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[TJBartlemus]

I ignored it... 

Modifié par TJBartlemus, 12 juillet 2012 - 08:32 .

[byne]

Lord Goose wrote...

I'm fairly certain the majority of
husks would agree with being denied that, rather than
coming back into a world where they're horrible
abominations, with the knowledge that they've killed
hundreds of people, and where, if they're still alive, their
loved ones cant stand to look at them.

They probably can commit suicide if they do not like their current state. Or at least beg someone to kill them. You know, classic ''I am abomination, kill me!''.

Giving people choice is generally better rather than denying it. That is why Synthesis is not completely ethical.

If anyone ever comes to me and says 'Hey, you want to turn every dead person in the world into sentient zombies? I mean they'll still be rotting and everything, but who knows, they might enjoy it!' I'm going to say no. I dont really care that theres a possibility they might like it. Thats not really the point.

[RavenEyry]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

I swear this thread is like a cult. It's almost worse than those conspiracy theorists who believe the Illuminati is behind everything.

So you don't want a piece of this goat I just sacrificed? Fine, more for us.

[byne]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

I swear this thread is like a cult. It's almost worse than those conspiracy theorists who believe the Illuminati is behind everything.

>people interpret the ending of a story differently than me
>could they just have a differing opinion than me?


>nah, they're just a mindless cult!

Ok then.

[paxxton]

Illuminati are among the posters in this thread.

Modifié par paxxton, 12 juillet 2012 - 08:39 .

[masster blaster]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

I swear this thread is like a cult. It's almost worse than those conspiracy theorists who believe the Illuminati is behind everything.

One IT is not a cult. Two you can ask Bioware yourself if IT is a cult,and three get out please.
And if not them I will go get a Monedator that will kick you out for calling the people of IT cult's. So please go.

[RavenEyry]

ll PAYASO323 ll wrote...
But.. the Illuminatti IS behind everything

There's one behind me right now. He keeps checking his watch and looking around nervously, I'm wondering i I should move or something.

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

Quick question, if you have the From Ashes DLC does a slide for Javik appear in Synthesis/Control and if so what is he doing?

It is just that if he is doing anything other than turning a giant cannon towards the Reapers or commiting suicide in disgust at everyone now beeing buddy buddy with the Reapers it will just be another piece of hate for me.

I mean can anyone here seriusly imagine Javik in any capacity accepting the Reapers as friends and allies? Or even more so Synthesis after the way he opposed Synthetics?

[byne]

Anyways, I'll be back in a bit. Gotta go do some stuff.

[Lord Goose]

That nobody
complains about the Reaper, or not even caring about them
harvesting the organics, and synthetics that made the
Reapers into what they are.

Just because they did't have shown anybody unhappy with outcome of each ending doesn't mean, that such people do not exist in-universe. Endings are generally happy and light (especially if you have played Paragon), focusing on positive aspects of choice. Say, in Destroy we do not see Joker killed by grief when his girlfriend died, nor we see people with suffering when their implants shutting down. We do not even see dead geth in the ending, unless they were killed of on Rannoch.

[masster blaster]

Lord Goose wrote...

That nobody
complains about the Reaper, or not even caring about them
harvesting the organics, and synthetics that made the
Reapers into what they are.

Just because they did't have shown anybody unhappy with outcome of each ending doesn't mean, that such people do not exist in-universe. Endings are generally happy and light (especially if you have played Paragon), focusing on positive aspects of choice. Say, in Destroy we do not see Joker killed by grief when his girlfriend died, nor we see people with suffering when their implants shutting down. We do not even see dead geth in the ending, unless they were killed of on Rannoch.

hench why we think the ending was a dream, but with so Literal perspective.

Also everyone will still hate the Reapers in Control, and synthesis because the Catalyst did not state that everyone will be happy that the Reapers are not killing any body else. Oh wait they need genetic material from organincs to survive.

Modifié par masster blaster, 12 juillet 2012 - 08:42 .

[TJBartlemus]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Quick question, if you have the From Ashes DLC does a slide for Javik appear in Synthesis/Control and if so what is he doing?

It is just that if he is doing anything other than turning a giant cannon towards the Reapers or commiting suicide in disgust at everyone now beeing buddy buddy with the Reapers it will just be another piece of hate for me.

I mean can anyone here seriusly imagine Javik in any capacity accepting the Reapers as friends and allies? Or even more so Synthesis after the way he opposed Synthetics?

He doesn't appear in any of the slides. He appears with the rest of the squadmates. 

[The Heretic of Time]

byne wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

I swear this thread is like a cult. It's almost worse than those conspiracy theorists who believe the Illuminati is behind everything.

>people interpret the ending of a story differently than me
>could they just have a differing opinion than me?


>nah, they're just a mindless cult!

Ok then.

>people interpret the earth is actually flat instead of a globe
>these people believe the Illuminati is behind the "earth = a globe" myth
>these people often come together to share their views and ideologies
>could they just have a different opinion than you?

