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[byne]

paxxton wrote...

ll PAYASO323 ll wrote...

byne wrote...

ll PAYASO323 ll wrote...

byne wrote...

ll PAYASO323 ll wrote...

Soo my xbox got the "open tray" error the night before the EC was released... yeahh pretty gay, so i didn't see the EC till today (on youtube since xbox is still broken) and i dont know.. i was expecting a little more. i honestly didn't care much for ME3 after i watched it. what did everyone else think?

For supposedly being the culmination of multiple months of the entire team working full time on it, the EC was extremely  underwhelming.

i was pretty disappointed. everything still felt as nonsensical as before.
BTW what is this "Leviathan DLC" ?

DLC that involves a Reaper traitor that you can supposedly get on your side or something

hmm sounds cool i guess. idk if it'll get me wanting to get a new xbox but we'll see.

Whoa. I absolutely loved the EC. It couldn't have been any other way. The quality was high. And I considered the EC relative to the original ending. Really, it was amazingly awesome. The added conclusions were so cool. Control/Synthesis FTW

Everytime I see you advocating how awesome control is, I think you have an enormous god complex, and only like control because it validates it.

Your love of synthesis and belief that the husks gaining sentience is somehow beautiful either proves you're trolling when you say you like the endings, or absolutely insane.

In my opinion, the EC made both control and synthesis 10 times more repulsive as choices.

[Rifneno]

byne wrote...

Also, I say the EC didnt add really anything at all regarding Shepard, because Control doesnt count as Shepard. Even the new Catalyst doesnt consider itself to be Shepard, so anyone who does consider it to be Shepard is just willfully ignoring the fact that they handed over the controls of the entire Reaper fleet to yet another AI.

It's okay.  It's not like Shepbinger's speech was disturbingly reminiscent of Sovereign's.

...  Oh no, wait...

[byne]

Rifneno wrote...

byne wrote...

Also, I say the EC didnt add really anything at all regarding Shepard, because Control doesnt count as Shepard. Even the new Catalyst doesnt consider itself to be Shepard, so anyone who does consider it to be Shepard is just willfully ignoring the fact that they handed over the controls of the entire Reaper fleet to yet another AI.

It's okay.  It's not like Shepbinger's speech was disturbingly reminiscent of Sovereign's.

...  Oh no, wait...

Especially the renegade version of the speech.

I will lead an army that none will dare oppose.

Yeah, thats not worrying at all!


Also:

I will protect. Defend. I will destroy those that threaten the future of the many.

Wasnt that pretty much godchild's excuse?

[ean0611]

byne wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

byne wrote...

Also, I say the EC didnt add really anything at all regarding Shepard, because Control doesnt count as Shepard. Even the new Catalyst doesnt consider itself to be Shepard, so anyone who does consider it to be Shepard is just willfully ignoring the fact that they handed over the controls of the entire Reaper fleet to yet another AI.

It's okay.  It's not like Shepbinger's speech was disturbingly reminiscent of Sovereign's.

...  Oh no, wait...

Especially the renegade version of the speech.

I will lead an army that none will dare oppose.

Yeah, thats not worrying at all!


Also:

I will protect. Defend. I will destroy those that threaten the future of the many.

Wasnt that pretty much godchild's excuse?

Indoctrinated Shep is indoctrinated.

[paxxton]

byne wrote...

paxxton wrote...

ll PAYASO323 ll wrote...

byne wrote...

ll PAYASO323 ll wrote...

byne wrote...

ll PAYASO323 ll wrote...

Soo my xbox got the "open tray" error the night before the EC was released... yeahh pretty gay, so i didn't see the EC till today (on youtube since xbox is still broken) and i dont know.. i was expecting a little more. i honestly didn't care much for ME3 after i watched it. what did everyone else think?

For supposedly being the culmination of multiple months of the entire team working full time on it, the EC was extremely  underwhelming.

i was pretty disappointed. everything still felt as nonsensical as before.
BTW what is this "Leviathan DLC" ?

DLC that involves a Reaper traitor that you can supposedly get on your side or something

hmm sounds cool i guess. idk if it'll get me wanting to get a new xbox but we'll see.

