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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark II!


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#44626
Andromidius

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TJBartlemus wrote...
I just noticed this but it is only in Destroy that the beam is still there in london up to the citadel. In control the citadel and london are the same but the Reapers are there and no beam. Significance to that?? 


Maybe only Reapers know how to press the off switch ;)

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UltimateTobi

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Andromidius wrote...

UltimateTobi wrote...

Javik would never accept Control and Synthesis.


If anything, the fact he seems fine with it suggests that (from a literalist point of view) that Synthesis and Control cause everyone to become indoctrinated.  The fact everyone seems happy with it suggests this also - they are pleased they've been violated and turned into perversions of their former selves.

And then we get laughed at for suggesting Shepard is undergoing Indoctrination. 

Yeah, I really wish I could headcanon as well as 'literalists'.  I wish I could convince myself that 'Shepard lives happily ever after with their LI' - because honestly I still can't get over the 'Shepard is dead' part of the literal story.

That must've been a really fast Indoctrination. Well, accepting the endings literally isn't possible for me.
Javik living in peace with the Reapers? After losing his entire species and empire? He'd rather die trying killing a Reaper in a 1v1 than havin' them as a galaxy police.

IT for me or nothing.

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TJBartlemus

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Andromidius wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...
I just noticed this but it is only in Destroy that the beam is still there in london up to the citadel. In control the citadel and london are the same but the Reapers are there and no beam. Significance to that?? 


Maybe only Reapers know how to press the off switch ;)


No. I don't think so. At first it shows the broken Citadle. No beam. Then the fixed Citadel. Beam. The people obviously figured out how to operate it. So what does that mean? The Reapers don't want people on the citadel??

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Yup! Posted Image

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#44630
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I think BioWare strengthened the IT with the EC because of this difference in the endings. In Synthesis/Control it shows you throwing away your gun. (Shows giving up. Last time throwing gun was killing Mordin and that was you giving up in a way.) In Destroy you keep hold of your gun. Well in the EC this theme continues in the 2 soldiers against the husks. In Control/Synthesis it looks like they gave up and are losing. In Destroy they never give up and fight back. So if IT wasn't true why continue the theme and have this difference??

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Off-topic:

What do you think about possible practical uses for the Higgs boson? What would they be?

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#44632
TJBartlemus

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Also Destroy is the only one where the narrator considers/ says that it was a victory. More messages??

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I've just noticed one interesting thing in memorial scene.
Notice how Garrus pass his hands over the Shepard's plate while stick it on the wall. Is he pissed off? His moves so rude, not careful.
Kaidan, actualy, not gentle too . 

Modifié par LtBehemoth, 12 juillet 2012 - 10:19 .


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What?

#44635
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RavenEyry wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

I swear this thread is like a cult. It's almost worse than those conspiracy theorists who believe the Illuminati is behind everything.


So you don't want a piece of this goat I just sacrificed? Fine, more for us.


I take it he won't be joining us for the virgin sacrifice later tonight, truly a shame.

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TJBartlemus wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Quick question, if you have the From Ashes DLC does a slide for Javik appear in Synthesis/Control and if so what is he doing?

It is just that if he is doing anything other than turning a giant cannon towards the Reapers or commiting suicide in disgust at everyone now beeing buddy buddy with the Reapers it will just be another piece of hate for me.

I mean can anyone here seriusly imagine Javik in any capacity accepting the Reapers as friends and allies? Or even more so Synthesis after the way he opposed Synthetics?


He doesn't appear in any of the slides. He appears with the rest of the squadmates. 


Ah right, my bad. Still the point stands as people brought up.

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TJBartlemus

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 Some tears were shed. Best soundtrack ever BioWare!!! :crying:

 

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TJBartlemus wrote...

 Some tears were shed. Best soundtrack ever BioWare!!! :crying:

 

This one is much better if one's been deprived of crying. Posted ImagePosted ImagePosted Image

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If anything, the fact he seems fine with it suggests that (from a literalist point of view) that Synthesis and Control cause everyone to become indoctrinated. The fact everyone seems happy with it suggests this also - they are pleased they've been violated and turned into perversions of their former selves.


We do not see much of Javik after the ending. For all we know, Javik maybe still planning to either commit suicide, or launch personal anti-Reaper crusade.

Also everyone will still hate the Reapers in Control, and synthesis because the Catalyst did not state that everyone will be happy that the Reapers are not killing any body else. Oh wait they need genetic material from organincs to survive.


Wait, what?
I do not remember anything about Reapers literally eating humans. They build new Reapers from them, but it is not the same.

#44640
TJBartlemus

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 Okay. Synthesis and Control seems to have tech/machine like soundtrack. Interesting... :huh: Control also seems pretty menacing.

Control - 

Synthesis - 

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paxxton wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

 Some tears were shed. Best soundtrack ever BioWare!!! :crying:

 

This one is much better if one's been deprived of crying. Posted ImagePosted ImagePosted Image


I disagree. :?

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TJBartlemus wrote...

 Okay. Synthesis and Control seems to have tech/machine like soundtrack. Interesting... :huh: Control also seems pretty menacing.

Control - 

Synthesis - 

Those 2 are cool. Someone stated though that they are inconsistent with the messages presented during those endings.

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Fingertrip wrote...

paxxton wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

 Some tears were shed. Best soundtrack ever BioWare!!! :crying:

 

This one is much better if one's been deprived of crying. Posted ImagePosted ImagePosted Image


I disagree. :?

With whom?

#44644
UltimateTobi

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paxxton wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

 Some tears were shed. Best soundtrack ever BioWare!!! :crying:

 

This one is much better if one's been deprived of crying. Posted ImagePosted ImagePosted Image

This made me cry, honestly: http://youtu.be/6Hb48aYR-hk

Modifié par UltimateTobi, 12 juillet 2012 - 09:33 .


#44645
TJBartlemus

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paxxton wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

 Some tears were shed. Best soundtrack ever BioWare!!! :crying:

 

This one is much better if one's been deprived of crying. Posted ImagePosted ImagePosted Image


Nah. Your song is more touching but it's also one of my favorites. Along with leaving earth. I still have to stick with the EC destroy ending soundtrack however. ;) 

#44646
UltimateTobi

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And this made me sad, though happy too:

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Destroy is the only way we can have a future of a self non Reaper's causing conflict. Plus the Reapers are just prepulsing.

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Seriously, I can't finish 2 out of 3 games on gold. And not because the enemy is so overwhelming but it's either I get disconnected, get stuck in the floor/roof, fall through the floor, take off through the roof or, like now, where I hoped that my teammates would understand if I hung around (in the floor) till the end to get at least those credits, the damn game crashed.

Seriously, THIS is already the Platinum difficulty!

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 12 juillet 2012 - 09:39 .


#44649
TJBartlemus

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UltimateTobi wrote...
This made me cry, honestly:


The Extended Cut poster is so misleading. Everyone expected some big action ending add on from that picture. Nope. The poster would have been cool for the original cover of ME3 though. It has all the squadmates on the poster too, so does that mean no new permanent squad mates? :huh:

Modifié par TJBartlemus, 12 juillet 2012 - 09:38 .


#44650
UltimateTobi

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masster blaster wrote...

Destroy is the only way we can have a future of a self non Reaper's causing conflict. Plus the Reapers are just prepulsing.

A future where my Shepard can live with Tali on Rannoch... <3