>nah, they're just a mindless cult!


^
This is a true story by the way. So-called "flat-eartists" really exist today and they really believe the government is behind it all. Certainly they're not crazy are they? They just have a different interpretation of reality. That's perfectly normal, right?

[jgibson14352]

you know, Cerberus itself represents both control and synthesis. the Illusive Mans experiments on Sanctuary show that he could control ground troops, obviously, but remember that all of his troops were outfitted with reaper implants. in MP when playing as Ex-Cerberus you can hear those reaper implants whenever you walk, showing that Cerberus troops are partly synthetic as well as the Illusive Man, who received the same implants, as we saw on the citadel

Modifié par jgibson14352, 12 juillet 2012 - 08:44 .

[CoolioThane]

jgibson14352 wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

Noone can argue that Husks could have a sentient life right?

I mean, in ME2, EDI asplains that the Collectors' souls and insides had been replaced by tech. Wondering if they'd done the same with husks...as they lookf fricking techy 8|

it was actually mordin, and that speech was basically a very long rant against synthesis, it fits perfectly. plus it was right before he sang gilbert and sullivan

Aahhhh my mistake, yes, and what a good song it was, too xD

But yeah, the whole fact all three games point at trying to deal with the Reapers as being wrong, and then being given two of three options as being dealing with them...is a big PLUS for IT in my eyes.

[RavenEyry]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

This is a true story by the way. So-called "flat-eartists" really exist today and they really believe the government is behind it all. Certainly they're not crazy are they? They just have a different interpretation of reality. That's perfectly normal, right?

I don't go onto their forums and attempt to invalidate their opinion even though I disagree with it.

[Andromidius]

byne wrote...

Especially the renegade version of the speech.

Holy carp.  Was that Mordin with Wrex and Eve's bodies being tested?

The whole scene is TERRIFYING and sinister in the extreme!

[Lord Goose]

'Hey, you want to turn
every dead person in the world into sentient zombies? I
mean they'll still be rotting and everything, but who knows,
they might enjoy it!' I'm going to say no. I dont really care
that theres a possibility they might like it. Thats not really
the point.

Your analogy is not correct.
More likely, that group of powerful necromancers already revived huge army of undead, and keeping them under control.
In that situation, it is generally more ethical to free undead from servitude.

Also, given that technology is far more advanced, and everybody is half-synthetic in Synthesis, it would not be stretch to assume that husks can change their appearance back to original form.

[TJBartlemus]

The entire thing about TIM's strategy on the Citadel makes no sense. You would think he would have had a squad with him or at least have taken Kai Leng with him. Nope. He goes by himself. Then he gets in a 2 on 1 situation and he expects to get out of that alive? Sure "Reaper tech". Ohhhh...he's a biotic god!!! He can control the reapers that control him don't you know.

TIM - "The voices in my head say I'm not crazy."

[plfranke]

TJBartlemus wrote...

The entire thing about TIM's strategy on the Citadel makes no sense. You would think he would have had a squad with him or at least have taken Kai Leng with him. Nope. He goes by himself. Then he gets in a 2 on 1 situation and he expects to get out of that alive? Sure "Reaper tech". Ohhhh...he's a biotic god!!! He can control the reapers that control him don't you know.

TIM - "The voices in my head say I'm not crazy."

Yeah I hope to god they release content that gives TIM a fitting end.

[TJBartlemus]

Andromidius wrote...

byne wrote...

Especially the renegade version of the speech.

Holy carp.  Was that Mordin with Wrex and Eve's bodies being tested?

The whole scene is TERRIFYING and sinister in the extreme!

Yeah the glowy red eyes from Reapshep helps with that... 

[UltimateTobi]

Javik would never accept Control and Synthesis.

[TJBartlemus]

TJBartlemus wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

byne wrote...

Especially the renegade version of the speech.

Holy carp.  Was that Mordin with Wrex and Eve's bodies being tested?

The whole scene is TERRIFYING and sinister in the extreme!

Yeah the glowy red eyes from Reapshep helps with that... 

I just noticed this but it is only in Destroy that the beam is still there in london up to the citadel. In control the citadel and london are the same but the Reapers are there and no beam. Significance to that?? 

[Andromidius]

UltimateTobi wrote...

Javik would never accept Control and Synthesis.

If anything, the fact he seems fine with it suggests that (from a literalist point of view) that Synthesis and Control cause everyone to become indoctrinated.  The fact everyone seems happy with it suggests this also - they are pleased they've been violated and turned into perversions of their former selves.

And then we get laughed at for suggesting Shepard is undergoing Indoctrination. 

Yeah, I really wish I could headcanon as well as 'literalists'.  I wish I could convince myself that 'Shepard lives happily ever after with their LI' - because honestly I still can't get over the 'Shepard is dead' part of the literal story.