Whoa. I absolutely loved the EC. It couldn't have been any other way. The quality was high. And I considered the EC relative to the original ending. Really, it was amazingly awesome. The added conclusions were so cool. Control/Synthesis FTW

Everytime I see you advocating how awesome control is, I think you have an enormous god complex, and only like control because it validates it.

Your love of synthesis and belief that the husks gaining sentience is somehow beautiful either proves you're trolling when you say you like the endings, or absolutely insane.

In my opinion, the EC made both control and synthesis 10 times more repulsive as choices.

Who doesn't want to be eternal, infinite and something else (I don't remember what)? Imagine how much good could be done.

The husk gaining sentience is beautiful because I dunno he becomes free, self-aware, can decide for himself. Sure, husks seem ugly on the outside (though for some they don't) but they deserve to live their own lives. I won't deny them that just because they aren't blood and flesh. It's like teaching a child to see the world as it really is and seeing that spark of enlightenment in his/her eyes.

Modifié par paxxton, 12 juillet 2012 - 08:11 .

[Eryri]

byne wrote...

In my opinion, the EC made both control and synthesis 10 times more repulsive as choices.

I don't find Synthesis repulsive so much as hysterically ridiculous. I actually laughed out loud at the thought of cyborg trees, cyborg rocks and my personal favourite - cyborg baseball caps. All from a wave of green light that simultaneously and instantaneously transformed every living thing across hundreds of thousands of cubic light years of space?

I'm no physicist but I think the laws of thermodynamics and quantum mechanics might have something to say about re-ordering trillions of individual atoms into a new and highly complex pattern. What with entropy always having to increase, and it being impossible to know a particle's position and momentum at the same time and all.

Then the EC elaborated even further on this daftness! With friendly neighbourhood reapers cheerfully delivering building materials!

Modifié par Eryri, 12 juillet 2012 - 08:13 .

[plfranke]

byne wrote...

paxxton wrote...

ll PAYASO323 ll wrote...

byne wrote...

ll PAYASO323 ll wrote...

byne wrote...

ll PAYASO323 ll wrote...

Soo my xbox got the "open tray" error the night before the EC was released... yeahh pretty gay, so i didn't see the EC till today (on youtube since xbox is still broken) and i dont know.. i was expecting a little more. i honestly didn't care much for ME3 after i watched it. what did everyone else think?

For supposedly being the culmination of multiple months of the entire team working full time on it, the EC was extremely  underwhelming.

i was pretty disappointed. everything still felt as nonsensical as before.
BTW what is this "Leviathan DLC" ?

DLC that involves a Reaper traitor that you can supposedly get on your side or something

hmm sounds cool i guess. idk if it'll get me wanting to get a new xbox but we'll see.

Whoa. I absolutely loved the EC. It couldn't have been any other way. The quality was high. And I considered the EC relative to the original ending. Really, it was amazingly awesome. The added conclusions were so cool. Control/Synthesis FTW

Everytime I see you advocating how awesome control is, I think you have an enormous god complex, and only like control because it validates it.

Your love of synthesis and belief that the husks gaining sentience is somehow beautiful either proves you're trolling when you say you like the endings, or absolutely insane.

In my opinion, the EC made both control and synthesis 10 times more repulsive as choices.

I have spoken face to face with someone who advocated synthesis. When I said cannibals are now self aware his response was "Well, they were people once too." Just unbelievable.

[byne]

paxxton wrote...


Who doesn't want to be eternal, infinite and something else (I don't remember what)? Imagine how much good could be done.

Except Shepard herself is actually none of those things.

She's a pile of dust on the Citadel.

The husk gaining sentience is beautiful because I dunno he becomes free, self-aware, can decide for himself. Sure, husks seem ugly on the outside (though for some they don't) but they deserve to live their own lives. I won't deny them that just because they aren't blood and flesh.

I would deny them that. I'm fairly certain the majority of husks would agree with being denied that, rather than coming back into a world where they're horrible abominations, with the knowledge that they've killed hundreds of people, and where, if they're still alive, their loved ones cant stand to look at them.

By giving the husks sentience you're basically forcing them into an eternal life of being reviled outcasts.

Its so beautiful! <_<

[RavenEyry]

I'm actually alright with control it's left for you to decide if god!shep slides down the slippery slope or not. Synthesis remains tremendously retarded and destroy is even more appealing now. Refuse is just a massive middle finger to anyone who doesn't want to participate in Bioware's beloved endings.

