a film maker tell you a story. To tell it, I have to know what that story is, so i can choose how to tell it to you in a most entertaining way. But what to make of it as you hae heard it - is up to you.

My point is in regards of ME3 and the IT - they will never tell you straight whether or not the IT is true, as in twitter posts py stuff and producers, interviews or press releases. BUT they are perfectly free to realese a peace of content that clerly shows one way or the other throught the INGAME events.

Side note - and judging by the way they behave, and comment and post on twitter - they really can't wait to do so - it's literally killing them - they are so pleased with themselves they are about to explode. ))))

I like that, and it remains why I still personally think that IT will be implemented via a bridging DLC to ME4, probably through a flashback.

[MaximizedAction]

Andromidius wrote...

I think I give up with EA customer support. The guy I was 'talking to' seems to think i'm having issues with Battlefield 3. A game I don't even own.

How obvious is the cut and paste job when you can't even get the game right?

I know that feel bro!

But apparently everyone else here had a good experience with their customer support.

[Arian Dynas]

Andromidius wrote...

I think I give up with EA customer support. The guy I was 'talking to' seems to think i'm having issues with Battlefield 3. A game I don't even own.

How obvious is the cut and paste job when you can't even get the game right?

Isn't it lovely how not only can they not even get REAL people to deal with your issues, turning to a programmed bot, they can't even get fake Americans, no they need to turn to fake Indians for tech support.

Wow. Just wow.

[paxxton]

Howdy!

[paxxton]

HellishFiend wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Oh and Hellish. How are the videos coming along, and Turbos?

Work is moving along. This first one is taking a bit longer to get off the ground because of all the initial conceptualizing and whatnot. No ETA yet. But hopefully after this first one, the ones to follow wont take quite as long.

What video?

[HellishFiend]

paxxton wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Oh and Hellish. How are the videos coming along, and Turbos?

Work is moving along. This first one is taking a bit longer to get off the ground because of all the initial conceptualizing and whatnot. No ETA yet. But hopefully after this first one, the ones to follow wont take quite as long.

What video?

My "Choose Wisely" video was always meant to be a figurehead for a series of videos that focus on thematic evidence rather than "tangible" evidence. I think the type of evidence featured in CleverNoob's "documentaries" is misrepresentative of the most important evidence for IT: the actual themes of the trilogy and how they set up the context and interpretation that we believe to be BW's intent. 

[demersel]

Rosewind wrote...

I am loving all this speculation and suspense some times the stuff leading up to something is better then the end it's self. I hope not in this case but you know what I mean lol.

I actually thought the same after launch. When i thought about the whole ending situation and the IT angle of it
only one question was in my mind - why would bioware ever do such a thing? (as to release an intentionally incomplete game)

and surprisingly i very quickly came up with a lot of answers FOR it:

- because it is SO much more fun this way

- gamers would go NUTS over the game

- the game would became THE EVENT of the year if not of the decade. Everyone will remember it for a very long time.

- because they CAN! (come on - this is MASS EFFECT 3 - the last chapter in the EXTREMELY succesful gaming phenomenon - you really can do anything with it at this point you already probaly in the green money wise from the preorders alone, so whe no do THIS?))

- that would be EPIC

- you really need to stretch it out as long as you can. And you can't really tell right away - it would cheapen the story. No only if you release the game the way it was, without the end. only then does the whole indoctrination theme works, in the way which makes justice to the importance of this particular plot point.  You can't really introduce any gameplay element to represent it. It must really happen to the player. (thay practicaly said the same thing in the last hours app)

- Artisticintugrity argument makes sense, and all the pre launch promotional claims (about this beng Shepards story, and tryng to do the endng justice it deserves)

[demersel]

Arian Dynas wrote...

I like that, and it remains why I still personally think that IT will be implemented via a bridging DLC to ME4, probably through a flashback.

I actually very much liked the way they did bridging DLCs for me3 - the Arrival and lair of the shodow broker. 

Only after having played ME3 i began to apreciate these stories fully. 

And BTW - did any of you noticed that the rig used to control the geth in the dreadnought missin was exactly the same, like the one developed in the overlord project? That is really some great story telling cause it explains how reapers use cerberus and their assets, the same way they used the collectors. 

[Andromidius]

TSA_383 wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

I think I give up with EA customer support. The guy I was 'talking to' seems to think i'm having issues with Battlefield 3. A game I don't even own.

How obvious is the cut and paste job when you can't even get the game right?

Were you trying to solve the mystery of why it's not really possible to play private matches?

That, and that I get disconnected from pub games too if I'm not hosting.

If I host, no problem at all.  No-one else DC's either.  Unless its private, then they do.

/wrists

I will say this though - I LOVE KROGAN SENTINEL.  I swear I spend more time headbutting things then I do shooting them.

[HocoG]

Jesus Christ, i left computer for 30 min and there is 3 more pages - how i suppose to read it? D:

demersel wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

I am loving all this speculation and suspense some times the stuff leading up to something is better then the end it's self. I hope not in this case but you know what I mean lol.

I actually thought the same after launch. When i thought about the whole ending situation and the IT angle of it
only one question was in my mind - why would bioware ever do such a thing? (as to release an intentionally incomplete game)

and surprisingly i very quickly came up with a lot of answers FOR it:

- because it is SO much more fun this way

- gamers would go NUTS over the game

- the game would became THE EVENT of the year if not of the decade. Everyone will remember it for a very long time.

- because they CAN! (come on - this is MASS EFFECT 3 - the last chapter in the EXTREMELY succesful gaming phenomenon - you really can do anything with it at this point you already probaly in the green money wise from the preorders alone, so whe no do THIS?))

- that would be EPIC

- you really need to stretch it out as long as you can. And you can't really tell right away - it would cheapen the story. No only if you release the game the way it was, without the end. only then does the whole indoctrination theme works, in the way which makes justice to the importance of this particular plot point.  You can't really introduce any gameplay element to represent it. It must really happen to the player. (thay practicaly said the same thing in the last hours app)

- Artisticintugrity argument makes sense, and all the pre launch promotional claims (about this beng Shepards story, and tryng to do the endng justice it deserves)

But from this point, what ever they will make, they presented themselves not really well - why? - because they left open ending VERY open. If you can wrtie complitly full ending and left intrig - you are master!, but they was like "Nah. They will come up with ending themselves"... + Giant Refusal Middle Finger( which I actually like as idea to say "**** you").

And what they made in EC, they could do IT (but i thiknk it stupidity because people will be sceptic on it), instead they made... One ending, in EC you cant lose even in  Refusal - still happy end for other cycle, and youy dont even feel you losed. Next cycle had the same chances as we had - we had full phrotean  database, we even found 2 reapers, a lot of their artefacts (read comics), and we losed. Why the hell they constantly won the war?