[plfranke]

RavenEyry wrote...

I'm actually alright with control it's left for you to decide if god!shep slides down the slippery slope or not. Synthesis remains tremendously retarded and destroy is even more appealing now. Refuse is just a massive middle finger to anyone who doesn't want to participate in Bioware's beloved endings.

But that's the thing you're not in control of whatever is controlling the reapers. It's obvious by the monologue. "The man/woman I once was" It's no longer Shepard, you're not in control and the monologue pretty much tells you that the reapers will eventually return to their old tricks.

[byne]

RavenEyry wrote...

I'm actually alright with control it's left for you to decide if god!shep slides down the slippery slope or not. Synthesis remains tremendously retarded and destroy is even more appealing now. Refuse is just a massive middle finger to anyone who doesn't want to participate in Bioware's beloved endings.

Best description of refuse I've seen was from someone on Twitter:

You don't like our deus ex machina machine? Well, then I guess rocks fall and everyone dies. How do you like that?

Which sounds about right.

[masster blaster]

So has anyone found out. On what is the chatter we hear, when Vendetta speaks to Shepard in the back ground of Vendetta's voice. I mean during the assault on TIM's base.

[CoolioThane]

Noone can argue that Husks could have a sentient life right?

I mean, in ME2, EDI asplains that the Collectors' souls and insides had been replaced by tech. Wondering if they'd done the same with husks...as they lookf fricking techy 8|

[RavenEyry]

plfranke wrote...
But that's the thing you're not in control of whatever is controlling the reapers. It's obvious by the monologue. "The man/woman I once was" It's no longer Shepard, you're not in control and the monologue pretty much tells you that the reapers will eventually return to their old tricks.

I choose to interpret it as 'ascended to a higher plane of existence' than 'knew AI based vaguely on Shepard'.

[paxxton]

byne wrote...

paxxton wrote...


Who doesn't want to be eternal, infinite and something else (I don't remember what)? Imagine how much good could be done.

Except Shepard herself is actually none of those things.

She's a pile of dust on the Citadel.

The husk gaining sentience is beautiful because I dunno he becomes free, self-aware, can decide for himself. Sure, husks seem ugly on the outside (though for some they don't) but they deserve to live their own lives. I won't deny them that just because they aren't blood and flesh.

I would deny them that. I'm fairly certain the majority of husks would agree with being denied that, rather than coming back into a world where they're horrible abominations, with the knowledge that they've killed hundreds of people, and where, if they're still alive, their loved ones cant stand to look at them.

By giving the husks sentience you're basically forcing them into an eternal life of being reviled outcasts.

Its so beautiful! <_<

Shepard was transferred into the new Catalyst. Of course, the flesh version is gone but what's left is still him just in a different form.

Husks could delete memories to avoid psychological breakdowns after Synthesis. They wouldn't be outcasts if people could forgive them. Alternatively, they could settle on a planet and form a new species.

Modifié par paxxton, 12 juillet 2012 - 08:22 .

[TJBartlemus]

byne wrote...

The husk gaining sentience is beautiful because I dunno he becomes free, self-aware, can decide for himself. Sure, husks seem ugly on the outside (though for some they don't) but they deserve to live their own lives. I won't deny them that just because they aren't blood and flesh.

I would deny them that. I'm fairly certain the majority of husks would agree with being denied that, rather than coming back into a world where they're horrible abominations, with the knowledge that they've killed hundreds of people, and where, if they're still alive, their loved ones cant stand to look at them.

By giving the husks sentience you're basically forcing them into an eternal life of being reviled outcasts.

Its so beautiful! <_<

Yeah. Being a husk would be like being a ghoul in the Fallout series. (Ghouls are people who survive the explosion of a nuclear device and become like sentient zombies. They live longer than regular humans but their flesh falls off from decay. ) They generally become feral, hate their lives, and/ or hate others. Yeah. Can't wait for that in synthesis if I was a husk. Sentience is probably the worst thing to do to husks. 

[byne]

RavenEyry wrote...

I'm actually alright with control it's left for you to decide if god!shep slides down the slippery slope or not. Synthesis remains tremendously retarded and destroy is even more appealing now. Refuse is just a massive middle finger to anyone who doesn't want to participate in Bioware's beloved endings.

Once millions of years have passed, and everyone Shep ever cared about is long dead, do you really think god!Shep is gonna give a damn abou tthe rest of the galaxy?

You think after seeing countless millions of pointless deaths from organics simply being organics that she's really going to still have objectivity and realize that only a small number of the total organic population actually randomly kills others for the hell of it?

I doubt it. She'll finally have had too much and decided to start the entire galaxy over and try again.

[byne]

paxxton wrote...

Shepard was transferred into the new Catalyst. Of course, the flesh version is gone but what's left is still him just in a different form.

The Catalyst itself makes very clear that this is not the case. So you're just making things up to make control more appealing.

Husks could delete memories to avoid psychological breakdowns after Synthesis. They wouldn't be outcasts if people could forgive them. Alternatively, they could settle on a planet and form a new species.

And now you're just making things up to make synthesis more appealing. They can delete memories now? If you're going to make up entirely new powers that they've never once been shown to have, why not go the whole way and claim they can revert to their original organic appearances if they just wish for it hard enough?

[RavenEyry]

I said I'm alright with it, not that I think it's good or anything. It's basically what I expected it to be pre-EC.

[jgibson14352]

CoolioThane wrote...

Noone can argue that Husks could have a sentient life right?

I mean, in ME2, EDI asplains that the Collectors' souls and insides had been replaced by tech. Wondering if they'd done the same with husks...as they lookf fricking techy 8|

it was actually mordin, and that speech was basically a very long rant against synthesis, it fits perfectly. plus it was right before he sang gilbert and sullivan

[masster blaster]

byne wrote...

paxxton wrote...


Who doesn't want to be eternal, infinite and something else (I don't remember what)? Imagine how much good could be done.

Except Shepard herself is actually none of those things.

She's a pile of dust on the Citadel.

The husk gaining sentience is beautiful because I dunno he becomes free, self-aware, can decide for himself. Sure, husks seem ugly on the outside (though for some they don't) but they deserve to live their own lives. I won't deny them that just because they aren't blood and flesh.

I would deny them that. I'm fairly certain the majority of husks would agree with being denied that, rather than coming back into a world where they're horrible abominations, with the knowledge that they've killed hundreds of people, and where, if they're still alive, their loved ones cant stand to look at them.

By giving the husks sentience you're basically forcing them into an eternal life of being reviled outcasts.

Its so beautiful! <_<

Not really byne. apparently in synthesis everyone forget's that the Reapers killed their loved one's, and want to become friends with the Reapers. So the Husk will get along with everyone, and will go back to their family's and liveas one big happy family.

Not! It's a horrible thing to let the husk  live like that forever, and it's hard to believe in Control, or Synthesis. That nobody complains about the Reaper, or not even caring about them harvesting the organics, and synthetics that made the Reapers into what they are.

[The Heretic of Time]

I swear this thread is like a cult. It's almost worse than those conspiracy theorists who believe the Illuminati is behind everything.

Modifié par Heretic_Hanar, 12 juillet 2012 - 08:28 .

[Lord Goose]

I'm fairly certain the majority of
husks would agree with being denied that, rather than
coming back into a world where they're horrible
abominations, with the knowledge that they've killed
hundreds of people, and where, if they're still alive, their
loved ones cant stand to look at them.

They probably can commit suicide if they do not like their current state. Or at least beg someone to kill them. You know, classic ''I am abomination, kill me!''.

Giving people choice is generally better rather than denying it. That is why Synthesis is not completely ethical.

[jgibson14352]

ignore it

[paxxton]

byne wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Shepard was transferred into the new Catalyst. Of course, the flesh version is gone but what's left is still him just in a different form.

The Catalyst itself makes very clear that this is not the case. So you're just making things up to make control more appealing.

Husks could delete memories to avoid psychological breakdowns after Synthesis. They wouldn't be outcasts if people could forgive them. Alternatively, they could settle on a planet and form a new species.

And now you're just making things up to make synthesis more appealing. They can delete memories now? If you're going to make up entirely new powers that they've never once been shown to have, why not go the whole way and claim they can revert to their original organic appearances if they just wish for it hard enough?

Well, I just try to understand how those endings could turn out given the current state of technology (or some futurists' visions). The game naturally oversimplifies things.

Modifié par paxxton, 12 juillet 2012 - 08:38 .